why even bother making a new thread, it's just gonna be dogshit again

>>108074985
>Not Packt and not a Jeet.

How is that book?

>>108074998
>it's just gonna be dogshit again
Well yeah, you showed up.

How do I stop distrohopping?

I’ve been using Ubuntu for a while.
I switched to it after having autism about mint and other Distros displaying screen tearing when scrolling up, down, or dragging a window across the screen a while ago.

What was causing that to begin with?

I want to know because I plan to distrohop again.

I think I’m retarded lads.
When I see something has Linux support it seems to show Ubuntu as a mention.
Does this mean it was only tested on ubuntu and is therefore mostly compatible with Ubuntu or if it is compatible with Ubuntu it will most likely be compatible with arch/fedora too?

>>108075139
Realize that all distros are basically the same

>>108075139
You should be DE hopping instead

>>108075192
Most programs if they decide to support linux, choose to only support Ubuntu, sometimes even only supporting the Ubuntu LTS branch, to make it as easy as possible to make one program and not have to worry about changes and updoots for 10 years, for example Steam only supports Ubuntu officially, there's also odd programs that might only support a very specifix linux distro like Davinci Resolve only officially support Rocky Linux for some reason. If a program is available in your distro's repos, say in fedora as rpm, or in arch with pacman you can get them but it'll probably be unofficial but still work, or you could search for an unofficial flatpak or snap too if your distro supports those and run them fine too. But usually if stuff is made "for ubuntu", it's just a .deb package that should in theory run on anything based on ubuntu, and in most cases on anything based on debian, but don't take it for granted.

>/tg/fag here
I plan to do 3d printing.
What’s the fastest just works stl file viewer? Preferably just a double click and it loads up the stl.
Also what’s the best Linux compatible 3d printed related stuff for anybody that 3d prints little minis on a linux machine?

>>108074998
You're probably the cause of the dogshitting.

>>108075367
>Davinci Resolve only officially support Rocky Linux for some reason.
It used to only support centos back before it got fucked over by rhel the first time.

>>108075192
It means it was built for ubuntu or built statically and just packaged for ubuntu beacuse they dont know how or didnt bother packaging for anything else.
> it will most likely be compatible with arch/fedora too?
Most likely will be compatible with other distros since its happened before with chrome/spotify/skype/discord

>>108075404
I use ultimaker cura but the appimage is broken in any distro newer than debian bookworm.

>>108075168
Use a distro with Wayland and it won't screen tear

>>108075168
There are several ways to solve screen tearing, I was having such major issues with it when I first switched to Linux I wish someone explained to me how it works:

So first, we have the display server, like Xorg or Wayland. Xorg has an option called "TearFree" which prevents screen tearing but it's not enabled by default. If you are using modesetting driver (default driver for Intel Graphics) then you don't have the TearFree option, however it is present in Xlibre and unlike Xorg it's enabled by default there. Wayland is supposed to not have screen tearing but I personally experienced screen tearing with it in my early days of using Linux, haven't used it since.

The other solution, which works regardless of the TearFree option on X11, is to use a compositor, e.g. picom, and configure it to have vsync enabled.

>>108075139
Install Gentoo

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>>108075139
You don't

Why did Manjoro shit the bed? When researching distros a decade ago it was a decent choice if EndeavourOS wasn’t your thing.

Finally settled for Fedora for my man PC, but I’m torn on which one I should pick for a laptop. Tired of everyone saying Mint and can’t figure out what’s so special about NixOS. Might go with CachyOS, idk.

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Third month using Fedora. It's amazing how it just werks

>>108075985
Just use fedora on your laptop as well, why would you need to use a different distro?
>Why did Manjoro shit the bed?
It's always been a mess but the major reason is probably pamac always breaking and poor management of the distro by the devs.

>>108075985
>Tired of everyone saying Mint
It's just one troll/schizo here who shills Mint and shits on actual good distros so that people have a bad Linux experience and go back to Windows.

>>108076064
>It's just one troll/schizo here who shills Mint
nu-uhh! We are legon

>>108075992
15 months using CachyOS, It's amazing how it just werks :^)

>>108075985
Exposing noobs to the AUR was never a good thing

>>108075992
>>108076089
5 years using Debian btw :)

>>108076121
>3 year old packages :Wilted Flower Emoji: :Skull Emoji:

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>>108074985
Interesing book, thanks.

>Mint KDE
>LMDE XFCE/LXQT
If these two existed, Mint would be 100% better.

>>108075992
>>108076044
gtfo redhat won't pay you jeets

>>108076184
The only purpose of LMDE is providing the Cinnamon desktop. I don't see a reason why you'd run LMDE Xfce instead of Debian Xfce.

>>108075985
I'm no expert but manjaro was the go-to when you thought arch was too difficult to get into but wanted arch anyway right? considering how easy it is these days to get into arch I imagine it just fell out of favor, especially with how often they've fucked up pretty bad in the past and the rise of better alternatives (cachyos), manjaro just had a slow death

>>108076489
manjaro was never the go-to, ever

>>108076064
Really? Because all i've seen is one troll/schizo obsessed with shilling ublue memeshit every thread while shitting on everything else so that people have a bad linux experience and go back to windows.

is there a distro that's better than the others when it comes to retrogaming?

>>108076184
Wouldn't be surprised if mint brings back KDE one day.

>>108076210
They don't do it for the rupees, they do it for the izzat.

>>108076139
Seems that anon being happy on Debian makes you seethe and sneed for some bizzare reason.

>>108076489
It used to be manjaro and antergos but then antergos disbanded.

>>108076542
Batocera if you want it to act like a console.

>>108075139
Occupy your time with something else and realize you cant be bothered investing time to keep up and maintain arch or gentoo so you settle with something that just werks and doesn't require much maintenance like debian or fedora.

>>108071656
Reposting from last bread.
Pulse audio can't recognize my microphone. "pactl list sources" gives, among other things, the following ports:

Ports:
        analog-input-internal-mic: Internal Microphone (type: Mic, priority: 8900, not available)
        analog-input-dock-mic: Dock Microphone (type: Mic, priority: 7800, not available)
        analog-input-mic: Microphone (type: Mic, priority: 8700, available)
    Active Port: analog-input-mic

The mic should be on analog-input-dock-mic. When trying the GUI pavucontrol, that's the input corresponding to me tapping on the mic. The others either pick up sounds all the time, max input (the case for analog-input-mic, which I think also picks up on desktop sound, but it's hard to tell since it's always picking up something) or don't pick up anything at all, at any time (analogi-input-internal-mic).
Or all of this is working as intended. I'm really just trying to get the bloody mic to work on floorp here, that doesn't work at all and it's the real problem I'm trying to fix here.

>>108076601
And as a daily drive for other tasks?

>>108076671
Just use whatever you want.

is there a beat maker for linux? does not have to be fancy or even good just has to be able to make a basic beat i want to make an album making fun out of kid rock and he has NEVER had a good beat

I've used linux for years now, but I never dived in particularly deep. What's the best way to actually learn how everything works? Just jump straight into linux from scratch?

I'm trying to build a RAID5 array with mdadm on a Debian 12 install as part of a project for a personal media server. This is my first experience in a Linux environment in a long time so please understand I'm functionally retarded and information/details might not be accurate. I'd gone through creating the array, had moved data, everything looked good, then after a reboot my disk order got all fucked up (IE sde became sdc) and 2/4 of my drives had partitions written over top of the superblocks essentially killed my array since I can't reassemble the array while missing 2 disks. That's fine, I still have the data and the old drives aren't dead yet so all I've lost is some time at this point.

I'm rebuilding my array through mdadm but I wan to ensure that that the array survives reboots like that by locking the array to UUIDs of the drives instead of their sd* assignments. Is it as simple as using the below command or am I missing way off base?

sudo mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=5 --raid-devices=4 UUID=wwwwwwww UUID=xxxxxxxx UUID=yyyyyyy UUID=zzzzzzzzz

>>108076044
>Just use fedora on your laptop as well, why would you need to use a different distro?
Because I wanna ~diversify~ my user experience and find a distro that fits my needs. Which are:
>CAD and video editing based work
>some vidya that runs with high end PS3 tier graphics at most
>honestly tho, the whole gaming aspect is a hold off until I slowly assemble the overpriced PC parts

>It's always been a mess but the major reason is probably pamac always breaking and poor management of the distro by the devs.
Always was curious why the devs stuck pamac when pacman was the safer option. Thought they’d get their heads out of their asses and truly be baby proof Arch.

>>108076064
Mint is shilled to every Windows refugee if Ubuntu or Debian are ignored.

>>108076489
Manjaro had some potential for being an entry level Arch based distro, but the devs kept being so fucking dumb. EndeavourOS is the closest you’ll get to that concept. CachyOS also seems comparable.

Someone explain NixOS’ gimmick to me.

>>108076800
i haven't used mdadm in a long time, but you shouldn't have to specify uuid's when creating an array, nor should it matter if the kernel names (sda/sdb/etc) change across reboots
>after a reboot my disk order got all fucked up (IE sde became sdc) and 2/4 of my drives had partitions written over top of the superblocks
this doesn't just happen, what wrote partitions to those drives?

I've used both CachyOS and EndeavourOS for a bit, and I'm struggling to think of anything that makes them distinct from each other.
What exactly are the differences between these two distros?

>>108076860
they're basically the same thing, but cachy has some premade tweaks for gaming performance

>>108076856
>you shouldn't have to specify uuid's when creating an array, nor should it matter if the kernel names (sda/sdb/etc) change across reboots
That's what it seemed like from the resources I've found. The biggest thing many of those mentioned was making sure you use the array's UUID when adding its entry to the fstab

>this doesn't just happen, what wrote partitions to those drives?
Honestly, no fucking clue. When I started investigating, I found that two of the drives had new partitions on them after the reboot. It seemed like something in the OS trying to be helpful during a boot (IE mounting "new" drives) but I have no idea. My sda and sdc drives suddenly had sda1/sdc1 partitions. I'm running Debian 12 with Cinnamon as the desktop environment if that helps. I can switch back to GNOME if it's possible something with Cinnamon is being weird, I just preferred that desktop environment better.

Starting my journey to pass the RHCSA EX200 exam . RHEL 10 installed in VMware , minimal server , and starting with the basics . Wish me luck, ive heard is not an easy exam.

>>108076542
Anything that can run RetroArch. If you want the pixel aesthetic or something just rice your selected distro to death.

>>108076948
>The biggest thing many of those mentioned was making sure you use the array's UUID when adding its entry to the fstab
yea, because you're mounting the /dev/md# device, not any particular member device. the md# (usually md0 or md127) is assembled automatically by mdadm on boot by looking for superblocks on any device (assuming you have mdadm set up correctly)
>Honestly, no fucking clue.
i can't think of any software which automatically creates partitions like that, but i have heard some people recommend using a partition for the raid volume rather than the raw device (i.e. make "sda1" and specify that when using mdadm create, rather than "sda"). this'll prevent any software from mistakingly believing the drive is "empty" (devoid of partitions)
only place i've seen this be a concern is if the drive is seen in windows, where it may pop up asking to "initialise" drives it doesn't understand, which if you accept it will create a new partition table on the drive, potentially breaking what's on it

>>108075139
Sell off your computer since you clearly don't actually need it to do anything useful.

>>108076841
>Always was curious why the devs stuck pamac when pacman was the safer option.
Pamac is just a graphical frontend for pacman which was also notorious for constantly ddossing the aur.
>Someone explain NixOS’ gimmick to me.
Everything is declared in a config file and its package manager is similar to flatpak with multiple runtimes.

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>>108076841

Code as Infrastructure for a SystemD GNU Linux operating system created by a butchman in 2003 and endorsed by the US Department of Defense. Currently used by a Thiel related Defense manufacturer located in Ohio.

Is only recommended to use it if you work for NATO/NATO Allies and you operate in disputed space. If this is not your particular case, avoid it.

>>108077024
>yea, because you're mounting the /dev/md# device, not any particular member device.
Right, which is how I had it configured. I'm just not sure what caused my disks to get rearranged. I lowkey suspect that my hardware is a little shitty and there's a delay for the drives checking in during boot

>i have heard some people recommend using a partition for the raid volume rather than the raw device
I saw that recommendation too as I was researching trying to fix the array before giving up and saying "fuck it, I'll rebuild". Maybe I'll do that this time and just make one giant partition so it can't get fucked with in the future. If I do that, I should just then modify the assembly config I posted earlier to use sda1/sdb1/etc. and then mdadm would presumably find those partitions during its boot process to assemble the array right?

>>108077081
>Everything is declared in a config file and its package manager is similar to flatpak with multiple runtimes.
Okay, now I get it; should’ve figured it by the Nix name. I’ll stick with flatpak for my simple needs.

>>108077111
Why is it more appealing to those in defense? If it’s security, surely Qubes OS and Whonix are far better options. You could be extra psychotic and run NixOS in Qubes thru virtualization.

>>108077207
I think that anon made up the whole defense thing since nixos has nothing to do with defense or nato

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>>108074985
Recommend me linux book to become better at linux?

>>108074985
Is book pictured in the OP a good one?

>>108077291
Honestly, recent revelations to a certain island owner’s connections to micro transactions and this very website, I’m open to this notion. Especially if Thiel is mentioned.

I just wanna enjoy my FOSS in peace without some weird shit involved.

>>108077291
>>108077207

as far as I have researched, Nixos, alongside Red Hat, are the only two GNU Linux distributions with a DoD Security Technical Implementantion Guide.

>anduril nixos STIG V1R1
https://ncp.nist.gov/checklist/1260

>red hat 9 STIG
https://ncp.nist.gov/checklist/1072

>>108077207
>Why is it more appealing to those in defense?

Because the nix pipeline is being controlled by US elements just like MAVEN is controlled by the US Intelligence Community. The ANIX STIG is a great reference documentation to harden your infra. Being Open Source also makes it auditable. ANIX is the consolidated document to help to understand how burgers think about security, which is necessary in disputed space (wireless networking MiTM attempts, chinese hardware in your workspace, etc).

>>108077438
>Because the nix pipeline is being controlled by US elements
Basically all it comes down to. They want to use distributions based in the US that they can control. This somewhat limits their choices.

>>108077299
https://web.mit.edu/~simsong/www/ugh.pdf

>>108075992
I'm currently trying to see what happens if you don't update Fedora for a while on a laptop of mine. Arch shits the bed completely after a few months, I'm curious to see how Fedora holds up.
But yes, Fedora is my goto. I dislike the company and its users, but it's distro for me (sadly).

>>108077793

In theory (only in theory), if US projects are open source, the code is readable and auditable, which guarantees total and viable control over the machinery we own.

The only weak point is when we are forced to consume BLOBS, where the real culprits are the hardware manufacturers. As long as hardware manufacturers do not release redeable auditable open source firmware source code, there will always be a blind spot in everyone's infrastructure.

my debian 13 with kde has a random chance of killing itself and showing a black screen (keyboard seems to be working) after waking up from sleep, and I'm forced to hard shutdown my laptop to restart it
has this happened to someone else here and if so, how can I fix it? I really don't want to switch distros again :(

If a process is using more than half the available RAM does that mean it's impossible for that process to spawn children (assuming there is no SWAP)?

For example, if I have 8 GB of RAM, let's say 2GB is being used by all the background processes, that leaves 6GB of available RAM, then I launch a heavy process that uses 4GB of RAM, that leaves 2GB of RAM available. Now if that process wants to spawn threads, even if those threads don't use much RAM, it must fork itself then exec, but in doing so it must use use 4GB of additional RAM but this would cause the system to run out of memory.
On the other hand if linux had a syscall like windows that could spawn processes from binaries directly then this wouldn't happen.

Does Linux deal with this edge case or is this just an inherit limitation of forking+execing?

>>108076949
good luck, anomalous. try to have some fun with it.

>>108077956
Are you using Nvidia GPU for your screen? IIRC this issue is related to Nvidia drivers, follow the steps in the Wayland configuration here:
https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Wayland_configuration
Make sure that PreserveVideoMemoryAllocations is set to 1, I think that's what's causing the problem here.

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>fedora 43
>according to nvidia's page their gpu driver is at 580.126.09 or something
>looking at rpm fusion
>still 580.119.02-1 which is a bugged release
How long does it take for them to update this shitty repository? It's not that I immediately need a new driver (still on 580.095 which is really old), but would be nice to have an actually supported platform.

>>108078053
>Are you using Nvidia GPU for your screen?
I don't have a dedicated GPU, I think I only have integrated graphics (intel iris xe)

>>108077879
>I'm curious to see how Fedora holds up.
I updated Aurora after 5 months of no updates and it was fine. It survived a complete version bump with no issues.

>>108078069
>tainted
The fuck is that naming convention?

>>108078069
have you looked into negativo17?

had my arch dualboot running for about 5 years. just uninstalled windows, ama (be nice)

>>108078294
Yes, it only contains 580.119.02-1 too.

>>108078288
Proprietary kernel modules are "tainted" afaik.
Fedora trannies are afraid of proprietary software.

>>108078302
Nvidia's own repo goes up to 126, but they don't have a repo for fc43 yet, only fc42, so I don't know if it's a bad idea to try installing that

https://developer.download.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/repos/fedora42/x86_64/

>>108078325
I'll just wait. I was potentially hoping that they have incorporated those directx 12 fixes.
I don't need the new driver that much anyway, would be just good to have something.
This also made me thinking about switching distro- altough I have everything set up and it's lean and mean.
Might go to Debian and call it a day but maybe I'll wait before doing anything drastic. Yet.

>>108077976
Depends. Shared memory is a thing that exists. You can spawn threads that share memory with the parents but only use a small amount of memory themselves. At least if I understand things correctly this is possible.

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Do ppl here use gnome, and if so, do you use the standard setup or something like dashtopanel and that desktop icon addon?

I really like their app design but fuck me the whole "desktop shell" is retarded. When gnome wants to impress people they show pic related but idk when i would ever need an app switcher, a search bar and the dock at the same time. Also for a DE that hides the dock by default - and so displays the desktop front and center - it seems pretty dumb to not have desktop icons.

Having a disorganised cluttered desktop is aids, but - and maybe it's just me - but I like having the desktop as a "working space" for shit I'm currently working on. I save everything there, organise it visually, and when I'm done I save it into my external HDD.

Do you use gnome? What's your setup?

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I want to install linux side by side with my existing win11 install. I pretty much know how to do that, but I remember there being some settings one needs to do beforehand, because win11 will fuck up your linux install otherwise. Mightve been something in bios? I dont remember.
Anyone know what I'm talking about? I think it had to do with windows hibernation and it potentially overwriting stuff on your linux partition for some reason.

Thanks in advance for any help. Sorry I'm a retard but I remember that being a thing in win11 and I dont want to set up everything just for windows to bulldoze it a day later

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>>108078670
>Do you use gnome? What's your setup?
oh you reminded me had to update this box. had to remove and reinstall openbar but something still seems off, can't remember. yea gnome is useless without 4+ extensions.

>>108078750
Wangblows will fuck up your bootloader. Do not dual boot on the same drive, it will fuck shit up.

>>108078750
I think you're talking about the EFI partition which is formatted as FAT, windows can't write or read EXT4 partitions.
Just make sure to install grub in the EFI partition and make sure to not use the EFI removable media path (/boot/efi/EFI/BOOT) because it might mess up your windows boot manager.

You can check that GRUB is installed by going to /boot/efi/EFI and there should be a directory named GRUB or after your distro, e.g. /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu

Waybar is crashing for randomly for no reason, what gives? Doesn't happen often, maybe 4 times or so in the last month, I think.

I need a wallpaper util for wayland. All my wallpapers are png with the occasional jpg, nothing animated. Not having to write a script to change the wallpaper periodically is very much preferable.
I'm moving away from hyprpaper. Is swww a good option? It can change wallpapers during runtime but seems a bit resource intensive, don't know if it's worse than hypr.

>>108075445
>didnt bother packaging for anything else.

This is Linux's fault. I really don't think any of the attention around Linux is going to be permanent especially when large amounts of people see how shit it is as a software platform.

>>108079077
Go lurk UnixPorn sites and look up specific terms such as “animated/dynamic wallpapers Linux ricing”. Here’s some places to start, you’re on the right track
https://unixporn.github.io/
https://namishh.com/blog/ricing/

>>108079191
I don't care for fancy animations, I just don't want the same image all the time. Currently hyprpaper is set to change every 30 minutes, no fancy transitions or anything, just a simple image.

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>>108079077
>change wallpapers
oh neat my niri noctalia quickshell has that. never gonna use it.

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> * Last emerge --sync was 54d 22h 38m 52s ago.
>Total: 247 packages (156 upgrades, 21 new, 19 in new slots, 51 reinstalls, 1 uninstall), Size of downloads: 4672696 KiB
let's go boysss

Is there any advantage in installing Bazzite over Fedora and vice versa?
I'm a beginner and my usage is pretty straightforward, mostly gaming.
I heard a lot about Bazzite lately but apparently it's based on Fedora, wouldn't it be better to simply use the original OS?

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Are there any gauntlet cursors I can install or am I going to have to make one myself? Banana-cursor's great but doesn't quite match the theme of my tacky new start menu

>>108079252
My bad, the sources also have some wallpaper sites to use and I’m sure there’s a guide for revolving papes.

>I fucked my dual boot and replaced a configured and working Arch Linux partition with Fedora 43 because I was feeling like KDE was sluggish
>it feels the same on Fedora
>it's the animation when maximizing and minimizing windows
>it's only sometimes
why am I this retarded

>>108079517
Distrohopping is a mental illness. If you need to jump ship, test in a Live ISO first.

>>108079547
The funny thing is, I've never distrohopped. I've been an Arch user for pretty much 10 years now until last night.

>>108079345
Bazzite is Fedora KDE if every app...
>used double the RAM
>took up 6x the disk space
>took 6x longer to start up
>didn't work with your theme
>required you to tinker with permissions
Not to mention the long-term viability of Bazzite is questionable because they are constantly removing talented high-ranking developers and maintainers because absolutely everyone in the project is a god damn child who NEEDS to bicker and start stupid bullshit.

>>108079576
>>108079345
So to answer: Yes, it would be better to simply use Fedora KDE.

>>108076860
EndeavourOS is more like vanilla Arch with a graphical installer and KDE Live environment. It's not exactly the same, but it's close.
CachyOS is very different from vanilla Arch with extensive configuration changes.

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>>108074985
I’ve been using Ubuntu for over a decade.
I let it auto-update one (1) time and it installs some nvidia driver my 5090 doesn’t recognize, somehow uninstalls the driver for the WiFi adapter, and now I have to reinstall Ubuntu from usb.
First time anything a *nix system has done has lived up to the “Linux is free if you don’t value your time” meme.
/blogwhine

>>108076860
CachyOS has Btrfs snapshots preconfigured, which solves 99% of the issues people have with using Arch/Endeavour

>>108079576
>>108079578
Okay thanks a lot. I'll give Fedora a try when I have the time.

I have a command that gives lots of mumbo jumbo and, in between all of that, some file paths. I want to pass that command to grep and get as result just those file paths, who do I do that?

>>108079655
Can you figure out some pattern that differentiates the file paths from the mumbo jumbo? For example, does the mumbo jumbo never contain slashes, while file paths are guaranteed to have at least one slash?

>>108079661
All the files are in the home folder somewhere, so the path with always include "/home/anon/".

>>108077154
kernel names aren't expected to be consistent, as they're assigned first-come-first-serve. they aren't the same as say, dos (windows) drive letters

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>>108078815
no, i remembered what i was thinking of. disabling fast startup, hibernate etc on windows. i dont really need those anyways.

the next problem though is "secure boot". i wanted to install cachy, but for my windows install to remain fully usable, it needs secureboot enabled in BIOS, so you need to sign your linux shit. there's a page on doing that in the wiki, but it states at various points "you better know exactly what youre doing here or you could brick your mobo, also every mobo is different :)))" what a pain in the nutsack

so i can either play russian roulette with my mobo, or i have to turn secureboot on and off every time i boot into winblows

>>108079661
>>108079673
Figured it out.

Six months since switching from Windows to Fedora (initially GNOME but switched to XFCE for a lighter experience). Straight forward, no real issues for a 90% browsing setup and some light gaming (factorio).

Having a NAS made the switch fairly easy, I've not had to boot into Windows once. I'm glad i went with Fedora, most small issues or questions are a quick google away, 99% of the time someone else has had the issue. Any general linux questions have been explained by ChatGPT.

Only thing i've had to give up is suspend, i used to enjoy hitting the power button at the end of the day, then jiggling the mouse the next morning and picking up where i left off. I just can't get it working right, but saying that when i boot up every now and then the monitor seems to never wake up, a reset is required and it doesn’t happen again - not sure what's going on.

>>108080009
Sleep works just fine on Plasma, maybe Xfce hasn't implemented it.

>>108080009
Never cared for suspend/hibernate. First thing I do is put a drop-in file in /etc/systemd/sleep.conf.d to disable that shit. My computer starts up in 5 seconds.

I finally ripped the bandaid, wiped Windows, installed Fedora KDE, and my Nvidia drivers are set up. Barely done anything to it yet but it's night and day with Win11 these days

>>108080009
Suspend/sleep worked out of the box for me on arch. Hibernate took quite some fiddling but I eventually got it right by following the wiki (probably took as long as it did cause it was one of the first things I wanted to get set up, so I wasn't very used to linux by then).

Advice on running Ableton Live, or anything with the same functionality? All I need is a DAW that can do beatgridding and warping, but seemingly no FOSS product is capable of this.
Mint Cinnamon

>>108075992
I've been using Fedora for a month and yeah, I feel the same way. Sure I've come across couple of problems from the beginning but it was easy to fix.

>>108076210
People get paid to shill an awesome distro? Where do I sign up?

>>108080426
Codecs autism drives a lot of people away from Fedora.

Is KDE generally the best option for 4k and up monitors?

I’m still using gentoo. It’s crazy. I switched in 2017 and I’m still using it. It’s actually crazy how much has changed but also how much is still the same.

Does anyone here have experience with fscrypt on EXT4?
Never read about native file encryption in here, only block-level, and I'm wondering if it's as smooth as LUKS/cryptsetup.

Also, what the fuck is this captcha? No wonder this shithole's dead.

I'm having an odd issue and wondering if any of you have experienced something similar. I just bought a 9070xt for my HTPC which I casually game on. I moved the 6700xt I previously had into my other pc (gentoo, kernel 6.12.58, mesa 25.2.8). I figured I would use this PC to play CS2 as it is stupid to play a competitive FPS on my couch.
CS2 will start at around 200 FPS, and the FPS will slowly decrease as I continue to play. After the third game I usually hover around 60 fps. If I restart it is back to 200 for the first match and then slowly decreases. I'm playing at 1080p, high settings. I have tried tinkering with various settings to see if anything affects this with no luck. What is odd, when I used the same card to play CS2 on my other PC, which is running Arch, I got a stable 90FPS at 4k.
The only other game I play on my gentoo PC is the finals, which is a stable 90 fps.

oh the memory leak in cosmic seems to be fixed

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A KDE innovation solved immutable distros:

https://blog.lasath.org/2026/02/kapsule-completing-kde-linux.html

if ram prices are going to keep up, is everyone going to end up in distros like puppy linux where you can boot up in ram

>>108080467
It takes 5 minutes to click buttons on the RPMFusion website and you never have to worry about it again. If that's a dealbreaker, use Ultramarine Linux.

>>108076560
>>108076184
Mint used to have a Plasma Edition but they got rid of it because it was more popular than the Cinnamon Edition lmao

>be me
>use my homelab server to game with vfio gpu passthrough
>reboot to a windows ssd i have for games with anti-cheat that block VMs
>play game with friends
>hours later
>the only disk readable to windows is it's own
>pc is idle, windows is just open at the desktop
>i hear from my bed the 4tb data disk (encrypted with luks) start spinning
bros...

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As someone who used Mint, Debian, and Mint again, would Slackware be something to try out, for mostly fun and maybe learn a lil' more about Linux? If so, could I get away with running XP-era games on it, using a used Dell Optiplex with:
>Core 2 Duo E8400
>Radeon HD 7750
>4GB DDR2

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Okay so I have two questions. I'm planning on moving tmy desktop o linux because I'm tired of glowniggers constantly watching what I do. I've narrowed down potential distros to the following 4
>zorin os (currently using this with my laptop)
>pop os (currently using on a different laptop)
>cachy os
>nobara linux
My priorities from highest to lowest
>general computer use
>gaming
>stable diffusion
The next question I'm sure I already know the answer to but I feel like I should ask out of an abundance of caution. I've tried many distros over the years on a variety of laptops. I have two internal HDDs in my computer. Am I right in assuming that as long as I don't touch them during the installation process they'll be as I left them after install? I have a jellyfin server that I really don't want to rebuild.

>>108080759
asked and received

>>108080773
Nobara is an absolute clusterfuck. Discover doesn't work on it and even running

dnf update

can break your system. Instead you have to install packages from the extremely cumbersome and slow "Nobara Package Manager" whose interface is so clunky and spartan that it makes Aptitude/dnfdragora/octopi look like Discover...and then UPDATING is a whole other matter as the "Nobara Package Manager" doesn't even install updates; you need to use a separate updating tool which is extremely, EXTREMELY fucking slow and takes minutes just to check for updates and install one small package, all without an ETA or progress meter. But hey, at least it comes with TWO programs for installing Flatpaks

Nobara promises to save you 5 minutes of time over regular Fedora by preinstalling codecs and NVIDIA drivers, but it will actually waste hours and hours of your time in the long-term by being such a piece of shit. Just use Fedora (or Ultramarine).

>>108074985
Whats the advantage of popos over stuff like mint or ubuntu, why is it shilled by/for gaymers

>>108080810
>>108080810
Thanks for the advice. I had heard some pretty mixed things on it and was hoping to get some greater insight. The problems you've listed have completely taken nobara out of my potential options.

>>108080810
>Ultramarine
I've never heard of this one. Can I get a QRD

>>108080866
Ultramarine is a 3rd party Fedora fork that comes with the RPMFusion and Terra repos pre-enabled, codecs preinstalled, and NVIDIA drivers preinstalled (if you connect to the internet during the OS installation).

i cant get the cursor theme on the sddm login screen to change
anyone else has this issue?
doesnt matter how many times i apply the settings on the plasma settings app, the cursor stays the same

>>108080985
It’s been a year since I set it up but I remember having to type the cursor theme name in a config file somewhere. Can’t remember where.

>>108080985
>apply the settings on the plasma settings app
As in you clicked "Apply Plasma Settings..." in the SDDM settings?

I'm a macfag that is planning to fully move to linux after both apple and microsoft shat the bed software-wise. How do those with jobs who depend on some program not available on linux deal with it without causing trouble? I already use WINE on some games, but since my job requires stuff only available on windows (including ancient programs and even MS Office since most of the clients and the authorities we deal with are too retarded to deviate from microsoft's "standards") I don't want to risk having bugs in WINE and compatibility issues in alternative software. Is running windows in a VM the best option in this case or should I keep it in a separate partition despite my constant disgust for it?

>>108081083
just keep it as a dual boot, don't risk ruining your employment over fucking OS autism

>>108081083
You could actually get a separate machine for work and let that be as it is. Of course that's wasteful but if you aren't doing cutting edge simulations or cad or graphics for living, a cheap (used) office box will do just fine.

>>108077976
>in doing so it must use use 4GB of additional RAM
why?

>>108081083
MS office and old software are bound to run just fine inside a virtual machine, no?

>>108079355
you can convert windows cursors to x cursors if need be

>>108080490
gentoo is the ultimate distro-hopping killer
don't like wayland? -wayland
don't like systemd? -systemd
binaries built for your cpu? -march=native
don't care? binary packages
want to enable uncommon features? +USE
want to disable features you don't like/want? -USE
third party packages? overlays
found a cool patch you want to use? just drop it in a folder and it'll get used each time you install/update the program
etc, etc
basically gentoo can just be turned into any distro you like, you can pick the things you like out of any of them. like i like systemd as an init, but i don't use most of the rest of it's features, so i build it with much of its' features excluded

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>>108081254
gentoofags are truly insufferable

>>108081032
yes

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>>108081273
Have fun with your outdated distro.

>>108081083
My Windows work OS is in a virtual machine. If anything VMs seem to be the industry standard since most tech companies I've seen either force you into using a Windows/Linux VM or highly recommend it.

>>108078355
>Might go to Debian
Since you're on Fedora, consider Alma.

Man, I was just thinking about downloading Linux today! I am willing to learn lots of stuff I just want something that can run most software and games.

is the new wine wow64 support decent now? (no multilib). it's save me a ton of 32bit builds if i just didn't need 32bit wine

>>108081693
What's the best slow-paced dnf distro to use as a desktop OS?

>>108081706
Probably Fedora but use the previous supported release.

>>108081719
Fedora isn't slow-paced; it pushes updates every day.

>>108081083
work is done on machines given by the employer. Putting work data on a personal machine would get me into trouble.

>>108081726
That's why I said the previous version. It gets less updates compared to the latest version.

>>108081745
When I press "Update" in Discover it will just update me to Fedora 43.

>>108081748
Sounds like a bug in Discover, it should ideally ask you because the previous version isn't EOL yet. They support two versions at any one time and often people recommend against updating immediately and to stick on the older version.

You can always update using the command line. I don't think that will force an OS upgrade on you.

>>108081753
>Sounds like a bug in Discover
No it isn't, because pressing "update" is supposed to bring your computer up to date. If you want updates to be rare then you should go with Debian.

>>108081762
Updating packages != Updating OS. If you just

dnf update

it will never upgrade to a new OS for you. There's a separate Dnf plugin for that.

>>108081767
I don't want to use a terminal. I just want to click the pretty button and Debian accommodates that. I also don't want unnecessary updates, and Debian accommodates that as well.

>>108081773
Then you probably want one of the RHEL clones like Almalinux but don't complain if it's too stale to support your hardware.

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Should I just avoid using flatpak if possible and stick with APT? (I'm on Debian)
Of course, I've heard that you shouldn't be mixing package managers because it can cause dependency issues and double installs and that sort of stuff,
but I kept seeing people say that using Flatpak with your default Package Manager was ok and normal.
Well, I installed Steam through Flatpak and its been kind of a headache the past few days. I can't even make a second Steam Library in my other drives because Flatpak is a sandbox so Steam Flatpak doesn't really have access to my other drives, right?
I ended up uninstalling Steam Flatpak and just going on the Steam Website and downloading the .deb and installing that.
Now I am able to make Steam Librarys away from my boot drive, which is what I wanted from the start.
Was I just being noobish, I am a noob. It just seems like Flatpak has been giving me trouble so far, I keep needing to look for the "Flatpak" version of things.

>>108081778
>Then you probably want one of the RHEL clones like Almalinux
Apparently Rocky Linux doesn't support KDE Plasma at all. Dunno about Alma.

>>108081792
Rocky doesn't support it because it's not in RHEL (it is in EPEL though). Alma does though, they package it themselves. Alma is basically a RHEL-like clone but less shit. They also support BTRFS too, etc.

>>108081792
Rocky has a KDE Live ISO: https://dl.rockylinux.org/pub/rocky/10/live/x86_64/Rocky-10-KDE-x86_64-latest.iso

>>108081780
you can install flatseal in order to easily give the steam flatpak access to other drives

>>108081804
I actually tried that but it just made Steam stop opening properly.
I probably just did something wrong because I only tried using flatseal to fix a problem with a specific game.
If I set it up more generally it probably would have worked...

>>108081706
There's not that much difference between the RHEL-compatible distros, but I hear Alma is the go-to these days, since they re-enable a lot of things that Red Hat doesn't want to support and now also include Nvidia-open drivers on their native repos.

>>108081844
I just looked through the Rocky and Alma repos and they don't have any of the apps I want. They're not in EPEL either.

>>108081846
rpmfusion?

>>108081849
Not there either. The apps I want to use are already in the Fedora repo (and the Debian repo).

>>108081846
>>108081853
also keep in mind that third party el10 repos will lag a bit in terms of availability. if you want a better idea of what will be available in the near future, look through the el9 repos.

but yes, some things will simply not be there, at which point you'd have to either rebuild the Fedora packages or use Flatpak or something.

>>108081853
Mind naming some?

>>108081846
If your apps aren't packaged as a Flatpak or AppImage then you can forget about it. There's probably no slow moving Dnf based distribution that also packages most desktop apps you want and also doesn't require terminal usage.

>>108081864
Gimp
Firefox non-ESR
>>108081869
Flatpaks are bloat

What are the advantages of being able to execute programs in an isolated area?

>>108081876
>Flatpaks are bloat
That's the whole point! You can't run a slow moving out-of-date Linux distribution whilst also expecting to run up-to-date applications that depend on newer versions of libraries. You need that "bloat" to provide the libraries your distro lacks.

>>108081884
Debian lets you run a slow moving distro that has software availability though.

>>108081888
Debian doesn't package non-ESR firefox either.

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>>108081891
Sure, but at least a .deb repo for it exists. No such thing exists for RHEL clones.

>>108081895
They have an RPM repo too, retard.
https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2026/01/19/introducing-mozillas-firefox-nightly-rpm-package-for-rpm-based-linux-distributions/

>>108081901
>nightly
Fuck that noise.

>>108081891
It does. Just not for Stable
>For me, it's TUM
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable

>>108081876
>Gimp
Looks like it's not yet available on el10, give it a few months before upgrading to it.
>Firefox non-ESR
If you don't want the nightly, there's also plenty of non-Mozilla forks you can use instead.

>>108081910
>>108081905
Or just unpack the tarball into your home folder somewhere and it will update itself.

>>108081924
>it will update itself
Not through Discover tho. I just want to click the button to update everything and Debian accommodates this.

>>108081928
Yes, through the browser itself. You can check for updates manually from within it but it will automatically download them for you no button press required.

>>108081924
>just unpack the tarball
how about nope?

>>108081936
Why not? It just works and updates itself and even makes a .desktop file for you so it shows up as a default browser.

>>108081928
just use windows

>i don't want the ESR
>i don't want the Nightly
>i don't want the Flatpak
>i don't want the tarball
>i don't want the fork

>>108081950
oh and apparently
>i don't want the command line

>>108081935
But to make the Firefox tarball usable for all users I need to untar it to like /opt, but that also means I can't update it unless I run

sudo firefox

, which is retarded. I could get around that by doing some chmod shit to the Firefox subdirectory so that it's writable by all users, but that would be even more retarded. Meanwhile installing the apt repository on Debian just werks.
>>108081948
I've already outlined that Debian works, and yet you tell me to use Windows?

>>108081959
Or you could just leave it to each individual user to decide for themselves whether they want to use Firefox ESR or not rather than making decisions for them.

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>>108081804
>>108081843
Ok anon I completely purged the .deb version of Steam from my system and installed the Flatpak version again.
I was successfully able to point the Flatpak version of Steam towards my other drives' library folders with Flatseal this time!
Now I can keep my boot drive clean.

>>108081965
I don't want the ESR version taking space on the computer and I know for a fact that 99% of people, including anybody using this machine, do not want to use the ESR version.

>>108082021
How do you know that? Did you poll them all. Most people probably want Chrome and there's an RPM for that.

>>108082027
>How do you know that? Did you poll them all.
you are going to autistic lengths to keep arguing with this guy about what he should do with his computer

>>108082047
I'm not sure he even knows what he wants:
>>108081950

>>108082055
I want a normal ass Firefox that I can update through Discover. That's one of the reasons Debian is better for a desktop daily driver than RHEL clones.

>>108082027
>How do you know that?
Because I know who uses this computer? In this house we use Firefox. Thanks for reminding me to block Chrome from being installed btw

>>108081780
>Should I just avoid using flatpak if possible and stick with APT? (I'm on Debian)
The opposite

>>108082060
So use Debian then. There's probably no slow-moving RPM distro that will satisfy you.

>>108081888
>software availability
From 2 years ago. People don't want outdated software delivered by unrelated nobodies. Flatpak fixes this issue plus several other issues Linux package management has.
System package managers are primarily for updating the core OS, not user applications.

>>108082080
>From 2 years ago
I'd rather have software from 2 years ago than no software at all
>Flatpak fixes this issue
It doesn't fix bloat
>System package managers are primarily for updating the core OS, not user applications
This is retarded. Go back to your container cloud native IT faggot wank subreddit.

>>108082083
Only software developers can fix the "bloat". If an app has a dependency on $THING then you need $THING. There's no getting around that. Flatpak can do cute tricks like dedup to try to share space utilisation as much as possible but ultimately it is the software developers responsibility to fix this "bloat". If it needs a dependency then you have no option but to ship that dependency as part of the runtime to make it work.

Even with backports on Debian there are limitations because at some point you'd end up having to update half your operating system to testing or unstable depending on the dependency chain.

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To be fair, slow-moving RPM distros have always been the contrarian choice when it comes to software availability. I'm willing to make that compromise, but I get that not everyone would. I still don't have Flatpak installed.

recommended audio player? don't say mpv or vlc and it must use gpl2 or later

>>108082198
>it must use gpl2 or later
lmao why?

>>108082198
cmus

>>108082209
because i want that

>>108082230
you already said that. but *why* do you want that? i want to try to understand your reasoning

>>108082211
thanks
>>108082238
i am not answering you

>>108082246
that's cool, i'll just keep the existing caricature of you in my head instead.

>>108082083
>It doesn't fix bloat
Nothing fixes "bloat" because software developers don't give a fuck about your hard disk losing a couple of MB or a couple hundred MB of space. "Bloat" is a completely unfixable problem because the only way to fix it is to have all software developers work under the same roof, with the same frameworks, dependencies and build systems and targeting the same 1 OS. This is impossible to achieve in the real world because the world isn't some fantasy land where you're the dictator telling developers how they should do their job and giving them access to infinite time and resources.
Electron runtimes are not shared between applications, Unity/Unreal/GM/etc. engine runtimes are not shared between games, WINE prefixes are not shared in most people's setups, web frameworks are not shared between websites you visit. This doesn't even account for smaller libraries which are often bundled with software you use, or even code duplication and people reinventing the wheel. And it doesn't even account for various debugging and telemetry libraries plastered all around the software most people commonly use, dead code, etc.
If you actually cared about "dependency bloat" you wouldn't even use Debian and you wouldn't even use a web browser capable of posting here. And most people, as in we can easily say 99% of people, clearly don't care about duplicated dependencies and larger application sizes if it means their software works as intended.

Worrying about this fake "bloat" (multiple versions of dependencies or runtimes) is a pointless slippery slope and makes you either disingenuous or completely clueless. So choose if you're shitposting or actually have no idea what you're talking about.

>>108082198
cmus if you want something terminal based.
Audacious or Deadbeef if you want a GUI.

Is solusos good? Is there a specific point or drawbacks to it? I just want a tardfriendly and stable rolling distro because mint has been failing me

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>>108081693
This is what big companies are using. CentOS is deprecated now as it is discontinued, but otherwise seems like Rocky and Alma are the biggest ones. So everything is more or less redhat based.
I think I would still get Debian if I'll distrohop but let's see now.

>>108082405
CentOS stream still exists but that's too fast, he wants something slow moving that also still somehow has modern software. That doesn't exist.

Zorin or Mint?

>>108082412
Are you retarded?

>>108082421
No. I'm not saying you should use it, it's a rolling beta for RHEL.

>>108082417
I'd rather shoot myself than use either. Just use anything with KDE Plasma if you're coming from Windows.

>>108082412
>>108082429
For fuck sake learn how to read these threads. My reply is following my own fucking reply/answer chain.
Don't talk for "me" because you don't have any fucking clue in the first place.

>>108082440
Apologies, I may have mistaken you for a different poster. In that case then maybe CentOS Stream would be fine for you, it depends what you want.

Debian, like the other guy recommended is probably more up-to-date though.

>>108082405
I don't see why this should affect your distro choice in any way, especially with regards to which flavour of RHEL you should use.

What should I do before installing Linux?

>>108082538
Pray to god

>>108082538
backup your data somewhere else

I only realised this recently but it's really fucking funny to me how the most popular linux distro across the last two decades has been linux mint, a milquetoast dusty looking windowsesque thing that excels at nothing. It's like the AK47 of linux distros, it just works, it's simple, and keeps chugging on in the top five as other flavor of the month distros rise, fade and eventually become unsupported.

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What's the difference between all of these?

>>108079291
7h 28m total, not bad.

>>108082758
Tumbleweed is the version you should be using as its their rolling desktop release. Leap is the LTS version, Leap Micro is a host OS made to run containers and such, Micro is an immutable version of Tumbleweed.

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Alright guys I updated my distro guide for Windows users.

>>108082538
if you have nvidia ignore everyone else and just use linux mint

Why can't you play games with anticheat on Linux desktop? Isn't it open source?
>Linux doesn't allow ring 0 software
Why doesn't it as long as it shows the risks and the user understands it?

I get it that it sucks, but it's not like Linux desktop is short in options for destroying your own system.

>>108082796
Strange butthurt towards opensuse and mint.
Debian KDE is shit, too. And I say this as someone who used KDE neon unironically.

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>>108082834
>if you have NVIDIA use the distro that doesn't support NVIDIA Wayland functionality

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>>108082796
These kinds of questions show the graph is not genuine. No one "likes" high usage, and this is certainly not a main topic for windows users. This is reddit tier passive aggressiveness. A better question would be if you care about high ram usage or not (because maybe he has high ram capacity in his computer).

It's like you are incapable of getting into other's shoes.

>>108082841
The only anti-cheat software that can work properly on Linux is Easy Anti-Cheat, but only if the dev specifically enables an option for it. Some do, some don't/forget.

>>108078312
They're only afraid of software patents related to h264 they dont give a shit about proprietary software.

>>108082863
It's almost like the graph is advising new users to steer clear of bad distributions

>>108082851
wayland is still a meme for nvidia sorry bro

>>108082864
And no option has been made after these years?

>>108079102
It would be solved with just someone creating a program or script that can automate packaging a program for multiple package managers at a time (rpm, deb, tar.zstd or whatever arch uses)

>>108082878
And X11 is still nonexistent for what people actually need their screens to do

>>108082796
It's still utterly filled with bias, which I guess is the point.

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>>108082876
That kind of lingo pushes new people off and feeds on the narrative that Linux users are asshats trapped into their own bubbles.

you guys dont have sex

>>108082846
>Strange butthurt towards opensuse and mint
It's just giving people realistic expectations about those distros. The packman repos are not updated simultaneously with the main repos, and Mint's file manager does not have context menus for internal drives.

>>108079576
Not to mention bazzite is run by microsoft devs.

>>108082890
my screen plays my games though without crashing?

>>108082928
Because you have a monitor from 2012?

>>108080748
Yeah that was back when kde was still on kde 4

>>108082733
Because people don't care about stupid shit like 1-2% difference of ram usage if they can't use the programs they need.

An OS is mainly for using programs and the computer. If it can't do that or it takes 100 pre configs instead of on the go, then it's useless.

See pic related. If I want a car for it's main purpose (driving) then it's useless and I have to waste time to mount it that I don't have or I don't want to waste or maybe I don't know how.

This is Linux desktop. Until Linux devs understand this, nothing will change. And the decades we experienced tell me things will not change anytime soon.

>>108082930
running my 2025 mini led 320hz monitor just fine :)

>>108082796
this is funny ignore the butthurt autists

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>>108082937

>>108080880
So ultramarine is just regular non-immutable fedora with better defaults ootb? (except terra, dunno what that is.) Do they use upstream fedora dnf repos or their own?

>>108082902
Right now I'm dropping a deuce before I'll take a shower and then take my wife (female) to bed for a nice Saturday afternoon fuck.
Checkmate haters

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>>108082901
Fine then

>>108082949
Yeah it still uses the upstream Fedora repos. It's pretty much a Fedora post-install script, to the point that they DID make a Fedora post-install script to turn any Fedora install into Ultramarine.

>>108082904
opensuse has had h.264 codecs in its main repos for a few years now. the main beef is the linus one, needing to input a password for wifi.
fedora also has strange defaults. I get that it's developer-centric, but developers can turn zram on on their own, zswap is otherwise a saner default.
outside of some real oddballs, every linux distro has dumb quirks.

>>108081780
You should use flatpak or apt on a package by package basis depending on your usecase.
>Well, I installed Steam through Flatpak and its been kind of a headache the past few days. I can't even make a second Steam Library in my other drives because Flatpak is a sandbox so Steam Flatpak doesn't really have access to my other drives, right?
Stuff like this is why flatpak isn't the solution to everything and the unhealthy obsession with sandboxing everything can backfire.

>>108082967
>zswap is otherwise a saner default
Absolutely not. Not only does it increase wear on your SSD, drive access is also a logistical bottleneck.

>>108081804
I think flatpak has cross-filesystem issues mainly to do with symlinks.

>>108082964
Ultramarine should be recommended more then if its able to be fedora while also solving the issues with fedora.

>>108082955
Let me ask you anon, what distro do you recommend as a windows like distro?

I don't like windows telemetry and forced options, but I sometimes need to use normie programs or I want to play games (example: adobe, league of legends).

I know many of those programs you say are spyware or force telemetry into your, but I still want the option to use them, at user usage risk.

I don't want to use the "insert adobe clone that works in Linux" I want to use Photoshop, dunno if you get me.

The "you are using the wrong programs" excuse many Linux users tell me doesn't cut it.

>>108082967
>needing to input a password for wifi.
Doesn't networkmanager let you set up wifi without having to put sudo/root password?

>>108082995
>adobe
>league of legends
Don't use linux

>>108082967
Isn't zwap enabled by default and works seamlessly on most distros?

>>108082976
it's the other way around anon, zswap compresses whatever goes to swap, reducing disk usage. it's a tradeoff of using compute time in order to reduce space used by swap.

>>108083011
>it's the other way around anon, zswap compresses whatever goes to swap
Anon, where is swap stored? Where? It's stored on disk. Every time you write to disk, you are wearing the disk down, whereas zram is stored entirely in RAM.

>>108082995
Just use mint or fedora/ultramarine kde.

>>108082930
I have a monitor from 2022 and it works fine on xorg.

>>108082417
Mint. I don't think anyone actually uses zorin.

>>108083019
Your HDR doesn't work, your VRR doesn't work, and your scaling doesn't work.

>>108082080
Instead of oudated software delivered by unrelated nobodies, you get software delivered by a centralized group of nobodies that fills up your disk 10 times as bigger as a regular package manager. Thanks flatpak.

>>108083028
>HDR
Snake oil that doesnt work on anything outside of bad tvslop and overpriced unfinished games.
>VRR
Works fine for me.
>scaling
Also works fine.

>>108083041
>Snake oil
Hahahahahahahaha
>Works fine for me
>Also works fine
Why do you tell lies that can be quickly and easily debunked?

>>108080677
So they basically settled on lxc like waydroid does? Interesting. Wonder how hard it would be to create something like distrobox but using lxc instead of podman without needing root permissions every time you want to enter the container.

>>108083045
>easily debunked
VRR works fine when using single monitor and displayport. Never had any issues with scaling.
HDR is snakeoil.

>>108083053
>VRR works fine when using single monitor and displayport
Only in exclusive fullscreen, which nothing uses.
>Never had any issues with scaling
What's your monitor's DPI?

>>108080740
>It takes 5 minutes to click buttons on the RPMFusion website and you never have to worry about it again.
Tell that to an average user. They wouldn't know where to find the rpmfusion website.

>>108083061
Well yeah, if it's a dealbreaker then they should use Ultramarine.

>>108080770
>would Slackware be something to try out
Maybe? It's a different experience to debian based distros since it cant handle package dependency and wants you to install a large amount of packages ootb. If you want to have a distro to learn more about linux just use arch.
>could I get away with running XP-era games on it
You can get away with it on any distro.

>>108083073
>You can get away with it on any distro
Wine has some overhead though, doesn't it?

>>108081083
>apple shat the bed software-wise
What did apple do?
>Is running windows in a VM the best option in this case
Depending on the software you can use something like winapps which tries to make it more integrated even though its just making an rdp connection to the VM.
There's also the regular gpu passthrough thing you can do instead of having to dual boot. The other anon's idea of just having a separate windows box is also not bad.

>>108083074
It really just depends on what you're trying to run but usually the overhead is not much.

>>108083014
Let's be realistic, most people don't have 64GB of RAM and beyond, they're going to have swap writes. Optimizing for SSD wear is also generally silly, 10GB daily writes to swap * 365 * 10 years = 5% of your drive's endurance, but regardless, zswap also helps there, now you can use your drive for a few more years, I'm sure.

>>108083068
Sounds like ultramarine should get more exposure.

>>108083095
>most people don't have 64GB of RAM and beyond
zram works just fine on 4GB of RAM

>>108081254
Every time i use gentoo i always use openrc over systemd even though systemd is supposed to be technically better than openrc i never find a reason for needing to use it on gentoo.

>>108083119
And you can even make the zram 8GB in size virtually if you want. Works great for Raspberry Pis.

>>108080009
NVIDIA?

>>108083014
Zswap stores swap pages in both RAM and the backing device (SSD). It dumps them into compressed RAM at first (like zram) and only once the compressed RAM is full it'll drop them to the backing device based on how relevant they are.

>>108080538
Its basically similar to luks but does not require root or at least pam can handle unlocking your home folder when you login without root.

>>108083128
You have to be careful with how big you make the zram usually its not supposed to be larger than your physical ram.

>>108083000
That's what I use, but it sucks this is the only option.

The options are using an OS with telemetry (windows, granted I can disable some of them but still) or no other OS at all because Linux distros are simply unable to run half my programs. It's open source it shouldn't have any limits at all.

>>108083015
Mint gave me some issue with drivers that I didn't have with windows, which is weird. I had some bugs copying files (copying/removing-drive time was Infinitely decreasing, eternally) and some programs had no options to be installed at all. I also think you can't use Adobe and league in mint either.

Also isn't kde like a GUI envioremnet (like the explorer in windows)? I've heard is full of bugs and gnome was giving me some issues on mint too (I think it was gnome? I was using cinnamon version, I think it was that one)

And no offense but I don't want to use fedora, the name and everything I've read about it lets me conclude it is the reddit cringe version. I've already had bad experiences with some Linux communities, I don't want more of the same.

>>108083061
If it takes 5 minutes, why isn't there an option to have that on the go, or why isn't it by default? You could have a distro ready to use that people use, but instead everyone has to waste the 5 minutes.

I really don't understand this mentality at all. It just wastes time for everyone.

>>108077956
update: I went in my UEFI settings and changed the sleep mode to "windows or linux" to "S3 linux" and it seems to be working so far

>>108083201
Adobe works on wine now thanks to some random guy on reddit.

>>108083228
>Adobe works on wine now thanks to some random guy on reddit.
I'm happy for this and if this is true I'm willing to try.

But you seriously can't hope that Linux desktop development being tied by duck tape by randoms and unknown posts on 'fucking reddit' is a good thing.

This thing is a whole mess, come on.

>>108077976
Forking clones the process without copying all of its memory, only memory pages that are changed during and after the fork are copied. Threads are not copied except for the thread that executes fork(), whose clone becomes the main thread in the new process, but their memory (stacks, TLS) does remain until an exec or exit.

Forking a 4GB process does not require 8GB of RAM unless the child (or parent!) modifies all 4GB of memory, then the memory pages have to be copied (on demand) before the writes. Yes, there is a race condition with fork+exec that can lead to OOM, it's one of the many reasons swap should be active. A program that is intended to fork during its operation is generally designed such that only the main process actually forks and not the worker processes, sometimes this is called a fork server. Firefox can be configured to use one (instead of the fatass main process), for example.

>Now if that process wants to spawn threads, even if those threads don't use much RAM, it must fork itself then exec,
Thread creation uses the same system call (clone) that fork() is implemented around, but it uses very different parameters and the result is a "lightweight" child process that shares (almost) everything with the parent. Creating a thread is not the same as forking.

>>108083119
>>108083128
>>108083152
>zram
Just use zswap.

>>108083423
No thanks, I'm not using my disk as RAM.

>>108083581
But zswap doesn't write to disk, provided you don't run out of the RAM allotment for compressed swap pages... wait, this is what happens with zram, as well.

Explain swap, zram and etc to me, if I have 64GB of RAM and never ever hit more than 50% utilization, should I use swap/zram at all?

>>108083201
>because Linux distros are simply unable to run half my programs. It's open source it shouldn't have any limits at all.
i dont mean to be a snob but are you fucking retarded

>>108083123
it's not that i need to use it, i just like it. i like how the units work, i like features like systemd-nspawn and systemd-run, i like how basic system configuration is done with a set of consistently-operated tools, etc. i won't claim it's "better" or that someone "should" use it, just that's it's a feature of gentoo to easily choose what you want to use, both which system and which parts of a system. gentoo is about choice, which is what linux is about for me

>>108083703
zswap does actually write to disk over a long period of time. If it has pages that are kinda pointless to keep in RAM it will write those to disk even if there's free RAM.
Pretty sure people are way over estimating how serious of a problem this is, though. At current rate I'll do less than 10TB a year of writes on my SSD rated for 2PB with zswap and a swap partition. In 10 years of age on this SSD I'll be at 100TB which is still less than 2PB.

>>108083228
i have yet to see proof of it working fine. yes you can use the installer now. but can you actually use PS productively without it glitching out, lots of functionality broken, no random crashes? why isnt there a single youtube video of someone properly using photoshop beyond testing one or two tools to make a circle? which is all ive seen so far, and even then there were visual glitches.

>>108083423
if you're using so much ram that you can't fit it in physical ram even compressed, then you should just get more physical ram as clearly you don't have enough for what you're using the computer for
>>108083703
zram never writes to disc

>>108083718
>should I use swap/zram at all?
The kernel requires swap to deal with various memory management issues like overcommit and page copy-on-write. If you don't use swap you're just risking easily avoidable crashes.

>>108083751
>you should just get more physical ram
In this economy?

>zram never writes to disc
Neither will zswap if you configure it. But obsessing about swap storage write cycles is retarded. Also, it's "disk".

>>108083739
technically it's not time-based
>Zswap evicts pages from compressed cache on an LRU basis to the backing swap device when the compressed pool reaches its size limit.
but in practice this means behavior similar to zram, because the legitimate way to use zram is to not fill up the compressed swap cache.

>>108083718
Even if you don't use enough of your RAM to actually need zram swap specifically you should still have like an 8GB zram swap anyway because it'll make your system feel snappier.

>>108083400
>only memory pages that are changed during and after the fork are copied
>Forking a 4GB process does not require 8GB of RAM unless the child (or parent!) modifies all 4GB of memory
>memory pages have to be copied (on demand) before the writes
So basically this is copy-on-write, like how BTRFS works, right? it seems to make sense now.
>Firefox can be configured to use one
This is interesting, I've never heard about this, where can I find documentation/info on this and does this make Firefox more stable when it has lots of tabs open?

>>108083718
If you have enough RAM then the only usecase for swap is hibernation (suspend to disk), other than that zram, swap and zswap are unnecessary.

>>108083768
It will always write something to disk, and it happens over time because I assume the pages it's writing to disk just happen to accumulate over time. I think it might be the not so compressible pages that it's writing to disk or it's the shrinker evicting cold crap, not sure. Regardless, without fail zswap will do writes to the swap partition.

ZRAM is better in this regard, since it will never ever write anything to disk. (there's no disk based swap to write to).

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>>108083945
>>108083768
Here's some statistics, the pool limit has not been hit so it's not flushing them to disk because it's full.

>>108083761
>Neither will zswap if you configure it.
if you never write to disc then it's no different to swap on zram
>Also, it's "disk"
"disk" is the american spelling. i'm not american

>>108083750
>why isnt there a single youtube video of someone properly using photoshop beyond testing one or two tools to make a circle?
There's plenty. Mental Outlaw drew a circle.

>>108083970
I'm not american and i use disk for drives and disc for cds.

Arch Linux permanently broke after I enable Secure Boot on my computer. Even disabling Secure Boot doesn't fix it, it just refuses to boot.

I tried chrooting into it to get my Chromium passwords back, but even within the chroot environment it's not able to resolve the keyrings or whatever, so it can't decrypt my passwords. What do?

>>108083983
you can if you want to

If a bash script sleeps, and in during that sleep I suspend/hibernate the computer, what happens to the sleep? Does it stop counting? Does it resume normally after I turn it back on? Does it keep counting even with the computer suspended?

>>108083970
"disc" is a singular unit, "disk" has long been associated with an apparatus involving at least one disc. HDDs have multiple disc-shaped platters.

>>108083984
Whatever you do don't wipe the install before youve recovered the passwords. Chromium passwords are encrypted with a key tied to the operating system.

>>108084007
it's supposed to be based on real time, so i would expect it to "keep counting during sleep", but then the linux implementation also handles changes of the realtime clock, that is, changing the system clock won't change how long something sleeps for, so i'm not sure just from the documentation how suspend affect sleep

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>>108083840
>So basically this is copy-on-write,
It's exactly what it is. The same mechanism is used to share executable images across processes, especially those of libraries.

>does this make Firefox more stable when it has lots of tabs open?
In my experience as a tab hoarder, yes. But tab unloading is a lot more important.
Also, I think the fork server is enabled by default now, if not toggle 'dom.ipc.forkserver.enable'. Check your task manager app of choice, it should look something like pic related.

>>108084022
if there is such an association, it's not official/part of english as far as i know. not that correctness matters here since we're practically only talking about SSDs, which have no disc/disk shaped features in the first place