What is the current stance on E-SIM?Worse or better than regular SIM?Mainly talking about privacy and security aspects.
Allows this honeypot to exist
>>108085175You don't need to worry about eSIM anymore. They're just going to throw an iSIM right onto your chips.
>>108085175ask yourself you low IQ retard OP, do governments and tech monopolies strive constantly towards a more open and free practices in order to guaranty the freedom, anonymity and privacy of their *cattle* sorry I mean customers or is it the other way around
>>108085185QRD? Never heard about this before.
>>108085214Seems like the same concept, just smaller.So my question still stands.Regular SIM or virtual SIM? What's better for privacy and security?
like sd card, i prefer a physical sim where i can control instead
>>108085175I switched carriers recently and had to pay money for a physical sim card. If my phone supported esim I could've gotten it for free. Therefore I prefer esim. /g/ is contrarian and conspiratorial so they'll tell you it's horrible.
>>108085235E-Sim paid with monero. Globally available, reasonable prices, no KYC. Internet Backbones in Europe and I shit you not israel.Useful for cucked countries like Germanistan that force humiliation rituals like passport controls when getting a sim.
>>108085234>>108085266I get that but I wanted to know if there are any hard arguments for or against this technology. Not subjective preferences.I never used an E-SIM myself before
>>108085278>had to pay moneypls tell us the exorbitant amount of money that you had to pay anon
>>108085282>E-Sim paid with monero. Globally available, reasonable prices, no KYC. Internet Backbones in Europe and I shit you not israel.>Useful for cucked countries like Germanistan that force humiliation rituals like passport controls when getting a sim.This is actually legal?
>>108085299I also had to wait several days for it to ship by mail. Then I had to physically install it. Much less convenient than just scanning a QR code and instantly switching over.
>>108085329I mean... Propably? It's a Virtual Carrier registered in some tax haven where this is likely legal. It's propably not illegal to use just illegal to sell. Pic related is just a guy shipping sims from the NL to Germany. That's another option
>>108085337>moving the goalpost why can't you say the amount of money that you complained about in your previous comment lol?
>>108085385Cope
>>108085385You implied that the monetary value wasn't a valid reason, so I gave you some more reasons why esim was more inconvenient for me. It was around $10 since you're so interested.
>>108085353I know about NL sim cards. They will get disabled if you don't top up the credit on these though.Makes them basically useless if you want to use them for more than a month.
>>108085505Fake News, Read the FAQ https://www.ready-sim.eu/produkt/lebara-anonyme-sim-karte-aktiviert-ohne-ausweis-anonym-aktiv-registriert/
>>108085519>Validity:>Without a call after the number 1244, to register in the Lebara app or to place a recharge, the card remains valid until the expiry date printed on the packaging (only for receiving SMS).>After a call to 1244, you must charge within 60 days.>After charging unlimited validity: after each use, Sim will remain valid for another 90 days. (Use = active use in Internet connection, SMS or call)>If the card is inactive for 90 days, you must charge within 30 days to keep the Sim card alive. After 120 days without activity, the SIM becomes inactive.
>>108085175WorseYou're at the mercy of support to change phones, which not only is inconvenient but you have to trust they don't fuck things up
>>108085175>What is the current stance on E-SIM?What do the Graphene OS dudes say about it?
>>108085500>>108085337>gave more reasons>I had to physically install itlol are you a boomer or just mentally handicapped
>>108085353How are these anonymous if you have to give them your address for shipping and pay with Paypal or bank transfer giving them even more non-anonymous information?
>>108085595This is some pajeet in a shop. Do you think he writes down the number on the sim card he sells you for a 10x markup.
how do I get access to a WhatsApp-account to send someone a single message? does someone have a good source/shop for this?
>>108085653>Do you think he writes down the number on the sim card he sells youYea
>>108085175eSIM is much better
>>108085175Excellent privacy and security against Tyrone, but terrible for security and privacy against anything else.
>>108087053>but terrible for security and privacy against anything else.How's it worse in this regard than regular SIM cards?
>>108085175esim is slop because you cant just move the esim to and from devices like you can with a physical sim card
>>108087320I'm not changing my devices regularly anyways.
>>108087700sure but its good to have the option avvailable if you ever need it what if you needed to because youre phone stopped working or something youre basically screwed and have to spend an hour calling your phone provider or something to move your sim over. what if thats not possible because youre on holiday. its a stupid design choice that its not just some file you can move around like an actual sim card
>>108085175>phone breaks>money stolenNo
>>108088098Yes absolutely. I get that and I agree.But I want to know know if there are any security or privacy arguments against E-SIM
>>108085175Physical vs eSIM doesnt matter, neither one is private. Glowies have backdoors to every cell tower in north america regardless.
>>108087320Verizon and most other providers will lock your service if they detect a mismatch between ICCID (SIM) and IMEI (phone). Think of IMEI as your VIN and ICCID as your license plate.
>>108088122Its more difficult for a thief to clone an eSIM than a physical SIM
>>108088441that sounds retarded probably an american thing since your phone companies are extremely anti consumer kek ive moved my sim between phones a tonne of times as i fuck around with old android devices never had any issues with several uk providers
>>108088441That doesn't make ANY sense
>>108088503Dont worry it will happen there too. Your government will say its to reduce white nationalist grooming gangs or something. I know they arrest people for mean facebook posts over there so...
>>108088518Which part? I can explain it for you.t. former vzw customer service agent
>>108088562>Verizon and most other providers will lock your service if they detect a mismatch between ICCID (SIM) and IMEI (phone)This part.I switched my SIM between phones many times. Always worked. 0 problems.
>>108088609Im happy for you. Did your carrier already have the different phones' IMEIs on file?It was literally my job for two years to help people activate their new phones, after they swapped the SIM over and were surprised they had no service
>>108085175In my opinion it was way too easy to install the E-SIM on my new phone, a email link from the provider and my code and poof, it was installed. Feels like somebody with enough knowledge about this system could easily steal E-SIMS, and because these days a lot of goverment&bank shit is connected to your cellphone number, would maek it very easy to steal your data&money.
>>108088441Sounds like a USA thingAFAIK providers here are not allowed to deny service depending on what phone you use, nor are phones allowed to be carrier locked (that is 100% illegal I know for sure).
>>108088853i wasnt clear. they dont deny service, they just require you to register your phone's imei before they provide service. so if you buy a new phone from best buy, ebay, wherever, and stick your old sim in it, you will not have service til you call them or update your account in their app or whatever. but there is no way to use an anonymous sim with an anonymous phone on american cell towers (except 911 calls, those work without a sim installed). you must be documented in the carrier's database.
>>108085175Esim is so convinient for travel it's not even funny.
>>108085246Similar concept. It's not 'just smaller'. Now you have to swap out the entire CPU.It's difficult to use words like 'better' in these framings. But for privacy and security purposes, the ability to rotate is valuable.>>108085278>Therefore I prefer esim. /g/ is contrarian and conspiratorial so they'll tell you it's horrible.And when that gets cloned you're going to?>>108085284>any hard arguments for or against this technology'for' is generally 'smaller device'. 'Against' is generally consumer rights and privacy/security.
>>108085329>This is actually legal?What, precisely?In what jurisdiction?>>108086988Evidence?>>108087202>How's it worse in this regard than regular SIM cards?You can just swap out a SIM for another
>>108088884Works on my machine.t. non-americano
>>108085175Man, why the fuck do you need privacy? I understand if you don't want the Government to look at your stuff without a warrant, but with a judicial warrant issued by the Judiciary that is independent from the legislature and the executive? What's the problem with that?
>>108091726>but with a judicial warrant issued by the Judiciary that is independent from the legislature and the executive? What's the problem with that?Given the absolute state of dragnet surveillance, literally none of that applies
>>108091726Shut the fuck up, glowie
>>108085175
>>108085175my shithole bans the websites of all global providers so I'll lean on "it's good"
>>108091898>my shitholeWhich one?
I prefer the physical card. When i want a new phone, I just buy an unlocked one and put the SIM in. No need to talk to T-Mobile, dunno what>>108088609Is talking about. If my phone were to break, I could take out the SIM and stick it in a backup. I've done it before. Only benefits to E-Sim imo is better waterproofing and easier carrier hopping.
>>108091951Oops, Meant to (You)>>108088441
>>108091897AI generated image?
>>108086988>eSIM is much betterThis
>>108085266yep. never know when youre going to want to do your own SIM things
>>108088441>Verizon and most other providers will lock your service if they detect a mismatch between ICCID (SIM) and IMEI (phone).No they don't?
>>108085175imagine not being able to replace your SIM lmaoas usual, americans enjoy being cucked by corporations.
>>108091726All kinds; anyone going against me is my enemy and I must act to incapacitate my enemy with every step I take.
>>108085175do you want to carry sim or phone e.sim makes sense
>>108085175Esim better
