/iemg/ Dogma Check
Tired of the hivemind? Here’s your prescribed sanity dose:

>Crinacle is not your priest.
Rankings are a guide, not divine scripture. Your ears > his spreadsheet.

>Harman ≠ perfect.
It’s a preference curve, not a law of physics. Some genres need deviation.

>Chi-Fi isn’t magic.
Great value, yes. Immune to qc issues and hype cycles? Nah.

>Graphs are not sound.
They don’t show staging, dynamics, or fit. Use your ears, not just squigs.

>BA ≠ metallic, DD ≠ perfect.
Implementation matters more than driver type. Always has.

>Meme sets aren’t the whole hobby.
If it’s not shilled 24/7, it might still be good. It's highly encouraged to form an original opinion.

>Disagreeing ≠ cope or deaf.
Let people like what they like without foaming at the mouth.

>Loud posts =/= smart takes.
Confidence without experience is just noise. Show graphs, impressions, or both.


This has been your scheduled break from pos groupthink.

>>108087510
Chatgpt lost. Driver clipping won.

>>108087519
haha

Super Review visits this thread and I have proof.

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>>108087572
He made an episode about balanced being a meme after we were talking about it being a meme, next day or something.

>>108087572
He's a deaf ass bitch who thinks sennheiser IEs aren't ear rape. Never trust a faggot with two first names "Mark Ryan".

>>108087755
>who thinks sennheiser IEs aren't ear rape
You think everyone has the same HRTF. Lol!

>>108087835
He's not gonna fuck you bro.

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This thread is dedicated to the 3 brave /iemg/ posters who lost their hearing during the summer of 2025.

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Price is still inverse to quality. Don't listen to Deafzo, get your low THD Chu IIs today.

/iemg/ Consumer Guide
$2 Dawn 1DD
$3 EDC Pro 1DD
$3 AK6 Pro
$4 Rue 1DD
$4 Luki 1DD+1subwoofer
$5 Libra X 1DD
$5 Konoka 1DD+1BA+1subwoofer
$5 Kunten 1DD
$6 ED9 Pro 1DD
$7 Castor 2DD
$7 Krila 1DD+1BA
$8 Venus 1DD
$10 QKZ x HBB 1DD
$11 TRN Lucky Bag (5 iems)
$12 Waner 1DD
$12 Rosefinch 1DD
$12 GATe 1DD
$13 Chu II 1DD
$14 Bunny 1DD
$14 PR2 1planar
$15 Luna 1planar
$18 Decet 5DD
$20 LF3 Pro 1DD+1EST+1BA
$20 ST7 2DD+5BA
$30 VX Pro+ 1DD+8BA

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you are deafzo so we shouldn't listen to you? makes sense actually

>>108087852
>low iq response
Expected

>>108087884
Prove me wrong.

>a bunch of hibyos players got PEQ
>zero mention in iemg
Guess its true nobody here eqs.

>>108088101
>PMP in 2026 instead of phone + UAPP or Neutron
Embarassing

>>108088118
>dongles
goyim

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How does a pair of Truthear Hola compare to all this new POS?

>>108088210
post obsoleted by gate

>>108087873
>measures good
>sounds cheap
>breaks in a month

>>108088210
It still has a pretty unique tuning desu with the pinna gain not being replicated in many single driver POS except by zero 2.

anyone tried the waner sg2 lion (bass) edition?
hearsay from plebbit is a thicker cable

Alright, I'm caving in.
PRX or PR2, choose what I'll buy and measure.

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>you also don't need to pay for technicalities, because that's all FR too.
so cringe lied to me??

>>108089342
cringeacle pre 2023 lied to you, cringeacle post 2023 saved you

>>108089342
>trusting bald people

>>108089331
both. but I have a better question. what would be the deciding factors for you personally to choose one over the other?

>>108089342
whoever resolve is, what a giant homo.

>>108089518
Whichever is most interesting to the people here. I'll be measuring and giving my thoughts, then probably give them away.

>>108089823
>measuring
with what?

>>108090079
Calibrated coupler

>>108090081
what coupler?

>>108090195
IEC 60318-4 compliant coupler

I ordered some kz pros for the first time trying these. Have been using sennheiser hds for like 12 years. They sound really good for earbuds but I had to cut the ear wrap around plastic shrink off with a razor because they're for chinese sized ears though. Do they not come in various sizes? I looked on ali and there was zero size indication anywhere.

>>108089351
The jeet mind can't comprehend satire.

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Haven’t visited /iemg/ in a while, documenting my source comparisons: Weiss DAC204 vs Gustard X30. Tested using Storm through Chord Alto’s speaker out.

>Weiss DAC204
Kills midbass. Lacking in dynamics, no physicality or slam at all. Treble extension is poor due to its fast decay – as a result you get this bright-lean sounding DAC which lacks treble. The Weiss has great separation prowess in the mids due to sacrificing both ends of the FR, making it quite suited for boomers trying to techsmaxx classical/orchestral.

But the biggest deal-breaker is its narrow stage and a wall-of-sound effect. Claustrophobic sounding in both width and depth. But since everything is closer to you, the mids may sound more resolving.

>Gustard X30
The Weiss is so lean that the Gustard sounded muddy and warm in comparison, when in actuality the X30 is your typical “chifi neutral” DAC.

The X30 stages wider and sounded more diffuse-field. Both DACs suffer from ESS glare but the Gustard has a harsher transient which makes it makes the top-end more “sparkly” (I liked this on my speakers).
But desu the Gustard isn’t anything special – just another chifi ESS DAC. And it’s not even the best in its category – the Questyle CMA15 has a smoother DAC portion than the Gustard and that thing is an all-in-one. Meanwhile the X30 is a DAC+streamer with a higher MSRP and sounds worse.

>TLDR
Both DACs are okay, usable. I’ve heard better. The Weiss is interesting for its mids separation but I can’t listen to its narrow stage for long.

>>108089342
That's missing the fact 75% of what we hear does not come from audio. 50% is lost in the hair cells(bottom half of the waveform) and then 50%of the remainder is lost on the way to the brain(everything within a 10ms windows turns into sludge - if there were 2 peaks you'll hear 1 peak). The brain fills the blanks. The knowledge they got their HRTF measured so they EQd with the "right graph" undoubtedly affected how much techs they heard. And that's why IEMs and headphones don't sound like speakers, the brain knows you're listening to IEMs and makes them sound like IEMs. Until you accidentally play through headphones when you meant to play through speakers and it sounds like it's playing through speakers - many have experienced this. Basically you could perfectly emulate headphones on the audio level but as long as people see what they're listening to they'll hear a difference.

>>108090243
>Do they not come in various sizes?
The ear hooks? No, but you can change their shape with heat. Too late now I guess. I personally remove them as well, reduces the tangling.

>>108089351
>cringeacle pre 2023: selling $300 moondrops
>cringeacle post 2023: selling $300 moondrops
>cringeacle never: EQing $5 shitbuds

I have a pair of Truthear Gates. I can get some Moondrop whatevers on Taobao for not very much.
Am I likely to notice any discernible difference in sound quality?

Can I use other software for EQ on Tanchjim Stargate 2 and/or can I invert channels on the Tanchjim app?

Anyone using Nice Buds or Quark2?

>>108090990
There are websites that can directly access its internal EQ without any apps like crinacle's graph tool. It can't invert channels. You can of course ignore the internal EQ entirely and use something like jamesdsp - it can invert channels. Or you can just plug in the cable correctly you know. Don't tell me you fell for that Indian piece of junk.

What's the best IEM?

>>108091189
some chinese plastic from aliexpress probably framed ironically but also actually

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Should I?

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>>108091129
>You can of course ignore the internal EQ entirely and use something like jamesdsp
Isn't that another software like EasyEffects? I already did that with EasyEffects but there's nothing like that for Android outside some proprietary music players but those don't apply system-wide.
>Don't tell me you fell for that Indian piece of junk.
You mean EO-IA500/IC100/IG955? I got IC-100 because it was available in physical stores and my earphones broke. It's not a DSP USB-C cable, seems like both this and IG-955 are braided from the cable split down. Don't know if there's any tuning difference besides unit variation.
>Or you can just plug in the cable correctly you know.
It's much better fit around-ear, you can do around ear without inverting the channels if you insert the buds upside down, doesn't feel like as good of a fit as inverting the buds.

>>108091651
>there's nothing like that for Android outside some proprietary music players but those don't apply system-wide.
Nevermind, there's https://github.com/timschneeb/RootlessJamesDSP

i have truthear hexas. i like them. is there an equivalent that's wireless with 0 latency? like with a 2.4ghz receiver or something? so i can game with them aswell as use them for music

>>108091651
Jamesdsp is for android. There's root and rootless version. Rootless doesn't work in apps that forbid audio recording unless you patch them. The option to invert channels is in the convolver, unusually. Btw the jeet instructed you to buy a measurement rig to fix the dogshit channel balance on those and qudelix 5k to invert channels and EQ. Surely you didn't skip those crucial steps and are just asking hypothetically.

>>108091712
There's no wireless with no latency. Even 2.4Ghz ones have 30ms. And if you're fine with 30ms the available options are all trash.

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1DD >> Hybrid multi driver

>>108091713
>Btw the jeet instructed you to buy a measurement rig to fix the dogshit channel balance on those and qudelix 5k to invert channels and EQ. Surely you didn't skip those crucial steps and are just asking hypothetically.
I know. I just bought the IC-100 as I could just take a bus to a store and have it instantly on the meanwhile and to test the fit.

I have Salnotes Zero which I like a lot. Is it worth trying out the Gate?
I also like v shape and people say the Hype 4 sound good. I don't really like big shells and I'm afraid of stuff having too many drivers and crossovers to fail.
How much better are they compared to less expensive sets? Or expensive sets are a waste of time?
Also I once had a pair of Dioko which I loved but they were so uncomfy. They had very precise imaging and fast transients though which I can't replicate on my Zero. Anything with good imaging with a decent shell size?

>Moondrop Variations: sound good but their fit is terrible and hurt my ears after 20 minutes
>See Audio Yume: very balanced-sounding, inoffensive and laid-back, lack energy in the treble and bass, excellent fit and comfort
Should I get a Truthear Gate and sell the two IEMs I already own? What's the fit like with the Gate? I want balanced-sounding IEM but I don't want to spend more than 30€ for it: Variations have taught me that high-priced IEM are simply not worth it.

>>108092032
If you know how to EQ well, the Zero are all you need.
Hype 4 is fine, nothing amazing.
>>108092062
It's pretty good, slim and should fit snugly inside of the ear.

are the soundcore liberty 4 decent for an every day driver?

>>108090903
Not if you're deaf.

>>108090427
>got their HRTF measured
how does one do this?
>so they EQd with the "right graph" undoubtedly affected how much techs they heard.
how does this work? the simplest way to explain techs is if you have well-mixed audio, only quality, well-implemented speakers can reproduce that accurately. and if you add coloration, either with EQ or the speakers themselves, it throws off techs. this is why neutral is sought-after.
you're right our brain does fill in the blanks, but you're ignoring the reality of good and bad audio mixes.
>>108090578
>cringeacle when Chu released: "you don't have to pay for tuning!"
>cringeacle after Chu: "buy my $100+ pos based on its tuning alone!"
>>108092032
>zero upgrade
easiest rec would be Daybreak. you don't need to spend any more at all if you're bumping up from Zeros.

>>108092964
>the simplest way to explain techs is if you have well-mixed audio, only quality, well-implemented speakers can reproduce that accurately.
That's not how it works at all. Take the exact same headphone, color one black and the other one silver. The black one will sound like it has more bass. That's techs. Everything that isn't objective. Most tech monsters are fucking dogshit objectively. Nobody ever said that genelecs have high techs. Most will conclude that magnepans have more techs. Because they look unusual. Same with headphones and IEMs. All tech monsters have something "unusual" about them and most aren't neutral by any metric - but if you EQ them to be neutral they'll still have techs.

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>>108092964
>easiest rec would be Daybreak
*Theybreak

>>108093130
doesn't crinear replace them for free though?

>>108092964
>but you're ignoring the reality of good and bad audio mixes.
Pos with good techs sounds wider both on the good and the bad mixes. Even on mono mixes. You keep bringing up this retarded shit because you've only ever heard two IEMs.

>>108093169
>Pos with good techs sounds wider both on the good and the bad mixes.
I agree with that mostly but it's only to an extent. and you know the extent is based on quality of the driver so thanks for agreeing with me on that.
mono mixes are the perfect way to test this.
what's retarded to you? you're mostly agreeing with me lol

>>108093169
I remember a guy that played hd800 in mono for a year and still heard "the soundstage".

>>108093206
You say that the mix matters. It doesn't. That's the retarded part.

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I decided to buy this, and yes, it's endgame

>>108093208
average headpos user

>>108093263
why does ali filter so many niggers here

>>108093429
Ali marks stuff up if you're in the USA. Its good for thirdies, sucks for us.

>>108093429
Wtf is ali?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQmYgjU_uf4
>mogs ur shitbud tuning

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>>108093263
Obsoleted by fox buds.

>>108093219
you're 100% wrong, then. sorry.

>>108093570
Indian confidence must be studied.

>>108093661
I accept your concession.

>>108093576
what are these buds fox user

>>108093716
BaiQingxue 1998

>>108091880
You better hurry because he already switched to other product and makes an "IA-500 is garbage" video as we speak.

>>108093502
>Its good for thirdies
Nope. Brazil has a 37% tax on <$50 and a 110% tax on >$50.

>>108093713
that's you conceding. if you can't even hold your own in the conversation, don't engage to begin with. your shit sounded like it was coming from cope anyway so good on you to give up before it could get any worse.

>>108093813
I accept your concession again.

>>108093779
Whichever shithole coinzo is from seems to be good for ali.

>>108093826
you're just speaking tranny cope again. don't do that

>>108094049
Ok, I'll just accept your concession again.

A man that didn't know drivers can clip has an opinion about driver quality, stay tuned.

Which BT earhooks should I get for my pos?

Any IEMs that will be an upgrade from the Sony MDR-7506 sound wise that will also be easier to drive? I want a pair to use with my Maxell cassette player.

>>108094155
Anything really, 7506 is genuinely not good. Gate or bunny.

>>108094289
Forgot to say my budget is around a hunnid. Maybe I should just get a 3.5mm cable for my sliivo's instead though. I think a decent cable is like 20 bucks.

>>108094306
Which sliivos. If they're multidriver don't plug them into mystery meat sources like that, it'll butcher the sound.

>>108094335
Sliivo sl41 mk2. I didn't consider the multidriver specific. Maybe I should just get one the cheap ones. People are telling me to get koss portapotty's or these new moondrop/fiio "retro" over year sony walkman style open back headphones but I hate those.

>>108094155
Hmm, I've used Sony MDR 7506 a lot and that popular producer Sennheiser headphone. Honestly, they sound flat af and boring, especially Sony MDR. If you want realistic sound you'd probably have to spend more than €50 on IEM, but I'm having more fun listening with cheap IEMs than I had with 7506. It's the sort of situation where Snoop dog wore trashy beats headphones, but they were fun

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>>108094404
Gates have a nice thin cable many people swear by and it'll fit sliivos too, might as well get them since they cost about as much as a cable on its own anyway. On-ear headphones are fucking terrible, they're only recommending them because of the meme.

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>>108094444
It's more about having an IEM or headphone that's easier to drive and usable in public, because the MDRs are ok to use outside, but they don't really get that loud with this Maxell plus they also leak sound and mess up my hair styling a bit. Sound quality will be very questionable here regardless because cassettes in general sound like ass. They are fun though.

>>108094455
>they're only recommending them because of the meme

Yeah, exactly. I'm not looking for a certain look or aesthetic here. I had those types of headphones as a little kid and they were dogshit. Honestly the reason why I think I have tinnitus too. I once fell asleep wearing a pair of these treble cannons listening to some dogshit 2000s nu-metal and my brother "pranked" me by turning the volume to the max.

gonna ask again since i didn't get a real response
why does ali filter so many niggers here?

>>108094491
Ask a real question.

Is it true that IEMs create a passive NC seal that rivals that of ANC headphones?

Also I'm deciding between crinacle zero and SIMGOT SuperMix 4, and another anon say get the crinacle cuz anything else is overpriced hypebeasting

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anyone know of any SMALL dacs with 10 band peq that i could easily use with my phone without it being too clunky? i've got my eye on this from jadeaudio/fiio, the jiezi, but i want to know if others have seen anything better

>>108094553
I don't know about you but me personally I'm never touching anything cringacle aka redditacle. Simgots are tried and tested otherwise.

>>108094553
the anc from airpod pro 2's is better at some parts of the spectrum, worse at others, in comparison to any iems i've worn. passive isolation from iems are less fatiguing to me i would say, just gotta find some comfy ones and use the right eartips (spinfits)

>>108094553
Depends on the IEM. Some are fairly vented like p50, some are very isolating like etymotics. ANC is always better at reducing low frequencies but IEMs are often better at reducing high frequencies. There was a comparison table somewhere on rtings.

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>>108094557
another one i looked at was the snowsky tiny, but it has a pathetically high noise floor that's distracting. not to mention the power draw is not ideal-i only want to drive some iems with curve fitting eq

>>108094553
Depends on which ones, but generally no. Low frequency attenuation is poor on every IEM, while high frequency attenuation on ANC headphones is usually weaker.
>>108094557
Retro Nano if you want BT. The Jiezi is probably the smallest normal form factor unless I missed a PEQ no-cable DAC

>>108094593
>retro nano
nah, im looking for anything that is compact and inline. if i weren't an itoddler i would be okay with bt but im stuck with aac on iphone and it's dogshit (no i will not carry a dedicated transmitter with me, though i did try that in the past)

>>108094585
>>108094593
Okay I'm a retard who lacks sound frequency knowledge. I just need something that can make living with my slampig roommate tolerable; laughing, singing, her fucking black dudes

I was looking at the 110-200 range on the rentry. Among those what would be the best passive NC?

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>>108094629
Low frequency is shit like engines, this is high frequency. Daybreak or hexa should be good.

anyone have a picture of the pure and the zero red side by side? I can only seal with the zero red from all the iems that I have tested and would like to have a notion if the pure could seal for me too thanks

Tried luki. This shit is so ass. Deafzo's hearing range is downgraded to 100Hz. It only vibrates if you're sending a 117Hz tone to it and just adds a PVC pipe drone to normal music.

>>108094666
Appreciate lookin that up for me. What website is that?

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peqdb diamond is now live in the studio and preset eq

>>108094739
https://www.rtings.com/headphones/tools/table?c=general:product,general:year,usage:32778,test:24436,general:price,general:test_bench,test:422,test:421,test:425&f=general:test_bench=recent&o=test:422=asc&s=normal

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>>108094757
Sean Olive won.

>>108094757
>harman is thin and sibilant
>let's make it more thin and sibilant

>>108094925
That's science, backed by multiple blind tests. No sighted bias by staring at graphs and imagining how things sound.

>>108094945
Thankfully I ran through his blind test before and got the opposite of that, so I at least know my preferences.

>>108094945
Blind as in you'd have to be fucking blind to trust an Indian.

>>108094757
One day target makers will figure out they're treating the symptoms instead of the disease(5kHz and length modes).

>>108087500
so basically anon from yesteryear told me that my papa would enjoy waner sg 2 over bunny because he likes treble. i cant see why anyone would enjoy the brightness from waner sg 2 over kuwai bunny. regardless, my papa who doesnt really know anything about this was delighted with the sound. thanks anon.

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>>108095388
>i cant see why anyone would enjoy the brightness from waner sg 2 over kuwai bunny
Now you can.

>>108087500
Does anyone know if there is bluetooth headphones where the left/right ears are connected via wire and maybe the bluetooth transmitter is a little offset in some way so its not like right on my skull?

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>>108095648

>>108095430
KZ PR2 speedruns you to the bottom line.

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i regret getting this pos. it's seriously making me NOT want to get anything else because it goes so well with my shitty music taste. i'd see something that looks cool, but i'd just be all 'yeah, but you'll use it for an album then just shelf it and go back to the bajie'.
it's fucking annoying.
maybe i should just use my coins and coupon to get another pair as back up.

>>108094549
why does ali filter so many niggers here?

>>108096037
same but with edc pro + eq

>>108096077
>edc pro + eq
nta but what does this accomplish?

>>108096105
endgame

>>108096105
severe hearing loss

>>108087755
>>108087880
>>108095998
100% deaf, read the EQ guide.

>>108096110
based

>>108096114
deaf

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>>108096118
>>108096126
Raped.

>>108096118
>read the eq guide
>doesn't eq
exblain???

>>108096124
Profoundly deaf. Read EQ guide.

>>108096130
Deaf.

>>108096128
>>108096138
All deaf.

>>108096147
Deaf. Just read the EQ guide instead of proving Crinacle correct all day. This is bizarre behavior.

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>>108096118
>>108096126
>>108096135
>>108096143
>>108096152
The day deafzo learned he is deaf.

>>108096132
>>108096162
And... Deaf. Good thread, lads. Nice meltdown.

https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/

>>108096162
So that's why he's so butthurt lmao.

>>108096159
>>108096170
Doesn't EQ, just like crinacle. Total hearing loss.

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The shit no EQ does to a motherfucker.

>>108096193
those pads fuck me up every time lmao

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you cant eq in techs.
sure, you can keep tuning your civic, but there's no replacement for displacement.

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Holy fuck lmao. Who's the sucker here who bought the Y1? We got a new deafie on our hands.

>>108096110
entirely subjective, don't you agree?
>>108096118
what's your most used pos? what pos is in your signal chain right now?

>>108096211
Skill issue.

>>108096211
ask any racer, any real racer. it don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. winning's winning

Gonna blind buy Cadenza just to have. Not sure which color. You guys also tried the sancai noble tips? Are they snake oil? The regular sancai are by far the best I've tried and I stick to them only. They're perfect for my earussy. Wondering if the noble variant would somehow be better.

>>108096215
>entirely subjective, don't you agree?
subjectively the best, objectively better than most too

>>108096249
>objectively better than most
you run that study first then feel free to show us the results.

>winning is winning
cuck mentality. it's like saying sure, your wife got gangbanged by tyrone and his homies but at least she's still your wife.

>>108096256
compared to other top mdaqs iems, it is very good

>>108096212
PMPs are a humiliation ritual.

>>108096307
*dongles

>>108096354
Some PMPs are dongles, yeah, but that's not the point.

>>108096232
Cadenzas are still relevant?
I bought a pair years ago and I'd be surprised if nothing has superseded them yet

>>108096357
low iq response

>>108096077
>software patching his earphones
couldn't be me

>>108096211
There are plugins that add distortion.

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/iemg/ - In-Ear Monitor General

>tube amps in 20XX
Why?

>>108096678
>>108096689
cope general

i bought endgame but how do i get better music taste

xperia xz premium of lg v30 as a daily driveable PMP?

>>108096901
>phone size pmp
bro

>>108096913
i don't want to look like a weirdo in public

>>108096992
Then start looksmaxxing. If your ugly anything you will automatically be considered a weirdo.

>>108097031
traditional pmps are a giant "this dude is a pedo" sign

>>108097041
Doesn't matter if you're chad. If you're ugly you are automatically a pedo.

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https://audio-imaging-test-lab.vercel.app/
fun little stereo imaging test. just tried it for the first time and used my Chus. would be interesting to get an average score for that and test it against all my pos

just got a kbear venus. because it lights up.

>>108097486
Real techs

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do I need more iems?

>>108097639
what do you want more of?

>>108087500
What is the best open-source music player app(mp3/flac) for Android?

>>108097827
Vibe code one with Claude your lazy fk.