why hasn't Max Headroom hit a public resurgence? knowing AIs been on the rise these past few years, you'd expect him to be a figure at the forefront. Like why hasn't any memes centered around him developed yet? You'd think Zoomers with their ironic-satire culture would at least bring him back or something.
>>108089304Be the change you want to see.
this is one of those boomer fads that boomers and gen x think everyone knows exists but actually 99% of us zoomers have never heard of this shit
they need an e-celeb to make a video essay on it first.
>>108089519I don't know it either. Just the TV hack which happened before I was born.
>>108089304nobody does anything interesting or fun anymore. it's either be a loser who rots inside all day or shoot up a public place, no in between as a white guy
>>108089304>look up Max Headroom on jewtube>It somehow feels relevant in 2026I think op is on to something. Although, for memes there is Caine form Digital Circus. He's a very similar character.
>>108089304The public isn't smart enough to understand the satire. Also, Millennials are corporate suck-ups
>>108089643Something's wrong, I can feel it.>Noone does anything anymore because everyone has become consumers. >There is no hope unless the Internet receives a reset, or something new is created entirely.>All websites are floodes with bot activity. The "obvious" ones you see, are there as distractions, hiding the ones posing as human.>Passwords are useless, 4chan hacked proved that. The hack also exposed Q as fraud. "Everything according to plan" bullshit.Ever since COVID distracted us, and gave us an excuse to be chronically online, waves of bots, and the general vibe of the internet is gone. Why do I get the feeling someone connected with AI development will be in the Epstein files? I think AI was gatekept and could have been developed even earlier than 2010, knowing how AI could literally improve itself over time.>Captcha on this website is nothing, /pol/ is already flooded.
>>108089674The subtitle was '10 minutes in the future' for a reason.
>>108089746>Why do I get the feeling someone connected with AI development will be in the Epstein files?He met with Peter Thiel, and may have secured him funding for Palindeer. I think some other big tech bros are in the files like Elon Musk who wanted to attend one of Epstein's parties. Not sure about the full extent, because most people are only interested in wingnut bullshit. This obvious that the internet was ruined on purpose. And I think even that's in the Epstein files.>>108089774It's amazing how ahead of its time the character was. There's a similar feeling of eerie comfort from vapor wave and his stuttering is a similar kind of gag to YouTube poop. These days you could create the next max headroom as a vtuber with blender and do a lot more with the whole "glitching out AI corporate suit" concept.
>>108089746Yeah people are just different now. Very domesticated. People used to read sci fi and were way more wary of big tech, but everyones a good little goy who talks the same way and says "super" a lot like a faggot. "that's super intuitive." kill yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6epzmRZk6UU
>>108089835everyone is fearmongering about ai tho
>>108089818Especially Max's thoughts on censorship. How much of the internet is censored? Noone can give a correct answer lmao and they never will.
>>108089863Fearmongering while using it yeah
Different generation. Kids today don't need to do all this for counter-culturing or trolling they can just harass some random celebrity on Instagram.>>108089519this
>>108089304Who the heck is Max Headroom?
>>108089498it takes more than one, always bro
>>108089835nobody on this super earth says that. Where have you been super living? Under a super rock?
>>108090002And exactly how much headroom does he have?
>>108090002local man DOESNT get dubs
>>108089304How difficult would it be to interfere with some TV transmission these days?I think it wouldn't be that expensive or difficult. Also, you could do a physical pentest-like infiltration of some TV channel and insert some video or whatever in their scheduled programming, I guess.
>>108090054Only if you're lazy.
>>108090002His real name is Max Kolonko and he used to be a Polish TV news reporter living in New York
>>108090696The way he did it would be pretty much impossible now, though you might be able to jam a signal instead of replacing it. If you're open to physical access, then the sky is the limit once you take over the broadcast tower. Satellite piracy is happening right now on older abandoned birds but no one but the pirates are listening. It's mostly seafarers in SE Asia doing it to communicate with each other. No one cares as the sats are otherwise obsolete.
>>108090722>The way he did it would be pretty much impossible now, though you might be able to jam a signal instead of replacing it.I just googled the encoding for digital TV in the US. It's ATSC. I wonder of it's signed or something. Maybe you could interfere right at the antenna? Though I guess it wouldn't cover more than one city , and I have no clue if that's even technically possible in the first place.Looking for the computers and applications they use for TV programming would make things far easier, I'd guess.
>>108090709Yeah okay nigger if I really wanted to spread a meme I'll just spam on a bunch of websites I don't care about, it's supposed to happen naturally anyways
>>108089304A very short run on TV and a total lack of reboots, which is a good thing considering how much good original content has been turned into slop through continuing on beyond its years.. >>108089674It was a fun show but also had some info wrong, like how it believed the Japanese would takeover and believed the Japanese were buying up corporations and property like crazy through the 80s (even though it turned out to be the Dutch for some reason).
>>108089304Millennials barely know about him let alone zoomers. It's a weird video. I know about it since I was into broadcasting as a kid and saw taped copies of it. It being brought back would only be in a bastardized way to get subs on some streaming service.
>>108090760Point to point comms are all encrypted. The Max Headroom hijacking happened because he pointed a signal at a receiver that was more powerful than the PBS/WGN signal. The engineers at WGN noticed immediately and boosted their power, which is why that hijacking was so short. When the pirate moved on to the PBS station, their engineer was far less able to handle the situation. Eventually PBS boosted their signal and he boosted his signal too. Eventually PBS won the battle, probably because he didn't have a transmitter powerful enough or might have been worried that too much power could fry the receiver, making the crime a much larger one.Today the signals are encrypted. An invalid signal is simply rejected. It's only the short path between the transmitter and the antenna where it could be hijacked. Since the two are in the same place, you'd need to gain physical access to the transmitter.
>>108089890People are using it as a brief amusement toy, like a child with the cardboard box at Christmas that loves it for a day and then forgets it the next day. Any real usage for it is being rejected en-masse and it's being mocked relentlessly, and major companies are getting nervous that people aren't adopting it. In a lot of ways it's like when Microsoft tried really hard to push the Kinekt on Xbox 360 for years and nobody gave a shit about it at all or how 3D was pushed everywhere in theaters, TVs and phones but was ultimately rejected by the public. You can't force the public to embrace technology they don't like.>>108090853He's moderately known among millennials, as evidenced by Eminem having him in a music video. Anyone that enjoyed vaporwave in the very early 10s or has even a passing interest in cyberpunk also knows all about him.
>>108090834It's funny to watch movie reaction channels where they watch an 80s movie like Blade Runner and mix up the Japanese influence with Chinese because they didn't live in the 80s Japanification era. Now we're in an era of China panic (and jeet panic but for different reasons than with China or Japan).
Here are some clips from the show.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJP-Ilw_xaYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekg45ub8bskhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHPOgDdlMvk
>>108090790nta but I don't think he's talking about spreading it, he's talking about making it. One video on /wsg/ and if it's good, people will care.>build it and they will comeFor the record, I could see it really catching on if you mixed in a little moonman, made him unfathomably based. Just be careful if you plan on going the LORA route, or it will get co-opted and warped so horribly you'll kill the character for all time
>>108090883>movie reaction channels where they watch an 80s movie like Blade Runner and mix up the Japanese influence with ChineseKek is that a thing? How in the fuck can people even confuse the two? So many of those movies are blatant with their Japanese culture. I love movies with that Jap panic stuff too but it's hard to find beyond well known examples like Blade Runner or Alien. I think Max Headroom is probably the only piece of media from that time where the main plot is about the perceived strong influence of Japan on the world.
>>108090883>>108090897How in the hell did they have a Jap panic? Wasn't Japan doing business with them at the time? So profit went both ways, right? How about the 90s, how did they not see a Japanese decline coming?
>>108090883>read the article to see if they mention their actual problem with Japanese culture>"ethnic purity is bad!">eyes look to the bottom of the page>"Marxism Today"Every fucking time
>>108090897Though a completely different genre, Gung-Ho is another one. The Japanese take over a US car company and the slobbish Americans can't handle the Japanese way of doing things. That one has a "we can all get along" ending to it, so while it reflects the anxiety of the time, it had a hopeful ending.As for mixing Japan and China, for people not into anime, China is such a huge contemporary concern that anything that shows an Asian country culturally dominating the west is going to be mistaken for China by those of limited understanding. I should point out that the glass factory in my town in Michigan now routinely lists understanding Mandarin as a job requirement. It's understandable why some would be primed to see Chinese domination in place of Japanese domination.
>>108090897Back to the Future Part II has itMarty's boss is japman in tokyonot a big part but its therethere's also Part I where past Doc can't believe that japs make a good camera in 1985 or something>>108090928The yen was strongJaps were doing to us what we're doing to them now, I can't say how true it is, I wasn't there, but there is a trope about japs tourists in groups with cameras flashing them at everything when they came to visit back then
>>108089304He appears or is referenced every so often (Eminem video, Channel 4 idents, Matt Freyer cameo in Altered Carbon).>>108089519Like this retarded zoomer correctly points out though he's weirdly obscure for something that was quite a big deal at the time. Even people my age (late gen x) that were around at the time don't seem to remember him.
>>108090928What's interesting is that the reaction was mixed. The US was losing industries to Japan but at the same time, Americans were not really hostile to Japanese culture. Adding a Japanese flavor to things happened often and people did buy products from Japan. It was mostly heavy industries like automobile manufacturing where people got upset over losing to Japanese brands. All that aside, for anyone interested in Max Headroom, the movie that lead to the tv series is available for free https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZY-yQYVf38It's somewhat low budget but fitting for the material.
>>108089643>>108089746Anybody who does do something just gets banned.
>>108090928People were fearful of the Japanese buying up all the property and business, essentially a "they took er jerbs" kind of panic. The Japanese were also making excellent cars which scared American auto makers and they were also producing some of the best electronics in the world; especially TVs, CD players, laser disc, cassette oayers, amplifiers etc so that had American manufacturers nervous too. Infact, some shows like That 70s Show even reference Japanese cars and their threat to domestic manufacturing. >>108090943Yeah beat me to it, I remembered BTTF II just as I was typing about Japanese electronics and Marty saying "All the best stuff is made in Japan, Doc" when he's in the 50s.And he's right, Japanese made audio equipment from the 70s and 80s remains the gold standard even now. Things started to falter in the 90s though and it was mostly because they stopped innovating. Their main claim to fame was making things smaller and making things extremely high quality, but that stagnated over time.
>>108090948He was huge as Coke's spokesman but that didn't last more than a few years. The tv show didn't last all that long either. A difference of just a few years is the difference between living through the fad and never seeing it other than a few stray references here and there.
>>108090948>how could people not remember this obscure thing that was on british television half a century ago?Maybe you'll find more people to talk to about it in your retirement home.
>>108089674>>108090834>>108090893I forgot non UK anons mostly know about Max Headroom from the sci-fi show that was made after the original music video show got cancelled.
>>108090972Which show are you referring to? The music video show was on for three years here (UK) on Channel 4, which at the time was an edgy youth channel and he was a big deal. The US sci-fi show came later and it was fine but nothing special.
>>108090981My point was that it wasn't obscure at all at the time. He was appearing in commercials and music videos, but got forgotten about overnight.
>>108090982Yeah in Australia he was mostly know for the sci-fi show and not the music videos show. What's really interesting too is we had 3 episodes that didn't air anywhere else in the world and only eventually appeared on the DVD release a long time later. The reason being that we did a "burn off" so the final 3 episodes got aired here, though I have no idea why the US and UK didn't get to see those 3 final episodes during the original run.The scripts for planned but unproduced episodes are also around online and they're pretty interesting too.
>>108090883>>108090897I dunno, the dingy neon lights city aesthetic you see in cyberpunk setting is something I associate more with Hong Kong so I think I can see why
>>108090982As far as I know, the music show never made it over to the US. The movie was even remade with mostly US actors. Edison/Max and Fiona were kept for the US remake but other than some special effects, it was mostly reshot.
>>108090996Do you remember any of the storylines? Given the time period, I could see some of the topics the show touched on being an annoyance for tv executives.
>>108091006It was just sort of popular across Asia at that time really. Tokyo was absolutely filled with neon and pretty much still is to this day.
>>108089304Msx headroom wasn't an ai though. So far ahead room of his time people don't even remember the point
>>108091006Yeah, it's a reminder that everyone comes to experiences with their own context, which often leads to bad interpretations. The diner scene in 'Five Easy Pieces' is one of those things that is difficult for modern audiences to understand as they didn't live through the 'food system' fad that swept over the industry in the 60s.
>>108091022From memory, one was a Christmas episode that centered around the satellite retirement seen in an earlier episode reoccurring and there was another episode that centered around Theora. There's one or two more but the details have never been found as far as I know. The scripts for those other two have ended up online in full at least, I saw them on some old fan blog a long time ago.
>>108091024The Japanese focus on high tech at the time also added to the mystique. Times Square and Piccadilly Circus both have plenty of neon and video boards but don't invoke the same feel as your photo, even though one of the biggest ads in it is for potato chips.
>>108091038Max Headroom absolutely was an AI. That was the whole point.
>>108091043What's the 'food system' exactly? Was it just about restaurants being difficult by only allowing set menus and no custom changes?
AI's ability to produce semi-realistic video would make a modern Max Headroom difficult because how do you make the Max character obviously computer generated but also beyond state of the art?
>>108089746>AI was gatekept and could have been developed earlierThe transformer architecture behind LLMs was laid out in 2017. However we only started to get useful LLMs in 2023 because over those 5 years, processors got fast enough and RAM sizes increased enough to make the training of larger models feasible. AI is/was a hardware-constrained field.>AI could literally improve itself over timeEh you can incrementally improve an AI (i.e. learning) but you quickly hit a ceiling that is a function of the model size and dataset size.
>>108091073Yes. McDonald's "Speedy System" cut costs and massively increased efficiency. Other industry segments like diners tried to adopt their own streamlined system that didn't really work all that well with customer expectations. It's the main reason why Burger King's "Have it your way" ad campaign and policy became such a huge hit. Zoomers in particular have an extremely difficult time believing that you couldn't have everything customized however you wanted it.
>>108091095Weird, I never even thought about this. I grew up in the 90s and even to this day I'm sheepish about making any requests about menu items, but mostly because I felt like it would be an inconvenience to them.
>>108089304People who are sedated in their recommendation bubbles are never going to come across it.
>>108090982Yeah it was pretty geeky, even back then. Bryce Lynch was so cool i remember
>>108091450Due to the Coke ads, Max Headroom was popular with normies in addition to geeks. I was jealous of Bryce's lab. Sound Blaster's talking parrot likely was inspired by Bryce's.
>>108090714Fuck off.
>>108091801no
>>108090883the difference is China isn't a vassal of the US whose entire economy can be instantly and permanently buckbroken the moment Nintendos get too expensive for the average goy in suburban Milwaukee
>>108091110How would it inconvenience them if it's what they're paid to do bruh
>>108089304do u guys remember that one time someone broadcasted some stupid shit for 7 seconds in one particular city almost 50 years ago? wow that was EPIC for the win
>>108090883So rather than confronting and absorbing Japanese culture, the same intellectual elite decided instead to acceed to Middle Eastern cultures. Was this a better thing to do??
>>108090709>encourages people to force memesngmi
>>108090930>retarded /pol/tard can't readEvery fucking timeThe article is not about Japanese culture, RETARD
>>108092428all memes are forced. It's all a subconcious grab at fame. Shitposting was the only real deal.
>>108092357That's not what OP is referring to, retard
>>108091597The original music video show was for normies. It came on at 6pm on ac Saturday when there was fuck all else on the other three channels available (that's all we had been then) so pretty much every teenager watched it. The sci fi drama came later and was more of a geek niche.
>>108092757sorry gramps wasnt born in the great depression to see some shit that aired on tv for a combined 3 hours in the early 80s.
The end credits theme is great, would love to hear an extended version remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YVckALJQW8The TV series was some of the best true cyberpunk on television - I caught it in reruns on the SciFi channel in the 90s.
Imagine being this >>108092357 stupid.
>>108089746>AI was gatekept and could have been developed even earlier than 2010Most of the math for AI was developed from 1960-1980. Transformer architecture in 2017. AI winter was caused by a lack of hardware capable of doing the needed computations quickly enough. Knowing the math doesn't help much, if it'll take a trillion years of compute time and a trillion times the RAM you actually have to use it. Hardware had to increase in power substantially to make it viable.That being said, it is absolutely possible that the military had some forms of AI prior to the public, since they have all the cool supercomputers.
>>108089304>PLEEASE MAKE THIS A VIRAL MEME GUYSNo.>WHAT THE HECK FUCK ZOOMERSSuck a tail pipe giga loser.
>>108089304How is this /g/ay related?
>>108089304Max Headroom peaked with Coke commercials. I think they made a movie of some shit but never watched it. Just Hollywood canniballizing any viral IP until the bones are picked clean.
>>108094950It's the best thread in the Catalog right now.
>>108089304I think you got the answer here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsDrXc94NGUtl;dw: americans are mindless consumerists that don't understand anything, and don't really care if they are being manipulated. in fact, they enjoy being manipulated. also, american companies will always destroy everything. or that's my interpretation.
>>108094598Some people have used AI to remove talking and sound effects from the music to release a soundtrack, but it's behind a paywall as usual. It made heavy use of the Fairlight CMI and the AHHH sample which I always thought was cool.
>>108091062He was a brain scan applied to a virtual avatar, more like a vtuber than an AI.
>>108096230Remember the ep with a scam funeral home that offered to make immortal avatars of dead loved ones and it turned out just to be shitty low rez scans that parroted the same thing over and over again like brain dead Eliza tier chatbots. Max did have the ability to become his own man, as it were, and the brain scan was his framework he built on by learning etc - a kind of hybrid being but autonomous and not a simple puppet.
>>108089304>Max HeadroomLmao, okay Unc
>>108096576I only watched the original movie and the occasional episode, I need to go give it a proper viewing one of these days.
>>108096230He was an AI. He was a brain scan as the start and grew his own memories, feelings and decisions that were independent and often in contrast with Edison. The episode like >>108096576 mentioned is further proof since they were scans too but could only parrot the information they started with and couldn't grow or change over time like Max.>>108096667Definitely worth watching, the series goes deeper into everything and explores themes like AI, invasion of privacy, consumerism etc and does a good job. Security Systems is a really good episode since it's about an AI surveillance system that operates nationwide and tracks people in real-time and has the ability to frame people by altering records.
>>108094643ofc it is. it always was. most tech is gatekept by the elite until all the normies finally get an ersatz copy.
>>108089304Same reason why Tesla or any other car company did not re-release the 1982 Pontiac Trans-Am with AI voice, self driving, and smartwatch voice commands. Companies are just retarded.As for Max Headroom, he did get a TV ad a few years ago when the UK was switching over to digital tv only:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EALfyrnQRB0>>108090995I wish Art of Noise would re-release their Laserdisc/VHS live video, the VHS has awful quality and the Laserdisc was made in PDO UK so you practically cannot find a copy that's still playable or doesn't have quality loss (LD was analog video, any damage to the disc and you get visual artifacts).It has an intro by Max Headroom:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xSQwMZYsuk
