32gb kits were 550 usd just two days agoNow 300-350Why
bubble is starting to pop, maybe.
>>108089826>bought in at the top againJUST
>>108089826Likely, many of the data center orders are being cancelled, resulting in supply being freed for making consumer DIMMs.
There isn't a market for RAM at those high prices. Datacentres aren't buying RGB gaymer DIMMS.
>>108089826Maybe those Chinese DRAM manufacturers scared just a bit?PPP has graphs and it appears the price is stabilizing. Maybe deep discounts will follow?
>>108089879>Over drafted orders.>Not enough >>108089881clear development on breaking real ground for data centers.>The ai scammers have already gotten paid and have mentally checked out.
>>108089826Bitcoin's assfucking dragged down all the parasitic jewish speculative dropshipping scalping bubbles along with it
>>108089921Kek, probably.
>>108089826>sell ram>have legitimate shortage>know public knows about shortage>raise prices far higher than necessary>nobody buys>
>>108089826it's the new paradigmgas prices here shoot up and downbuying gas feels like trying to gauge a market where fomo and similar dynamics are at play with every fillupnow we're seeing it in ramgouging will be done where possible in the new environment of no rules based order or signs in the window
>>108089921God bless. I'm always happy to see crypto take a hit to the groin.
>>108089950i dont believe you are old enough to drive.
>>108089826Becase that's how it always moves. Look left.
>>108089867First sell off
>>108089950>no rules based orderget a load of this retard
>>108089826did waitGODS... win?
>>108089881>Datacentres aren't buying RGB gaymer DIMMS.While this is true, because of supply/demand pressures if a portion of the production is being freed up for consumer DIMMs over server RAM, then the pressure of supply will lessen allowing the prices to drop.
>>108090028yeah there's no media attention or enthusiasm, normies definitely don't know what ChatGPT and Grok is.
>>108089826>Prices fell offFucking called it from the beginning. Yet you fags took the bait and still bought it when it was the most expensive.
What will I complain about now?????
>>1080901642 more weeks and you will finally be able to buy right waittroon?
If demand truly remains consistently high then new production lines will be spun up to fill it. You just have to wait. Maybe a few months or a few years, but good things will cum.>>108089933>what is supply and demand?Truly, a question for the ages.
>>108089826Nobody was buying that shit at those prices and stuff like that takes up physical space that could be used for product that makes you money. Memory is going to be fucking poison before the year is out.
>>108089826Production started catching up to meet demand. This is what always happens. China starting to pump up production probably also kicked some asses too.
>>108089879>>108089826>>108090068>>108090222Retailers and DIMM vendors have seriously overplayed their hand.RAM has maybe doubled in terms of the actual modules yet retail DIMMs quadrupled. Thay pricing is not about a real shortage but everyone wanting to take advantage.People for some reason are stupid to believe price increases are from one reason and one reason alone, they cant fathom that mutiple parties may want a piece of the crisis and not let it go to waste. Production and supply was never actually that dire.Prices are going to have to cool because after the initial shock, other companies are going to see that Corsair, Gskill, etc are making mad margins from panic and those companies would rather cool pricing then loose sales.Retail is incentivzed to drop because it's likely hurting sales for other components and holding inventory isn't a good thing.Don't buy now, wait till that shit actually comes back to down to prices to a year ago.
>>108090023$ per gb meeting 2009 level is not reassuring
Prices are going down because I bought a kit of overpriced RAM just like with everything else I buy it goes down in price and if I sell it goes up no need to thank me
>>108090023Is this adjusted for inflation?
>>108089826>WhySupply and demand.YOU FUCKING RETARDS NEVER LEARN. YOU DESERVE SKY-HIGH PRICES. FUCK YOU VERMIN.
>>108090235>People for some reason are stupid>for some reasonYeah. The reason is that you actually think brown subhumans are equal to you. That means you are equal to a rapist. Vermin.
>>108090247Welcome to the post-Moore's law shitscape. Took you a while to notice you were here.>>108090531>Real $Not shadowstats inflation adjusted, but they put some kind of compensation on it. If it was shadowstats the line would just be straight down since 2000.
>>108090559Let me tell you this:I bought 2 TB SSD for $200 some 5 years ago.Then a few years later it dropped down to $100.I "learned" from my mistake so I held off on buying when it was cheapest, waiting until it would go cheaper.Now it's $500.In short: FML
>>108090023How many more years until the next one that's just as bad or worse?
>>108089826bitcoin is unprofitable to mine
>>108090088>Xir thinks ram prices are going down once ai dies. Poor deluded young fool. AI is just an excuse, what don't you understand about "you'll own nothing and you'll be happy"
>>108090235Well, yes, this is also true. But also supply chain cuts mean that a doubling of price at one end doesn't turn out as a doubling at the other end.The reaction at retailers was too high regardless.
>>108089933This. The price is what the market will bear.
>>108090235>wait till that shit actually comes back to down to prices to a year agoThat'll never happen. There'll be a big drop, but prices won't return to what they were. Eventually the drop from the absurd peak will become so large that people will see it as a great deal and start buying in again, at which point that will become the new normal. It happened with CPUs when AMD took the performance lead and no longer needed to price aggressively, it happened with GPUs after mining/the coof and it'll happen here too. And people will defend it ("muh inflation" and so on) once it reaches the pricing they can afford, even if it's still 30% higher than six months ago.
>>108090610after 15 years of keeping track of PC hardware, the answer is and always has been to buy whatever you want when you have the disposable income. tangentially, never time the market. applies to all fields.
>>108090713Klaus Schwab came out not long ago and said countries that didn't flood themselves with third worlders are doing better than those who did.
>>108090782>never time the marketyeah but in finance this means to spread out your buy/sell actions across time and let them average out. So how do I apply this to purchasing hardware? Do I buy 5GB of RAM every month for a year to end up with 60GB RAM? Pls xplain
>>1080898261:chinese ram2:Nvidia bailed on the deal with OpenAI and publicly decried that AI is basically dogshit.
>>108090912source on the Klaus Schawb thing?
>>108089826>CrucialClearance sale, move along.
>>108089867>>108090028I hate the fact that nobody can seem to agree on whether or not this is a bear trap or bull trap
>>108089826>PUSKILLToo bad prices are so high, I'd be in the market for Pussy Killer Ram
>>108089826The suppliers haven't reduced their prices.
>>108089826the top ram has been that price or higher for a while now. It hasn't gone down much.
>>108090514can you invest in oracle, amazon and google to cause the ai bubble to burst instantly pls?
>>108089826It's tax return season and RAM isn't the only thing being temporarily reduced in price.
>>108089826There's only so much demand outside of the scalper faggots driving arbitrage
>>108089826>Cost of a 5090 is $2k>Cost of a 5090 but for AI is $40k>Realize the difference between the two is like a thousand dollars of RAM chips>Realize NVIDIA is scalping customers with 2000% profit>Realize you can scalp NVIDIA if you buy up all the RAM
>>108091093Source is Klaus Schwab
>>108089933>know public knows about shortagecompletely irrelevant, retard. this isn't some conspiracy or trickery.if there are enough people to buy their supply at a higher price, they raise the price. it's not that complicated.there have been cancellations in planned data centers, so the demand went down.
>>108092928also there will probably be an oversupply as well as production has been increased to meet the grown deman which has collapsed by now.it's called the bullwhip effect.
Can't see any drop in here. It's the same as last week
>>108089826So.....i win by doing absolutely nothing?
>>108091152It's clearly a bull trap.
>>108093005Take my gold, kind stranger!
>>108091152I think we're a bit after the "media attention" phase for it to be a bear trap.
>>108089876holy bestest goy
>>108089826The market will ALWAYS correct itself. All you had to do was wait a few months. Zoomer doomerist fags spamming about muh rampocalypse were being retarded as usual
>>108089826>Now 300-350>Check local stores, cheapest DDR5 kit is 459€Cool story bro
>>108089826Panic buying creating a short term trend, it's not going to down-down, but it's slipping.Personally I'm waiting on storage drives going down.
>>108093181just buy on amazon?
When the price goes too high, people just stop buying them. When people stop buying them, even a small trickle of supply adds up and so the prices come back down. It's a supply and demand thing.
>>108089970If you bought crypto every time it took a hit to the groin you'd be rich.
>>108092928This is a retarded over simplification. Consumer perception can create shortages out of thin air when they buy the products they think has a shortage. Think about gas. If everyone thinks there is a shortage of gas, they will go out and buy gas, fill up all their tanks, and then create an actual shortage at the pump even if there was no real shortage of gas.
>>108093377Better yet, just buy and claim it never arrived
>>108093410This, remember toilet paper?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I SHOULD HAVE SOLD MY 5800x3d
It was never that bad to begin with it. if you're building a gaming pc you probably afford an extra $100 for RAM, so 32GB went from like $150 to 250, big deal. people were panick-mongering with screenshots of 128-512GB ECC kits, of course those are expensive as shit.
>>108093726show nose
>>108089826oh boy only $300Lucky us
>>108090247They figured out that they can financialize compute power and turn it into currency at the end of 2008, and ever since inflation has is correlated with increasing compute power.The latest AI trend is just an attempt to make a more sophisticated compute->$ ecosystem.
>>108091164You think the chink who registered that trademark was dyslexic and meant psu-kill instead?
>>108093796Not really because crypto mining is more power limited than wafer limited. Crypto miners actually run their hardware and intend to achieve roi. AI scammers are running a .com bubble type scheme where they profit from the build-out rather than operation. Because the actual operation can't make money. They're bidding for insane amounts of hardware and giant facilities they can't afford to run.
>>108089867
>>108089826Wow I build my computer 8 years ago and used my old ram and new one for it and have like 64GB of RAM. I did not buy newer matching ones back then because 200 Euros was to greedy for 32 GB in my eyes. What tf is going on with them now
>>108091293Sorry I just spent $8500 dollars recently I kinda too low on cash $4500 on a PC and $4000 getting my roof fixed from a water leak
>>108089826noooooooooo, gooooy! you need to buy at 700$ and wait until 2029 for the prices to go down, please understand we need your shekels it will be worth it I promise
>>108089826> 64GB G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO DDR5-6000 DIMM CL30is still a fucking thousand €uros here but> 64GB Kingston FURY Beast schwarz DDR5-6000 DIMM CL30 Dual Kitis to be had for €770, from Mindfactory in case you are interestedI paid €235 last year for 64GB G.Skill DDR5-6000 DIMM CL28 (!)which is currently sold for €1.145 here
>>108093873We are way beyond "Enthusiasm". The banks refuse to give Oracle-Larry any more monies for his data centers. They are sobering up.
>>108093899
>>108093873Bear trap was last April. We're fully into the greed / bull trap segment.
>>108090704cope.2009: started mining bitcoin2025: still using bitcoin profits to invest in real estate (just bought my third property)
>>108091152Bear trap. After the initial pipe dream and magic wearing off, we are in the very beginnings of learning to use AI properly, but in the long run it will be extremely valuable, as you can see in the job market. Multi-agent systems are in their infancy. Human input is the bottleneck holding back AIs potential. Once we learn how to put them together better and get rid of the last bits of human supervision, the value will explode along with the price of memory.
>>108090184I will just keep waiting.
Panicans BTFO once againI got a 5070 ti for $829.99I got 64GB DDR4 for $199.99Then I started panicking about storage, thinking we're gonna have a cloud-only DRM hellscape and I need to preserve as much media as possible because you don't want a fully internet-dependent computer.So I bought a 32TB HDD for $300. Probably not the best move lmao
Supply and demand is a bullshit concept as presented usually. Speculation is everything. Speculation on supply leads to an inflated demand based only on that speculation, and once the hype dies down from the speculators prices go back down. Perceived supply and hype in a hyper connected world is the problem.
because there was never a shortage. they just pushed that story out into the media so they could do some price gouging
>>108091624>out-jewing the jewkek
>>108095930Oh there's a real shortage, but it's being created with leveraged monies from the AI circular funding pool. Hardware vendors are always the ones who walk off with the bulk of the cash when tech bubbles burst.
>>108096006It doesn't make sense to have shortages on all types of ram and storage media. Why would datacenters use laptop RAM and SD cards?
>>108095773> 32TB HDD for $300> 32TB> for $300
>>108089826openAI going bankrupt, the supply shortage is fake
>>108089876I want to thank you for keeping the lights on in Korea.
>>108096186If they have the option to produce less of that and more of something more profitable, why wouldn't they?
>>108090023It's disingenuous kikery to compare it based on storage capacity. It doesn't account for downscaling. You probably eat children.
>>108089876Time to sell!
How much can I still sell my 8GB of DDR2 800mhz RAM for?
>>108089826If sellers see that their stock is just going to sit there and not move, then they gotta lower the price to make it sell. This is basic economics.
>>108096951For just the ram, maybe $15. If you have any Core2quad cpus you can pair with it, maybe $35.
>>108090164All you fucking retards ITT are the ones who toop the bait. OP is a lying fag and/or dipshit. Look at the screenshot.>6000MHz CL36>6400MHz CL32>4800MHz CL38 (lmfao)This is undesirable RAM and has been in the 300s-400s all along. Look at 6000MHz CL60 and it's still $550 for 32GB
>>108097820I meant 6000MHz CL30
>>108090184This post reeks of $500 RAM buyer cope.
>>108089879>Likely, many of the data center orders are being cancelledkek no. Amazon just announced another massive build out.>>108089881True but it effects the availability of the parts that go on the DIMMs
I don;t care about modern latest gayimg rigs becaus elatest modern gayming rigs are just as much cloud clients via steam as are shitty laptops with copilot and onedrive. Anything serious like LLMs is better done on local servers anyway not the box under the desk. Beast desktop builders have been retarded consumer for a while. Its retards like youtube grufter video editors that think they need 192 core and an LLM capable CUDA core count to edit 144 video of them so people can really see all their pimples while they grift and similar spastics. For a LONG time now shit has settled on 1080P and even fairly old stuff can do that at max. There are very very few applications at all that can use 64 or 128GB of DDR5 in a desktop (with a single PSU kek) as opposed to a server. All this shit is clown computing, anything with LED fans one PSU and a applefag type glass case with a 1000$+ Nvidia GPU and steam installed is clown show computing for tards. The problem is that latest hardware means latest OS and latest OS means cloud, spyware or at best shit like must SU repositories. It's all garbage. Win11 or some thrash like Linux Mint is NOT better than XP/Win7/SUSE or even pared down win10. Cloud based gaymind is the new meta for the slop sellers. You may as well me on a shitty throwaway laptop as some space heater pile of shit with glowing lights you got as an imaginary status sysmbol.You want tech status show me your fibre channel raid array and blade server or fuck off kiddo.
>>108090222All the RAM companies said they weren’t scaling up production.
>>108089867whats happening with consumer ram , has nothing to do with this, all thats happened is a consumer panic buy, and now that the rush is over and people have bought the ram they need, nobody is buying, supply barely changed over the last 6 months, this whole thing has been fabricated, the proof is that used ram barely changed until early this year ,when all of the niggers caught wind of it, and even so nobody is buying.if it were a real shortage ram would be hard to find no matter where you look for it.
>>108089826my ddr3 ram kits were expensive when i built it
>>108089826Last week both Nvidia and OpenAI started to downplay AI.Nvidia said you can't just rely on AI for your engineering needs.OpenAI said that the age of making big models by just bloating with data is over. I also heard that Oracle fucked up with their AI related ventures, but I didn't look into much detail.AI is here to stay and it can be useful, but the initial gold rush is ending and the data center bubble is popping. I think hardware will get significantly cheaper in the next 6 months.If you own FANG stocks, it might be a good time to exit.
>>108093005If you wait long enough, the bodies of your enemies will pass by in the river
>>108096559There is no downscaling. They're all competing for the same wafers.
>>108089881>Datacentres aren't buying RGB gaymer DIMMS."RGB gaymer DIMMS" place demand on the same finite DRAM capacity as everything else
>>108089876Thank you for your service, goy.
Good news everyone, there isn't enough power generation capacity to support massive data center expansion. Turbines and gas engines are backlogged by years.Small modular reactors aren't yet ready for prime time.
>>108099750Too bad they're building the data centers anyway.>build data centers full of bleeding edge tech>its obsolete tech by the time they can turn them onFucking clown world.
>>108089826>WhyChina. Western aligned nations are no longer the sole providers of RAM. The plan to force everyone to use VMs hosted in data centers becomes impossible if there are hardware manufactures willing to sell to individuals, and that's what happened.No than Xi Jinping for saving your freedom.
>>108095773Did you buy a used seagate Exos for the HDD?If so, how loud is it? Ive seen it have a good price/TB but have seen people complain about it being loud since they're mainly made to be put in datacenters/serverracks anyway
>>108089826That honestly sucks but> Still selling them 2*16GB DDR5 6000 kits for 800€ on ebay.Glad the memo didn't reach them all ;P
I have decided to financial support China computer products. I was pushed into this decision by my fellow Americans and I am not happy about it.
I haven't seen cheap RAM anywhere
>>108100012>scalpers buy the toplol get fucked
>>108099955CXMT has been selling RAM since 2015. Nothing has changed retard. CXMT also announced it's not going to drop prices.
>>108096186If the AI stuff isn't the exact same consumer chip soldered onto a different board with more testing, it is the same root fab capacity.It is the memory manufacturers running at 100% utilization; and they don't want to add capacity in case this pops and they have billions in equipment they can't pay for. In any case, any fab space they build would only come online a couple years hence.
>>108093726Nigger 32gb kits pushing 500 euros FAGGOT FUCK
>>108095773>>I got 64GB DDR4 for $199.99So slow omg
>>108101752People who buy XMP/EXPO scam ram deserved to be swindled imo
>>108090184>geg>coalsonYou have to be 18 to posts here.
Ram prices are currently in the first sell off. We will be entering the next phase of mania now prices have dropped a little and retail moves into the market stomping all over one another to get their hands on a little ram driving prices ever higher. I expect a peek of around $1000/gig coming somewhen between the 5th and 7th month of 2027 before drops in price coming around 2028 with the bottom of the market hitting around Jan 2029 as people move onto the next big thing.
>>108095749dotcom bubble didn't happen because internet was overhyped without merit. It happened because companies abused the hype to rip off investors without actually doing anything useful with the money to capitalize on the Internet's potential.
>>108093861>They're bidding for insane amounts of hardware and giant facilities they can't afford to run.Those facility are environmentally destructive, in Canada we pay ecofee on computers, even computer mouse, I think a steep AI tax will solve a lot of problems, not only in limiting the environmentally destructive AI data center, but limit breach of privacy, customer being blocked from resolution by AI, job losses, etc. A tax on automatic check-out makes sense too, see, Walmart have been clogging up the court system with theft charges at the automatic check-out, for real, and extortion / customer error, they make private profit from cutting jobs while increasing the public cost in their use of court.
>>108103326>tax me harder daddyHow about just don't print money and hand it to tech companies to fuck around ruining the environment?
>>108103347We SHOULD use tax to to make those who cost all of us more pay. Instead of taxing middleclass and working class cars though gas tax though< I believe in MASSIVELY taxing Ai, self-check-outs, and private jets and yachts, not just purchases but use of airspace, that tax should also go towards enforcement -- why should people taking private jet be exempted from security check the rest of us go through? How many kids were trafficked to the Trump-Epstein Island because the rich escape security checks on their private jets and yachts?
>>108103447>why should people taking private jet be exempted from security check the rest of us go through?People on private jets are people who know each other or have mutual trust. People that you trust not to be a terrorist.Passenger jets are 200+ strangers on a plane and airport security doesn't necessarily stop trafficking or is the main objective, it's mostly there so you don't get blown up.
>>108089867Its about to. Basically every major company and many governments in the world have bet on profits that can't possibly materialize.The hardware doesn't exist > the infra/necessary energy stack doesn't exist > the datacenters don't exist > the demand does not exist > the money does not exist > the projected profits are quite literally impossibleWe are globally reaching critical mass pretty much. Its a total phantom economy built on a non existing product propped up ENTIRELY by circular capital. This could only go one way from the start, and we're getting close to the result now.The Western economy has essentially ponzi scheme'd itself.I suspect BRICS is going to swoop in and the geopolitical power is going to shift massively.
>>108103563It's not for the safety of the techbros on board that we should have security check, it's for the people on the ground, it's for the safety of their destination so they don't smuggle something dangerous, it's for the safety of children who could be trafficked.
>>108093873you wish lmao
>>108099914they couldn't care less because it's not their money
>>108103874>third world shitholes will suddenly become rich overnight despite producing nothing other than natural resources and sweatshopslol cope
>>108103447You will never tax the rich in a fake money system.
>>108105175what did he mean by this
