>use Emacs, contribute to it, and do tutorials on his website and YouTubeOkay, that part is great>blame the linux faakAIDSRight, but what technology should we use to protect our privacy and freedom to edit code and inspect it?>Use WEFdows, praise PowerShell and other proprietary software.Ok, but why do you blame Linux community for their ethics when you praise these kinds of software???
who?
>>108092755xah lee, it's a guy who own a website where he share tutorials about programming languages, technology and GNU Emacs, his website is very great don't get me wrong, but his opinions is nonsense
>>108092780chinkneese right?they have problems with fluid intelligence, i dont know whywhat arguments can you even do for powershell? two times i had to use it it was fucking aidseven the fucking default color scheme is toxic to my retina, its kinda funny
>>108092674Powershell 7 is open source.Dotnet core is open source. >>108092824>two times i had to use it it was fucking aidsYou aren't qualified to give an opinion on something you've only used two times after spending literally your entire life using the alternative (bash). No wonder it feels unfamiliar. The learning curve is incredibly steep coming from Unix mentality of "everything is a string".
>>108092849surecan you do stdout to stdin redirect in powershell? im curious
>>108092872Yes, you can do that.But chaining external binaries (.exe) that output text is not typical for powershell. It's designed around chaining cmdlets that output structure objects.
>>108092849Dotnet is open source, but every technology of Microsoft encourages proprietary software. I mean, they just want to attract "open source enthusiasts" to learn their language, and after that, they recommend only proprietary environments.Also he praises another proprietary software like Wolfram. My point is that you can't blame the Linux community for their cult attitude when you use those proprietary spyware.
>>108092925>Yes, you can do thathow?>>108092929i dont know what is it with people giving benefit of the doubt to all these corporations if you pay even a modicum of attention you will learn about EEE and class action lawsuits and all the scams and you will see some patterns its like a weird anti-contrarianism, some wacky psychological issuesbut i have no idea what causes this
>>108092965what you say is that "there worse thing that spyware", okay its true, but we shouldn't forget that proprietary software remain the main cause of malware and you can't see if its safe or not
>>108093011chang im going to be honest i have no idea what in the fuck you are trying to say here
>>108093052if you are a tech company and want to make a malware and send it to everyone, you won't show the code and say "hey everyone, use my malware its very good". Thats what im trying to say. When you use FOSS software you are sure that its safe inside
>>108093070yea no shitthats one of the main points of OSS and FOSSi wasnt talking about that, i was talking about mentally deficient people that are running PR campaigns for corporations for some reason
>>108093136you answered to the wrong comment then
>>108093150no i dont think sowhatever, who caresautism to autism communication fail
>>108092965>dont know what is it with people giving benefit of the doubt to all these corporations>if you pay even a modicum of attention you will learn about EEE and class action lawsuits and all the scams and you will see some patterns. its like a weird anti-contrarianism, some wacky psychological issuesmeanwhile in real life:>Approximately 80% to 85% of Linux kernel code contributions are made by developers working for corporations. The vast majority of development work is done by paid professionals, rather than independent volunteers. stop projecting your mental illnesses and get a job.
>PowerShell>proprietaryWhat decade is this.
>>108093199cool now show me how much of it is FAGMAN/hardware manufacturers adding support for their hardware/infrastructure? like are we deadass still using this argument? what are we 14?the only reason these homos didnt start an economic war over kernel is because its copyleft and because they will lose community and thus free labor, so legally and politically they cant do shitstop trolling/being a naive retard and get a job yourself
are you retarded or you're finding out about xah lee only now?this nigga has been ranting about "unix FAAAAKHEADS" since before most people on this board were born
of course, being this based was sure to attract hatred from /g/What Xah rightly takes issue with is the unix philosophy and not open source as such. Unwilling to disentangle the two shows a lack of fluid intelligence on your part not Xah's
>>108093414what part of unix philosophy does he not like?
>>108093294i'm not an oldfag sorry
>>108092674What is his website for Emacs tutorials? I've always wanted to use Emacs but it intimidated me so I uninstalled.
>>108093537http://xahlee.info/emacs/index.html, very good tutorial though
>>108092674He's a CCP shill of course he was never based ypu retard. He was just a funny bald tekken programmer.
>>108093543Ty
>>108093414Xah hate open source too, you didn't listen to his lives, he hate UNIX philosophy AND open source
>>108092674>Right, but what technology should we use to protect our privacy and freedom to edit code and inspect it?Mezzano or something like it.https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano
is this guy a lolcow or some shit
>>108093756He's just knowledgeable about some things like emac. It's not much deeper than this.
>>108092674PowerShell is not proprietary also who cares, he can have his own opinions.>>108092824There's no "default color scheme" för PowerShell. PowerShell is a shell like bash or eshell, you can launch it with M x shell .../pwsh.PowerShell feels more like something I'd use as a language than an interactive shell(even though there's the alias system that breaks external programs) so it's easy to shit on it coming from Unix shells>>108092929Isn't that what he is saying "Open-source is now championed by the same companies that were against it few-four decades ago" "Doing open-source projects for free is expected if you wan't to get employed" "Most open-source software is written on the side by already established programmers that have a time and money advantage over the average guy" Basically you're forced to do free work that companies can use for free while trying to software as a small to middle-size creator is being made increasingly impossible.I don't think it's mutually exclusive with free software, maybe with permissive licenses. You can sell GPLd software and make full GPL(not LGPL) libraries that can't be used in proprietary software. Donation models are also becoming popular
>>108093414>>108093498Unix philosophy is really stupid if you know how computers work. Text formats are for humans to read, not for computers.
>>108093756Kill yourself zoomer fucking faggot
>>108093887it seems to be blue most of the time in my experience fucking hate that color>PowerShell feels more like something I'd use as a language than an interactive shellwhy then not use perl or lua or python or fucking literally anythingits windows anyways, not like there is anything useful that is CLI in the ecosystem>>108093926big electron apps with large "do one thing" software buttons are for the kettlei dont want shit like that, i want stringsi want "everything is a file"it allows me to manipulate my system with almost no effortits so fucking convenient to me that i can just print a string into what is essentially treated as a plaintext file and that will change my governor, and i dont need to hunt down some random RAT and bugs filled freeware trash or future abandonware made by the manufacturer so that i can do just that one thing
>>108094062>big electron apps with large "do one thing" software buttons are for the kettleThat's a consequence of the Unix philosophy.>i dont want shit like that, i want strings>i want "everything is a file"You really don't. The alternative is just working with data structures directly and not converting them into strings.>its so fucking convenient to me that i can just print a string into what is essentially treated as a plaintext fileThat's very inconvenient. It's better to have an actual method or function you can call that takes arguments with actual types, and that does the work. Pretending things that aren't files are files is brain damage.
>>108094114>You really don't. The alternative is just working with data structures directly and not converting them into strings.>>its so fucking convenient to me that i can just print a string into what is essentially treated as a plaintext file>That's very inconvenient. It's better to have an actual method or function you can call that takes arguments with actual types, and that does the work. Pretending things that aren't files are files is brain damageok cool so how would that look in practice?lets do the governor example, since im most familiar with ithow would i change my CPU governor in your hypothetical better designed system?
>>108093199100% of work done is done by paid professionals. It isn't work if you aren't paid for it, retard.
>>108093926So write your single responsibility programs to communicate with structured data instead. Nothing says you have to use strings. The reason most of these programs output text is so any one of them can be an endpoint of a script without everyone having to write their own code to render the output. You could argue instead every program should terminate with a call to some visualizer instead of internalizing the visualizer logic but that just makes those programs less portable for humans to use. Maybe with the rise of Agentic AI human readable output is no longer necessary since people can now just tell the AI to do whatever they want and it does it perfectly with no problems and humans have no need to inspect the workings.
>>108092872Yes and it uses the same pipe operator as Unix but instead of hooking up the file descriptors it lossily transcodes to UTF-16 and then back to UTF-8 which silently corrupts binary data.I've only touched PowerShell incidentally but every feature I studied had some kind of edge case flaw like this that makes life harder than it needs to be, it's uncanny. They fixed it now but this one in particular is inexcusable: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/module/microsoft.powershell.core/about/about_parsing?view=powershell-7.5#passing-arguments-that-contain-quote-charactersIt's a shame because the ideas behind powershell seem sound.
>>108092674As you thought maybe.Many Lispers are also Unix haters and if you didn't know that you have to lurk moar.
>>108095161godamn broi always like to say that windows is just a random 80's proprietary operating system with new software slapped on top of itit just reeks of that, like it goes out of its way to be different from UNIX likes and either doesnt have features that operating systems should have or these features are inferior to what has been polished over the decades by open source devs for decades CMD.exe was something straight up from the 70's (not even 80's) and when they finally replaced it they replaced it with this like come the fuck on man, you took over personal computers by force, you have moral obligation to make good operating systems, you ignore it and noone gives a fuck whateverbut you are also trying to push your trash into server operating systems market with this fucking shit as an interface?
>>108092755Xah 'EMAC' Lee also known as EMACMANhttp://xahlee.org/xa/funny/4chan.html
>>108094144>ok cool so how would that look in practice?It looks a lot like a lisp machine. Powershell is basically the Symbolics Genera Listener, only Powershell is based on the dotnet runtime instead of the lispm runtime.
>>108095308We get it, you hate microsoft.
