IPV4>You can change your IP at any time!IPV6>You can not change your IP at any time!The bigger number means it's better and more advanced technology, goyim.Time to switch over and make the leap into the progressive and tolerant IPV6 future.
>>108094931>Time to switch over and make the leap into the progressive and tolerant IPV6 future.Let me guess, you can't even wipe your ass because that's gay? You walk around with feces dripping in your pants because you can't do anything about it since that's gay.You have panic attacks when you see a hotdog.You smashed your alarm clock with a sledgehammer.You can't stand to look at your experience points because the bar is making... progress...Just suck cocks, anon. No one fucking cares. It's ok to be yourself. You don't have to make such a big deal about it all the time. Talk about something else for a change, fucking hell.
>>108094931>You can change your IP at any time!I can only change my IP once every 30 days or pay extra and I need to call my ISP to do it and wait till next week for the change to be applied.
>>108094973based. the goyim are becoming too uppity lately.
>>108094931You mean you don't want all of your devices to be globally routable?
>>108094931IPv6 is the Electric Vehicle of networking >Forced product that no one asked for>Existing solutions already better (hybrid cars and ipv4+NAT)>Espoused by the most annoying people on the planet>Rolled back in all places except where they are forcedGlad it's dead.
>>108094986On the other hand I got my own domain name, uncapped gigabit up/down, and no port filtering at all, for $10/month.
>>108094931yes but doesn't ipv6 solve the nat problem, since all addresses are accessible from everywhere?so I could just create a new fake interface with a new ipv6, and use iptables or simething to redirect traffic through that, so when i connect to some place they think I have that new ipv6 address?
>>108095047sounds like a cope
>>108094931IPV9 is the future.
>>108094931>IPV4>>You can change your IP at any time!No you can't, what gave you that impression?
>>108095086I just want to go back to IPv5 but it's totally memoryholed how did they do that?
>>108094931>IPV6>You can not change your IP at any time!This is one of the big reason why I haven't switched to fibre that all use static ipv6 addresses, with dynamic ipv4 I simply reset my router and voila, google has no idea who I am or where I live.
>>108095323>google has no idea who I am or where I live.Sure they don't...
>>108095335At least not to my knowledge. When they do know, they can pinpoint my location right down to the house number, but when I reset my router they can't even get the right city, which I am happy with.
>>108094931>IPV6>>You can not change your IP at any time!You can, it's even encouraged by the RFC spec, you just have a shitty ISP with a retarded configuration.>>108095010>no one asked forhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4_address_exhaustion>IPv4 + NAT is betterKEK, open a port/expose a service while using NAT, I challenge you.>Rolled back in all placesNo one is rolling back to IPv4, they simply run dual-stack.>Glad it's dead.>46% of the internet (and growing each year) means it's dead.>>108095323IP addresses are not reliable for geolocation, they are reliable only for guessing which country you live in.If you are retarded enough, you can switch to fibre internet and just disable IPv6 at the router level so you'll only connect via IPv4.
>>108095394you cannot change the first 64 characters of your IPV6 address as it's assigned by your ISPIPV6 = globohomo you will own nothing ZOGtechand you are defending it for payment
>>108095358They have plenty ways of tracking that don't involve IP addresses.Cookies obviously but also the WiFi signals in your area and even the way you move your mouse are all part of your digital fingerprint.
>>108095408>you cannot change the first 64 characters of your IPV6 address as it's assigned by your ISPSame story with IPv4.But IPv4's are scarce and cost money whereas IPv6's are essentially free.So if your ISP isn't a cunt it can give you a new random IPv6 every time you restart your modem.
>>108095394>KEK, open a port/expose a service while using NAT, I challenge you.I refuse to believe you aren't anything except a baby. This is the most braindead thing anyone can do.
>>108095461is that the official story el presidente?
>>108095323Wrong
>>108095408Wrong
>>108094931>IPV4>You can change your IP at any time!>IPV6>You can not change your IP at any time!or turn on CGNAT, route consumer's ipv4 into Ipv6, make him believe he has dynamic ip when he doesn't
>>108095408You mean bits, not characters.Thas does depend on your ISP configuration. Some have a dynamic routing prefix, some have a sticky routing prefix, some have a static routing prefix.Also it's not a given that it is 64 bits. I have a static /56, that means that I can change 64 bits of interface ID and 8 bits of subnet ID, I can't change only the first 56 bits.>>108095493Aside from not being able to host services, there are many other disadvantages, like increased latency and reduced performance, it breaks end-to-end connectivity, it can break some VoIP or P2P applications, it breaks packet integrity of IPSec and probably other things I forgot.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-terrell-logic-analy-bin-ip-spec-ipv7-ipv8
>>108095764>You can't host services with NATHoly shit. Can someone get this guy his "dumbest retard" award already?
>>108094931Well, it's a good thing nobody has IPv6 then, I guess!
>>108095394>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4_address_exhaustionJUST TWO MORE WEEKS...They've been talking this "problem" since the mid 1990's, Anon... If they aren't exhausted yet, they never will be.
>>108096185That award goes to (You).If your router configuration is set with IPv4 NAT, then you cannot expose any ports because people over the internet cannot know your internal IPv4 address.Port mapping/port forwarding is something completely different. You define a port or a range of ports to expose and bind them to a specific local IP address. This has to be set manually and is also computationally expensive for the router, it has to analyse every single inbound packet and if a matched port is found, forward it to the correct local IP address.If your ISP gave you a static /24 assigned to your connection, you could DHCP your whole subnet or manually set IPv4 addresses so each device could get a unique address on the internet, no NAT, no port mapping/forwarding, no reduced performance, no increased latency, keeps end-to-end connectivity, keeps packet integrity and so on.All these great things happens in IPv6 if the subnet assigned to a customer is static and at least a /64.>>108096521Dumbass, exaustion happened in 2011.
>>108096185>>108096923Oh, I also forgot...If your connection is behind CGNAT, you cannot ever host services or expose ports, even when you port forward. In this case the NAT happens at the carrier level and you have no control over your ISP equipment.
>>108095394you're right but this point specifically>KEK, open a port/expose a service while using NAT, I challenge you.ISPs are just openly jewing now.>oy vey you need to pay to be put in front of the NAT>but I thought ipv6 was supposed to fix this>STOP NOTICING GOYIM
>>108094931>>108095010>>108095061Is it really a meme? Is IPv4 all you NEED these days?
>>108096923>port forwarding is totally different from hosting a servicewhat is the functional difference here?
>>108096923>Dumbass, exaustion happened in 2011.Then why are we still on IPv4 and not fully on IPv6, Anon? Be serious now.
>>108096923>You can't expose a port because they can't know your internal IP AddressJesus Christ anon. New CS grad? Just a retard? Do you know what nginx is? Do you know the bulk of all THE web traffic on the web is going through a NAT and talking to a private service on a private subnet at some point?
>>108096923There’s a difference between a NAT layer on your router so you can have multiple devices on your network with internet access with a single IP, and CGNAT, where the ISP runs the NAT, cause they’ve not got enough IPv4s to hand out. In the former, it’s really easy to host shit, you still have a publicly reachable IP, you just need to add a reverse proxy or some firewall rules to route stuff appropriately once the packets hit your network.In the latter case, you’re fucked.>>108094931You can, most ISPs aren’t going to bother giving you a static IPv6 prefix, takes up resources unnecessarily keeping track of them. Easier to just hand them out as needed. Worst case it’s MAC based, which can be changed trivially, or it’s done correctly and is completely random aside of the the ISPs own prefix. Ideally, you get an IPv6 /56 prefix, which means you can have practically unlimited unique IPs for every device, and cycle them regularly, and because so many ISPs only give single static IPv6 addresses and require you to NAT anyway (because they’re retarded), there’s no reasonable way to associated that prefix with any one person without extra data. >>108096972Port forwarding is not reliably possible if you’re behind CGNAT, you’d need to punch a hole in their firewall as well, and somehow have their network know that X unsolicited packet is actually for your device and not the thousands of others on the same public IP>>108096977AT&T tried switching it on, but a bunch of their modems had a bugged IPv6 implementation, so they disabled it. Largely it’s due to shitty hardware support. That’s mostly ironed out, so the main blocker is braindead network guys who can’t understand that NAT and Firewalls are not one and the same, and think IPv6 means all your devices are openly available on the internet for anyone
>>108097010obviously if your network edge doesn't have a public address you cant forward ports then, if you want to talk about cgnat say cgnat instead of nat
>>108097010there is no cycle prefix button like with ipv4finally... an internet just like reddit
>Just installed OpenWrt x86>Works OK good but problems with DHCP>Realize other problems exist when reconnecting wireless or even unplugging/plugging back>Waste time messing with firewall rules>Realize IPV6 enabled everywhere - why?>Recall similar issues with a server was fixed by disabling IPV6>Disable all IPV6 on OpenWRT>All problems disappear. Runs faster. Super stable connections. No wifi dropouts. >Average latency dropped 50%+ on latency tests.IPV6 > IPV4, right? I mean they skipped IPV5 and went straight to V6 because it's so good.Just look at the benefits:>IPV6 is a solution to problems nobody has>IPV6 is for people who don't know what a subnet is>IPV6 makes simple network configurations a tedious clusterfuck>IPV6 includes black space within each packet to embed tracking info or other malicious code>IPV6 is not human-readable so it adds a layer of security through obscurityAnd someone actually said that if your network has IPV6 enabled, then the network is improperly configured. Hah. Just activate it!
>>108094931You're retarded
>>108095461No you can't. Your IPV6 address is legally required to have encoded in it a deanonymizer key law enforcement can use to track you. They have contracts with private CORPORATIONS to accomplish this funded by advertising.
>>108095047Just use duckdns for free.
>>108097125concession accepted
>>108097139Hey retard not only are you making shit up, your ISP is logging everything and handing it over to law enforcement whenever they ask regardless of what IP version you're using.
>>108096972You are handicapping your internet connection for nothing, you are breaking end-to-end connectivity.Without NAT, your device IS the IP address.With NAT, your router IS the IP address.With CGNAT, your ISP IS the IP address.>>108096977IPv4 still works mostly thanks to NAT and CGNAT, if IPv6 was invented before NAT everyone would be on IPv6 by 2015.>>108096989>nginxMy issue is way lower level than that.Let's say you know that someone is hosting a web server on port 80 using a device from their home connection behind NAT, you know their public IP address, you know the port, but port forwarding is not set up on their end, you cannot reach the web server because of this.>Do you know the bulk of all THE web traffic on the web is going through a NAT and talking to a private service on a private subnet at some point?I know that, it is why it is so slow and has often high latency. Try to compare pings from IPv4 and pings from IPv6, the majority of the time it is lower with IPv6 because there is almost always no NAT on the current internet protocol.>>108097010>In the latter case, you’re fucked.I know that, I said the same in this post >>108096957>>108097123>Disable IPv6>Runs fasterNo shit, you run single stack instead of dual stack.>All problems disappear. Super stable connections. No wifi dropouts.Just get a toddler router, you can't set up a connection.>IPV5IPv4 is the first version of the internet protocol, IPv6 is the second and current version.IPv1, IPv2, IPv3 and IPv5 are experimental versions that were never adopted.The version numbers are like build numbers you see in software and operative systems, they are the Nth iteration but you get to see only some of the released builds, not every single one.
>>108094931>ipv6i work in IT for a fortune 100 companyi disable that shit every time lmao
>>108097252You should be shot asshole. You setup both
>>108097233>You are handicapping your internet connection for nothing, you are breaking end-to-end connectivity.alas, we live in this world, the real world, with compromises and legacy baggage. theres a million reasons for companies for companies not to implement proper ipv6 for themselves or their customers.
>>108096923>Dumbass, exaustion happened in 2011.IPV4 supports 64bits of addressing with NAT, no there hasn't been exhaustion
v4 or v6 has literally nothing to do with your ability to change the address/prefix, OP is a faggot
>>108097233>IPv4 still works mostly thanks to NAT and CGNAT,Well, yeah. I know that. That's my entire point of my sarcastic comment ("two more weeks"): NAT resolves the issue. If they REALLY wanted to push everyone to IPv6, they'd stop kicking the can down the road and start to exhaust addresses completely and go "oops, no more!" instead of NAT'ing it and making addresses stay available.If anything, I feel like the BIGGEST reason they don't push v6 is due to legacy shit (like games) but that would easily be resolved by 4-to-6 anyway, so it's not like there is any particular GOOD reason to not just go "v4 is depreciated and anything that doesn't support it is no longer our issue" other than a sound rejection/normie braying for blood similar to Win 11's TPM requirements (but that one is stupid as that's MS self-inflected after years of Win10 not slowly asking for it or making OEM's turn it on completely).
>>108095394>KEK, open a port/expose a service while using NAT, I challenge you.Networks do this all the time. I'm confused what you're even trying to convey with this statement? Is port forwarding a complex problem for you? Maybe you should stick to Roblox and hamachi for your dumb ass.
>>108094973i doubt that is necessary. you should be able to change the mac address of your router and restart it
why would it be impossible to change your ipv6 address? it doesn't make sense for an isp to manually assign addresses to your network. if that was true, it would mean that buying a new router would prevent you from connecting to the internet, and your isp would have to dedicate more resources to technicians going out and helping people out
>>108098016>>108097030
im noticing that ipv6 defenders argue like leftists. they have that insufferable, self-satisfied "im on my mac in starbucks" HR karen tone>ipv6's glaring issues make networking a little "spicy" and are a good thing actually!
>>108098163IPv6 literally just works for me. The only device I've ever encountered that doesn't *just work* for IPv6 was my Omada APs, who crash and stop responding after ~3 days if IPv6 is enabled for the management interface.They still pass IPv6 traffic just fine, even if the management interface is IPv4 only.Just what are these glaring issues you're having with IPv6, cause all it does is instead of your router doing NAT, it acts as a firewall and you directly open ports instead of forwarding them.
>>108097139>IPV6 address is legally required to have encoded in it a deanonymizer keyI can find literally nothing on this. I'm thinking you're full of shit
>>108097139Take your meds schizo
>>108098226ipv6 be like>MOM I WANT TO UNBLOCK FACEBERGSTEIN NOW IM 18 YEARS OLD AND I CAN MAKE A GOYGRAM>ok sweetie, just type in a235hjisdfnms:239ujf8an-9uqn0i:038hjhgngn:w308i9fgadfhngids:sd-9uu9u9aer9uibnearv0m:nmvjonasvua9uvnaui9odfnq349=8-v4q3890vnqerw=i9vjnq34908n98aefnvioasdfn-89q43vn98q3n:p3n15iouandfbui to access the parental controls on our router since you're such a big enby now!
>>108098307So you made up a scenario in your head to be mad at?That's a DNS level block, if anything.
>IPV4 VS IPV6 natting is fucking terrible and I am tired of pretending its not. >but I can change my IP No you can't. You just ask the ISP to change your IP which you could do with IPV6. The fact that IPV6 wasn't adopted is what killed the internet. When addresses were plentiful and you got a static address with your internet service you could just setup a website by opening your ports. Yeah you had to deal with DNS but it was cheap and easy. A ton of people just setup a hobbyist site just for fun making the web a fun and interesting place, but then the address space got filled and ISP wanted to make more money so they turned hosting your own site into a separate service. Now setting up your own site cost a lot more and most people just opted out to centralized services. If we had just started with IPV6 they wouldn't have had their excuse. Hell even now the excuse they use for not giving static IPs is retarded. Your DHCP address might as well be static, but the fact that its not guaranteed to be static makes using it that way annoying.
>>108098078And how should that affect an IP manually assigned to specific port on ISPs switch in the basement?
>>108095394>muh exckautistion!cgNAT fixed this.
>>108094931>You can not change your IP at any time!There's no reason that needs to be the case. If there are so many IPv6 addresses there's no reason for them not to assign you a completely random address for every unique MAC you have.
>>108098801except for the prefix that stays the same with every "new" ip you are given by your benevolent and sagacious master like the dog you areIPv4 did not have this issue!
>>108094931My ISP gives me an entire /56 without me even asking for it, are you retarded?
>>108094931Rotating privacy addresses that automatically change in the background are literally part of the IPv6 standard
>>108098750CGNAT doesn't fix shit. It just punts it further down the line to a translation box that translates to a translation box that translates to your private LAN.There are still a finite number of addresses, not to mention it's incredibly fucking retarded to put hundreds of thousands of people browsing 4chan behind a single IP address on a CGNAT box so when one retard gets banned you all do.
>>108098978>just wait a few years bro
>>108098730>IP manually assignedit's not, nigga. there's a reason why isps charge money for static ips. boomers would unplug their routers for the night and now that ip is sitting there reserved and unused. just go and change your router mac address and restart it and then it will change
>>108099011No, really, it's a part of the standard and well supported. You can absolutely change your IP address.OP is a retard that doesn't understand that route/prefix != IP address.
>>108099011IPv6 literally works that way right now today and has since day 1.
>>108099019>there's a reason why isps charge money for static ipsYes that's $2 out of those $10
>>108099025>>108099058>>108097030
>>108099019My ISP uses IPs assigned per MAC address. It's issued via DHCP but it's reserved and practically never changes, plus if the MAC address changes on my side they just block me out entirely and the internet doesn't work.IIRC they have a section on their website where I can log in and change the assigned MAC myself, though I never had to use it since I just configure the right MAC on my own router instead.
>>108099304have you tried going to their portal and changing it and then changing the one on your router to see if that changes the ip?
>>108099350No, I don't think I've ever fucked with it. Mostly because I don't want to end up with my internet not working and needing to call them up because of it if something goes wrong.I don't think I'd get a different IP though, I've been with this ISP for over a decade and IIRC the only time when my IP changed was when my old ONT broke and a guy had to come over to replace it. When installing the new one I spoke on the phone with one of their technicians about how to set it up, he was asking me if I'm alright with getting a different IP from the old one but was saying it would not change going forward. That makes me think they just have the IP assigned to the customer account.
>>108099487sorry, i guess you are rural and use a small isp that doesn't mind micromanaging everyones addresses
I've had fiber for years and my IP has literally never changed ever and could never find an answer whytech nerds explain
>>108099671No I'm not rural, I'm European and I've got a symmetric 1Gbps fiber connection.
>>108099738based isp giving you a static address with gigabit upload speeds for self hosting to defeat the cloud jew
