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i'm surprised this thing isn't massively overpriced. i'd still build my own anyway but props to them for not being gay about it
finally, a modular desktop with replaceable components!
>>108098100/g/ told me to hate it because the founder was a jeet, but it's hard to deny how good it is
>>108098156Lol
>>108098100What's the fucking point? Desktop PCs are already modular. All this is doing is making it modular but with proprietary parts instead of standard ones. Framework's designs make sense for laptops and phones where parts are usually proprietary and non swappable, but they're idiotic on something with standard parts with everything swappable.
>>108098143>i'm surprised this thing isn't massively overpriced.Surprise, it is.
>>108098100Pretty ridiculous.
>>108098245it's a money transfer to Linus & LTT. Otherwise framework as a whole gives you the false dichotomy or illusion of cost saving through repairability
>>108098347Half of that cost is the two 8gb nvmes
>>108098100graphics aren't that great, not worth it for vidyagames over just buying a 4060 and probably not worth it for stable diffusion either.fast memory bandwidth is good for LLMs, but that's less important for current MoE models (vs older Dense LLMs) which can achieve acceptable speeds even on regular DDR5.
Might as well wait for Panther Lake
>>108098100I love it. Its great for Linux, cool for local AI (Massive V/RAM), Great for gaming, Low power, Mesa, ROCm. I WANT IT>>108098143>i'm surprised this thing isn't massively overpriced.Its expensive, but a fine piece of hardware. I just hope that AMD will focus on that tech even more, so it will be more affordable. Steam Machine could have been great, that chip with less RAM and Cores is perfect for handhelds, "consoles" , mini PCs or laptops. I will honestly ditch my GPU in the future for shit like that.
>>108098322How much is that CPU, It has to be up there with the low-end Threadrippers, right? I've never seen anything with 395 AI Max under $2,500 (even barebone products).
>>108098100I'm generating gooner material on one right now!
>>108098633ROCm is still not quite mature with it. You'll need to build wheels manually from the 1151 ROCm build to get shit to work half the time.
>>108098100a niche product for a handful of "rich" enthusiastsIt's more of a Mini PC (an expensive one that is) than a Desktop (no replaceable RAM or even a CPU)
>>108098347thank god the screwdrivers are free.
>>108098347This -> >>108098529
Honestly I like it. It's much faster at doing AI shit than any CPU inferencing setup could be, and I'm not rich enough for Ngreedia's slop.Plus it actually plays games too. If the panther lake one stands up too these APUs could be a nice laptop or lower power headless server all-in-one.
>>108098100small enough to have major heat problems.
>>108098713Let's not forget that ROCm is a steaming pile of shit in generalI know RDNA 2 is far from cutting edge these days, but my RX 6950 XT performs so poorly under ROCm that my Arc Pro B50 that sips 70W straight from the PCIe slot kicks its ass for many tasksVulkan compute is pretty much universally faster than ROCm on that card as wellThere is no excuse
>>108098156this is supposed to compete with strix halo mini pcs dumdum
>>108098100>low effort nothing threadhow did it come to this?
>>108099202wow, a whole form factor for small modular PCs? I've never heard of that before, how cool!
>>108099396you don't know what mini-ITX is?
>>108099427you know of any other mini itx with strix halo?
>>108098100I wanted one but one of the guys on their forum says that he got a defective whiny PSU in his and I don’t want to risk it — their return policy isn’t greatIf I can hear a computer when it’s not under sustained load, the people who made it fucked up big-leagueAlso I like Debian and Debian isn’t one of their supported distros and I’d probably want to use WiFi because I’m low on Ethernet ports
I want to put my 9070xt inside a miniITX build but I doubt it'll do well there.I mean I get really low temps but I'm using a full ATX case with liquid cooling
I bought a framework laptop because laptops have shit repairability and customisation. Desktops don't, why would they work on this instead of the laptops.
>>108099452Minisforum is about to release a board.
>>108099831what do you want to repair? my m1 macbook air works just fine
>>108099831the prebuilt market is bigger than parts, think they want some of thatmaybe people feel they're getting both
>>108099937I know this is b8 but if it was a framework laptop you would be able to put the M5 main board in with a couple of screws and replace the battery while you were at it>>108099941Isn't the laptop market the largest?
>>108098100I'M GOING TO FUCK YOU IN THE BUTT
>>108098633>Its great for LinuxWhich distro, after using Linux over a year now that I own this device I am using Windows since Linux was slow to boot and sleep wasn't working either Debian 13 (technically unsupported but it's more stable so I tried it after fedora) and Fedora 43 which is one of the officially supported distros.
>>108098100Extremely expensive just so you can fit it into a cubby hole. More money than brains product.
>>108101406https://frame.work/products/framework-desktop-mainboard-amd-ryzen-ai-max-300-series?v=FRAFMK0002I have it in the cardboard box it came in, no case needed and a spare fan and ssd from my previous system
>>108098100How does a 'cutomizable and upgradable' specialist end up with soldered RAM and processors? May as well be fucking Apple.
>>108098989Which tasks? >Fedora 43, sudo dnf in ROCm.It works great on my 6800 XT. I just git cloned comfyui, installed pytorch and img gen works! As well as Ollama.
>>108098100if zen 5 wasn't shit this and rdna3.5 didn't suck and the memory wasn't soldered it could be neat
>>108098100>manlet casethere is nothing to discuss, give me big a ass tower case instead of this retardation for women and disney-adults.
>>108098100If you're going to buy a PC without the ability to upgrade the CPU/RAM or even add a GPU, you might as well get a Mac Mini.
I mog u
>>108098100one of the worst strix halo platforms. extremely poor io setup.
>>108099818I have one in a dan a4 h2o and its fine
>>108098100I don't mind it but the fact they had to put their retard ass modules on a desktop is beyond fucking silly, you could fit like 4 USB-C, 2 USB-A and at least one audio jacks in that space.
>>108098100Useless piece of shit.cpu marketed for ia but can't get more than a few cucked token/s, basically doa.
>>108101604Send me a comfy workflow as well as how long it takes for you to run it after loading the model into memory (2nd run onward)I'll go run it on the Arc Pro and the 6950 and you'll quickly understand how badly ROCm is fucking us
>>108102335not x86
>>108104603>Some default workflow>1024x1024>25 steps18sec, some anime model
>>108106598>1.) sudo dnf in rocm>2.) sudo dnf in python3.12 python3.12-devel git>3.) git clone https://github.com/comfyanonymous/ComfyUI.git>4.) cd ComfyUI>5.) python3.12 -m venv venv>6.) source venv/bin/activate>7.) pip install --upgrade pip>8.) pip install --pre torch torchvision torchaudio --index-url https://download.pytorch.org/whl/nightly/rocm6.4>9.) nano requirements.txtcomment those 3 out, by adding a #:#torch#torchvision#torchaudio>10.) pip install -r requirements.txt>11.) python main.py>12.) EnjoyBrowser: open http://127.0.0.1:8188
>>108106646that 127 link doesnt work for me
>>108107032Your comfyui will tell you the correct link in the terminal.
>>108107098what do you mean you posted the link. google says its for a home website?
>>108106598I do need to know the exact model (or at least what it's based on)Is it SDXL based?
>>108106646sounds good on paper
>>108107175It's a local website that is only visable in your homenetwork, because you host it to run comfyui. Also if you want to run it again, you need to go to the ComfyUI folder, open the terminal in there and type: source venv/bin/activatepython main.pythats how you launch it, if you followed all the steps.>>108107275>hassakuXLIllustrious_v34.safetensors>novaAnimeXL_ilV150.safetensors
>>108098156Bros not sure if I'm ready for the future...
>>108107969They're framework fans too UwU >:3
>>108107670>hassakuXLIllustrious_v34.safetensorsI have this (but v31) Performance should be identical, so here are the numbers averaged out over 5 runs not including the initial one:Arc Pro B50: 13.58sRX 6950 XT: 16.43sSee the problem? The 6950 XT has nearly DOUBLE the raw compute performance, but ROCm is causing it to solidly lose to a 70W low-profile INTEL CARD
>>108098347>tfw you will never be able to build a PC ever againGrim
>>108108320Wtf, how is that possible? I didn't know Intel AI shit is solid. How does Intel stuff even work? It took a while for me to learn how to set up ROCm on Linux. So how is it on Intel?
>>108108915Install intel-compute-runtime, install the intel variant of torch (torch+xpu), and you're ready to rollIt's dead fucking simple, I was floored. Intel is clearly trying their hardest to compete in this space.
>>108098989Can't use Vulkan for image related stuff though can you?
>>108108932One of the many problems, and for LLMs ROCm and Vulkan currently trade blows depending on the model, making Vulkan effectively useless as well. You really can't win with these piece of shit GPUs.
>>108108920Crazy, I will keep an eye on it. Thanks. Intel would be an option, I like that Intel works really well on Linux + Mesa. I just don't want to deal with Nvidia on Linux. But I will keep my AMD for now. Maby I can ditch my GPU in the future completely.
>>108108320fascinating, it makes me want to buy one(I am also lonely as fuck these days) we see traditional GPUs are good at lighting calculations, but not other calculationshttps://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Arc-B580-vs-Nvidia-RTX-4060-Ti/m2371910vs4149I wonder if there are ai benchmarks anywhere to test for this
>>108109008>I wonder if there are ai benchmarks anywhere to test for thisGeekbench has a Vulkan/OpenCL compute one under Geekbench 6, and actual AI inference under Geekbench AI
>>108109103seems like a vibe coded piece of shit site
average framework hater be like
>>108098245>What's the fucking point? Desktop PCs are already modular.The original vision of framework laptop is to have a nice case you can keep upgradingI like the Cerberus X and the Johnsbo D40 and some Riotoro shit, or NCase, the smallest full-ATX cases you can get, you can use SFX-L 1000W and it will work with 5090 probably. Other than being space efficient, looking good, and being easy to work on, there's not much point at all vs. a normal caseI'll never go less than full ATX, there's just no point for a desktop, I want the option to add capture cards and NVME cards and shit, whatever they got nowThey really needed to work on eliminating cables or making them invisible, because having cables flopping around everywhere is stupid as fuck. At least supply cables with exact pre-cut lengths and put them into some channel guides rather than zip-tying them all over the place, it's embarrassingI also wish the CPU and GPU were both socketed, and both pull from a large pool of 128GB shared GDDR7, but nothing like that could ever happen
>>108109188stop hanging out on 4chan linus.
>>108109367that pc looks niceeven though I have a mini pop silent (mATX), it's too big. I've never been satisfied looking at it. the interior has too much wasted space. And you have to buy a tower rack for inside it to put more storage. It's fucking gay and I didn't know how retarded PC cases are when I built this. There is room for 3 anime girls in here
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>>108098347>win 11 homekek.
>>108098143>€1300 for a mini PC>32GBIt's massively overpriced.
>>108098475The irony is any major business tier laptop from Lenovo, dell, and HP are just as repairable. Only consumer grade shit isn't intended for repair.
>>108110969I want a bigger PC case, not a smaller one. What you call wasted space, I call space for good airflow, room for upgrades without picking from a super limited range of parts that will fit, and space so I can access parts instead of having to take half of the parts out just to get to the RAM slots.
>>108098347>2x8TB NvME driveslal
>>108111712it is 2026 sir.
>>108112163I long for the gold sunlight. Oh, how I long for life.
>>108108239what kind of person use this laptop?
>>108112081Some of us don't live in McMansions
>>108098100normies first overpriced custom built pc. not for me
>>108112081>What you call wasted space, I call space for good airflowThis is all brain damage, the giant box isn't "space for good airflow", it's dead air
>>108098177Good morning SAAR
>>108112081This box doesn't even hit anything abot 75 under load for me. Shit has great cooling, and likely because it's such a low power draw. Compared to any built desktop that is.
>>108098100Reinventing the wheel in an inferior way. Seriously who was this made for? You can build a much better PC yourself with full pcie lanes, better CPU/GPU, socketed CPU/GPU, and before the ram shortage you could have easily gotten 128gb all for cheaper or a comparable price. I guess now with the inflated pricing of ram, it might be a better deal on paper, but then again so are Mac; so if I’m gonna be stuck with soldered nonsense, I’d rather just pay for a beefed out Mac mini or Mac Studio at that point.
