What about using a static effect in the background, but a still static in the foreground? Gif related. If computers can only analyze individual frames, then they can't see the letter.I call it Static Static-Static.
>>108103959Captcha should be questions that only people that have regular sex with their girlfriend can know the answer to.
>>108103973>Captcha should be questionsllms are good at answering those
>>108103973Or answers about your computer, with certain answers being an instant ban.Anyway here's an example that's much smaller. I will admit that it's not that legible but it's more about seeing if such a thing will work.
>>108103959>>108104022EPILEPSY FAGS BTFO
>>108104022Also I threw this at Uncensored.AI, it thought it was Captain Kirk being shot. I threw it at ChatGPT, it couldn't figure it out at all. Since it is impossible to screenshot the image without losing the text, it completely fucks up image analysis because it just sees the noise.
>>108103959Easy cracked Just capture 2 frames and diff them against each otherFrame1.pixels - Frame2.pixelsKeep diff values < 5Run more frames for better accuracyRun OCR on that diff-image, get textPro tip: your brain already does this
>>108104140>>108104137This is true but how many spambots are actually going to go to that much effort? It's already more steps than "Type XPLDN0"
>>108103959Take the average of say 20 frames.The noise cancels itself out to form a smooth gray whilst the message remains undiluted
>>108103959I like the idea, but has a big flaw.It can't be detected using conventional AI but it can be automated by an easy filter.Just take 3 or 4 frames and blend the difference.
>>108103959seen low light view with thermonoise silhouettes moving lately?
>>108104195>>108104140>>108104022What if the static was instead flowing in different directions?
>>108103959
>>108104163whats your source aerial antenna amp might be talking
>>108104295>>108104274That destroys what legibility is left.
>>108103959Unironically Shartys captcha is the best captcha currently on any site or service, as you need to be INTIMATELY familiar with the sites culture and memes to have any chance at passing it
>>108104154Have you seen solvers for this website?People (mainly glowies and sea monkeys) train actual AI models on the captchas and then use them to spam threads with propaganda and off topic to derail real discussions.>>108104274Then it would all appear as static noise because there is no point of reference.
>>108104323here you dont have a single culture unlike on sharty
>>108104295desu
>>108103959>If computers can only analyze individual framesYou mean current tools in common use like whatever AI crap or what? I don't even know whether this is true or not, but it seems pretty easy to write a program to solve this, just look for parts of the image which don't change between frames, no?
>>108104415>reply>reply echoed back with a 'jak>some more retarded shithere, saved you some time for that (you)
>>108104447good luck analyzing keyframe only time interwall point change data is pretty much useless for anything else than halt
Remove the captcha, and I will determine if your post is worthy of being published. Problem solved.
>>108104519you got massive retards on /pol/, tranime on /v/ and indian niggers who are here just for /gif/. on sharty 'teens at least know that the common topic are jaks
can bots do magic eye puzzles?
>>108103959heh
>>108103959XOR XOR XOR XOR XOR
I just want normal captchas, or ideally, no captchas
>>108104022>Or answers about your computerBraindead to defeat. You can spoof agent headers. They could tell you whatever they want and just answer with that.
>>108104154i see you think programming is hard
>>108103959Nice idea, but easy to circumvent and automate. Just compare two images at two different points in time and you've got the captcha answer. This is trivial to automate.
i remember when 4chan didnt even have captchas
>>108105498I also remember 4chan.js and black people eating money and camwhores.
>>108105498We need another solver
>>108105526nah, we just need to get rid of the star ones
>>108105533Filtered.
>>108104307I assume op and whoever would implement this would naively just use a uniform distribution across both space and time for the noise.
>>108104323I'd go there to check it out but I'm scared of that story of them running malware when load the website. Can't be bothered to boot up a VM.
>>108104022I rather count the stars than look at this everytime I post
Fuck this shit, nigger. There are several generals on this site that have been completely botted for over a year now despite all of the captcha changes, mods don't give a shit even after countless IRC reports. The only reason why they keep doing this is to force retards who still post on imageboards to pay up for the pass, that's it.
My idea for better captcha has always been IQ test questions with an invisible timer. Even if you get the question right, it still won't let you post if you don't answer in an appropriate amount of time. The intended effect would be to filter Indians, spam and retards.
>>108106424The sole reason for IQ tests is the fact that the test takers ain't know shit about them, bruh. The moment you try to complete them for the Nth time is the moment they don't test shit.
>>108105498I remember when he didn't want to add captchas. I have the proof.
>>108106933i wonder if mentioning an*nt*lk still gets you banned
>>108103959Computers can definitely analyze multiple frames, and yes llms can too (provided they have enough context length).You dont even need an LLM though. All you would need to do to get the letter from that gif is dif two or more frames together and get the pixels that don't change, set everything that didn't change to black, then run OCR on it (which has been done for decades and doesn't need to be AI).Letter based captchas are all equally useless, that's why basically nobody uses them anymore.
>>108103959>If computers can only analyze individual framesAre you unironically retarded? Why the fuck would you think this is true? Here's the result of a single trivial imagemagick command (run on a computer!) that could be inserted as a preprocessing step before a generic AI solver.People with so few braincells should be legally barred from suggesting captcha ideas.
>>108104140The imperative indian>>108104163The functional chad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki8H5y-fQU4this is 3D noises, 2 different seed, moving in the Z axis for white, Y and Z axis for black. You shouldnt be able to do that difference trick with this
>>108107101It took me like 30 seconds of watching to even figure out that this was supposed to be Bad Apple (it's probably in the youtube title or description, but I just passed the url to mpv). Useless as a captcha.
>>108103959>>108104137what if the static pixels buzzed in the opposite direction
Why the fuck you faggots talk like if the jap owner of this shithole would even give a single fuck? If you really want to be heard you must seen this info to his personal email not make a thread.
There must be a version for robots of pic related. Robots don't have feelings, right? How about a captcha about feelings?
there was a thread the other week
>>108107518we need more abstract puzzles
>>108107518I wish I couldn't read this
>>108103959How many times are you going to make this thread? You already tried it with a rotating ring and somebody defeated the captcha in like the second post of the thread.
>>108103959Needs more dolphins
>>108104812they can easily be solved by overlaying the image with itself and moving it horizontically
retarded capchas thread?
>>108108840those vertical stripes are caused by your browser messing with canvas access usually for privacy reasonshttps://librewolf.net/docs/faq/#why-am-i-seeing-striped-images
enjoy your tv
Answer from the op pic is ST4TlC and also something like + in the bottomI think autostereograms ARE very good as anti AI shit
>>108103959I call it retarded.The captcha should contain extreme pornographic content so most LLMs will censor themselves and fail the captcha.
>>108103959Any captcha can be solved, it just takes time and effort. If you put this captcha on 4chen someone will make a script that averages the frames or whatever so they can solve it. I don't think this one would be particularly hard. Once they have a solver they can simply update their spam bots and continue. The same thing happens with every captcha, that's why they make new ones.
>>108103959>if computers can onlyThey can do more.
>>108109181kek
>>108109159god damn my eyes hurt
>>108109159I'm getting shroom flashbacks from this hidden Pepe.
>>108103959i think you are a genius and should patent this right now, but there is a high chance ‘they’ already did it by now
>>108104322>>108104330See: >>108107521By virtue of the gif containing the necessary information to parse the message, a computer can parse still it. It's just slightly harder.At this point I wonder what's the point in using captchas at all.
>>108109725At some point it would be easier to replace the captcha with a filter that requires you to include something like “niggers” or “heil Hitler” in your post. If nothing else it would block the troons until they can get a shabbos jeet to fill out the captchas for them
>>108107521>>108109725It cannot be detected by an AI but it can still be automated.If the background static noise is flowing in one direction and the text static noise is flowing in a different direction, we can detect the area of the background at column 1 (or row 1) on the first frame and compare it to the area of column 2 (or row 2) on the second frame, rinse and repeat for all of the rows, then do it 4 or 5 times more but with an offset of -1 each time to get more accuracy:First batch: col1 at frame1 for all columns.Second batch: col1 at frame2 for all cols.Third batch: col1 at frame3 for all cols.And so on.Then compare all the batches with a simple logic gate operation and then you have the text. Run OCR and submit the captcha.
good captcha saar
>>108104140pretty sure you can do some funny math so the inside also changes while retaining the edge
>>108109024i can almost see something if I squint
why are you stealing my ideas
>>108109024is there something in here or am i just gaslighting myself?
>>108110287There's something, but not something you're meant to see.
>>108109024i see a fractal gear
Problem is that we're in bear-proof trashcan territory with AI.
>>108109181that one's easy for computersyou gotta do geometry
>>108103959>>108104022This would actually be really nice cuz you could just press Tab and answer the captcha without taking your hands off the keyboard like we used to. Mods take note.
>>108109868You're right, but you're assuming the pixels are always moving column to column. I think a bot developer should attempt to generalize in case the captcha gets more complicated.Assuming all pixels of one layer are always moving in the same direction, you could probably do a similar algorithm but instead of columns it's patches of the image and you're trying to find the direction the patch is moving into by finding the best nearby match for it in e.g. the next frame.Assuming all pixels of background layer A move consistently, it won't be difficult to notice when a patch of layer A passes under foreground layer B, and where they intersect by checking which parts of the patch that were consistent before have now become inconsistent.>It cannot be detected by an AIThis sounds wrong though. Through machine learning you should be able to parse these gifs, they aren't that complex.
>>108104022It's trivial for an AI agent to generate a diff between two frames and look at the result.The Turing test was obliterated. There's no reliable way to tell AI agents from humans anymore. It's all a matter of implementation.
>>108112005BTW my custom-built AI Agent installed and ran moondream inside its private docker container and gave it the image to tell it what it said.We live in crazy times.
which one, and why?if you turn the shapes around they are arr the same
>>108112035I guess its the middle one because the other two rows have the exact same shape.
>>108112035It's asking which slide is different from the rest, not which slide has a shape that is different from the ones around it.
>>108103959CAPCHA: click on the dark square
>>108111970>you could probably do a similar algorithm but instead of columns it's patches of the image and you're trying to find the direction the patch is moving into by finding the best nearby match for it in e.g. the next frame.There is no need. There are only 4 directions pixels can move. It is much more efficient to bruteforce all 4 tries, you'll get the result anyway.>Through machine learningBuilding a model just for this is total waste of resources and time.You also need a large number of gifs, more than 1000 (which needs to be created by the captcha, you can't made them yourself), and each one needs a correct solution for each gif.And remember that each time the captcha is updated, the model becomes useless.
>4shit users inventing more methods to make their own lives more miserableGod almighty.
possible captcha method: punching OP in his faggot face
>>108105533The star ones are easy>5 5 4 4 5
>>108106424technically that's already in place, but the timer should be the other way around so if it's solved in less than 1 second it won't go through.
just dont get banned guys. after a month my cookie is so trustworthy I only get a single challenge
>>108113548wow amazing idea taking away the scrollbar and making it put them all on the screen like this. thanks
>>108107101It's interesting how it's easier to discern the moving noise compared to the non-noise.You could still do the diffference trick. Just have each pixel store how many of it's neighbours (both spatially and temporally) flipped colour. The black sections will have high difference and the white ones low.
>>108108904i see
Captchas are inhumane
All of this is meaningless if the bot owner buys a pass.
>>108105985>the hacker known as shartyso 4chan in 2026 is literally plebbit now. grim
>>108113548It takes 3 days.
