Strictly speaking PCs hereMicroslop has been destroying Windows for yearsCopilot is invasive dystopian software, Windows has the fucking audacity to show you ads Linux is still Linux, will always remain a geek nichePC hardware prices are a complete shitfest and at the mercy of one if not the biggest AI-slop speculators in the world, NVIDIAWindows Laptops, the biggest % install base of PC users, are still shit on battery and massively overpriced at a premium that's not reflected on their build quality and performanceGaming is worse than ever, the market is saturated by post-woke slop and garbage releases, only 3-4 good games per year at this pointMost PC gaming is done through Steam, SteamOS is not Windows dependant, handheld market growing, eventually an important % of gamers will just rely on Steam Decks or Linux/Steam gaming boxesTruth is, by doing absolutely nothing after releasing a generational product 5 years ago, Apple now has the best PC hardware in the market, and hasn't even doubled prices "for market reasons" like all the other tech companies during the last year. You go into the store today and pay the same price you paid for the same relative product 5 years ago ($2000 for the base model current M Pro chip Macbook Pro). Mac Minis and Studios are even more insane, but I digress here.Can somebody here argue honestly with me if I'm totally wrong here? If you aren't addicted to gaming is there even a reason to stay with Windows machines nowadays?
There was never anything wrong with Macs other than they were expensive as fuck and their userbase insufferable.If you have the money and you're willing to go all into the Apple ecosystem then it's great.
>>108104383It's just awful to use.
>>108104383Assembled by jeets, feces in them.
>>108104383i stopped playing games completely like 2 years ago, bought mac and after learning and adapting to new os after these 2 years i can say i am very happy. i also put linux on my old pc and sometimes use it, i really like the idea of FOSS software and shit like that but for everyday i use my mac. when you get used to the workflow it can be really good, also i like the fact that they added in recent years ADP and stuff like that. google and microsoft doesn't have equivalent to this.
>>108104383microsoft can suck my fucking dick and balls thats all im gonna sayliterally suck on that fuck fucking cock slopya
>>108104383Apple doesn’t care about gaming support, so there’s no point to replace your PC with one. Apple could support games at any point, it just chooses not to.
>>108104494>White people are banned from yet another productIt’s so hard keeping track of what I’m banned from using. What if a PC part was assembled in India? Would I be banned from using it even if I dusted it off?
>>108104446Apple blatantly treats their users like literal cattle. I don't understand how anyone with any self respect can buy their products.
>>108104446Intel era Macbooks were pretty ass lets be honest>>108104471See this i don't understand, how can it be any worse than Windows at this point, 9800x3d 5090 systems are taking 10+ seconds to load before even reaching desktop
>>108104565Most PC parts are made in china of Taiwan, apple made the decision to do it in India because it was cheaper.
>>108104585You are just retardedJust because there is a lot of normies using OS and apple has to take them into consideration doesn't mean you can't use the system as a power user
>>108104624No, but you are still subject to planned obsolescence, and having to buy expensive retarded addons to get basic functional, and not being able to do basic repairs of your laptop, and not being able to interoperate with anything non Apple. Why can't I plug a shitePhone to USB port and drag and drop a file into a folder like I could with my 2007 Nokia?
>>108104494they havent even THOUGHT about making Macs in india you fucking illiterate retard
>>108104383There was never any reason to hate macs. macOS is superior to anything freetards ever did (and full FOSS-toolkit is available via brew whenever you need anythings), and indefinitely it is miles ahead of a shitshow that is modern Windows."Muh gayming" argument is null and void in 2026 with geforce now. I play in 4K whatever I want on my trusty M1 macbook and a gigabit internet connection lol, and that costs me 22 eur/mo whenever I feel like playing something."Muh prices" - lmao, when a 32gb ram kit costs like a Mac Mini or a typical gpu costs like MBA - Apple is now anything but "expensive luxury", it's more like high-performance compute for everyone.Although, it's pretty funny how market made Apple go-to choice if you are not willing to sell your kidney for a new computer. The longer those greedy corp fucks mess with consumer market - the more people will just turn to Apple.
>>108104383For an average user that doesn't play games or doesn't have specialized workflows or software they need to run? No. For most devwork, they can even be decent. But I work with Linux userspace so there is no world where running a VM with Linux on a Macbook is better than just getting a Windows laptop and installing Linux on it even with reduced IPC and etc. when they are close enough and I can do some things that MacOS are bad at like GPU stuff in general for AI and having CUDA whereas nothing on MacOS is something I must run. Yes, usually people aren't special snowflakes here but I am one of them. Would gladly get an M4 Macbook Air for a throwaway travel laptop to replace my Skylake one as soon as the price deprecates to nothing and I can install Linux on it.>>108104709A subscription does not replace local gaming, and no, the upgrade prices are only now more reasonable as opposed to outrageous still even with Ramageddon going on.
>>108104668Fair point. I still think for most people this is the best option as of now right now, prices are more comparable than ever and you do get some nice things that comes with Apple that you wouldn't get somewhere else. It's just matter of your priority and what you value most and your needs. I would love for MacOS to be more open and repair friendly but I don't think that's ever gonna happen, still - for most people's needs mac as of now is the best option - it might not be perfect but nothing is. I get top performance, insanely good battery life and all apps that I need work perfectly + more. I can't get this combo anywhere else.
>>108104383Yes.
>>108104383Dunno... does Apple hardware still send requests to Apple servers to run any application? (BTW in my job a single packet of outgoing data from my computer would mean an one way trip to Guantanamo Bay.)
>>108104494>poopoo peepee
>>108104613iphones are assembled in india, i don't know about the rest of their systems. although i think they were going to change that because indians are terrible at everything.
they're getting there, there's a rumored $600-700 Macbook on the works, the market is gonna get even more interesting soonfucking Windows OEMs releasing overpriced after overpriced cheap shit for years are finally meeting their maker
I think they make cool laptops, I just think the Mac Pro is overpriced and the Mac Mini isn't enough for me for a desktop
>>108105071i think they're overpriced as well, but i also think linux is trash and windows is at the point of no return. computers fucking suck these days.
>>108105071anon...i am forgotten...
>>108105186>TWO>THOUSAND>DOLLARS
>>108105200>200▶>>>108105186 (You)>>TWO>>THOUSAND>>DOLLARSit's $1800 with edu discountalso, price as opposed to ...?
>>108104383>over-hateFuck you, you corporate whore. You would be more valuable as construction material.
why do they get so mad lol
>>108104557They keep adding all kinds of API extensions for Metal that put it on par with what Nvidia and Vulkan offer. The problem is that nobody wants to use Metal. Cyberpunk runs alright on my Macbook, but I overpaid for a Max SKU because I wanted all the GPU cores and RAM I could get my grubby little hands on, so it'd better run alright for the price I shouldn't have paid for it.The real issues are>i386 support is dropped and amd64 will be next release>there is no equivalent to proton baked into Steam like there is for LinuxIt'd be the only computer I ever needed if these things were fixed.
ARM/MacOS has no software, especially free software.
>>108104383Waiting for anti apple guy. He's so cool.
>>108106790The problem is that they have the mentality of "If you build it, they will come" but they don't want to do the obvious thing other platforms have done to try and build support which is paying incentivizing games to be on their app store. Sure, they paid for AAA games but there are only so many of these to pay off and no one is going to prioritize it given the lack of help and terrible promotional value to get your title sold. Your only option if you stay Mac is to keep waiting for better support. There's not enough you can do on the consumer side to change this, it's all on Apple to do it.
>>108105250Anyone got benchmarks comparing them?
there is no equivalent to macsmacs have:>soldered SSD/RAM/WLANdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>when pajeetOS runs out of RAM it swapfile rapes the SSD to death within 3 yearsdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>when the SSD dies it bricks your entire currybook because the EFI is stored on the soldered SSD to save $0.05 on a dedicated chipdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>components serial numbered and tied to the motherboard to prevent repair and replacement (including battery)doesnt exist on 99% of PCs>riveted keyboard that requires total destruction of the chassis to replacedoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>flexgate cables that are so brittle they crack from opening your screen past 90 degrees more than 2 dozen timesdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>screens so fucking shit they have over 90ms response times (essentially 10Hz)doesnt exist on 99% of PCs>screen made from pajeet trash glass that cracks from temperature change in seasons or tape over the iBotnet webcamdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>so fire and explosion prone the FAA have banned them from all flightsdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>uses phone CPU that's so shit it gets destroyed by decade old i3s from 2017 and can only "compete" by cheating at benchmarks in extreme edge cases with hardware acceleratorsdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>curryniggers at apploo get so full of sniffing their own currynigger silicon shit they ship currybooks with no fans and they run so hot they melt the keyboard keysdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>keyboards with 63.5% failure rateunheard of on PCs, and yet you curryniggers defend it with "jus werx fer me!"just because you're in the 36.5% survivor group doesn't make your currynigger trash any goodthis list goes on foreverthere's no PC laptop as total fucking currynigger shit as crapple's streetshitter booksthey are the biggest heaps of steaming currynigger shit in the history of computing second only to curryPhones
What the fuck is a kvazar, what kind of russian nigger obscure bullshit is that
They have been always a scam.In b4 mental gymnastics.
>>108107280>Paid apple shillYou don't belong on /g/, you have all the tech knowledge of a 3 year old
>>108107243M4 Mac Mini is $500 and/or less frequently on Amazon, education discount store too
>>108104383You can watch anime and read manga just fine on them, so the first two essential functions of a computer are easily fulfilled. The third essential function, reading VNs, is not so easily done, and requires the usage of tools like Parallels or Crossover. So Macs are only two-thirds as usable as a Windows PC.
>>108104709>geforce nowCan't play the games I want to play
>>108104383Macs are better for now but there's no easy escape vector like on Windows PC laptops where you can just go install Linux if it gets too bad. With Macs you're locked in waiting forever until Asahi Linux support catches up to your M-chip generation.Do you trust the guy who replaces Tim Cook not to run the company into the ground with spyware, AI memes and advertising? Do you trust the American government not to go full retard if you're a foreigner? PC gives you options at least.
>>108107243>80% as fast at half the TDP
>>108104383You aren't wrong (vineboom)Haven't been wrong (vineboom)And won't be a wrong for a long while. (vineboom)>typed from my 2015 MacBook Pro>most 2015 laptops are ass compared to this thing
>>108107309Actual high IQ response anon, you make a great point about leadership and long term changesBut doesnt that apply to Windows too? All we've known for 10+ years at this point is degradation and predatory practices, when is enough really enough to leave the platform?
>>108107309>>108107349PC should also have the Google ChromeOS+Android merged AluminumOS option coming soon™ which may well be an appealing alternative for normies buying new hardware or techies wanting to make it work on their existing laptops. Obviously software support won't be perfect out of the box but it could quickly catch up and it will essentially allow Google to become a full competitor with Apple.
>>108104383I enjoyed shittalking apple on /g/ for more than a decade but at some point I got a macbook for free. Spent six months tinkering with it and learning how to use the OS (after hating it with passion for a couple of months) and I never went back, nearly every other laptop out there is painful in comparison. Still using Windows on my desktop PC but I'd rather not use a laptop at all than going back to a non-macbook machine.
I don't know if they even use gen 5 nvme SSDs yet, I think they're still gen 4. Why do they always put shit hardware in them? Well because they are greedy, I know.
Macos has the worst UX I've ever had the displeasure to use, plus, 26 is fucking garbage, instead of doing muh liquid ass they should spend 3 versions with minimal changes but lots of polishing and some QoL improvements
>>108108273I had a rMBP which was probably the best laptop I've ever had. Great battery life, homebrew for installing Linux apps, awesome touchpad and display vs most PC laptops of its time.I tried to go all in on Apple and bought an iPhone but I had a shitty time getting all my Android call, text and contact data ported into the iPhone (this was the earlier days when it was more iTunes then iCloud based), put me off the Mac platform plus it was a pain to get manga-reader apps (in hindsight a dumb idea on a phone screen) so I returned the iPhone and swapped it over for some shitty Google Nexus instead and eventually sold the Macbook Pro for a Dell 2-in-1 laptop which while good wasn't great.
>>108104383It isn't. The M series stuff seems to be good but a PC is still better overall. Trying to diminish this by saying that current games are bad doesn't work. The AAA games are the slop. There are plenty of amazing AA and indie titles to pick from. And yes, we don't need Windows to play the games. That isn't an argument for Apple, though.Again, I think the M stuff is really good. If you just need an efficient computer for productivity Apple offers a decent alternative to Winshit. But MacOS is also slopifying. They somewhat lost their touch in terms of pleasant looking UIs. The absurdly rounded corners are ridiculous and look terrible. The entire team responsible for this should be fired.
Apple has been making competitively priced, rock solid workstations for many years. Especially with Apple Silicon.Yes, iPhones are garbage. But that has nothing to do with their computers.
>>108107150This was written by an llm right? Because no sane person would write this way unless they’re like 11 years old.Since you claim 99% of PCs don’t have soldered RAM, show me the laptop that also has equivalent performance to MacBook Air M4 and under 1300 EUR/USD
>>108109236nice cope bro
>>108108720Thats one thing holding me back, I cant let go of my Android bc iPhones are so closed down, Newpipe/Pipepipe are my most used apps by far
>>108108722NTA but x86 machines benefit from having basically all software available and for free + dGPUs/more hardware options
How true is it that Lunar Lake CPUs compete with M series power draw, whike still being 86x so I can install a real OS?
>>108109795you mean Raptor Lake?they don't performance wise, they're only good at efficiency and it's the first PC/Windows chip that doesn't lose performance while on battery while doing somewhat intensive tasks
>>108109907*Panther LakeI meant Panther Lake, the latest laptop Intel chip
Gotta love how Mac chads make poorfags and jeets seethe
>>108109681I’m not arguing benefits or merits of one platform vs another. I want a new laptop and I’ve been looking at many options. Basically it comes down to MacBook Air or maybe a dell pro or even a framework 12. And essentially the conclusion has been that any option that isn’t the MBA is more expensive.Could I use something cheaper? Sure but I want a device with a good screen, good camera, portability and a good build. The mba ticks all those boxes. To get the same on a laptop pc you need to literally spend at least 400 or more to get the same quality.I’m not a Mac user nor have I ever used macOS. I’ve been using Linux for over fifteen years. It’s possible that macOS becomes enshitified to the same degree as windows is now, so I am taking it with a grain of salt but still it doesn’t take away from the fact that the Apple device seems to be the one that fits my needs at a good price. Which is why I asked, point me to an equivalent performing laptop for 1300 or less.
>>108110051if all of your software needs are taken care of with apple silicon/macOS applications and you don't torrent software then why not try it. if you need an actual laptop for portable laptop things, carrying it around in a bag every day et cetera, macbooks are the only real option. all x86 windows options have weird sleep state issues, and that's at the BIOS level and isn't being fixed apparently. seems pretty obvious. I haven't ever really really tried a mac though so IDK in reality what the software experience is like.
I've been using wangblows and using PCs for about 25 years give or take. 20 for linux on and off.10 years ago roughly speaking I got into hackintosh for about a year. I actually didn't dislike the OS. In fact, every problem I had with the OS was related to third party software either not being available, or performance on my hardware and compatibility with external peripherals. Stability wise it seemed fine. Security wise... well, it seemed to get more restrictive with updates, but I saw some embarrassing shit. Anyways, I was getting used to the workflow real fast. I liked it quite a bit honesty. But it was shit for games, simple as that. And like I said, under the same hardware, worse performance overall.Not long ago I considered getting a macbook instead of a new laptop, but this was when the standard for M1-M3 laptops was to make the most affordable ones 8 measly gb of RAM. So instead of me, my best friend decided to buy herself one of those. An M3 Macbook Air, 8gb. And good lord is it sluggish. She hasn't been using it in a while and she's wondering how I can get some shitty pictures deleted because somehow she's messed something up and I have no idea how to help her there yet. On Windows and linux I'm used to the idea of "debloating". I have no idea what to do on macOS in regards to that. When I tried... was it Sequoia? it seemed pretty damn similar, but it somehow was more sluggish than I remember. So like modern Windows almost. But I was surprised to find that Finder had an option to hide progress bars, and it was enabled by default. I don't remember this at all being a thing. I don't see the purpose other than having my friend just get really mad at this thing. I've been wondering if they've been making it better or worse, I don't like the UI changes much at all and it seems more fucking annoying with some of the changes as well. I don't recall what I was trying to install on her system but it took a while to figure it out.
Nah, I actually can't believe I came around to them. I used to scoff and mock them in the 2000's. But Windows got shitty enough that I finally gave them a go and they just do what I want. Wish there were more games for them, maybe they'll port more over if the market share grows.It's become clear to me that hardware that is made for the software (and vice versa) really helps with the efficiency and performance. PCs are very wasteful inherently.
>>108107326Does that low TDP even matter on a fucking desktop?
>>108110231less heat going into your room, nice during summer timecomponents maybe last longer but IDK. SSDs for example are supposed to be at like 40-55C range for best lifespan apparently, stuff like that.electric bill is nominally loweralso those beelink things are not reliable at all. sort of absurd to compare something like that to a mac.
>>108110148is it true that Adobe Suite and all the other creative apps like Resolve, etc all run more smoothly on MacOS with less crashes and bugs?
MacOS is all about paying for this, paying for that.It seems the only way to get some weird windows software to work on it would be to either use a clunky, slow virtual machine, or Parallels.Last time I've seen, a subscription to the basic home version of parallels is 60 bucks a year. I'm not paying 60 bucks to do wangblows on a window without losing a lot of performance. Also I am reminded that it still doesn't properly support writing on NTFS drives without paying either. What's more I've heard about people having a lot of trouble even with the paid solutions. Why the fuck do they have to be so complicated? I've seen more support from Microsoft on linux stuff.
>>108110231>>108110313also less fan noise, less likely to throttle>>108110317yes AFAIK. it's made for that hardware explicitly so it's inherently less issues in all software
>>108104446The Mac Mini line is wayyy more affordable than PC alternatives. Apple just needs to fix the USB-C bullshit. iPhones are just as expensive as most Android phones. iPods cost more but the Pro and Max models are top tier. >>108104594>See this i don't understand, how can it be any worse than Windows at this point, 9800x3d 5090 systems are taking 10+ seconds to load before even reaching desktopIt's Apple's way or the highway. Want a wired keyboard? Nope. We use wireless peripherals now.
>>108110317>less heat going into your room, nice during summer timeThat you can barely notice because it's there in the corner, unless you reach for the fucking machine>components maybe last longer but IDK. SSDs for example are supposed to be at like 40-55C range for best lifespan apparently, stuff like that.Doesn't matter much if your SSD doesn't last long anyways due to degradation through write cycles and you cannot replace it>electric bill is nominally lowerYou'd spend much, much, much more just on buying software on the macOS side that's usually free elsewhere>also those beelink things are not reliable at all. sort of absurd to compare something like that to a mac.I don't know man, I've seen shit that's catastrophic coming from Apple hardware and I don't think they changed their stance much on how repairable their shit should be.
>>108104383>Linux is still Linux, will always remain a geek nicheTrue. Its usage is down a cunt hair but when your numbers are in the margin of error a cunt hair is too big to swallow.
>>108110365yeah, i guess. i was pretty set on one of these M chip macs until i realized there's basically zero free software around, even from the "good sources". that + the fact it's ARM so you'll constantly have to do weird buggy emulation stuff for anything that isn't from apple or like apple-aligned 3rd party software. x86 software library is unparalleled.
>>108110376Not defending the iFruits but Steam is hardly an indication when if you compare macOS and linux, macOS is able to handle a very small, teeny tiny little percentage of games, and most people using an apple machine wouldn't be interested in gaming. Which is a missed opportunity, they could drag a lot of people away from Microsoft if they didn't treat gaming like some sort of niche.
Apple has FINALLY got their shit toegether with the M5 in terms of GPU performance. They're still rather weak in terms of Tflops but at least now the GPU can do matmul in hardware. Before M5, hardware matmul was only in the NPU, which is useless for AI interernece. Prompt processing time should be a lot faster on M5.I'm interested to see how Apple prices their maxed-out M5 Studio when it's released. If 512GB is $10K or under, it should sell really well.
>>108107280iJEETS BTFO
>>108110133Why does this read like llm output?
>>108104383>blah blah blah>please stop hating on my overpriced hardwarekill yourself OP
>>108110491>>108110491last year they did the same for music production, everything magically started fully using the hardware inside the M4 Pro/Max, the M5 jump wasn't that important but the M5 Max/Ultra are guaranteed to smash some records in other areas for sure, specially native gamingthe base M5 is already trading blows in Blender against 5070Ti systems at phone levels of TDP and no noise, the Mac Studio this year will be an unironic great sell because of the RAM/SSD prices on Windows
Back when Macs were x86 I could at least theoretically entertain the possibility of getting one, though even back then they focused on making computers that weren't really customizable or properly upgradable. Now that they went ARM it's even worse, I see no reason whatsoever to buy one.
>>108110508he's using voice-2-text i think
>>108104668>No, but you are still subject to planned obsolescenceThat's only in your mind retard. 20 year old iMac G5s work just like new ones.
>>108110317Everything built for Mac runs more smoothly, every single thing. They have quality control and compliance standards. My Mac makes almost no noise at all and just runs things, my PC sounds like it's going to die the moment I turn it on.
>>108110535there will be no mac studio this year
>>108104383I'm pretty sure 99% of Mac hate just comes from two things:1. terminally online gamers being big mad that they are working computers and not toys for playing vidya2. Apple's corporate culture being woke faggot bullshit, which all of big tech is now, Apple was the pioneer though
>>108111767There will, the M5 Ultra has been leaked
>>108104383Alright fuck it I'll say it. I miss the Touch Bar. shift + option + volume up/down is clearly inferior to simply grabbing the volume slider thingy and moving it to exactly where you want it to be. >er but what about muh fn keysTHEY'RE STILL THERE. JUST PRESS THE Fn KEY LIKE ALWAYS. FUCKING
>>108111797it's fake, or it's only for mac pro. studio is a niche product and they only update it once per two years
>>108111846Nah you're wrong, Mac Pro will be killed off and the Studio will live onEither way we're getting M5 Ultra this year, my money is on Studios
>>108110491>Prompt processing timeIt's still shit, the M5 is 3x faster than prior generations but if you scale it up to a Max configuration, it is still slower than something like a DGX Spark which has 2x the PP performance like for like and nearly the same die size shows that Apple has a long way to go.At best if there is a M5 Ultra, it means it will still be faster than a DGX Spark but slower than a RTX 5070. Granted, at the very least, the fact that you can get at least a proper GPU's speed albeit slow with the architecture is at least now worth considering for over 128GB of RAM to 512 GB of RAM for price to performance.
>>108112085well m4 ultra rumors were fake
>>108104383No they're great retard machines, but it's not like you can do real work on them.
>>108112458Whats real and whats fake work?
>>108111619Nigger. The new macs do not perform like the jobs era ones what the fuck?? t. 2020 mbp with 2 ports unable to charge and spazzing touchbar that i had to put duct tape over in order not to die from epilepsyCant wait for my last two ports to die from charging the fucking computer and then my 2200€ fagmachine is dead forever.
>>108112473When 80%+ of your work is done in the browser it's "work"
>>108112496Theyre great for programming, graphic design, music production, video editing, photography, etc, those are not browser workflows>>108112496 so real work, agreed?
>>108112527I'd like to have the ability to compile bigger things locally and the M-chips just ain't it for that type of task. But yeah all the media work is fine on them but idk if I would call that real work. I'd put it like one step above working HR or something like that.
>>108112596>I'd like to have the ability to compile bigger things locallywhat things?
