hardware efficiency peaked in the 2000s
>>108108240>Dies after 2 yearsSony are the worst culprits for planned obsolescence. All their hardware is shit, even their expensive high end junk
this is what peak performance looks like
>>108108240>hurr increased performance comes with heat costs>durr it is bigger because it is worse and not because it needs the cooling because it is magnitudes more powerful.>>>/v/
>>108108240locked down gimped hardware in a ridiculous superfluous form factor is the opposite of efficient.
>>108108240my grandpa would trip over my gamepad cable and throw my PS2 slim to the groudn like a dozen times and it never failed me or broke at alldisks probalby got a bit scratched though
>>108108257As great as those were, they were awkward to carry. By the time I started wearing Jnco jeans, I had a NetMD, which would have fit in regular jeans pockets anyway.
>>108108240What's that thing anyways? Looks like shit.
>>108108240>comparing PS2 SLIM instead of PS2 FATWhy don't you just get one of those fucking Blade modules that has the PS5 APU on it for the comparison? Fucking idiot.
>>108108240okay now show tris rendered per watt
>>108108240The PS5 really isn't bad to use, I still think the UI peaked with the XBM on the PS3, but sleep/resume, quck resume stanby mode and super short loading times are great, I would have loved it back in the day, the PS3 had atrocious loading times. But man is the design of the thing hideous, I never liked it, even the fat PS3 looks good in comparison. What were they thinking?The fat PS2 is the best imho.
>>108108355>The fat PS2 is the best imho.An anon of culture and refined taste. I preferred PS4 UI and the ability to manage games with separate folders, lacking on the PS5 for some fucking reason, but I will never not enjoy the look of the fat PS2.
>>108108375The fat PS2 is a timeless design, the PS5 looks out of place in almost any living room. I remember the PS3 having folders too, but maybe I'm mistaken.My experience with the PS4 is limited, I only borrowed one from a friend for a couple of games back in the day. It's kind of funny because I'm mostly playing PS4 games on the PS5 now, waiting for GTA VI like a normie.
>>108108276you don't know what any of those words mean
>>108108342because both of the computers in the OP are commercial products, unlike server racks no one has access to
>>108108410>The fat PS2 is a timeless design, the PS5 looks out of place in almost any living room.I agree. I hide my PS5 behind the monitor I use with it. Only the disc drive slot and power button are visible.>I remember the PS3 having folders tooI think you are correct, but the PS4 folder management was horizontal, and the PS3 was more vertical drop down & expanding. The PS3 was more customizable as well. ;_;>I'm mostly playing PS4 games on the PS5Same. I do have Demon's Souls ( the reason I even own the PS5) and Lies of P.
>>108108415Ok
>>108108427>unlike server racks no one has access toThose units are all over ebay now.
>>108108460being on eBay doesn't make them commercial products that anyone can buy, are you illiterate?
>>108108547>being on eBay doesn't make them commercial products that anyone can buySure it does.
>>108108410ps2 was so kino 25 years ago
>>108108585I used to get off work, turn on my PS2 fat, Xbox Huge, and Gamecube and play FFX, Stae of Emergency, and Fifa 2000 at the same time on my 32" CRT with triple input.
>>108108569Yep you're a low iQ illiterate Gen Alpha retard. go back to tiktok or whatever short form content platform you came from.
>>108108616>AI slop answer
>>108108638>LLM answers don't have a real informative sourceyou are the reason I'm convinced the average internet user in 2026 is a braindead retarded moron from the Philippines or underage and I need to get permanently off it
>>108108659>the military defining what "commercial" is in regards to products and services they may acquireYup, it's retarded.These BC-250s would absolutely count as commercial items for the DoD.
>>108108675And to be clear.
>>108108675all look fag driving multivan with donk rims and passenger tyres not commerial eight ply tires
>>108108240What actually peaked was the hardware performance to software performance ratio. Modern hardware is way more efficient, both in terms of physical size and power. Software however has gotten worse faster than hardware got better.
>>108108240this is only true for sony
>>108109902the switch is a toddler tablet with the power of a PS3 btw
>>108108253I don't know... It looks like my NW-WM1Z will last me decades, aside from having to replace the battery eventually of course.
>>108108342Have you seen the PS5 "slim" its practically the same size as the base PS5. Even the PS4 slim is smaller.
>>108109400> Modern hardware is way more efficient, both in terms of physical size and power.Maybe its more efficient as far ass what it can get done in the same amount of power draw, but modern hardware draws way too much power anyways. That's why the PS5 is so big, it 70% cooling system, and somehow it still runs hot.
>>108109902They really should've put a disc drive in the series S
>>108113226The PS2 slim was facilitated by multiple die shrinks. The PS5 "slim" was pushed out early and on the same process.Also, you know, power comparisons.
>>108113273Ok, its still oversized, runs hot, and draws way too much power. Sony should have just accepted lower performance at a lower MSRP like Nintendo or Xbox did rather than diving off the cliff of diminishing returns with the PS5. Really I think most computer hardware should do that, rather than the standard being just make the GPU bigger to simulate the gains we used to get from silicone becoming denser and more efficient.
>>108108253For all the RROD drama I think I went through 5 PS3s at the time and my sole 360 still works. Three dead disc drives (two slims, one fat) and two overheating (launch fat and later fat). If I hadn't gotten three of them with points from a rewards programme from the place I bought all my blu-rays I'd have been very mad.
PS5 is insanely efficient at what it does. It's doing 4k/1440p HDR gaming at 220w or under. The average gaymen PC has a 750-1000w psu and the Nvidia GPU alone is using the entire PS5 TDP.
>>108109902now include the power bricks
>>108113396It's too bad my LG 32GQ950-B doesn't support tone mapping such as HGIG as I can't get HDR to work on my PS5 Pro, but on my 2017 4k Blu-Ray player and my PC I can tune HDR just fine with this monitor.
>>108113796HDR is a gimmick. I wouldn't bother messing with it at all.
I just bought a used but excellent condition 2015 MacBook for £90. It is perfect. I've installed Mint and it runs like butter. I'm chuffed
>>108108253Nice fud. I've never had one of they're systems break on me. My PS1 still works.
One day I hope to go to Japan and find pristine old games consoles for sale in book shops >>108113848
>>108113796HGIG is super nice on TVs. It's a shame that monitors lack this.>>108113830I don't think HDR is a gimmick when it works. When the content is mastered for it and your setup works it does change the experience. I would never play Dragon's Dogma 2 in SDR for example, you don't get the authentic nights or caves.
>>108108253>Sony are the worst culprits for planned obsolescence.i have all the playstations. not a single one has failed me. i guess you should takes better care of your electronics.
>>108113244It draws more power because you are doing more. The PS2 rendered at 480i. The PS5 does 4k. Fullframe. At the same time polygon count grew by what factor? I remember that HL had about 2000 in the most demanding scenes. AFAIK HL2, just six years later, did 40k polygons in some scenes. Where are we know? Witcher 3 had like 80k ... PER CHARACTER.The stuff we rocked on our PS2 could run on a single core of your phone. But then you would complain about the graphics.
>>108113976>takes better care of your electronics10/10
>>108108253>>Dies after 2 years>Sony are the worst culprits for planned obsolescence.I've had every Sony console, and none of them have EVER died. I don't even know someone else who has had one that died. The closest I've seen to that is a friend who's dumb 4 year old tried to jam something other than a disc into a PS4 disc drive, which didn't break it, but required the PS4 to be taken apart to push a part back into place.
>>108113869>fud
>>108108240Tech has stagnated since 2017. Everything is having to get bigger and more power hungry to get more performance. I believe in the next 20 years computer will twice as powerful, 10,000 times lager and so expensive only the 5 richest Kings of America could own them.
>>108108253>Sony are the worst culprits for planned obsolescence.All my PS2s and PS1s work flawlessly as does the phyical media and controllers
>>108114520>Tech has stagnated since 2017truthpill I'd say 2014 with it getting worse and worse after that, garbage like cloud computig and saas, jeets and led light PC buildersIf the boomers and genx were still there we'd have 128 bit cpus and 100tb drives just because.
>>108108253That's a PS2 slim bro. Worst case is that the disc drive ribbon can scratch your games if you're not careful. Otherwise, reliable system.
>>108113396>PS5 is insanely efficient at what it does8700g is 65w bro
>>108108240hardware is manufactured with built in planned obsolesce now to keep the goy cattle buying over and over.
>>108114749>Worst case is that the disc drive ribbon can scratch your games if you're not careful.This literally just happened to me. I need to get a replacement now for that ribbon cable or work out a way to keep it down.
>>108114769>half the pixel fill rate>half the texture fill rateNo.
>>108114879Yeah so issue is that the adhesive holding the ribbon cable down weakens which makes it flex too high (bad design yeah). A good fix is a screw on 3d printed ribbon shield.https://github.com/FloppidyDingo/PS2-Disk-Saver
>>108114951Well in my case it was more my fault because I removed the ribbon while disassembling the PS2 (which is when I found the thermal pad on the EE+GS had a plastic film on top of it which might have explained why it crashed sometimes) which probably affected either how well it sticks now or the way it is bending when the lens tray moves (I tried to avoid undue strain but it was it is what it is).Luckily I was using a game I picked up for a buck when testing it, so it's not the worst thing, but I will fix it.Probably mostly use the Slim for dev stuff anyway, seeing it has the LAN port built in and I don't have the module for my Fat PS2, though my Fat PS2's disc drive grinds when you turn it on or reset it, which I have to figure out the cause for, otherwise it plays discs fine.
>>108114071>The stuff we rocked on our PS2 could run on a single core of your phoneAnon, my phone is closer in power to a 360, and its an old piece of shit. There's nothing stopping Sony from releasing a PS4 Pro the size of your average cellphone and making that their flagship, or they could have waited a couple of years and released the PS5 on a smaller less power intensive process. Maybe with a GPU akin to a laptop 3050 instead of the hot thing they had,>But then you would complain about the graphics.No I wouldn't. You mention HL2, well not ten minutes ago I just got finished replaying episode 1, and yesterday I was playing modded HL1. I would be happier if Sony dropped the PS5 and went back to making PS2 games. Or more realistically if they shuffled the PS5 off behind a shed, shot it, and went back to working on the PS4. I think there'd be potential in a PS2 slim sized PS4 pro console with a built in blu ray player.
>>108114622The issue isn't skill (though they do have a competency crisis forming), its simple physics. Transistors can only get so small before they become physically impossible. We're very close to that limit, which is why progress is so slow now. But companies still want to get people to buy new hardware like they used to when transistor counts doubled every two years, so instead they make the silicone bigger, and up the clock cycles.We need to have a paradigm shift in manufacturing and software development away from endless growth and towards refinement of current systems,
>>108114951If its an adhesive problem, couldn't you just glue it back down?
>>108115331Yes.
>>108115059What are you developing on the PS2?
