Has anyone here ever managed to get paying with NFC with your phone working on a custom rom or a linux OS?I tried custom roms many times and I liked them, but I returned to android everytime just because of the NFC paying issue.If somebody fixes the issue for me, I'll ditch Android for good.
>>108108657they make these little plastic cards that do this without involving a whole software stackalternatively they make little pieces of paper that serve the same purpose with more privacy
>>108108657>paying with NFClol.Oh. You was serious? let me laugh harder.Bwaaahaaaahaaahaaahaaa.>NFC paying issueWhat issue do you have, with what hardware, and what ROM?My NFC seems to be working fine...
I can't believe that while we have authoritarian governments like the eu wanting to force people to use digital currency to trace every transaction, there are people who voluntarily give that information to Google for absolutely no reason. I mean, I know smartphones are surveillance machines already, but NFC is like a whole new level of control, why the fuck would anyone want it?It's like if they ask you to verify your identity with a selfie and you give them not only the selfie but also a copy of all your fingerprints, the wrinkles in your anus, and a list of your favorite images on danbooru.
>>108108699>>108109105the NFC technology just imitates what the chip on the credit card does. it has no other downsides compared to using a traditional credit card
>>108108680and you're supposed to carry these 'card's around with you? sound awfully inconvenient
>>108109161this but unironically
>>108108657Journalists are the biggest retards and have way too much empathy for the dumbest shit. They'd have empathy for a fucking rock that got crushed by a hammer, that's how fucking stupid they are.
>>108109161yet you want to carry a literal spy device everywhere you go?
>>108109105What politicians do actually starts to make sense once you realize they already have approval with the majority of the population."Digital currency" is already a reality with the vast majority of people. They get paid directly to their bank account, all there transactions are through mobile payments or a card. Even peer to peer transfers are done through some kind of app and is the same as cash.Going full digital just means tidying up the few holdouts who are mostly old people and ending the charade that the banks and government actually care about moving trucks of paper around to pretend they actually have the physical currency represented in their digital ledgers.
>>108109128You can't do that with normal bank cards. For NFC bank payments, it has to go through some service authorized by the bank, and the downsides therefore are that a) that service (e.g. google) is yet another middleman seeing all your payments and b) you can only use it on devices that the service and bank explicitly support, and they make it really really hard to get working on anything but the most locked down good goy devices.
>>108110676Apple implements it in a way that prevents them from knowing what I bought
From what I've read a few weeks ago, NFC payment is done through EMV which is a royalty-free standard anyone could implement from the ISO standards. But to make your phone do that, you also need it to negotiate a proxy PAN for your card with your bank. I think the protocol to do that is also open.The part where you get cock blocked is that the bank will refuse to negotiate that proxy PAN with you unless you can authenticate your device with an encryption key it acknowledges. This appears to be why there's never been a serious FOSS alternative to Google/Apple Pay. You'd need to contact thousands of banks and ask them one by one to add some rando's public key into their database.Since "cash everywhere" is a losing stance in the long run, this is definitely an issue the FSF should start brainstorming and lobbying around, but it won't.
>>108111051That's fair but it still has the issue of being an apple proprietary and locked down system and if your iphone is not pure good-goy-approved it will stop working.My point being it's not just NFC cloning or whatever.
>>108111078To be fair, freedom-wise, a FOSS phone app is purely some minor convenience over carrying a bank card. "Cash everywhere" has massive privacy benefits that card payments lack. And nobody is going "apple/google pay only", so anywhere you can use a phone you can also just use a card.So I don't think it's an existential issue. But it's definitely annoying as shit when things are an "open standard" except one or two companies have the private keys and nobody accepts anybody else's private key for it. Same shit with secureboot.
>>108111095> it still has the issue of being an apple proprietary and locked down systemfair. I wish we had an open standard that lets you use it on anything without tracking.
>>108111125>To be fair, freedom-wise, a FOSS phone app is purely some minor convenience over carrying a bank card.It's also safer. The phone doesn't pay with your card's actual number. It uses a proxy number that can be revoked and replaced within minutes if it gets compromised.>Same shit with secureboot.You can literally create your own Secure Boot key lmao
>>108111199Your card's number can also be revoked and replaced, granted it's less convenient because of the postage delay for a new card.It also doesn't matter very much because the bank is ultimately liable for a big chunk of the safety. Billions of people use bank cards daily, and as long as you don't do anything unreasonable to reveal the details, card fraud is rare and you almost never have to pay for it.>You can literally create your own Secure Boot key lmaoYes but I'm pretty sure that stops shit like TPM from being accredited, right?I've never actually tried with this but there was a whole hubbub over Battlefield 6 requiring "secure boot enabled" for its anticheat. I have to assume it used some sort of attestation for that, since if cheaters could just self-sign modified kernel modules and replace their own key in the motherboard, it would be completely useless security theatre. Right?
WILL PLEASE SOMBODY THINK OF THE NARCISSISTS?
>>108109105>but NFC is like a whole new level of controlI phear you mean *lack* of control.Considering there isn't much of a financial or techonological barrier to extend the range on it...>>108111051Unless you pay crapple for that information...>>108111199>It's also safer.You need physical access to clone my card.
>>108111232>Yes but I'm pretty sure that stops shit like TPM from being accredited, right?Nah, TPM is an agnostic tool just like secure boot. They can be used independently but you can create a reasonably secure system with both used.All the freakouts about Secure boot and TPM aren't based on anything rational. They dont stop you from doing anything and their features can be entirely leveraged from a Linux based system if one wishes.
>>108112003So was the whole BF6 debacle purely security theatre?I know people were supposedly cheating in it, they always do, but I assumed measures like this that annoyed a ton of people would have at least raised the barrier to entry. If it was as simple as self-signing the same kernel cheats you always used that would be hilarious
>>108109161Just keep it inside your phone case
>>108108657Is this fucking roast chicken coming here and telling us we should have respect for narcissists?Those same narcissists who have absolutely zero empathy for others, constantly belittle and insult you, psychologically manipulate their partners and try to make your life a living misery?They're objectively bad people who should have their disorder dealt with, and if nothing helps, end their lives forever.
>>108108657narcissist is just a buzzword for foids to use against guys they stopped likingprobably THE foid buzzword of the last decadewomen on the other hand LOVE actual narcissists, overt narcissists albeitit's kinda funny
>>108108657Woman wrote that, which means it can be ignored.
>>108108657I used to have it working about 3-4 years ago, but I got tired of workarounds breaking every few months. Just gave up and switched to stock android at that point.Also, there's an argument that narcissists that have a mental disorder aren't malicious and therefore evil, but, if you accept that premise, then they aren't evil in the same way that a Co60 rod in the same room as you isn't evil.
narcissism doesn't make any sense to bedo other people really not want to be loved and thought highly of?It's the norm to be totally fine with being unloved dirt beneath everyone else? Well to be fair, that may be true.
>>108111921Which of these fields do I need physical access to your card in order to copy the info?
>>108112311bait or mental retardation
I'd rather deal with a narcissist than someone with BPD. At least you know what you're dealing with with a narcissist.
>>108108657Narcissists are evil though, look for any community of people who were raised by narcissisits or married to one. What are they if not evil?They are born abusers, and abuse is inherently evil.
