What a failed technology>Nuclear is uneconomical>nuclear takes a gorillion years to build>nuclear waste problem has not been solvedin the time you build a nuclear plant you can install much more solar and wind>SMRs are meme vapourwarenuclear has the most catastrophic failure mode of any human technology (take a look at Chernobyl)>constant ongoing decomissioning/maintenance costs. cannot leave them unattended or you have nuclear meltdown catastrophe. meanwhile nothing happens with solar or windSolar mogs that slop hard.
>>108118304unless u can weaponize the sun or summon divine winds nuclear's here to stay
>>108118304>muh ChernobylStopped reading there
>>108118319Nuclear soijaks really just think they can just brush Chernobyl under the rug kekaroo.
>shartyjeet lingoOf course.
Chernobyl is impossible in nearly all reactors in operation today (the exception being the mbrk in ruzzia)
>>108118347It’s just zoomer lingo. The Sharty has little to do with it
Nuclear is totally safe, this guy proved it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raKnE_yLrhI
>>108118304>russiaans fucked up>therefore>NUCLEAR IS SOMEHOW EVILbrainfucked.Next you're gonna tell me some bull about human caused glibal warming and CO2 neutrality...Take your fucking pills and go back to plebbit.
>>108118359*rbmk sorry I got a stroke
>>108118304Nuclear fission the best non-green energy out there.
>>108118397If Japs fucked up, anyone can fuck up. Your civ isn't better than theirs
If you think fission is bad, wait until you see the billions of dollars and decades of development wasted on something that free and readily available in the sky.
>>108118460Unironically Elon Musk's highest IQ take. Gained a lot of respect for him when he called out nuclearslop for being bullshit and endorsed solar.
>>108118304>spend decades lobbying for laws designed to do nothing but make nuclear unprofitableYeah yeah cope however you want I'm looking forwards to hearing why we had to either shut down our nuclear power plants or make them tsunami resistant. You know Isar 1/2.. The reactors in the German alps? 600Km inland?Not even going to bother reading or responding to the rest of your drivel. Kill yourself.
>>108118304Solar and wind is not viable all year round, you need some sort of fallback and nuclear is the most stable. Nuclear waste isn't even a problem either there's plenty of options for cold storage some even on-site at plants and the hot stuff can be sent away for further processing and reprocessing back into fuel again.
>>108118470>endorsed the thing he makes>called out the thing that competes with him
>>108118485>we can make nuclear viable by deregulating it bro of course I want a deregulated nuke in my backyard built by random guys off the street for sub minimum wage and no supervision of course I trust my life with thatnuclearkeks please
>>108118500>can't respond to what I said just leaks straw out of his gaping pozzed assNever seen that one before. How original.
>>108118514Didn't Germany get flooded as fuck in the last few years?
Nuclear works fine and we are building more of it here in OntarioJust don't use a retarded reactor design or let communists run it
>>108118524QuebecChad here. Ontario benefits from our HydroChad exports greatly.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0afQ6w3BjwThis video unironically soured me on nuclear power, just watching how many people get paid to sit around and babysit this shit.
>>108118530Indeed and we thank you for it
We are shutting down nuclear plants in my country, It's not safe anymore these things have been up for 50 or so years. There seem to be a lack of interest in renovation.
>>108118522Yeah, that lying bastard is trying to claim Isar 1/2 is 'in the Alps'. Its about 100km away from fucking Alps, it's called 'Isar' because that's the name of the very large river it sits beside and the area it's (actually) in is now VERY prone to flooding indeed.Germany still hasn't decided, where they are gonna dump their waste. They have little storage piles beside every Kraftwerk, local storage for which are still being built, 30 years later. There was supposed to be a decision made on a central storage point by 2030. They have now decided to kick the toxic waste can further down the line till 2040. But even in a country which has - rightfully - abandoned the expensive and dangerous mess that is nuclear, you still get industry shills spouting shite like anon above.
>>108118304Solar wasn't viable 20 years ago when nuclear could have been on track to replace fossil fuels by now. But sure let's wait till solar is can be mass produced at cheap enough prices while burning coal surely that's better for the environment. Frenchies were the sane ones even back then
>>108118692Nuclearfags in general are incompetent. They wanted to bury he waste in a fucking mountain. Guess what mountains are highly correlated with? EARTHQUAKES. They wanted to put their waste in a fucking earthquake prone area. They had to scrap the fucking thing when the earthquakes started. At least the Finland proposal is in a seismically stable region, but just goes to show these nuclearfags are winging it with starry eyed ideals.
>>108118436My country is also not on a fucking active subduction zone
>>108118750dump it into the sea like the Italians
why don't we store all the world's nuclear waste in Chernobyl? the place is already a mess so a bit more radioactive barrels under the dome won't change anything
>>108118304>nuclear waste problem has not been solvedIt's the ONLY waste problem that has been solved. You concrete the fucking residue in an unbrekable canister the size of a bus and bury it 1000 meters underground which will last for millions of years. Good luck doing that shit to smoke and soot from fossil fuels, or the pozz and microplastics in your bloodstream.>>108118436>Japs are to blame for an earthquake and a tsunami
>>108118304Too bad literally everything you just wrote is not only wrong, but also retarded.
The only reason "depleted" fuel is so dangerous is because it has so much energy that it can still release.Most reactors only use 1-2% of the available energy but fast breeders and many other reactors can use almost all of the fuel, what's left only has to be stored in medium term storage for a couple of hundred years.
>>108118304>ChernobylChernobyl was retardation on top of retardation. Everything from the design and manufacturing of the RBMK reactors, to their administration and maintenance, to the clean-up efforts was the kind of shit that could only happen in Russia (and still does, see mayak).You want a good example of a nuclear fuck-up in a functional country, look-up the Windscale fire or all the shit that went down at Chalk River.
FYI this thread was created by the solar faggot who got repeated raped and gaped in the last threads s(he) created
>>108118436mf, they carried Uranium Nitrate in bucket pails. That shit was retarded by every objective metric possible.
>nuclear bad because muh Chernobyl>muh solar and windGarbage bait thread
>>108118692>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT THE HECKING 10CM OF WATER THAT'S TOTALLY LIKE A MULTI METER HIGH TSUNAMI GUYS
>>108118692>>108118750When there's 16 meters of water anywhere near the German alps nuclear reactors are the least of your worries you fucking retards. The "flood" your screenshot talks about barely reached a meter above normal directly next to a river. But hey no one expects anti-nuclear retards to not be lying, deceiving niggers.
>>108119083If anything that flood would make sure the nearby reactors could go 100% at all times without worrying about the availability of cooling water.
>NOOOOO THAT FLOODING DOESNT HECKIN COUNTlmao nuclearkeks
>>108119098So magnitude is irrelevant for you?In that case why didn't you just show a picture of an overfilled bathtub in Germany and claim that as your evidence?
>>108119146What in the cope? The flooding was catastrophic. That shit was making the news here and I live on another fucking continent.
>>108119155Yes, it was bad for the people living there but it wouldn't phase a nuclear power plant.A nuclear power plant can withstand a lot more than a Bavarian cottage.Do you not understand the difference?
>>108119183Oops.
>>108118470>Endorses the president who pulls out of climate accords, halts construction and funding of renewables and greenlights fossil fuelsIs this is your hero solarfags?
>>108119098>But hey no one expects anti-nuclear retards to not be lying, deceiving niggers.
>the flooding didnt happen you lying chud>okay it happened but it doesnt matter, stop lyinglol
>>108118436Japs didn’t fuck up. They got hit with tsunami that did all the damage and deaths. The actual nuclear plant killed one guy with radiation.
>>108119155>>108119289>The flooding was catastrophic.NOT THE HECKING 15 CM WATER IN THE INNER CITY! THINK OF THE HECKING RUINED SHOPS INVENTORIES! BILLIONS OF UNSELLABLE 5€ CHINKSHOP MADE TSHIRTS! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! THIS IS TOTALLY THE SAME AS 16 METERS OF WATER AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
>>108118304>nuclear waste problem has not been solvedonly because the USA banned recycling fuel cells that are still 98% good because muh nuke proliferationSo now everyone throws away fuel that is not only still valuable but also stays a problem for much much longer
>>108119146away sit in your bathtub with a toaster and turn on the tap anon. And let us know at exactly what depth the flood became 'non-neglible', in your opinion.
>>108119289>if I pretend I don't understand the argument that will really convince people I know what I'm talking aboutKeep being a disingenuous nigger that will really change peoples minds about you being a disingenuous nigger.
>>108118787The joke is that the place isn't actually a mess but one of the most pristine nature reserves we currently have
>>108119146first time i heard of itbut floods always get amplified to hilarious degrees because they can push their climate changerino angle
>Chernobyl is GOOD actually.>Flooding is GOOD actually (>>108119096)Loving every laugh nuclearkeks
>>108119369you do know we can tell you're samefagging right?
>>108119369Not even going to bother to keep coping about muh holocaust level flooding? Weird how I live in Bayern but never heard of this devastating flood until I read about it in a screenshot of some vague headline in a literal who foreign magazine two years later on a Mongolian amateur cave diving forum. Guess it must have been so devastating it just wiped out the entire area and anyone that tried to report on this tragic mass casualty event.
>>108119461Weird, how you 'live in Bayern' but don't know where the fucking Alps are. They're actually quite big, difficult to miss really.
>>108118304>nuclear waste problem has not been solvedlol, lmao
>>108119486>everyone that calls me out MUST be the same personForgot to take your meds?
>>108119516>Abandon Shill Persona #1Board IDs were invented because of lying cunts like you.
>>108119544Since when does the schizophrenia ward have wifi access?
>>108118692>>108119098>>108119289>>108119369>can't find anything in German media talking about a flood in Landshut>have to ask the google ai widget what floods there were in Landshut in the last 10 years>2024 - Isar 1m above normal barely flooded anything beyond some fieldsHalt einfach dein dummes Maul du Hurensohn lmao
>>108119551Und who bist du daheim, Sepperl?
>>108119580>*woFucking autocorrict
>>108119580>>108119593難道就因為你能用翻譯軟體,我就該信服你嗎,你這黑鬼?
>>108119580>postet irgendein random Ami Magazin>ICH BIN DEUTSCH JAAAAAAAAA!? DOX YOURSELF JAAAAAAAA?! SCHNITZEL VERY LEDERHOSENIs schon klar Rajeesh. Wir glaubens alle.
>Germfags speaking their gobbly gook in hereI'm not even preaching to you fags lol your boomers already shut that shit down for good, which is great.
>>108119580>>108119593Dieser Untermensch kann nichtmal fehlerfrei ausm Google Übersetzer copy pasten aber ja klar Brudi ich geb dir meine Adresse.
>>108118304solar and wind provides no inertia and can't reliably be slotted into the existing electrical grid on such a large scale, it'd require an overhaul so large and time consuming that you could build 100 nuclear powerplants in that time.
>>108119637>NOOOOOOO I NEVER ACCTUALLY SAID I WAS GERMAN THIS WAS NEVER ABOUT GERMANY I JUST KEEP TALKING ABOUT GERMAN CITIES FLOODING BECAUSE.... WELL IT'S OVER FOR YOU ANYYWAYSA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA PRAISE WISHNUI love the inevitable meltdowns you anti-nuclear fags always have.
>>108119638De Schorsch Gaggo reist uf Afrika
>>108118750A nothingburger, you idiot. The waste is storage well below the water table which is the only real concern with burying waste. We are effectively pulling the stuff back into the lithosphere which came from.
>trolling outside of /b/
>>108121339He's not trolling, he's an actual retard.He's moved on to /pol/>>>/pol/528259342
>>108121356Pretending to be sincere about it is how these shitposters get away with their trolling
>>108118304
>>108118436>laugh at russkie "barbarians" saying they shouldn't be trusted with nuclear>somehow fuck it up in a much more embarrassing mannerjaps are fucking retards anon
>>108118692i like kraftwerkama
>>108121483are you an operator with your pocket calculator?
Republicans love to deride solar and wind by saying nuclear is better, and then proceed to support oil and LNG instead. Its sad to say but nuclear is a literal psyop. The sole purpose of nuclear is to distract attention from renewables. It's why the Trump administration shut down any subsidies for wind and solar while it keeps throwing billions at failed fusion experiments. We've been trying to build Tokamaks for 60 years, it's basically cold fusion tier nonsense at this point yet we keep throwing money at it.
>>108121503>The sole purpose of nuclear is to distract attention from renewablesYou bettet tell South Korea, China, India and France that.
>>108121356>CanadaHoly shit the germ was right OP really is a jeet
Nuclear is for fools. The future is Solar + batteries + wind. Also fuck Trump and fuck ICE.
>>108118787russians managed to fuck up the dome by hitting it with rockets, it has to be rebuilt
i am bumping this thread. thank you for your consideration in this matter
>>108119256when did Musk became president?
>>108118334By the same logic: the De Havilland Comet crashed, so jet planes will never be a thing.
>>108118304Solar and Wind are Nuclear retard.
>>108118304>meanwhile nothing happens with solar or windthis is blatantly false
>>108124768What fucking 'problems' are solar or wind going to be still causing generations in hundreds or even thousands of years from now? People moan about Boomers being selfish forfuxsake, then pretend creating nuclear waste now and letting it be some Future Person Problem is just fucking dandy. Nuclear is the Ultimate Boomerism, a literal fuck you to the future.
>>108118773Meanwhile, Armenia is still using this thing>built to resist magnitude 7 earthquakes, even tho local area known for up to magnitude 8>only like 10 miles from border with turkey>VVER-440 plant, so lacks secondary containment building>reactor been running since 1980
>>108118304>>Nuclear is uneconomical>>nuclear takes a gorillion years to build>>nuclear waste problem has not been solved>He doesn't know about molten salt reactors.
last bump from me
>>108125793molten salt is a memehttps://thebulletin.org/2022/06/molten-salt-reactors-were-trouble-in-the-1960s-and-they-remain-trouble-today/
>>108119207This was flagged to Tepco before the Tsunami and they chose to do nothing about it, it's not a "nuclear power" issue, it's a design issue.
>>108118304>>Nuclear is uneconomicalIts only expensive because of ((safety regulations))
>>108127955let's make nuclear unsafe so people will finally like it
>>108124826>Nuclear waste, just sits there if stored properly>Greenhouse gases, destabilize the climate for at least the next centurySomehow burning fossil fuels is better for future generations. Quit the bullshit boomer
>>108118304This is a glavset hooker screaming in the dark about his failed asiatic dytsopia being barred from selling oil. This is what the kremlin is wasting money on instead of fucking off from stolen land.
>"nuclear is dogshit">suggests solar panelsLol, I thought this is a technology board, but netflix brainwash is measurable here
>>108118304>solar>defeated by a cloud
>>108129382>nuclear>defeated by a hot summerreminder that nuclear-loving France had to import electricity from Germany
>>108118304Why does everyone on this board have such low IQ surface level takes on everything?Nuclear is the most cost efficient energy source we've ever created. It's only expensive and slow to build because it's strangled by absurd regulations.
>>108118311>Weaponize the sunBrother what do you think a hydrogen bomb is.
>>108129432>Nuclear is the most cost efficient energy source we've ever created.It literally isn't though.Nuclear power was always heavily state subsidized, always heavily intertwined with military interests and has never been a good private investment unless you can get the government to take all the losses.
Nuclear technology is incredibly dangerous. Some randoms rummaging through debris/trash caused an incident of international scale. This technology needs to be shuttered. The measures needed to get this boondoggle under control were monumental. Nuclear is extremely dangerous.
>>108129880People should be aware of the scale and magnitude of the cleanup efforts in a nuclear incident. It's like nothing else. Even the worst oil spill you've ever seen is nothing compared to nuclear contamination. It's toxic on another level.>Topsoil had to be removed from several sites, and several houses were demolished. All the objects from within those houses were removed and examined. Those that were found to be free of radioactivity were wrapped in plastic bags, while those that were contaminated were either decontaminated or disposed of as waste. >After the houses were emptied, vacuum cleaners were used to remove dust, and plumbing was examined for radioactivity. Painted surfaces could be scraped, while floors were treated with acid and Prussian blue mixtures. Roofs were vacuumed and hosed, but two houses had to have their roofs removed. The waste from the cleanup was moved out of the city to a remote place for storage. Aeroradiometric operations were undertaken by low-altitude survey, which was carried out over Goiânia. The radiometric equipment and materials available at the IRD[35] were quickly transported and mounted on a Eurocopter AS350 Écureuil helicopter provided by the police of the state of Goiás.[36]>Potassium alum dissolved in hydrochloric acid was used on clay, concrete, soil, and roofs. Caesium has a high affinity for many clays. Organic solvents, followed by potassium alum dissolved in hydrochloric acid, were used to treat waxed/greased floors and tables. Sodium hydroxide solutions, also followed by dissolved potassium alum, were used to treat synthetic floors, machines and typewriters.>Prussian blue was used to internally decontaminate many people, although by the time it was applied, much of the radioactive material had already migrated from the bloodstream to muscle tissue, greatly hampering its effectiveness. Urine from victims was treated with ion-exchange resin to compact the waste for ease of storage.
>>108118524>don't let communists run it>OntarioUm...
Every nuclear project currently under development has had massive delays and cost blowouts.
>>108129896Yes and can we figure out why?What makes these always cost double?
>>108129465And your source is "I told you so".
>>108129961It's the same source you used so what's the issue?
>>108129949And you nukefags think dregulating this exremely dangerous technology to drive down costs is a good idea. This isn't some plastic trinkets. >>we can make nuclear viable by deregulating it bro of course I want a deregulated nuke in my backyard built by random guys off the street for sub minimum wage and no supervision of course I trust my life with that
>>108129949not wanting to contaminate the earth for generations
>>108129880>>108129891we can't regress our technological advancement because of leftists and their pet browns cannot into civilization.
>>108129965Well mine has this thing called Levelized Cost of Energy (LCOE) to back it up.https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Levelized-cost-of-electricity-LCOE-comparison_fig6_324024237Writen by Slavomir EntlerPhD. MSc. EngResearcher at Institute of Plasma Physics, Hefei Institutes of Physical Science
>Laughs in French
>>108118304The name of the game isn't energy generation. It is energy storage.Nuclear is having batteryies 'on tap'.Hydro and Geoheat are a distant localized second.Then you have oil, which is perfect for transport of energy. Gas and others again are a distant second.Nuclear waste? just put it inside a mountain. Mountains ranges don't suffer from earthquakes or tsunami's. Ofcourse you don't put the waste inside a volcano.The entire world should embrace nuclear.
>>108129970See there a thing like over regulation. When you have more then is needed. And most Nuclear Physist wil tell you that they're dealing with 1970s regulations being put in place while building Gen 4 or 4.5 reactors.You know like using CO2 Turbines as the secondary power generation loop having water regulations and insane shit like that.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble-bed_reactorPebble bed reactors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVR_reactorhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THTR-300Germans had to deal with Chenobil bullshit to this day. Meanwhile the Chinks built both of these then continued to make2x HTR-PM600https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s41365-022-01089-9Meanwhile the Chinks are continuing https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/HTR-PM-heating-project-commissionedThe HTR-PM - the world's first pebble bed modular high-temperature gas-cooled reactor - features two small reactors (each of 250 MWt) that drive a single 210 MWe steam turbine. It uses helium as coolant and graphite moderator. Each reactor is loaded with more than 245,000 spherical fuel elements ('pebbles'), each 60 mm in diameter and containing 7 g of fuel enriched to 8.5%. Each pebble has an outer layer of graphite and contains some 12,000 four-layer ceramic-coated fuel particles dispersed in a matrix of graphite powder. The fuel has high inherent safety characteristics, and has been shown to remain intact and to continue to contain radioactivity at temperatures up to 1620°C - far higher than the temperatures that would be encountered even in extreme accident situations, according to the China Nuclear Energy Association.
>>108130116>some chart in a random paper about fusionwow I'm sure that's a solid basis for non-fusion energy prices
>>108129398I think clouds are a lot more common than record high summers.
What a pointless post.>Its heckin inefficient! Use solar and wind!Do i need to spell out why you should kill yourself after writing that?>It's slow to build!Not my problem. Not yours either. that's a problem for the builder, largely created by the govt.>Muh waste!There is so fucking little of it and it's very easy to dispose of. There is no nuclear waste problem. There never will be a nuclear waste problem.
>>108118304>Solar mogs that slop hard.
>>108129465All major power generation involves state subsidies because it involves massive capital expenditure and lingering operation costs. The return on investment is long-term at best. That is kryptonite for profit types.
>>108118304You will be forced to wear a radium doped buttplug until you die of asscancer
>>108118304To be fair, there is also a lot of regulation. I have no idea how much is necessary. Nuclear waste might be dealt with by fast neutron reactors or something? I think people are actually working on it. Molten salt reactors also have better inherent safety (meltdown should be impossible). It's not failed.Also nuclear appears to work out better for france than renewable + natural gas for germany. It is hard to compare since the prices of electricity don't account for subsedies. I hope people leave their agenda behind to a point where a good choice can be made.Having EU mix dependency on nuclear fuel and renewables (mostly made in china), might actually be a good strategic choice.
>>108118304Holy shit, this schizo babble wall of text really just boils down to>Well, the Soviets couldn't do it right so no one can!!1OP are you okay?
>>108130121That's pretty based
>>108118304Solar and wind power aren't just an infinite money glitch. It needs maintenance and isn't cheap for the little power it generates.
>takes decades to build and billions in overruns to makeya, it's shit. the whole field is a meme. Unless you're China and shitting out massive scale with a real national plan and wagie class, it's a waste of time. just set up more solar and offshore wind.also nuclear cucks always lie about their wundertech and downplay all the issues with them.
>>108130234it beats your source by a mile
>>108118436>japs get with a tsunami and earthquake>maybe kill 1 guy from radiation>keep making reactorswhat an example, this surely marks the death of nuclear
>>108131987>just build offshore wind farms>justThis isn't factorio, bro. That's insanely expensive both to build and maintain. JUST burn coal, oil and gas. that's the real answer
>>108118750>earthquakes in NevadaNow I know you're retarded
>>108132342>JUST burn coal, oil and gasNow I know what your 401k is invested in.
>Africa and Asia will ascend to current firstie ilfestyle in our lifetime>there isn't enough uranium to go around for that>it'd lead to a nuclear war almost certainly>the sun shines brightest in shitholes
>>108118304>nuclear waste problem has not been solvedYou dig it out of the ground, react it, and then bury it back into the ground. Not sure why this seems so complex to you.>nuclear has the most catastrophic failure mode of any human technologyNuclear has less deaths per megawatt-hour than coal. Chernobyl only happened because they built a super cost-cut plant, didn't follow procedures, and ignored warning signs.
>>108118304Fuck off sukdeep shitsad, you made this thread on /pol/ yesterday with your jeet I mean Canadian flag and you got annihilated for it.
>>108125154>being lucky is a good substitute for being smartSure explains you, buddy.
>>108118485>You know Isar 1/2.. The reactors in the German alps? 600Km inland?You know that Isar is off the grid and under deconstruction, right? Btw., since nuclear has never been economically viable without billions in subsidies, how about you make an argument for it? Reality is not on your side here, so you need some good fucking arguments.But you can’t.
>>108118490>wind doesn’t blow at nightOr however you came to the conclusion that wind is “not viable all year round”
>>108129895>spotted the AmericanYou fucks really don’t know what the words communism or socialism actually mean.Pathetic US retards, the lot of you
>>108118304solar doesn't work. it's a chinese scam
>>108124768Ah yes, we all remember the huge solar catastrophes, when the land around the danger site was flooded in sunshine.Or that time the windmills failed and dangerous moving air swept the entire nation.Are you fucking retarded? Or are you seriously shilling for a terrible technology WITHOUT getting paid for it?
>>108127955Given that the US is a country that would halve its population if you took off safety labels, I’d think you’d be all for it. Especially that judging from the idiocy of your comments, you would not be in the half you think you’d be.
>>108129382Solar panels are actually most efficient when it is overcast. But good try, kid
>>108134277Source
>>108119256you mean the one who called out trump for being in epstein burning bridges with trump in the most spectacular way possible?of course, he's still aligned with palantir and has starlink.
>>108118319Muh Fukushima>b-but japsMuh Three Mile Island
>>108131963>isn't cheapboomer alert
Hydroelectric dams have a far worse failure state than nuclear.It also helps if you're not pants on head retarded in the design (Fukushima), operation (Chernobyl) and cut costs (three mile island) when dealing with nuclear.
>>108118304Solar is retarded honestly. As is wind and hydroelectric. Everything but nuclear is retarded.
>>108118334It's a nothing burger, entirely the result of negligence and old technology. Modern reactors are very safe.This is why China will win this century. They are the only ones outside of the French who understand that nuclear is the way...
>>108118915I'm jealous of them.......
>>108135737China is building out massive amounts of solar. They are the biggest proponents of it by far.
>>108135737China added enough solar capacity just last year to power two Frances.
>>108136070How much does it deliver by mean median and mode?
>>108136070>>108136106There was stupid of me, the mode is obviously 0W.
>>108118304>What a failed technologyNot failed. Stranger than that. Never existed. I first went down the nuclear weapons are fake rabbit hole but that then leads to the entire nuclear industry, including so-called nuclear power, is fake."'nuclear power stations' are dumploads"
>>108132342building them isn't that hard. They even let the carpenter groups do part of it in my state and they're mostly relegated to building pour forms for concrete.
>>108136376And the grid connections? Who funds them where you live? That's a major cost and often it's 100% subsidized.
>>108136593I only know the construction side desu.
why can't solar and wind faggots understand that batteries are far more wasteful and polluting than nuclear?
>>108136669This is a battery.
>>108136669why can't nuclear cucks realize that 10+ year from groundbreaking to working plant isn't acceptable?
>>108136726what is hour proposal?
>>108136775solar and wind.
>>108136838lmfao
>>108135769>>108136070China gets like 75% of their energy from coal
>>108127920>real nuclear has never been triedyou along with the communists need to be flayed alive on public broadcast
>>108139142nah, it's much less nowadaysand China is highly motivated to get rid of more coal in the future since they have import a ton of it, that's why they invest more in renewables and nuclear than any other country
>>108118304>nuclearit's steam power. heat makes steam. of course somebody can do a bad job of that and fuck it up. there's probably some math you can do, energy in energy out kind of shit. maybe do that and come back
>>108139254solar and wind don't work. that's why china is the only nation that makes solar panels. the whole thing is a chinese jewish scam to reduce living standards in the US
>>108139199I didn't say real Nuclear has never been tried, my point was that Tepco were made aware ahead of the Tsunami that there was the potential for a once in 100 year Tsunami that could flood their generators and they chose not to move the generators, it literally has nothing to do with nuclear power.
>>108118436>>108119322What? They put the backup diesel generators underground and the tsunami flooded them. Who could have predicted that a nuclear plant on the coast might have to one day face a <insert Japanese word for big coastal wave here>.
>>108118304>Nuclear is uneconomicalonly due to shitty regulation that keeps adding more safety recquirements as soon as they become "economical" (read: improve profits? too bad, more safety nao). doubly shitty because they keep changing during the construction of the plants. And NIMBYs of course.>SMRs are meme vapourwarewell yeah, regular ones worked fine for decades>constant ongoing decomissioning/maintenance costs. cannot leave them unattended or you have nuclear meltdown catastrophe. meanwhile nothing happens with solar or windWhich isn't an issue in a functioning civilization.Also, build fast breeders and TWRs, pretty much solves the waste issue AND improves fuel efficiency.
The only way to make these niggercattle understand that things can be better than they are, if they start using solar now and not wait for nucleur plants to get built (10 years minimum), is to make memes with the stereotypical jewish guy wherein he is peddling oil and gas and influencing policy to make sure his interests are protected. Unfortunately that is the only language these faggots understand.
>>108134326Remind me, how many people died in Fukushima?
>>108140961>Which isn't an issue in a functioning civilization.Which we don't have.
https://www.helionenergy.com/articles/helion-achieves-new-fusion-energy-milestones/
>>108143257>surely not just an ad to collect some venture capital
>>108143012Remind me, how many people were displaced in Fukushima?
>>108143257>50 more years
>>108134326>Three Mile Islandfor people reading this, this incident was worst accident in U.S. commercial nuclear power plant history, still, its small radioactive releases had no detectable health effects on plant workers or the public,a.k.a. the worst nuclear accident in the US had no health effects even on the people working there
>>108134326If you actually read the report on Fukushima you'd know that EVERYTHING about it was foreseeable and preventable by building tsunami wave walls, but the CEOs were negligent. The actual earth quake didn't make Fukushima happen
>>108118915unf
>>108142230solar is a chinese scam that doesn't work>>108143012I think like 1 person or something and it was due to the hydrogen tanks exploding. pretty much all the deaths were due to the tsunami not the plant
>>108143921Good thing that negligent CEOs are so rare and only exist in Japan.
>>108144831This, but unironically.
>>108143040Well, that needs fixing then.
>>108146046Nah, we're good.
>>108129896>>108129949>>108129970>>108129990It's not even regulation. West largely stopped building reactors during the late 80s. Olkiluoto 3 in Finland was the first new European reactor to open in 15 years when it started producing in 2022. Of course shit is going to be expensive when we stopped building nuclear reactors and all the knowledge retired or died. Even that said, Olkiluoto 3 was a hair under 6 billion euros, massively over budget thanks to political shithousery that made them build just a single massive reactor instead of multiple smaller ones. Even then, if you calculate at 5 cents/kWh it's producing well over half a billion euros worth of electricity every a year. That's pretty fucking good ROI when the lifetime is 60 years.Only retards who can't do simple math think nuclear is expensive, even with all the cost blowouts. And the blowouts in Olkiluoto and Hinkley C are because those are using retard sized reactors at 1600 MWe. If they had just built 800 MWe reactors and doubled their amount both projects would've avoided most of their construction problems.
>>108118304nuclear's failure mode is less catastrophic than a coal power plant functioning normally
>AI bros shilling nuclear plants on 4chinsIn a serious society you'd all be put in cages, and no money could ever buy you out.
>>108118304consider the possibility of educating yourself on the subject instead of citing 15 second shittok you managed to watch half of you inbred troglodyte. just a thought.
>>108146798>AI brosdont blame Elonhe's happy polluting the entire hood powering entire data centers with illegal gas generators. Them bikini pics won't power themselves y'know.
>>108146860I'm OK with getting rid of bikini pics. Let them eat cake.
>>108118304>in the time you build a nuclear plant you can install much more solar and wind
>>108118304If you are to ever make thread in the future, please, don't forget:>fishing out barrels of depleted uranium from the ocean (massive haul from the ocean floor last year)>constant problems and fuel leaks from plants (most recent in UK)>lobbing is purely pushed by interest groups, meaning - profit min-maxing and cutting costs on everything Fuck Nuclear.Fuck shills.Fuck boomers. It's worst energy source ever so far.
>>108147787solar and wind are way worse
>>108147807No they are not. You are full of shit and you know it.Nuclear waste stays dangerous for what is essentially forever. Any stupid cope (lies) you make shatter against that cliff ALONE. AND THERE are other considerations besides that.
>>108147846wind and solar don't work at all and are just a chinese hoax to destroy the US and the American colony of yurop
>>108147896>chinese hoaxu r tarded fr
>>108147917I'm white, keep crying, thirdie>>108147929most of china's electricity comes from coal. solar and wind are chinese scams. it's why china and india never had emissions goals or requirements in the paris accords
>>108147962mutts calling themselves white never gets old lmao, make sure to castrate yourself before fucking your mail order chink bride
>>108147962its still *mostly* coal, yup.then you skipped over how the other 40% is generated
>>108147990>muh 8.6 percent solar and windlmao. I doubt it's even 8.6%
>>108118562Jesus, look at the insane amount of safety precautions and training they have to take just to produce the same amount of power as a solar farm, kek. Of all the methods we have of generating power, nuclear is truly the one with the lowest ROI.
>>108148037The proportion of wind and solar is increasing at a rapid rate. China is also investing heavily in the implementation of renewables, not just the production of technology that enables it. The central planning that China does is very effective.
>>108148100sure thing there. china does not use any real amount of solar or wind because it's garbage that doesn't work and they are pushing it as a hoax to destroy the US
>>108148135Yes, you are correct but I beg you to please not make so much of a fuss about it. I dearly want the Americans to stay healthy and happy with their standard tinge of cancer in the air.
>>108148100>China still believe in its future and therefore invests in it>West is fucked. Knows it is fucked and is ready to fuck the future of its children for a short-term cope.Not to be that guy, but fuck boomers.
>>108148100didnt china cover a whole mountain range in solar panels?and it still only accounts for what, 5% of their energy being generated?lmao
>>108148135China is the biggest producer of PV solar power in the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_by_country
>>108148159increasing the cost of power by wasting money on a chinese hoax will not improve the lives of Americans. you want us to live in pods in cities>>108148246they make the panels via government subsidy dumping to destroy manufacturing in other nations so they can capture 100% of the profits when left wing political parties use government funds to buy solar panels
>>108147846Hear me out, let's just use the nuclear "waste" that still works perfectly fine to generate more electricity.
>we must drown in radioactive waste bcuz china existswat
>>108148272>>108148380good morning, saar@
>>108118750>Nuclearfags in general are incompetent. They wanted to bury he waste in a fucking mountain.retard>Guess what mountains are highly correlated with? EARTHQUAKES. massive retard>They wanted to put their waste in a fucking earthquake prone area. absolutely massive retard>They had to scrap the fucking thing when the earthquakes startedprofound mental retardationyucca was shot down explicitly because of "le nuclear waste is dangerous!" propaganda. the storage facility was proposed to be built literally in the middle of nowhere. most of nevada north of clark county isn't sat on fault lines, which completely rules out the "muh earthquake" bullshit you're making up, but let's also ignore that if that were the case to begin with these sort of facilities are designed to be made deep enough or built with suspension systems where a possible catastrophic earthquake wouldn't affect it
spending all that money on AI when they couldve put it on getting fusion reactors actually viable.fucking priorities
> saarI did the thing again, instead of fleshing out my (retarded) argument I called them Indian, heckin pogaroooo
>>108118750>>108148403Fucking Norad is in that same mountain range and is totally fine. the fins are burying their nuclear waste in mountain vaults too. The singular reason why we aren't burying nuclear waste in the mountains in the deserts of Nevada where no one fucking lives is because the senate majority leader Harry Reid was from Nevada
>>108148403>>108148444Uh oh stinky. Congrats you fucking nukefags, you pushed through your piece of shit project no one wanted. You got your fucking way with your slop.
>>108148476>radioactive particles found in the place where more atomic bombs were detonated than anywhere else on Earthno one lives in Nevada, you gay retard.
>>108148507Read it again after wiping the morning gunk off your eyes, saar (good morning btw). It clearly states that the rejection is because of the inability of the site to contain the waste in case of a failure. Do you want to contaminate the water table with your poo (nucleur waste)?
>braaaap>why dont you like nuclear chud? its great!
>>108148583>>108148594no one lives there. I know you are from some third world country like india, saar, but no one lives in Nevada. it's the middle of the desert. The only reason any humans live in that entire state is due to silver mining (which has gone dry) and gambling and sex tourism which are drying up due to online sports betting. even if there was a leak, which there wouldn't be, but even if there was, no one lives in that entire state. the have like 2 or 3 cities in the whole fucking state. You are gay and retarded. The waste site got canceled because Harry Reid was the senate majority leader and he lived in Nevada
>>108127920"Well yes, if you completely ignore the human element, nuclear power is a great idea"- Actual spastic take.
>>108148619even by lobar nuketard standards, suggesting poisoning the water table for 3 million people as acceptable risk because 'theres not many of them' is fairly fucking cretinous. In every respect.
>>108148427>I called them IndianSounds like they're winning and you're losing, not gonna lie.Also NTA.
>>108148427keep crying thirdoid>>108148594>AISAAR!>>108148686>aiSaar!also that doesn't say if the watertable was the one near vegas, saar! it's a big empty state, saar!
>You can trust us with burying your nuclear waste bro!>BRAAAAAAAAAAP> State researchers have concluded that a magnitude 6.5 to 7.0 earthquake is likely in the vicinity of Yucca Mountain in the next 10,000 years. Of the 33 known Quaternary faults (less than 2 million years old) in the vicinity of the site, at least five contain observed volcanic ash that provides evidence of contemporaneous volcanic eruption at the young Lathrop Wells volcano 9 miles south of the site with fault rupture events at the site. A recognized characteristic of Great Basin faulting events is that all ground surface fault ruptures are the result of earthquakes with a magnitude of at least 6.0 - 6.5.
>>108148754Hopefully I'm gonna be dead by then.
>>108148754>n the next 10,000 yearsnot my problem, saar!it's also literally in the middle of the desert
>>108148802>>108148772>just fuck future generations, lolGlad "we" could drop the "Nuclear is actually not that bad" lie and call spade a spade.
>>108148836It IS not that bad. For me and you.But actually fuck future generations. Zoomers are already bad enough.
>>108148836I'm sure they can find a better solution in 10,000 years. Also it's the fucking desert and no one lives there
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>>108148852>fuck future generationsGenuinely why?
>>108148895It's literally right there in the post:>Zoomers are already bad enough
>>108148754most "nuclear waste" is just items that could have come into contact with radioactive material and is therefore "contaminated".people think all those barrels are filled with glowing corium, but its nothing of the sort.
>>108118347>>108118386mog is not a fucking zoomer lingo nor is slop but slop is a bit closer. Fucking been using mog since before zoomers were even born.
>>108118397>uman caused glibal warming and CO2 neutrality..i'm so fucking tired of this shit. Please fucking kill yourself. Global warming is happening. just shut the fuck up its beyond reasonable doubt at this point god damn.
>>108148952No.
>>108148914>lets destroy the planet because zoomers can be a bit weirdI see.So other than that, Nuclear fags have no new argument since 50 years ago? >just have future generations deal with it?Like, really?
>>108148987It also makes faggots like you mad, which is always a positive.
>>108148977pajeet non-white brain faggot
>>108118304Do you think that The Simpsons is a documentary about nuclear power as well?
>>108149011No again.
>>108118304*cuts your power*
>>108148952global warming isn't real, but if it was it would be based because it would mean the destruction of jakarta and holland
>>108149005>you are mad because I have no argumentRight. I'll also remind that Nuclear fuel is finite, so at best it's a stopgap, making going Nuclear even more retarded.
>>108149044retard>>108149060it is happening and that is what will most likely happen.
>>108149065>I have no argumentOK, autist.
>>108149075it isn't happening, but it would be based if it was, fuck the dutch. also I wish extreme weather was actually a thing so more central Americans would die from drought and famine
>>108149099yes it is happening. yes that is also happening
>>108149052another W for nuclear power and genocide deniers.
>>108149078Absolute and total capitulation.
>>108149052what is a battery
>>108149194A miserable large pile of rare metals!
>>108129970>of course I want a deregulated nuke in my backyardHoly shit people actually believe this
>>108149109global warming is fictional>>108149194something that requires barefoot slaves in the congo to mine via hand
>>108149198>rare metalsI get it that Lithium-Cobalt batteries is the current rave, but there is more than 1 type of battery. And I'm not even talking about all the shit buried in patent hell. Nuclear is retarded, the push for it coming from people who live from financial quarter to another. I'll paraphrase, the Nuclear propaganda is pushed by people who do not care about anything that happens half a year later.
>>108149229>global warming is fictionalwrong.>>108149229>requires barefoot slavesdo not care. more slaves should be forced to give me batteries. I'm white. I don't give a fuck about non-white congo ooga boogas. Also OIL requires about the same slaves.
>>108149245We can reuse lithium and cobalt. do you understand how these people are fucking retards? oil can never be used.
>>108149247Now I want to give the slaves nukes, just to see if they would nuke you rather than nuke each other.
>>108149282so you are a non-white third worlder that somehow has internet. Thanks for confirming anyone anti-renewables and global warming deniers are non-white retards!
>>108149293>non-white>>108149044
>>108149245nuclear is cool and based. solar and wind are chinese scams>>108149247>>global warming is fictional>wrong.global warming is fictional. to would be based if it was real, because it would kill the dutch, but it unfortunately is fake >>108149247oil doesn't require slaves and I'm pretty sure you aren't American, which would make you indian.
>>108118304>Nuclear is abysmal dogshitCorrect. The only somewhat logical/sane use-case for it is in submarines or open space. I'll also point out, that nuclear fuel material on our planet at the current consumption can last for about 80-100 years. Building new power plants obviously shrinks that estimate. So it's a huge investment into an already canned power source. There's also no permanent solution to nuclear waste.I don't know about wind power, but solar energy absolutely mogs Nuclear energy already in terms of cost effectiveness, the only problem being power storage.Also the Nuclear shilling is extremely obvious, which speaks for itself.
>>108149377nuclear mogs solar hard. solar doesn't work and is a chinese scam. that's why china is the only country making solar panels
>>108149423OK, shill.
>>108149446solar is fucking terrible. If solar was any good why is it like less than 5% of china's power generation and why don't any US or yuro companies make solar panels?
>>108149506Didn't ask, shill.
>>108149591keep crying, tranny boi
>>108149609>no argument>weak baittemu tier shill
nuclear is such a fun topic. uneducated dumbasses from all walks of life (none of which are academic) come to discuss various ideas they heard from the same 4 popular "Why Le U should Le use nuclear" on youtube by a video essayistguess what stupid faggot america isnt stable enough to have nuclear plants everywhere. imagine having a nuclear power plant in your city yard run by africans. thats the future. theres a reason why they dont want to do it.
>>108149661see>>108149591
>>108149667>thirdie seethes about America postmust be a day ending in a y
>>108148722just typing saar repeatedly by itself is really nuanced and clever, just like your understanding of nuclear power.
>>108149710normal people don't use fucking AI when they are searching for information
>>108118304German poster detected.
>>108143903>this incident was worst accident in U.S. commercial nuclear power plant history,I was about to say that Chalk River was worse, but apparently that's up in Canada and not in Wyoming like I thought. Don't know how I forgot that.
>>108149729I'm white and American. you clearly aren't. America is the only first world country. cry about it, thirdie
>>108149924>canadanot our problem
>>108148754>the next 10,000 yearsmost high-level nuclear waste have half-lives of 20-40 years, such as Ceasium-137 which is 30 years, and Strontium-90 which is 28. Of those which have much longer half-lives, they typically possess small radioactive yields and primarily emit beta radiation, meaning that they're only seriously dangerous if in very close contact (i.e. standing right next to it with no protective equipment whatsoever). The only way this can be a serious problem to human health is if that volcano explodes tomorrow and drops literally everything in Las Vegas.
>>108150050>America is the only first world countryYou sound like you wouldn't find America on a world map.
>>108118304>I don't understand how nuclear physics work therefore it's a failed technology
>>108150129you sound mad on account of you aren't a firstie
>>108150188According to your retarded definition?
>>108150138>this cost inefficient, unsustainable power generation method is just good, okayYou don't know shit about physics and it has nothing to do with the topic.
>>108150236according to objective reality. who's flag is on the moon?
>>108150328>goalpost-movingOK, autist.
>>108150374first world countries go to the moon, thirdies don't. cry about it
>>108150390First-world countries would fix your autistic brain.If need be, with a bullet.
>>108150414damn, you are one seething thirdie
>>108150498>>108149157
>>108149157>>108150501you need to turn your monitor on, thirdie. you are getting confused by your own reflection, which is a common issue with your countrymen
>>108150510>projectionOK, autist.
>>108118750>Mountains are correlated with earthquakesI live in the Appalachians and have never felt a quake in my entire life.
>>108148583>contaminate the water tablethis is completely due to the assumption that something should go wrong with the facility that it could leak material into the water table - there are so many other alternative places that are valid candidates>>108148686>poisoning the water table...almost all of southern nevada gets its water from the colorado river (90% according to SNWA) and the proposed yucca mountain facility would be residing within the nevada test site and NTTR, both of which are areas no civilian can enter
>>108150253Nah you're just mad that nuclear power is way cooler than your temu solar panels you thought was a good idea to invest in.
>>108118304>wake up>there is ragebait on /g/>go to sleep>wake up>there is ragebait on /g/
https://dtsc.ca.gov/solar-panel-faqs/>PV modules can contain heavy metals such as silver, copper, lead, arsenic, cadmium, selenium, which at certain levels are classified as hazardous waste. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5607867/>CdTe can cause severe pulmonary inflammation and fibrosis [6]
>>108151367>>108151381Kek the timing.
>>108134326>Muh Three Mile Islandyou mean Muh NothingburgerIn fact, TMI was operational until a few years ago (even Chernobyl was generating power until like 2000 lol) and is actually planned to be restarted in near future.
>>108134786well both Fukushima and TMI were quite old designs so they yet had to learn, Chernobyl and its multiple still-operational sister stations are the ones retarded in both operation and design
>>108135769>>108136070They invest massively in both fission and fusion technologies. Theor nuclear output is about the same as France's too, and they're 2nd in terms of number of NPPs. It's just that their needs are so much bigger that it only covers a few % of them, so they just have no choice but to diversify.
>>108143921they didn't even need higher walls, what they needee was backup generators placed higher up so they wouldn't get flooded.
>>108149245Based retard. Nuclear is solely pushed by people capable of looking into the future and not caring about the next financial quarter. Nuclear is always a decades long investment.
>>108149377Nuclear fuel is abundant. It's the same as "rare"earth metals. They aren't actually rare, there just aren't massive deposits on them. Plenty of operational mines already see uranium byproduct streams but they can't capture and process them because of regulations.
>>108151796This, nuclear is one of the most long term investments there are, one has to be retarded to even imply otherwise. People thinking only about short-term gains are literally one of main reasons we don't build more nuclear in the world. Political parties prefer to spend tax money on buying votes and avoid going into nuclear programs, because it takes so long they'll be no longer in power by the time it bears fruits, so there no political or personal gain in it for them.
>>108152059Long term does not inherently mean good. Nuclear is certainly a long term commitment, and as it increasingly economically outclassed by renewables that long term commitment becomes a long term cost for society. There are definitely arguments for having some nuclear (power diversification, stable base load, advanced technology/research) but it's not surprising no one is in a rush to build them.>but ChinaYes China is building them, but again, it's only a fairly small percentage of new energy capacity they're set to add over the coming years.
>>108152174Wrong, nuclear energy is the only future for industrialized society and beyond. >increasingly economically outclassed by renewablesWrong, there is no silver bullet. The cheap energy is going away. Solar and wind energy are both more expensive for baseline load (what actually matters) and require tons of land. Nuclear energy requires a lot less land and has a massive thermodynamic advantage.
>>108150091It is the hot stuff (very short half-life) and their daughter products they are actual dangerous. The stuff that has half-life measured in thousands to millions of years are chemically more dangerous then their radioactivity.
>>108150553nah, I'm first world, you are third world, thirdie
>>108129457Holy fuck you're retarded. He's referring to solar
>>108148952Global warming is way better than global cooling. Also high levels of c02 are good, plants eat c02, it's why the dinosaurs were so big, because the c02 and oxygen levels were so high and the plants so big therefore the animals were huge
