Hey /g/, I'm still using 1080p 60hz (don't need more and don't want more) for my PC desktop use, content watching, and video games. However the old 1080p TV I used as a monitor just died, and I'm on the market for a new screen. I'm afraid of buying a brand new 1080p TV because nowadays native 1080p is reserved for the lowest of the low end, with shit low-quality panels. So I've been considering getting a native 4K midrange TV and using it in 1080p resolution.My concern is how 1080p content (without any upscaling from the source) will look in a 4K screen. I'm aware I can just set my PC desktop resolution to 4K and run content in 1080p with source upscaling to 4K, using XeSS/FSR for games etc, but if possible I'd rather keep running everything on 1080p from the source without any source upscaling (with my PC desktop resolution set to 1920x1080 60hz), using only the TV/monitor upscaling.My main concern is whether running 1080p in a native 4K screen will look worse than on a native 1080p screen or not, especially for PC desktop use and stuff like fine detail, UI elements, font rendering, etc.picrel is part of one of the saner discussions I've found on the subject.Any anons with first hand experience trying this?
>>108146238(cont'd)I did some research around the web and found many mixed takes and opinions about how well it would work:>Some say it will look like shit>Others say 1080p content on a native 4k screen looks no worse than on a native 1080p screen, because 4K has exactly 4x the amount of pixels and 2x resolution on horizontal and vertical axis, so integer scaling can be used. It's not the same as upscaling a 720p source to native 1080p where complex algorithms and anti-aliasing filtering must be used.>Others say it depends on the model of the 4k monitor/TV, 1080p looks fine on some, it might look like shit on others.>The main issue I noticed is that most answers appear to be speculative, from people without first-hand experience in doing this>Most discussions about the subject over the web in places like Reddit and forums are a trainwreck because lots of functionally illiterate retards assume OP is asking whether 1080p content will look as good as 4K content on a native 4K screen. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE FUCKING ASKING YOU MOUTHBREATHERS we're asking if 1080p content will look as good in a 4K screen, as on a native 1080p screen>Even replies from people with first hand experience appear to focus on movies/game content, not desktop use (font rendering, web browsing, etc) which is my main concern
I don't really get what you're saying here. Just set your resolution to 3840x2160.
>>108146238You'll lose subpixel rendering (pic rel), which is the only reason text looks good at 1080p at all. Your new TV/monitor will probably do interpolation which will make content look more blurry too, instead of nearest-neighbor.Unless you have a really shit computer, just set it to native 4k.
>>108146238get a 1080p 144hz or higher screenthose are gonna be high quality, same price or cheaper than 4k, and you can still restrict to 60fps (why would you do this though)
>>108146307I said it in OP, I'm aware I can do that, and then use upscaling for games. But I'd rather not deal with all this upscaling bullshit at source and just run everything at 1920x1080. 4K rendering is just too demanding at every level, you even need better than average HDMI cables, I'd rather not have to deal with this shit and just let the TV/monitor handle it, if it can give me decent results.
>>108146347You can just run your games at 1080 with no upscaling, and your desktop at 4k.
>>108146238>1080p on native 4Kit sucks ass man do not do this shit especially for PC desktop
>>108146347if you can't afford a $3 cable how are you going to afford a fancy $200 4k display?
>>108146322>You'll lose subpixel rendering (pic rel), which is the only reason text looks good at 1080p at all.Isn't subpixel rendering/font aliasing done at source (i.e. ClearType)?>Your new TV/monitor will probably do interpolation which will make content look more blurry tooWhat I've been reading is that there's no need for interpolation when upscaling from 1080p to 4k:>Others say 1080p content on a native 4k screen looks no worse than on a native 1080p screen, because 4K has exactly 4x the amount of pixels and 2x resolution on horizontal and vertical axis, so integer scaling can be used. It's not the same as upscaling a 720p source to native 1080p where complex algorithms and anti-aliasing filtering must be used.
>>108146371My cable is from a good brand and actually capable of HDMI 2.1. I'm just bothered by it all. I'd rather just buy a 1080p60 TV with a high quality panel if these were still being made.
>>108146393just buy a normal 120hz 4k tv if you're too good for a plebian 1440p 180hz ips computer display
>>108146358>You can just run your games at 1080 with no upscaling, and your desktop at 4k.I know. I'd still like to know how a 1080p desktop would look on a native 4K screen, since if it'll look no worse than in native 1080p, I'd rather use that.
>>108146238unscientific report, it def. will not look as good as a 1080 native monitor, but its usable. I use a 4k @ 1080 running via a matrix switcher that needs upgrading. As others have said, upscaling would doubtless offer a higher quality experience but it certainly should be at least usable till you sort out whatever other issues you may have with that.
>>108146379>Isn't subpixel rendering/font aliasing done at source (i.e. ClearType)?Yes, but it's expecting native resolution subpixel layout. If you don't have that, it won't work and will look awful instead.>>108146414It will look worse.
>>108146432>>108146439Thanks. I guess I'll have to look into it for myself. It's a damn hassle, but I'll borrow my mother's 4K TV (same brand and previous-gen model than the one I'm looking into as a possible purchase), and see how the picture will look on my setup.
>>108146238It looks better on a 4k monitor imo. That being said, most content you will find is still generally at 1080p or lower, so you shouldn't worry too much, but now you will have the ability to display 4k natively.
Just do 4K on desktop and run games at 1080p with integer scaling. It will look almost identical at the same size.
>>1081462381080p is a resolution not a religion.
