>>108161749
Daddy only endorses Gentoo

>flatpak
>systemd
No thanks, enjoy ur cuck system

>>108161749
>If you run anything else lower your tone when talking to me.
>*tips fedora*

>oh sweet, i just did a fresh install of fedora linux!
>oh boy i have heard so many good things about this distro from anon!
>now let me get my epic terminal dev setup up and running...
>sudo dnf install nushell
>shipped package is two years out of date
>....okay...i guess this one package that i use just happens to be unmaintained in this distro...
>whatever, let's install syncthing next so that i can setup sync between by server and the rest of my devices!
>sudo dnf install syncthing
>shipped package is one year out of date with multiple known CVEs
>...okay...that is weird...
>hey bro can you share me this file over the network real quick?
>huh? sure! i will just send it using magic-wormhole friend
>sudo dnf install magic-wormhole
>no package available

>>108161968
Doesn't happen on my machine.

>>108161968
>>sudo dnf install nushell
>>shipped package is two years out of date
Jesus christ. Why does Fedora have so much trouble packaging Rust and Go shit? There must be a good reason for this. Or are their maintainers just incompetent?

>>108161968
Have you tried installing your macintosh software with homebrew?

>>108162088
fedora maintainers are lazy ass bums
paid redhat employees expect money to do work that other people do for free on other distros
they also do not let the community step in and do the work for them instead
its a philosophy of "i will not do this work and i will not let others do this work either"
ghostty devs also complained about this
they called fedora's packaging process retarded and full of bullshit politics

>>108161967
kek

>>108162114
Oh wow. Ghostty is not packaged on Fedora either. Damn Fedora is just missing so much cool software.

It really wants to push you down the flatpak path and I don't really like that
So instead of going for another distro, I opted for using ultramarine and just do the opposite of what they tell me which is to just use third party repos for fucking everything.

>>108162193
missing software is still better than shipping several years old versions of software on a bleeding edge distro. imagine when a debian stable user gets a more up to date package than you as a fedora user. lmaooo

>>108161749
for the newfags in here, a quick rundown
red hat's business model is in part providing paid support to clients, that means they're interested at least to some degree in things being broken or nonsensical
back in the days centos picked up the battle tested red hat release and opensause it or whatever, and that was good
nowadays both fedora and centos are quiet literally beta testing for red hat, so you will get newest of the new OS features (arguably that's what makes it gteat) but it will be broken and u will be beta testing for free
moar news @ 11

>>108162193
They have some really outdated versions.
easyeffects is a whole fucking UI restructure behind. I don't even think it's functionally the same thing. Of course the first suggestion is "use flatpak".
Same with steam, "use flatpak". Always. There's a good amount of reasons not to use the fucking flatpak for Steam but no, you must use the fucking flatpak. If flatpak was so great, why the fuck do Bazzite devs have to cook these packages into Bazzite instead of, you know, having people just use the flatpak? Oh, maybe because it's not the greatest idea.

>>108162262
kek
is steam outdated in fedora or rpmfusion too?
lmao

>>108162299
Not rpmfusion, but that's the thing. If you use rpmfusion it's harmful, it's insecure, your shit can go out of sync for a day anon. What if it does? Oh my god you better use the flatpaks.

>>108161749
>be me
>be around 2001, I forget exactly
>pay for a year of Red Hat home support
>Red Hat pulls the plug one month later
>comes out with Fedora instead
>stupid name
>no refunds
Red Hat is still dead to me. I will NEVER use any RH product or work for any company that does.

>>108162326
the greatest trick that flathub (gnome) managed to pull is to convince normies that flathub = super ultra secure sandbox that is the just the best thing ever. everyone fell for it lol. sandbox is a buzzword now when in reality they just use bubblewrap, kek.
one of the most downloaded packages from flathub is google chrome. chrome has one redeeming feature over firefox that its internal sandbox is apparently more secure and better. flatpak fanboys are literally taking the worst browser for privacy and installing it in a way that also shits and braps all over its security. hahahahahaha fucking hilarious. its even unverified and even has a warning on flathub but muricans still keep installing it. what a bunch of morons.

>>108162368
I'll use a couple of flatpaks out of pure convenience but fuck me if I'll ever consider them "secure", this shit smells like the rust of package management, force jammed into everything without asking.

>file manager thumbnailer broken
>no resolution after installing every thumbnailer in standard and RPM repos
>switch back to Debian Testing/Sid mix
>everything Just Werks^TM
Fedora and Arch are memes and I'm tired of pretending they're not

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>>108162262
>>108162262
>>108162383
Flatpak was never about security or solving the "universal packaging distribution" problem. The real reason GNOME paid jewtubers to shill for Flathub is because they want to distribute software themselves rather than relying on distributions to do it. They want to do it their way.

Pic related is a GNOME dev (blackcain) saying that Flathub is going to win once they start allowing financial transactions and paid software on Flathub (just like Google Play Store, for example). His plan is that developers will choose Flathub and refuse to support native packages in any form because Flathub will let them earn money.

Sure, people could just compile and package the software from the open source code anyways. But if you do that then they will reject issues coming from native packages. They will trademark the name and logo and force you to change the identity of your native package. Some even actively wage war against native packages. Just look at how the devs of Bottles had a meltdown when Fedora and Debian packaged their software.

Dark times are ahead. Flathub will kill how software is distributed on Linux. These GNOME folks are planning to transform desktop Linux into Google Android.

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>>108161749
actually it's a trillby

>>108162423
I'm tempted but I'm too much of a fucking gaymer to bother with debian

>>108162423
I'm glad Debbie and Ian are dead. May they rot in hell while trannies take over their distro.

After using it for close to 2 years now I can see why Linus uses it.

>>108162485
>I'm glad Debbie and Ian are dead.
Holy BASED

as a newer linux user, i felt like i had more problems getting fedora to work the way i want opposed to other distros like arch

>>108162459
Well there's this PikaOS thing people don't seem to hate too much

>>108161749
>Not FSF approved
No thanks

>>108162715
Fedora is a bit obsessed with security and libre software. They don't add codecs by default and you have to fuck with SELinux.
OpenSUSE is not too dissimilar but at least in the installation process it allows you to do more. But they're just Fedora but green and German in many aspects.
Arch doesn't get in the way because they don't care much about security at all and the AUR is a form of absolute chaos that works for a lot of people.

>>108162485
Deb too? When was this?

>>108162798
>Fedora is a bit obsessed with security and libre software
Based. If you aren't focused on that then your distro is shit.

>>108161749
Any distro that requires you to paste commands to add "external" repos to your distro in order to play mp4 video is by default disqualified from being the best distro.

>>108162977
They're not really.
But the NSA is one of their biggest customers so they have a big government checklist to fulfill with every security meme a federal bureaucrat was talked into.

Who the fuck is "the big daddy?"
Torvalds is a cunt and Stallman is a pedophile.

>>108162459
samefag, I'm an old ass gaymer, too. I had NG4 running through umu a couple months ago, even though the gaym itself is an abortion. Debian testing/sid is fine for gayming if you didn't just buy the newest unsupported hardware that won't work on any distro regardless. I mostly use emulators which work on all distros at this point tho.

>>108163408
>Debian testing/sid is fine for gayming if you didn't just buy the newest unsupported hardware that won't work on any distro regardless.
Y-yeah about that...
>9070xt
>360hz OLED monitor
>Chinese gamepad with multiple input modes at the same time
I mean it's on me

>>108162997
This, I don't know why the high praise for torvalds

>>108161813
SystemD won, grognard. Accept the one true Init.

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I wonder which distro all the fedora haters in this thread use

>>108161813
better than snapd on shitbuntu

>>108162423
Works on my machine, just get good

I was really enjoying my experience with fedora, but all this negativity really made me ponder if it's the right choice.

>>108161749
but enough about debian

>>108164325
Nah. It's proof you should keep using Fedora. You don't catch flak unless you're over the target.

>>108163537
Nope

Why does it feel like fedora is missing so many packages?

>>108165754
you can always get the missing ones from Flathub or something

>>108165754
Because it is?
They just don' give a fuck anymore because flatpak happens to exist

>>108162798
>>108162977
>>108162992
looked it up
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Forbidden_items?rd=ForbiddenItems#Cryptography
>Some cryptographic packages are not included within Fedora due to US export restrictions and patent concerns.

based Fedora making it easy for the NSA to hack you.

>>108161749
I'm thinking of reinstalling Fedora again except with Cinnamon DE this time, I don't find GNOME or KDE appealing.

>>108166249
All desktop linux is just garbage. Only a poor fag would cope by pretending they love it.

>>108162088
>Why does Fedora have so much trouble packaging Rust and Go shit?
For rust in particular I've seen a maintainer complaining that it's a pain in the ass to deal with because everything has to be built in an air gapped system and the rust faggotry loves to pull lots of transitive dependencies.

>>108166386
>All desktop linux is just garbage.
Honestly? You're right, the reason I like Cinnamon DE the most is because it reminds me of Windows 7 and XP.

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>>108161967
hahaha
but in all seriousness, fedora is pretty goo--

>>108161968
>shipped package is two years out of date
holy shit, it's true

>>108162741
>Sid plus wallpapers
Why not just run Testing/Unstable and cut out the untrusted middleman?

>>108162262
>easyeffects is a whole fucking UI restructure behind
I'm having my mind blown right now on Fedora package freshness. Good thread, lads. Good thread.
>Oh, maybe because it's not the greatest idea
So true e.g. running an editor under Flatpak means zero external tools integration without becoming an expert in the Flatpak sandbox.

>>108162423
>Fedora and Arch are memes and I'm tired of pretending they're not
Based. The older I get, the more I think Debian and Tumbleweed are the only distros worth considering. Testing-Unstable Mix is glorious as a desktop and is where I'll end up if my Tumbleweed adventure crashes and burns.

>>108162443
I wish KDE would hurry the fuck up and fix touchpad gestures so I can ditch GNOME

I use windows for my important stuff. And another computer to figure out if linux is worth it. So far, not sure.


Tried mint, debian and fedora.

>>108168819
If you use Windows, your "stuff" can't be that important.

>>108168829
Ok

>>108168814
No one cares about you, you absolute faggot. Open Flathub and check the recommended applications at the top. They are all GNOME libadwaita apps. GNOME rules Flathub and Flathub is how people install software on Linux. GNOME won. Flathub won. One retarded anon from 4chinz ditching the winner and joining the loser's side ain't gonna make a difference. Enjoy being a loser. KDE is GNOME's lil bitch.

>>108168971
>Tells me nobody cares about me
>Proceeds to care

>>108168971
>Flathub is how people install software on Linux
Did you forget about APT, RPM, AUR, Snap, and the good old fashioned Tarball?

>>108168971
As a WinChad, watching you two argue is like a Brahmin vs a Dalit; you're both jeets to me.

KDE fucking sucks though, I swear they'll let anyone code for them, and I still hate the idiot who made their search indexer.

>>108169359
>https://flathub.org/statistics
>about to cross 4 billy downloads
>literal tech revolution ongoing in desktop loonix world
>"ummmmm do you know about all my boomer shit from 1999??????"
kys
>>108169378
your analogy is probably just a projection but in that case, im the brahmin. you and that other anon are the untouchable dalits. simple as.

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>>108168971
>Open Flathub and check the recommended applications at the top. They are all GNOME libadwaita apps
I know you are ragebaiting but for real though...Why is this actually a thing? Are KDE apps so fucking shit that people who run Flathub are too embarrassed to recommend them? All the showcased apps are almost always libadwaita toy apps. How are KDE devs okay with this?

>>108169629
>Are KDE apps so fucking shit that people who run Flathub are too embarrassed to recommend them?
yes
>How are KDE devs okay with this?
wat they gonna huh??
cry about it
gnome infra hosts flathub
gnome practically owns flathub
its ours
not yours
not kde's
ours
its belongs to gnome, gnomies and the gnome gang

>>108166249
If you are going to use cinnamon at that point why not just use Mint?

>>108169698
Because apt is 17 perl scripts masquerading as a package manager

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> every single important app on flathub including browsers is marked as "potentially unsafe"

fucking ridiculous, what's even the point then?

>>108169939
everything is potentially unsafe tho, we wouldn't be getting security updates every month if that weren't the case. Technology is still being developed it is not a solved problem

just have to YOLO eventually and roll with it

>>108161749
Looking at it from a pure objective point Gentoo is the best distro because you can build it into whatever you want it to be thanks to the use flags.

>>108169698
I changed my mind about Fedora, gonna use Mint instead lol

>>108161813
So what do you use?

>>108170287
>>108170447
I use Ubuntu sars.

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The last time a thread like this appeared I distro hopped to arch only to realize how much fedora was actually better and more polished and so i switched back. I'm not taking the bait again, my distro works.

My only problem is that it's hard to choose Fedora over something like openSUSE when they're basically the same thing just with more annoying defaults. TW at least has more up to date packages in their official repos and snapshots by default, and you can fuck around with SELinux or replace it if you want at the installation process. I'd like to know what's the advantage of Fedora when it just seems like a more locked down version of that and it's not like Fedora avoids the whole "we have these third party repos but you shouldn't rely too much on em" thing openSUSE has going on.

>>108170975
You are right. OpenSUSE is simply better. Fedora is just bad, I don't know what else to tell you. Fedora got more popular recently in 2022 because Ubuntu started shoving Snaps down the throats of their users and Fedora at the time was seen as the distro pushing for Flatpak instead. A bunch of Jewtubers shilled for it and normies jumped ship from Ubuntu to Fedora. That's all there is to it.

Even the Atomic versions of Fedora are inferior compared to the Universal Blue images. And yes, OpenSUSE has better BTRFS Snapshots setup by default and their repos are simply better too. Plus OpenSUSE even offers a comfy LTS version unlike Fedora. Their logo is based too. Very underrated distro.

>>108171041
Yeah I think it's at least lenient enough while not being basically fucking Arch.
I've been thinking of setting up automatic updates on it (transactional). If something fails in the update process I have to find out how it behaves though.

>>108171041
>OpenSUSE has better BTRFS Snapshots setup by default
Having used Fedora for a while this is the only part that I thought was really stupid. There's no snapshotting configured by default and what makes it even sillier is that the Fedora 43 installer formats your drive with btrfs without asking and yet it doesn't enable the main reason you would want to use btrfs - snapshots. It doesn't literally force you to but unless you notice this extremely easy to miss button all the way in the corner you will go through the setup and then go "Wait, I didn't choose my file system though?" and realize you are on btrfs which sure is a choice.

both fedora and opensuse are midwit distros

The only real point against Fedora is corpo involvement but the Red Hat employees don't actually have control over the distro or anything, they are community members like everyone else and must get their shit approved by the rest of the Fedora community so they can't just push anti-consumer changes like what Microsoft does or whatever. I remember a few years ago they tried to suggest optional telemetry which got put in the garbage can quick.
Still, it's something to be mildly cautious about but hopping to another distro in case something bad happens is easy compared to hopping from Windows to Linux (even that wasn't so bad) so I'm not worried.

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>>108171340
The button in question. Look at this shit.

That would be Ubuntu LTS.

>>108171399
the person who designed the 3-dot menu should be flogged daily and the flogging streamed on all possible platforms, for free

BUY ARCHLINUX SAAAAAAAAARS

>>108171340
I guess it's because it's a pain in the ass to do it the way openSUSE handles it. I think CachyOS is the only distro that handles this by default almost as well as openSUSE does. Almost.
Although the defaults take a lot of space in openSUSE.
Thing is Fedora doesn't understand there's downsides to btrfs. If you're going to use btrfs it is imperative you get those cool features enabled practically by default. I think openSUSE does not enable compression by default, but at least that's magnitudes easier to enable in comparison.
What I don't quite understand is btrfs + home on XFS like openSUSE at least used to propose (maybe it still does? I haven't used it in a while) by default. If I understand XFS is less stable, not shrinkable, and has some problems with older stuff (games) and its only advantage over ext4 seems to be speed, but that might have changed.

>>108171399
Yeah the new installer is fucking cancer. All this has now is that Fedora installs faster, that's it.

>>108171399
kekarooo
they should have made the dots smaller

>eyerape fonts
No thanks

Ever since Windows 10's countdown began I started accepting my fate as becoming a Linuxtrannyfaggot like you all and I settled on Fedora. I've tinkered around with distros from Arch and Mint and Ubuntu on VM's just to learn how Linux works but Fedora seemed like the perfect balance between the freedom of distros like Arch and stability of distros like Ubuntu. And it's nice to know that there are updates constantly rolling in from an actual organization along with community support.

I still have no regrets. "Random crashes" has happened to me, like, once over the course of a year now. The worst glitch I had for a month was how the task bar kept on freezing on me, but I managed to fix it. It's honestly the perfect distro for people who don't want to dedicate their lives to Linux and like the freedom Linux actually brings.

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>>108161749
>be me yesterday
>first day using Fedora
>get a notification about updates
>click update, asks to restart
>restart
>use computer for a few minutes
>crash
>this happens two more times
>finally open btop
>idling at 80°C
>there was a bad firmware update
>my fans haven't been running for over an hour
>I have to go into BIOS and reset to default
>idling back at 30°C
mfw Fedora came the closest out of any distro to actually causing damage to my computer, not even Arch ever fucked up this bad.

>>108171955
Shit like this is why as a Wintoddler it's still hard to make Linux into my default OS. Updates should not just randomly break shit. Nothing has ever broken for me in the last 15 years from updating Windows (7 & 10). I hear 11 has been a shitshow for some people but I don't wanna use it anyway.
On Linux it's always a situation where your system could break at any time and you might have no clue what went wrong and have to hope you can find someone else with the same problem who figured it out. Like last I updated KDE it introduced a kde-connect package update that completely broke bluetooth audio for me and the solution was to uninstall kde-connect. How the fuck am I supposed to figure this shit out.

>>108172106
>Nothing has ever broken for me from updating Windows 10
My man I've dealt with a dozen people either not being able to update or having something broken over there after one of the biyearly updates. 2015 to 2019 Windows 10 was a lottery. I had to format and reinstall that fucker very very often.

>>108172156
I guess I'm just lucky then but I'm used to not worrying about my OS at all and just focusing on what I want to do on it. XP I had plenty of problems with. 98 was a mess to the point of the desktop just randomly not being clickable. Yes I am old.

>>108161968
so your complaint about fedora is that not all of your random packages (really, no one uses any of the things you just mentioned) are up-to-date or don't exist and you are not competent enough to build them yourself?
that's your major complaint?

>>108171955
I just skip one version and do a clean install every two major versions, it's less of pain in the ass than figuring out if something got broken this time. It's the biggest flaw in Fedora for me, the updates are like 50/50 depending on your hardware etc

>>108171955
that explains why the fans on my laptop have been acting weird

meh, at least Fedora actually comes with firmware updates. My windows 11 install on this AMD lenovo Yoga would frequently freeze up and give me watchdog errors when I was just browsing the internet, requiring a hard reboot ever so often. Tried Zorin too but had similar issues. Fuck Lenovo and fuck debian based distros.

>>108172259
If you're going to package ancient shit while pretending your distro isn't just that might as well not ship it
Not him but syncthing is fairly popular as far as software goes and that shit is practically anywhere. Like I know you guys want to basically replace RPM with just flatpaks but at least pretend you give a fuck.

>>108172431
at the end of the day it's not the job of a distro to maintain every single software ever developed

>replace RPM with just flatpaks
flatpaks suck ass

>>108172259
>"no one uses syncthing"
>"ummmmm your major complaint is that your bleeding edge distro is shipping outdated software for an entire year even though it has 20 known high severity CVEs???? really??? that's it???? huhhhh????"
yes
if i started building all the shit fedora is either missing or shipping outdated then i might as well install gentoo
you are questioning my competency
im questioning the competency of the distro maintainers who cannot keep a software package as basic as syncthing up to date

>>108172474
What the fuck do you think these are, KWin effects?
Again this isn't "every package under the sun". For fucks sake if it were for some Fedora heads you could not right now do sudo dnf install steam, period.
You're going to embrace flatpaks because your distro is just heading that way, like it or not. You're going against the blue current.

>>108161749
I fucked around with fedora and it felt like a toy is, then I used Mint XFCE and it felt like a very light weight toy os.
So now I'm staying on Mint because fuck windows. I had no idea how heavy windows was until Mint xfeces saved the day

>>108172612
nta but flatpak is only focused on gui stuff
what they actually recommend is flatpak for gui, toolbox for command line and dev tools
so what they want you to do is
>install distro
>install distro upon distro with flatpak runtimes
>install more distros in your distro with containers
>"storage is cheap anyway lmao"
>meanwhile storage prices gigaskyrocketing like never before thanks to ai

>>108172649
Yeah I don't think I'm pozzed enough to reach the level of someone who has to essentially do this all the fucking time with those atomic distros.

>>108161749
Based true and real. I used to shill Pop because it was the absolute best out of the box plug n play for gaming and content creation. Then came cosmic and the dog shit cosmic compositor that broke everything.
Fedora is only one that isn't cucked beyond all belief

>>108172600
>syncthing
You can download it off from their website, don't need to even build it.
and nushell seems to be in copr repo
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/atim/nushell/
it's same version as github 0.110

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fedora certainly isn't perfect, but I have yet to find a distro that is as good.

>>108172702
im not using some random whos copr repo
youre also missing the point
anyone can build any software from if the source code is available
youre not special just because you can read build instructions
why the fuck would i need a distribution repo if i was just going to build shit left and right
and shipping out of date packages with known vulnerablities and bugs and shit makes fedora repos shit
this is exactly why obs devs threw a melty against fedora too
they were shipping a broken obs from the "fedora flatpak" repo with missing codecs
fedora is just shit
keep coping
i dont care if you big bro installed fedora on your windows laptop and now youre fanboying because you are not competent enough to distrohop on your own
take your bullshit elsewhere

Holy shit the anons are right about Fedora packages being outdated. I jumped ship from Arch to Fedora so I wouldn't have to use AUR for a lot of basic bitch packages but now I feel like going back. What's the point of SELinux and a big repo if so many packages are outdated and have unpatched CVEs?

>>108170975
>>108171041
>OpenSUSE is simply better. Fedora is just bad
I came here to say this but it has already been said. Surprising but cool.
>>108162193
Just checked and Tumbleweed has Ghostty.

>>108173134
do you have a list of fedora packages that are outdated and have cve's?

>>108173134
i genuinely don't know why you would go from arch to fedora, it just feels worse in every way

atomic distro or no atomic distro ?
What are the parts that you can't upgrade ?

>>108172978
uh oh, watch out for that bleeding edge

might hurt yourself with that melty

>>108173512
I saw the repo size and thought cool I won't have to use AUR only to learn that many packages need rpmfusion because of Fedora's codec autism and some useful stuff isn't packaged anyway. SELinux being mostly permissive on desktop also turns it into a bit of a meme. I also assumed it'll have support for everything arch does but turns out it doesn't.

>>108173422
>https://repology.org/repository/fedora_43
>Outdated packages: 7456
>Less than 70% packages are up-to-date
KEK
>https://repology.org/projects/?inrepo=fedora_43&vulnerable=1
>vulnerable packages
>curl
>gcc
>firefox
>ffmpeg
>linux
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>108161749
>fedora, mint, opensuse
these are the correct choices for beginners/experienced linuxers
>arch, debian, gentoo
these are also correct choices for experienced linuxers

every other distro that exists is worthless untrustworthy slop that will cause you problems

>ermahgerd i need to make my own distro!1!!11!
no, dont. stick with the basics

>>108173537
Atomic is the future, but there are some trade offs. I run the Cosmic Atomic version.

I do most of my stuff with flatpaks and toolbx/container(s) and it's pretty flawless. Have three packages overlayed on top of the base image but that's it.

>>108173592
>has to run one command to install RPMfusion
THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE
>doesn't have some obscure program from the AUR when malware has been found in the build scripts
AHHH I'M GOING BACK TO ARCH BTW
>arch breaks
nooooo arch is the best fuck stable distros ;_;

>>108173512
as long as you take a few minutes to learn to how to handle pacman properly and choose well supported/stable software, arch just werks. been using it for about 10 years and i've never had anything break

>>108173740
I never had either Arch or Fedora break, I think you might just be retarded if either broke on you
rpmfusion is questionable because the entire fucking point of the distro is being upstream of rhel and by using rpmfusion and random coprs you're breaking that chain of trust
at this point arch makes more sense since aur is more transparent in its usage

Fedora isn't a BAD distro, I just expected more and realized Arch suits me better

>>108173638
>https://repology.org/projects/?inrepo=fedora_43&vulnerable=1
https://www.cybersecurity-help.cz/vdb/soft/fedoraproject/fedora/43/

Are you literally retarded anon?

>>108173638
also https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2023-43ef9f5376
I mean I can keep going if you want. You can cry and piss your diaper about things being not the newest version but to claim that the CVE's havent been patched just because your random schizo website claims they have potential vulnerabilities is fucking hilarious. You didnt do even a 5 second google search about these packages and "fedora CVE patched" to see if you were just fucking retarded or not. Because thats all I had to do.

>>108173849
>>108173896
Holy shit you are seething lmao
Enjoy your broken retarded packages with CVE
>Y-Y-YOUUU DIDNT DO GOOOGLOO SEARCHINO
BWAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
Here you go
>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?component=syncthing&product=Fedora
Enjoy your outdated syncthing with over 20 documented CVEs on Redhat's bugzilla
>B-B-B-BUT YOU DIDNT SEARCH HAARD ENOUGH AAAHHH NNOOOOOO
HAHAHAHAHA
Yes go on and start searching CVEs in bugzilla for 7000+ outdated packages. Enjoy. God, it feels great to make this Fedorafag seethe like crazy. He is probably sweating from his armpits right now and asking Gemini if this is all true or not. Fucking lmao!

>>108173987
>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?component=syncthing&product=Fedora
>almost all of it is syncthing
>calls others seething
>literally pissing and shitting his diaper all over the thread
Look if you dont want to use fedora thats totally fine but throwing a meltie about it by trying to spread fud and then seething when you get caught lying is fucking hilarious. You literally and I meant literally listed things in your previous post that have already been patched.

>posts a 2 year old link for fedora 39
kek he is really just asking a chatbot for links isnt he

>>108174006
>NOOOOO START SEARCHING FOR ALL 7000 OUTDATED PACKAGES YOU CANNOT JUST SHOW ME 1 OUTDATED PACKAGE WITH 20 CVEs
>DIAPER DIAPER DIAPER DIAPERRRRRR
LMAO
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Holy shit I broke your mind

>>108174006
>>almost all of it is syncthing
nta but uh...yes? because the url literally has component=syncthing. that is what he filtered for.

>>108174034
>>108174041
uh oh hes having a meltie

>>108173896
>2 years ago

>>108173134
I mean its technically true but it goes for basically every non rolling distro, Fedora is at least more up to date than Debian distros. Even if you use Arch and you don't update for a few days you are letting CVEs pile up. Most CVEs are memes.

>>108173512
It's more setup out of the box.

>>108174057
>it was patched 2 years ago
>this is a bad thing

>>108174050
????
im just pointing that he filtered the bugzilla search for syncthing and fedora specifically

>aks gemini for a random cve patched link
>gemini gives him a 2 year old link
>"heh i totally owned him with this"

>>108174082
>say something has a cve
>it was patched 2 years ago
>get shown a link that it was patched 2 years ago
>NOOO YOU HAVE TO SHOW ME THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY PATCHED RECENTLY EVEN THOUGH IT WAS PATCHED 2 YEARS AGO REEEEE
You're seething so hard you seem to have forgotten how time works, rather embarassing.

>>108162262
>really outdated
This stops mattering so much when you use your machine for more than tinkering. The schizos cry about Windows because of the updates, but apparently in lintard world they gobble up whatever they're fed.

>>108161749
Has anyone tried Nobara? I've been looking to try Fedora on my gaymin PC but I don't want to deal with the RPMFusion shit and outdated drivers.
Any other recommendation?

>>108174060
True. But Fedora is kinda especially bad at this.
For example, last year they had yet another package maintainence issue: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Fedora-OpenH264-Security-Woe
This kinda stuff is quite common in Fedora. Dunno why this one guy is seething about it so much.

>>108174103
Yeah Windows sucks cause of monthly updates but you're not secure on Linux if you're not using Arch and updating twice a day to get your meme CVE patches asap, or better yet Gentoo pulling straight from git 9999.

i use arch btw but the only other distro i actually think is worthy of my time is fedora so you fedorafags get a pass

>>108174118
>https://www.phoronix.com/news/Fedora-OpenH264-Security-Woe
>https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12617
>closed and fixed

>"it was patched okay????"
>posts a curl cve from 2 years ago that ai chatbot gave him
>ignores 20 cves for syncthing becoz that btfos him

>>108162798
>Arch doesn't get in the way because they don't care much about security at all
audacious lie

>>108174135
I never said it was open right now. I'm just saying that last year they had this problem for months while every other distro already got the updated package early. At least read the pagure link you posted yourself. It is full of frustration.

>>108174135
>We are approaching 3 months since the publication of CVE-2025-27091. Due to the high risk level and inability to release updates, I fear we will need to just outright remove OpenH264 from Fedora.
>We are painfully aware.
HAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HE SELF-OWNED HIMSELF WITH GEMINI
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

RHEL/Alma/Rocky becomes more appealing to me every day, I think even Fedora moves too fast.

>>108174184
>HE SELF-OWNED HIMSELF WITH GEMINI
schizo kun that link was literally listed with the one you posted, you would know this if you actually read it. It was patched, its fixed, and yet here you are still seething.

>>108174184
kek

>>108173847
>I never had either Arch or Fedora break, I think you might just be retarded if either broke on you
this
i had arch break once when i used the AUR and didn't understand the AUR is gay
other than that, it's been solid af

>>108174201
Not him but I'm not sure what you are arguing about here. I was the one who brought up the OpenH264 issue here >>108174118 which is my first post in this thread. Are you saying stuff like a preinstalled system package being 3 months out of date with a high risk level CVE is nothingburger because it was eventually fixed? There is a comment from patrickp in that thread which details why Fedora's Cisco repo is convoluted and giant headache. These are real issues. Anyways, just wanted to point this out. Continue your fight.

>>108173512
Going from arch to fedora is the same as realizing you're not actually a woman and turning into a pussy getting chad

>>108174257
>CVE is nothingburger
It was a big deal, now its not. Because it was fixed. Should it have been introduced with that version number? Fuck no. But looking at the issues it seems cisco were partially responsible for dragging their feet in getting something signed.

>>108174273
>It was a big deal
Yes, that is what I was saying. Glad we agree.

>>108174300
Right, but you brought it up in the context of a thread where some schizo is having a meltie about how fedora is insecure and has active CVE's when almost every single one listed has already been patched.

>>108174118
Comment thread is pretty brutal.
>The vast majority of Linux users disable Secure Boot, use sudo for every command without thinking twice because they don't quite understand when and why it's needed and download and happily run whatever code they see online.

>What security are you talking about? Through obscurity? Yeah, maybe. No.

There's a pervasive myth that linux = security, but it's not completely true out of the box, and even the most rabid linux fans never take the time to learn SE Linux. The fact that AUR and RPMFusion, or PPAs (from randoms) is even a thing is mind boggling.

>>108174308
I don't know, dude. I have no idea about "every since one" but that he is right about syncthing at the very least. All I'm saying is stuff like this is a bad look on Fedora as a distro. I'm not going to pretend to be a security expert.

Fedora is the only distro where I've experienced what people called Krashes in the last few years, to the point where if I saw anyone here complain about it and post weird webms I would think "yup, Fedora user".

>>108174337
You arent fooling anyone anon. What gives you away is the idea some other person would join the thread and care as much about syncthing of all things as you do.

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>>108174335
>This system is called SELinux (Security Enhanced Linux) and was created by the NSA (National Security Agency)

the fuck

>>108174335
From what I read SELInux is very complicated to set up and Fedora is basically the only big distro providing a working version of it by default. But then the GrapheneOS guy said Fedora's SELinux policies aren't really all that useful.

>>108174442
Oh wait there's openSUSE too.

>>108174413
Do you think the NSA wants it to be easier or harder for adversaries to attack American infrastructure running linux?

SE Linux is developed in the clear, open source, part of the linux kernel.

>>108174453
Well obviously RHEL being the primary example. As for SE linux being difficult, well, there's an SE Linux coloring book to make it easier.
https://developers.redhat.com/e-books/selinux-coloring-book [Pretty sure it was authored by a troon, which tracks].

>>108174502
>Do you think the NSA wants it to be easier or harder for adversaries to attack American infrastructure running linux?
After all the shit they have pulled, I have no idea whos side they are on. Backdoors in literally everything. Do i think they are above trying to put backdoors in open source software running important American Infrastructure? No. Im still gonna use Selinux but im gonna be real fucking suspicious of it.

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>>108174118
I mean yeah that was bad but thats one example. Debian is still overall much worse according to the GrapheneOS guy.

>>108174502
>https://docs.rockylinux.org/guides/security/learning_selinux/
This says:
>With each system call, the kernel queries SELinux

So, I assume this means that SELinux runs outside kernel. Is that really correct way of doing it? How is it guaranteed that the SEL endpoint/backend (whatever that is) can't be overridden on runtime?

>>108174533
he's very pro Arch in terms of security btw
https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/1636795336399241216
https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/1830155932120027371

>>108174533
GrapheneOS guy is a schizo, though sometimes in a good way. He will probably call almost all popular Linux distros insecure in some way except maybe Secureblue images or some locked down stuff like that.

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>>108174620
More so I would say he just disikes Debian a lot and recommends basically anything else. But yeah Daniel Micay also used to be on the Arch team I think or at least participated in its mailing lists.

>>108174620
Huh. Nice to know. I guess Foxboron (is that the name of the Arch security guy) knows what he is doing.

>>108174643
oh i didn't know that he was on the team
pretty cool ig
but i was using arch long before i knew his connection to the project
also started using grapheneos so that's p nice

>>108174383
You were literally the one who brought it up my man. I just brought up OpenH264 issue in this thread. Anyways, just wanted to bring some real info on the table. If your best response is playing "Who's the samefag" game then whatever.

>>108174586
>How is it guaranteed that the SEL endpoint/backend (whatever that is) can't be overridden on runtime?
just trust us bro

>>108174674
>Fedora especially bad
>quite common
>one example

>>108174335
>>108174502
Fedora and OpenSUSE users should learn SELinux enough to troubleshoot issues and not just set it to Permissive permanently because of some random guide. But no one is going to learn how to write their SELinux policies, that would be entering the mental illness domain. I have heard AppArmor is easier to much easier to work with from some Arch Linux users who actually configure their system for security but I have never delved too deep in Ubuntu land so idk.

>>108174741
Although it is quite a bad fuckup for Fedora, I'm not sure even Debian ever had something that bad, leaving a high severity CVE for months, even if they might be slower on average. Maybe some CVE afficionado can answer.

>>108173847
RPMfusion is officially supported.

>>108174741
its very obviously the same dude lol.

>>108174741
>>one example
Ah, yes. Let me prepare a thesis of thousands of examples ever since the release of Fedora 1 to satisfy fedora-fanboy-4chan-anon only for him to say "Lol werks on my machine" later. I will start working on the literature review now.

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>>108161749
Daddy endorses Trisquel and Guix, not Fedora

>>108174905
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/rpmfusion-setup/
> This page discusses third-party software sources not officially affiliated with or endorsed by the Fedora Project. Use them at your own discretion.

>>108174958
kek
watch him move the goalposts again
lmao

>>108173847
>the entire fucking point of the distro is being upstream of rhel
Lol thats a weird perspective. Some would say the point of Fedora is having something that works and is configured decently out of the box that is more up to date than Debian based distros.

Using third party repos isn't inherently bad from a trustworthiness point of view, it depends on if you trust the person/org maintaining it. On Fedora, Chrome and Brave's third party repos are maintained directly by Google and Brave. On Arch you use the AUR, with Chrome being maintained by one of the Arch devs, and Brave being maintained by Brave itself, although for a long while it was maintained by some random dude. I'm not sure if there is a way to be alerted if these AUR packages have changed hands in maintainers.

>install fedora
>open firefox
>youtube videos won't play because no codecs
lol
lmao

>>108175079
Codecs is the biggest issue for Fedora, even causing one of their worst security fuckups of all time.

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/MU3IKREOMSVS6RRAJEV7EGQKTHLCFYKH/

>>108175079
>Install Pop OS
>Install Firefox
>YouTube videos play with one click
Lol
LMAO

>>108161749
btw Greg uses Arch Linux

>>108175079
>>108175102
>install Linux Mint
>open Firefox
>youtube videos play fine
wooow

>>108174922
Well yes anon, if you're going to make sweeping statements like "it's quite common for Fedora" then you should substantiate that. Like, if I said "You shouldn't use Linux Mint because it's quite common for their website to get hacked and distribute malware ISOs", and I pointed to the singular incident that happened, that would be inaccurate. It's something worth pointing out as a security failure yes, but no need to make sweeping statements.

>>108175193
"There is no need to make sweeping statements" is kind of ironic coming from you who is pretending every other anon in this thread who says something even slightly negative about Fedora is a samefag. There are multiple examples of bad infra and maintainence in Fedora in this thread already. I think it's pretty clear that this is not a technical discussion for you but a dick measuring contest instead.

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>>108161968
>he wants to install packages in his Fedora Server

>>108175297
>is kind of ironic coming from you who is pretending every other anon in this thread who says something even slightly negative about Fedora is a samefag.
No anon, whats ironic is that YOU just did exactly what you think I was doing, only you weren't even replying to me, you were replying to another person who joined the thread longer after I did presumably. You just cant stop embarrassing yourself can you?

>>108175297
The other example was syncthing and other packages generally that aren't bleeding edge. This comes with the territory of non rolling distros. If thats your concern use Arch or Gentoo.

>>108175328
Boring. Keep playing the samefagging game. Your behaviour in this thread is only convincing other anons that Fedora is worse than it really is.

>>108175350
>gets btfo so hard he starts pretending to be someone else who also just happens to care A LOT about this very specific package
You know, I wont accuse you of boring because lolcows will never not be amusing.

Can someone convince me to switch from fedora back to arch?

holy shit what a colossal faggot and what a shit thread
gonna stay the fuck away from fedora
thanks anons

>>108175350
>>108175359
You guys are fucking gay.

>>108175400
I like them both, currently on Fedora but been thinking about Arch, used to use it for a while. I'm just lazy and comfy with my current setup now though so I don't feel the need to hop. But if I had to use another distro it'd be Arch. Even multiple Arch maintainers like Fedora, idk why the shit flinging.

As for comparing the two
>Arch is more up to date. No major upgrades between versions, just steady updates.
>Fedora has stuff set up ootb that you need to configure manually on Arch like: SELinux, Secure Boot, firewall, btrfs, fallback kernels and initramfs's. On the other hand you need to configure codecs on Fedora which you don't on Arch.
>No need to check for manual interventions on Fedora between upgrades.

>>108175418
>33 posts by this ID
P.S. no one cares what distro you use. Literally no one.

I'm convinced it's just one dude at this point kek

>>108175501
>idk why the shit flinging.
That's just what Linux is all about in 2026.

>>108174905
EPEL is more likely to get support.
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/epel/

>>108162784
>not approved by trannies
Oh no.

>>108175501
>idk why the shit flinging.
No one has said anything about Arch afaik ITT, its just literally 1 dude having a meltie about fedora.

>>108171041
>>108173282
Was considering installing Fedora but I think I will go with Tumbleweed now. Thanks bros. Didn't know Fedora had so much missing and outdated shit in their software library...Plus the Fedora simp in this thread is annoying as fuck. Obviously talking to himself like here >108175501. Gonna avoid this distro for now.

>>108175643
>Gonna avoid this distro
Like you avoid pussy and women?

>>108175662
why are you so mad?

>>108161749
don't give a fuck still using archlinux, there is nothing anyone could say to make me switch after 13 years

Never seen someone bubble over their fav distro so badly. Fedora GNOME fags are mentally ill.

To be fair OP did start the thread in a shitpost way so its only natural the thread would end up like this.

Anyone interesting in openSUSE should be aware it has the same codecs issue as Fedora however it's more difficult to resolve than in Fedora.

https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Installing_codecs_from_Packman_repositories

>

>>108175400
No reason to switch if it works. I've considered switching but I've never found a real reason to do so.
The only mildly annoying thing is updating to the next point release but that's once every +6 months so it isn't the end of the world either.

>>108174115
Anyone?

kek he asked gemini to give him a link to shit on opensuse hahahahaha

>>108175799
Nah actually someone linked it in a discussion two weeks ago.

>hes STILL having a meltie about fedora
Do you think his gf left him for someone who uses it or what even causes this kind of autism?

>>108175813
Looking at the discussion again though someone said its not really a big deal in openSUSE, so maybe its fine.

I do have to wonder what makes grown ass men act like literal children when they're anonymous online, all over... operating systems? Pretty sad.

>>108175787
just ask gemini like OP, kek

for real though if you just want gaymin then install bazzite. they use their own versions of mesa and nvidia packages which you can technically also install in fedora using the terra repo. they dont use just rpm fusion for gaymin shit.

see https://developer.fyralabs.com/terra/faq#why-yet-another-repository-why-not-rpm-fusion-why-not-copr
> For example, Bazzite's custom build of mesa, which is hosted on Terra, is co-maintained and used by Ultramarine Linux.

https://developer.fyralabs.com/terra/installing#mesa
> The Mesa subrepo provides our build of Mesa, with patches from our friends at Universal Blue and most features enabled, unlike RPMFusion and Fedora's builds.

https://developer.fyralabs.com/terra/installing#nvidia
> The NVIDIA subrepo provides a selection of drivers and software for NVIDIA GPUs. We offer drivers based on Negativo17 builds, and CUDA packages.

yes. even rpm fusion is watered down. most fedorafags dont know this sekret. thats why bazzite had to rely on yet another third party repo for gaymin. kek.

>>108175916
>> The Mesa subrepo provides our build of Mesa, with patches from our friends at Universal Blue and most features enabled, unlike RPMFusion and Fedora's builds.
So even after installing a third party repository, Fedora users do not get everything enabled in Mesa? What the fuck? What's the point of RPM Fusion then?

>>108175988
kek. you werent supposed to find this out. fedora is the best distro.

>>108175916
>https://developer.fyralabs.com/terra/installing#mesa
>>108175988
if you are going to reply to yourself you could at least give some detail about the mesa features that aren't available by default in fedora instead of just copy pasting a vague statement.

>>108176090
gemini not able to help you out this time? kekaroo

>>108175916
Nobara is a garbage distro, it's just like the endless Ubuntu spins with a slightly customized version of a desktop environment.

Bazzite boots to Steam Big Picture by default... again, shit distro. I don't really care that I don't have their version of Mesa that is "20% cooler" or whatever they think they've done to upstream.

>>108176148
>seething
i think you're the one who's seething bro, you can't even reply to the post you are talking about. Oh no! I can't give out a precious (You)! That would lose me the game! The Trolling Game on /g/!

@grok tell me about this super sekret mesa that bazzite uses from terra!
@grok?!!!

>>108176175
I feel bad for you kid, you shouldn't be on 4chan if you're underage.

>>108161789
daddy...

welp... this thread is an accurate representation of the Fedora user base, it seems. I'm going straight back to Mint.

>>108176538
>36 posts by this ID

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>>108176665
this board doesn't have IDs, dummy

>>108176722
>He doesn't know

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>>108176919
I do, I know you're larping

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OP is right for once.

>>108177136
>27" 1440p
Lol lmao lmfao ROFL ROFLMFAO

>>108177147
no need for scaling, it's the perfect size for 1440p

lemme guess, you use a 4K TV like a boomer

>>108177147
maybe this internet id verification wouldn't be so bad, retarded kids like you would stop coming here..

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r8 my desktop

>>108177147
Literally the ideal monitor size/resolution combination for productivity

>>108177699
>No need for scaling
At 27'' what the fuck do you mean?
How close is the monitor to you?

>>108178327
eye-let confirmed

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>>108178327
nta but at a normal distance?

>>108177147
>she needs scaling for a useable 4k experience
>random apps not scaling properly intensifies

>>108178334
Ok but in centimeters please

>>108175916
so what does the Terra version of Mesa enable that FEDora and RPMFusion don't?

>>108162353
they didn't honour existing support subscriptions? that's fucked up. surely the sane thing to do is to stop new registrations instead of just pulling the plug on the spot.

>>108178373
>believing anything posted in 4chan

>>108178388
just trying to get more info. maybe i'm misunderstanding the post, maybe anon was in fact being retarded, or maybe it was all just too long ago to fully remember.

>>108178329
I can do fine with it but if my monitor is at an arm's length, but that's kinda close for 27''
I can understand the point of using it though, all this fucking screen real estate available, I guess people using TWMs are used to this

>>108178413
There are a lot of mentally unwell people who has a vendetta against Red Hat hanging around here so I wouldn't believe posts like that with no receipts.

>>108178368
https://developer.fyralabs.com/terra/faq#why-yet-another-repository-why-not-rpm-fusion-why-not-copr

>>108178475
>More lenient guidelines, such as allowing anonymous contributions, online builds, and all packages that are redistributable
Eew.

>>108178475
That says a lot without actually answering my question at how. How is the Terra Mesa build different?

>>108178474
https://lwn.net/Articles/56947/

Fair enough. Yeah, I get that impression too, there seems to be a mass outrange over practically anything Red Hat does. The CentOS thing was sneaky, but the project essentially continues under a different name anyway and the owner didn't have to sell it to Red Hat, but he did. Unpublishing the sRPM repo is the same sort of deal - they don't have to do anything that only helps their competition, so long as they comply with GPL.

>>108178486
Dunno, compare the SRPMs I guess?

>>108178512
If I have to grep source rpms to find the difference then obviously whatever the change is doesn't fucking matter at all now does it?

>has been losing his mind over the mesa thing for over 6 hours
>mass reporting posts with multiple IPs and trying to get le janny to use the ban hammer
he is so pathetic its sad

>>108178526
Oh, you're retarded. My bad.

>>108162353
But as per the lwn.net article, they announced EOL in December of 2002, with end of support in April 2004. The only rug pull is yourself for not paying attention to announcements from Red Hat.

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>>108178349
68 - 70 cm (the 32" one is a 27")

>>108178881
70cm is fairly readable
I guess I'm used to something like 90cm. I'm trying to get the monitor closer (60cm) but I don't know how that will impact my nearsightedness.

>>108161749
Honestly I largely agree, but I think in the installer there should be an option for full and foss options (rpm-fusion). This is solely why I can't recommend it over just installing debian for newbies.

>>108161813
I think both of those have worked really well. Systemd was a huge upgrade over what came before

>>108172259
Syncthing is pretty popular

>>108162243
As long as you trust whoever maintais those repos with basically a root access to your system

>>108180038
You talk as though this shit was happening constantly all over the last 30 fucking years where nobody could use linux without getting strangers to look inside and do nefarious bullshit. Like I just installed XP SP2 again without unplugging my internet connection.

>>108180092
I was just saying that it is something to take into consideration with third party repos. No need to take it overboard

>>108180038
bazzite and universal blue folks maintain terra
the atomic flatpak users are trusting them too so i might as well do it too

>>108180287
It's all about what you're comfortable with. I'm using a third party repo too fwiw. It's just something to be aware of with third party repos
>flatpak
That's not the same issue. The issue with the repos is the possibility of a package replacing system packages or pulling in privileged executables, hence having a root access to your system. Flatpaks often have the same issue of the packagers being randos, that's true

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>>108161749
I don't see a problem with Fedora, it has a nice vanilla implementation of GNOME but Ubuntu is my favorite. Personally, Ubuntu's take on GNOME makes it even better.

>>108180311
im saying that terra is not maintained by randos
its the same folks who maintain universal blue images
and flatpaks can be install as system packages with sudo permissions too while native packages can be install inside your ~/.local/bin folder with root access too
you have no idea what you are talking about yet you keep pretending to be the smartest guy in the room
people like you are the worst

>>108180798
You're getting upset over a small point about third party repos that's pretty well known as a possible security issue

I still don't understand what Fedora does differently from Arch and Debian. Why do people who use Fedora actually use it over the other distros?

>>108180833
new than debian, not tinker tranny shit like arch or debian. more like ubuntu but in a good way.

>>108180798
Flatpaks don't replace system packages with their own deps so that other packages would be using them

>>108180818
those packages arent a mystery box you brainlet
anyone can look how those rpms are packages
if you have such a paranoia about 3rd party repos then just build the packages yourself and dont give them root access

>>108180852
Nobody said they are though. I just said it's something to keep in mind, a third part repo could replace a system library or bin used by other programs without you noticing. Use third party repos you trust. This should be totally uncontroversial, my friend

>>108161968
>noooooo what do you mean a distro doesn't just automatically go to a major point release?
F44 has 2.0.xx in test right now. tard ass. prove it's vulnerable or shut the fuck up. 1.30.0 was released July 2025 and the latest 1.x release.

>>108180938
>July 2025
Jesus christ is this ubango?
I thought Fedora was "a week behind" not almost a year behind. What a mess.

>>108161749
Fedora KDE is. Fedora Guh-nome is fucking rarted.

>>108180960
Fedora is a stable distro with 6 month periods between releases and each release getting maintenance for roughly a year.
It isn't like Arch.

>>108180974
Fedora is neither stable nor up to date. It sits in the middle offering nothing.

>>108181025
Deranged. You still have up to a year and they don't ship breaking changes. Just because you think a year isn't long enough doesn't make it not stable. I still had to manually migrate dovecot config on upgrade to F43.

>>108180884
dont trust anybody brainlet
make your own repos
build your own packages
write your own software

>>108181072
No need to be childish, anon

>>108181091
this isn't a game to me

>>108181102
Alright anon

>>108175916
Thanks for telling me about the Terra repo, friend. Replaced the Ghostty COPR with a package from this repo :)

>>108181123
You're trusting a rando 3rd party with that package anon. It has root privileges on your system. I wouldn't trust it if I were you. Why not try Flatpak? It's just better and much safer. The comfy sandbox keeps you safe in Flatpak. It was designed by a team of security experts. Flatpak is the best we have, anon.

>>108181152
I will never install flatpak snappak brappak or crappak no matter how much you shill for it in this thread :) Thanks for the suggestion though

>>108181182
Enjoy your malware.

I will literally never use an operating system called "fedora". Have some self-respect.

>>108181366
>Have some self-respect.
I do
*tips*

>>108181366
fedora is like the only distro i can install and just use. any other distro has just missing stuff or has to be setup. it just works. if the name is the only problem it's a good distro.

>>108181366
This. They should have just called it Blue Hat instead of Red Hat. Then we could have made threads asking people if they are redpilled or bluepilled.

>>108175501
Best and most informative post in this thread, fuck you niggers.

>>108181463
I mean the logo
Universal Blue
Ultramarine
Vote blue no matter who the distro and community as an entire whole

Don't care, still using Mint.

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>Fedora GNOME
based
>Fedora KDE
cringe

>>108161749
no, thanks. dnf is one of the most stinky package managers that I have ever used. pacman is shit too btw, but at least it's fast.

this thread made me switch back to arch

Was about to switch my entire IT infrastructure over to Linux, this thread made me start a new contract with Windows. When I announced the good news, everyone clapped.

>>108169629
The real answer is that all of the GNOME Core and Circle apps are very tightly integrated. Many of them, actually nearly all I have right now, share the same runtimes. After installing just one the second will practically be the size of a native app to install because they aren't each bringing their own runtimes. It's really nice on atomic distros like Silverblue that's using GNOME because atomic distros are flatpaking every GUI app. It lets them have all of the desktop environment core apps without bloating the fuck out of the OS.
It's one of the best examples of flatpak usage even if you think the programs themselves are shit.

>>108184472
what were the issues you had?

>>108161813
>systemd standardized the boot and service management process on Linux
>flatpak standardized the GUI application delivery on Linux
Both flatpak and systemd are unironically great. If I wanted a shitty OS that doesn't work I'd just use TempleOS instead of Linux.

>>108162088
Because programming language tools are not supposed to be managed or packaged by your fucking OS/distro.

>>108162443
>they want to distribute software themselves rather than relying on distributions to do it
Which is based and redpilled and the only sane way to ship software. Imagine thinking Microsoft should be the ones to package all the software/games a Windows user wants to install. That's retarded.
>Flathub will kill how software is distributed on Linux.
Good. It was dysfunctional and never worked outside of some servers.
>planning to transform desktop Linux into Google Android.
That's the exact opposite of what's happening. A distribution acting as an intermediary between you and the software developer/publisher who built an application is effectively the same thing as Google gatekeeping Android apps on Play Store. With the only difference being that Google has less say and breaks less applications than a distribution maintainer would.

>>108186887
>Which is based and redpilled and the only sane way to ship software. Imagine thinking Microsoft should be the ones to package all the software/games a Windows user wants to install. That's retarded.

Flathub being the sole source isn't much better, Anon. Yes yes I know "technically" you can have other Flatpak stores, but that's no different than 3rd party repos for distros, which nobody uses.

>>108187340
>Flathub being the sole source isn't much better, Anon
Everything I need is there.