>>108161991
>can't minimize windows
learn to use workspaces you absolute fucking retard. there is no usecase for minimizing windows in gnome
>99 of titlebar is undraggable
your mom is undraggable
>still not ready for Wayland
your lil brain is not ready for gnome (wayland)

listen up
gnome rules over wayland lil bro
gnome made wayland
if gnome decides that wayland will not have server-side decorations as a part of core wayland protocols then that is what happens
kdejeets got a problem? too bad because we will fuckin NACK ya
enjoy your wayland protocol """extensions""" or boomer outdated x11 shit
my homeboy sebastian wick runs this shit
desktop linux is gnome's bitch
firefox uses gnome toolkit
libreoffice uses gnome toolkit
inkscape uses gnome toolkit
nobody uses qtshit
gnome gang won

>>108162057
>use workspaces
No. I want a taskbar plus systray.

>>108161991
maybe don't use the outdated distro on release perchance

>>108162084
honestly based

>>108162084
no one cares what you want you entitled lil bitch
open source is not about you
desktop linux is not about you
this is gnome's domain
keep crying about wanting kdejeet slopma to replace gnome is distros
its never gonna happen

I feel bad for the people who wanna try Linux, get talked into Gnome crap like Fedora, try it, and never use Linux again because Gnome is so fucking terrible.

>>108161991
>"I want to customize my desktop like I customize my body"
>"Why does it kra-ACKKKK"

>>108162254
that's the goal
imagine thinking Gnome is anything but controlled opposition

>>108162254
I unironically asked ChatGPT first, then Google's AI second. Gave them what I wanted (stable, Winshit-like feeling - noob Linux) both told me to get Mint either Cinnamon or XFCE. Went with XFCE since I couldn't care less about modern optics and now I'm happy as a pig in the mud for about four months.
I did ask the Linux General first but as you might imagine I got a dozen answers and a dozen different distros. Every swinging dick in there just wanted to shill his fucking piece of shit distro. Only one anon recommended Mint. So I said fuck it and asked the AI. Used the same prompt both times, got basically identical answers so here we are.

>>108161991
Just use COSMIC. It's like a half-GNOME half-KDE DE. Minimize is there and you have customization choices whether you want the tray, dashboard, taskbar, etc.It's great

>>108162057
>no usecase
Debussy is that you?

>>108162254
I've been using Debian with KDE Plasma for months after switching from W10 and it just werks.
Never listen to /g/ hipsters.

>>108162348
>Debian with KDE Plasma
Comfiest combo

File: 1760967870333023.png (162 KB, 540x495)

162 KB PNG

>>108161991
>Picrel
August
>can't minimise windows
doesn't know about refine, doesn't about [super] + [H]
>99% of any given titlebar is undraggable
skill issue + doesn't know about holing [super] and clicking anywhere at the window to drag.
>still not ready for Wayland
Sauce? GNOME has actually one of the best wayland support.
>Why is this shit accepted as the "workstation" DE
stable releases, enterprise specific requests and collaboration.
>About OP
Fucking jeet that never really uses GuhNOME. While I do agree that most people would prefer KDE Plasma, check your facts next time, hope that helps.

>>108162348
Even KDE developers themselves don't recommend KDE with Debian. Listen to the people who actually write the code for the software you use instead of listening to /g/ hipsters.

>>108162429
cooked em

>>108162429
>GNOME has actually one of the best wayland support
Where's xdg_decoration-v2 support?

>>108162057
ebussy, is this you?

File: kneel.gif (1.42 MB, 256x320)

1.42 MB GIF

>>108162057
Ebasedi-sama, I kneel...

>>108162588
>v2
didn't even know there's a second version. does any compositor actually uses it instead of v1? wayland's page shows no compositor found.

File: 1745830352453741.png (80 KB, 200x200)

80 KB PNG

Usecase for having sex with GNOME?

>>108162653
also, whoever comes up with these names really needs to kill himself.
>xdg_toplevel_csd_configuration_v2_supports_not_drawing_csd(struct xdg_toplevel_csd_configuration_v2 *)

Gentoo + plasma
you don't need more

>>108162588
Not a part of core wayland protocols. It's optional. We don't want it.

>>108161991
>I'm a retarded faggot baby duck
No one cares. Tech support is off-topic.

>>108162057
fpbp. use-case gods won.
But in all seriousness. Minimizing is a meme. Why do you have a stacking window manager then? Super key shows you all windows in a workspace, holding super lets you drag anything.
OP is a faggot and ebussy won.

>>108162808
>>108162429
Can't do these on a tablet despite GNOME aping iPads so hard kek

>>108162736
xdg-shell is not also part of the core wayland protocols, yet gnomes depends on it. that and a bunch of non-xdg procotols. kys.

File: 1770558811795976.jpg (76 KB, 768x960)

76 KB JPG

>>108161991
Holy shit stop crying and go back to KDE so you can continue tinkering with settings like a tinkertranny. GNOME is for gigachads, not you

File: 1740973812700917.png (59 KB, 200x200)

59 KB PNG

>>108162890
I don’t think it is helpful at all that you keep singling out mutter and/or GNOME and try to mischaracterize them. And please respect that I have my own opinions. I am not a spokesperson for any project, and I don’t apprexlciste being treated like one.

>>108162937
But I don't need to tinker with Plasma to get a systray.

>>108162508
Why should I care if it just works?

File: download.jpg (20 KB, 344x226)

20 KB JPG

GNOME is for people who only run terminal emulators and a web browser

>>108162971
then why is Gnome's new terminal so fucking terrible

>>108162970
"It" always just works anyways. Who cares.

>>108162808
>Minimizing is a meme. Why do you have a stacking window manager then?
I'd like to minimise and open applications just by clicking once on the taskbar icon instead of having to go through this big fucking process pulling up some workspace manager and yanking my mouse around opposite corners of the screen multiple times

>>108162979
Because GNOME people are terrible at designing user interfaces. .

File: Windows_8.1_Pro_Default_S(...).png (83 KB, 751x422)

83 KB PNG

Even Windows 8 did the GNOME thing better than GNOME:
>the search results weren't fucking useless
>still had a systray
>still had a taskbar
>still had minimize and maximize buttons
>had lower system requirements than GNOME, which is honestly sad

> The discussion is highly biased and lacks factual resolution. The original poster’s criticisms of GNOME (e.g., window minimization issues, Wayland readiness) are valid technical concerns. However, the replies are dominated by defensiveness, misinformation (e.g., claiming GNOME "made Wayland"), and personal attacks, which overshadow constructive debate. In this context, the side advocating for KDE/Plasma is more likely to be believed by those seeking alternatives, but the debate remains toxic and unresolved, with no clear consensus.

I use LXQt, it looks normal not like a weird android phone thing

>>108163091
Thanks for the summary, chat!

>>108163041
>>still had a taskbar
Extensions -> Window List
Or Dash to Dock if you want something fancy

>>108161991
>>can't minimise windows
Tweaks -> Windows -> Minimize
>>still not ready for Wayland
It took years but as of whatever version Debian Stable ships Wayland finally works better than Xorg

>>108161991
the fuck are you doing minimising so much ?

>>108161991
at this point cosmic rc3 will probably beat kde in all aspects, the big legacy DE's cant be saved

File: brodie.png (414 KB, 791x1118)

414 KB PNG

>>108161991
nice try, neck beard

>>108165716
KDE is being already obliterated by Hyprland, when your whole audience is based in "desktop ricing" it is normal they abandon you when a new shiny new things arrives.

>>108162429
>doesn't know about
Well yes because GNOME's discoverability is dogshit. You need GNOME tweaks to discover a bunch of gsettings and the tour doesn't explain a thing. The way GNOME tries as hard as possible to be the most intuitive simplest UI for as many users as possible, while also not teaching users a thing about how it works, sums up how I grew to hate them.
>the user does not understand the UI ebussy what should we do
>the goal is to create a UI that eventually can be understood, not to have to teach people how to use it
>yes but we're not there yet and people are bouncing off every day, maybe we could do something else in the meantime while we
>the goal is to...
Same with tray icons and everything else. Users expect thing, we have alternative, alternative does not actually replace thing, we will proceed regardless use extensions lol

It's sending soldiers off to war without helmets and then telling them that cheaply mass producing some cheap metal option to fill in the gap would add unnecessary complexity to the supply chain. Except you never finish the original fucking helmet design so now half of your army relies on third party black market suppliers to get what they feel they need. Then when the soldiers complain you tell them
>actually if we were fighting optimally, you would not be fired upon in the first place, so you would not need a helmet
But we're not fighting optimally and the war has raged for a decade without official helmets. It's the late stage Soviet Union of desktops. Everyone knows they're being lied to but proceed regardless.

>>108162057
Insane delusional tardposting. Every Linux user I know is on either KDE or some meme env like sway

>>108161991
>can't minimise windows
You can complain about a gorillon things about the footfag DE, but this in particular isn't an issue.

>>108162235
I hope you're having fun posting inflammatory nonsense. However, your bedtime is coming up soon, and your mom and I have to go do something, so put your iPhone in the night cupboard and go brush your teeth.

Linux is a honeypot

>>108162998
And you're a retarded baby duck faggot. Your workflow is shit and you're more than welcome to fuck off back to KDE like a retard that you are.
GNOME objectively heems any desktop I've ever used and I don't even know how anyone could use anything else.

File: 1763381380024140.png (251 KB, 460x460)

251 KB PNG

>>108162057
>there is no usecase

>>108166525
If that were the case, wouldn't the NSA make it good? Where's the honey?

Genuinely what's the appeal of GNOME?
DEs that are based off Windows are just way better looking & feel better to use.

>>108163943
>just use an extension
I shouldn't have to do homework to get basic functionality that every other DE already defaults to. And why should I trust that your preferred "Window List" extension is the most superior taskbar extension available on GNOME, out of dozens?

>>108166908
thing is, the whole usecase bullshit is actually just outright lazines at this point. it's pure sloth dressed up as standards and technical insight, mixed with the typical german lust for control. what an insufferable faggot.

>>108161991
>when will Plasma replace it as the default desktop environment across distros?
When it fixes touchpad gestures

>>108162331
Mint is a good stable distro that just works so it's a sensible choice to recommend for a first-time user but it's rarely a first recommendation here because of outdated packages (maybe you'll get somewhat worse gaming performance if that's a relevant use case) and the assumption (maybe wrong) that anons are more likely to be capable of dealing with at least minor technical issues that require terminal use or w/e
I'd probably have gone with Cinnamon personally, it's a very clean and functional DE. Like 'what if Windows became more user friendly over time instead of less'

>>108168993
once gnome os becomes more stable nobody will choose meme distros like loonix minty
gnome os is where its at
gnome os will win the war

>>108167636
I don't know if it's the best one but it's the one that GNOME ships with, it's a first party thing.
It's also enabled if you launch a "GNOME classic" session, IIRC along with the traditional titlebar buttons and some other changes.

>>108161991
you can enabe the minimize buttons in the tweaks app theyre just not enabled by default for some reason
>still not ready for Wayland
what do you even mean by this i havent had any problems on gnome gayland for like 6 years or something

>>108161991
>can't minimise windows
Just get the hot edge extension.
https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/4222/hot-edge/
>99 of titlebar is undraggable
Hold the Windows button and drag?
>still not ready for Wayland
Nvidia isn't realy for Wayland

>>108169297
>>108169515
GNOME 46 doesn't work with NVIDIA Wayland and that's the current version on Ubuntu LTS/derivatives
>Just get the hot edge extension
Why should I do that instead of sticking with Plasma?
>Hold the Windows button and drag?
Doesn't work on tablets. And I'm also not going to teach my mother to do that.

>>108169563
>GNOME 46 doesn't work with NVIDIA Wayland and that's the current version on Ubuntu LTS/derivatives
yeah nvidia is shit not a gnome problem
>Why should I do that instead of sticking with Plasma?
nta but why even make the thread? you dont want to use gnome and dont like gnome so whats the point youre complaining about something thats designed to be used in a different way to what you like (winslop ui)

>>108169665
>nvidia is shit
The exact same driver works fine on newer versions of GNOME as well as GNOME 46's contemporaries like the then-existing versions of Plasma.
>why even make the thread?
Because it shouldn't be the "default" DE?
>winslop ui
Windows didn't invent minimising windows, and GNOME distros are currently the only major desktop operating systems to lack this functionality; Windows has it, Mac has it, ChromeOS has it, and just about every Linux DE (except maybe TWM's?) has it.

>>108169717
>Because it shouldn't be the "default" DE?
why not i think gnome is way better than kde, just because you dont like it doesnt mean others dont also regarding minimizing
i already said it can be enabled in the tweaks app, designers dont want it for whatever reason so its disabled by default

>has enough brain capacity to install linux
>not enough to customise GNOME with shell extentions and gnome tweaks

enjoy your Krashes I guess

>>108169758
Post beef.

>>108169737
>it can be enabled in the tweaks app
Why should I install the tweaks app instead of installing Plasma?

>>108169773
why should anyone other than yourself care about what you do with your computer?

>>108169773
one takes a couple of gigabytes to install, the other takes megabytes?

File: Screenshot From 2026-02-1(...).png (1.01 MB, 1920x1200)

1.01 MB PNG

>>108169763
>beef?
but what did she mean by this?

I can post a screenshot tho

>>108169789
Why should I install a distro with GNOME and then install the tweaks app, instead of just installing a distro with Plasma?

>>108169810
>implying you're not going to go and tweak the fuck out of KDE anyways

get the fuck out of here, if you enjoy that ugly unstable abomination then it's your choice

>>108169823
>implying you're not going to go and tweak the fuck out of KDE anyways
No, I'm not, because it's just fine out of the box.
>unstable
You know KDE 4 came out during the Bush presidency, right?

>>108166983
They all feel clunky and obtuse after years of using GNOME. Launching an application is as easy as Super+1-0. Maximizing an application is as easy as Super+Up. Moving to a new workspace is as simple as Super+Mousewheel. If I need to find a specific program or file I don’t use often I just hit super and start typing.

>>108169717
>Because it shouldn't be the "default" DE?
keep crying about this
this aint about whats better
this is politics
and we won
gnome won
you have no power to change anything here
foss is not a democracy
its just not
cry all you want but gnome will always be the leader and kde will be the second class afterthough lil bitch de that only gaymer distros use

>download 2 apps at 1mb each on flatpak
>have to download 2gb of entire gnome sdk for version 48 and 49
gnome is cancer

>>108169859
>heh gayming is gay, unlike shitposting on 4chan

>>108169842
liking KDE is like Pugs and Chihuahuas. Unholy inbred, sick, mutated, ugly abominations that are genetically doomed as breeds

>>108169866
keep gaymin lil bro

>>108169868
There is nothing wrong with inbreeding if you have good genetics. Is this an admission that GNOME is for people whose alleles are deleterious?

>>108169900
ok Rajeesh

File: b_dontlaugh[BUST].png (151 KB, 569x549)

151 KB PNG

>>108169921
Try again. Hyperborea is your sister's womb.

>>108169900
Checked

File: 1767545666936696.jpg (20 KB, 460x460)

20 KB JPG

>>108168993
Cinnamon uses js for their gui, (maybe?) even python for the desktop shell, it's slow, a DE should ease your use of a pc, not retard it. XFCE is just a better version of cinnamon.

I tried most what can be seriously tried on userland linux, and I came to the conclusion that the best DE and beginner friendly way of using linux is XFCE + Debian stable. The packages are old, but they're well tested and important fixes are backported and there's no way debian will break.

>>108162508
>krashes

>>108162057
There is no usecase for using gnome.

>>108171395
How is Xfce user-friendly when it lacks a superbar?

>>108169717
>Windows didn't invent minimising windows, and GNOME distros are currently the only major desktop operating systems to lack this functionality; Windows has it, Mac has it, ChromeOS has it, and just about every Linux DE (except maybe TWM's?) has it.
This holy shit, why does GNOME feel the need to reinvent the wheel but worse? I don't want to jerk my mouse all accross the screen to switch windows. I don't want to use 30 different keyboard shortcuts to drag my windows on the screen how I want. I genuinely think people who say they prefer this are trolling or are so high on their own fart fumes they don't see how stupid this is. What the usecase for this retardation?

>>108171449
They're even bigger slaves than Applefags. If the next version of GNOME brought back a taskbar and proper window buttons, they'd ding its praises and not a single one would miss the bullshit GNOME transmogrified into after 2010.

>>108169851
It's fucking hilarious how Gnome calls it the Super key everywhere including their built-in tutorial but basically no keyboard out there has a key labelled "Super". That's totally not gonna confuse anyone. Very newbie-friendly.

>>108171437
What is that? There's in the default install the upper bar with everything you need, and a bottom bar with applications to click, like MacOS, but you customize it.

>>108171488
It's understandable since everyone knows GNOME3 was developed specifically for LISP machines with space cadet keyboards

File: Quick launch vs superbar.jpg (59 KB, 388x388)

59 KB JPG

>>108171496
>What is that?
It's how the taskbar has worked in every Windows version since 7: instead of having a Quick Launch widget on the taskbar (or God forbid: dedicating an entire bottom bar to Quick Launch like Xfce does), pinned applications and running applications occupy the same space on the taskbar. Notice how on XP, the Thunderbird shortcut occupies a separate button from the actual running instance of Thunderbird; this does not happen on superbars, where the shortcut buttons turn into running applications buttons upon the application opening.

>>108171591
Who the fuck calls that a superbar? Is this some zoomer revisionism like frutiger?

>>108171591
normal people made windows 7 taskbar like windows 2000

File: superbar.jpg (380 KB, 1080x1130)

380 KB JPG

>>108171615
>Who the fuck calls that a superbar? Is this some zoomer revisionism like frutiger?
The "Superbar" was one of Windows 7's most marketed features, which you'd know if you weren't a self-hating zoomer insecure about his zoomerdom. There is no news to be this proud of being wrong, especially when this stuff is trivial to verify.

>>108171591
I suppose xfce has the upper, and I don't see a problem with it, I'd even argue it's better to have the launcher different that the open windows button.

>>108171658
>>108171615
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh_vJh48J-0
https://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-7-User-Interface-The-Superbar-Enhanced-Taskbar-97143.shtml
More zoomer revisionism from.......2008......

>>108171658
Imagine falling for marketing speak. Normal people didn't follow Microsoft's diarrhea and just got Windows 7 a year or two after release with a new PC.

>>108171676
It's not space efficient at all. Two separate Thunderbird icons as per the XP screenshot is just madness. Why not just group them like modern Windows/Plasma do?

>>108171698
because it's ugly and inefficient
you have to click twice when you have multiple windows from the same program
windows xp style is best, sans the ugly blue theme

>>108171723
>inefficient
Inefficient is when you've saturated the entire taskbar with icon after icon after icon, to the point you have more icons than the taskbar can fit. The superbar solved this.

>>108171750
you add 3 programs to the quick launch
typically a web browser, a text editor or terminal and file manager
you can open everything else from start menu

>>108171768
>you add 3 programs to the quick launch
I have probably a dozen programs pinned to my taskbar; if I had twelve Quick Launch icons, my taskbar would be unusable.

I don't get the eternal gnome seethe. It offers a really smooth experience if you're willing to change your habits even a little. And if you aren't that's fine. There are perfectly viable alternatives, just use those. Almost every distro recommendation for noobs mentions that if you want a windows like experience you should go with mint or anything with KDE anyway.

>>108171777
how embarrassing, that must look terrible

>>108171784
>that must look terrible
It doesn't, because superbars are space- efficient.

>>108171783
You'd have to change your habits quite a bit with how increasingly devoid of features all their default apps are.
>inb4 just use third party ones
Gnome is very much designed to make anything third party look and feel extremely foreign. Might as well use a different desktop at that point.

>>108171783
tinkertrannies are always seething at defaults for some reason

>>108171920
Gnomefags are the biggest tinker trannies there are. The vast majority of them install Gnome Tweaks and at least some extensions. Meanwhile most KDE/Cinnamon/XFCE/whatever users are just fine with what the DEs ship by default.

>>108162979
Ptyxis? shit's gas though

>>108171952
Even worse, Gnome tinker trannies have to redo all their extensions at every update because Gnome keeps breaking everything every few months.

>>108171783
it's impossible to enjoy Linux the way you want it and quietly. you MUST shittalk every project you don't like/use, chud.

>>108162057
any libre software app worth using on an OS with any amount of alternatives like Blender, Krita and VLC uses Qt. Also neither LibreOffice or Firefox fully use GTK and mostly build their own widgets. You can find plenty of Qt in the wild also in proprietary or embedded solutions but you'll never see someone with a job waste their time on gtk slop.

>>108161991
use case for minimizing?
use case for windows?
>>108162084
use case for taskbar?
use case for systray?
>>108162998
use case for workspace managers?
use case for screens?
>>108166207
use case for ricing?
>>108166486
use case for env?

>>108174990
usecase for usecases?

>>108174931
Even DaVinci Resolve uses Qt

>>108162937
>>108162057
>>108169859
Poster is bruce3434 from 2020-2022 /g/. He is no longer welcome in the GNOME community and has been banned for years and at this point he is just shilling for us for free despite us not wanting him. Bruce was banned from /r/GNOME back in 2022 for homophobia, transphobia, mapphobia and discrimination against Indians and East Asian populations. GNOME stands by the decision to protect the LGBTQIA+ community from his fascism.


Please ignore and flag everything he writes.

>>108161991
>can't minimise windows
what the fuck, i can, what a re you doing OP? are you retarded? i'm using GNOME and i can minimise every windows, try not being a retard
>99% of any given titlebar is undraggable
thata a fucking ie, nigga, what the fuck, are you really using gnome?

>>108162971
you faggots are fucking delusional, holy shit

>>108176577
Its true though. gnome is not used by people who actually have jobs or do any kind of productive work.

>>108176905
like Linux Torvalds?
fucking kek

>>108176905
>gnome is used
typo my bad

>>108176952
Linus literally and I mean literally has explicitly stated the only work he does anymore is reading emails, which is what gnome is perfect for.

File: 1757054627240804.jpg (176 KB, 1774x998)

176 KB JPG

I just had a realisation. Hyprland is gnome, if gnome was good.

>>108177037
>those fucking mobile tier icons
no thx

File: Captura desde 2026-02-17 (...).png (636 KB, 1453x741)

636 KB PNG

>>108177016
sure thing, pajeet.

>>108177037
That looks retarded.
>12 minute uptime
>no cpu/gpu listed
it's a fake vm screenshot isn't it

>>108177042
I thought gnomefags loved mobileshit.
>>108177049
Fuck if I know, not my machine anon. Just a random screenshot from some blog post.

>>108177037
probably runs worse than GNOME with all those widgets, too. looks pretty clean at least.

use case for gnome?

>>108177600
Touchpad gestures are actually functional

>>108177624
Oh I didn't realize it was intended for tablets, strange how so many desktop distros default to gnome

>>108177642
Touchpad.
TOUCHPAD.
Not touchscreen.

>>108177642
>most literate gnome hater

>>108174990
The future of GNOME will just be a terminal

>>108174931
>like Blender,
If I remember correctly they create and render their own interface without relying on a library

Usually I'm on board with productivity features, but I have never ever been able to figure out workspaces. I've always thought of them as being used for specific tasks like "I'm working on database stuff here" and "I'm browsing the web here" but navigating workspaces is such a chore compared to being able to alt-tab or click to get the window you want back in focus.
The only value I see from workspaces is if youre on a laptop and you treat your pc like a phone with maximised apps.

>>108179134
Each workspace is assigned to a number, then super+x. It's alt+tab on steroids.
>I've always thought of them as being used for specific tasks like
This is a common stumbling block. Get the word "work-space" out of your head.

It's as simple as this. Always open a program to the same workspace. If it's not something you want to full screen keep multiple things there, if it's something you want fullscreen let it take a whole worskpace.

It doesn't matter if they're related programs or anything like that. All matters is that you remember where they are. You'll quickly build up the muscle memory if you stick with it. It doesn't matter if there's 3 other windows open along with your music player on workspace 5, you just know that super+5 brings you to the music player, so press super+5. At first it sounds tedious having to open programs to a specific workspace every time but eventually it's purely reflex and you'll never want to go back. You don't have to take your hands off the keyboard or use your eyes to navigate anything you just associate programs with numbers and press the correct number and it's there.

>>108179347
>then super+x
I use Start + No. to switch between/open the applications on my taskbar, though.

>>108169795
You could use an icon pack.

>>108169795
Never use an icon pack. Vanilla GNOME is superiority. Theming modifications are an impurity.

>>108179134
Workspaces are the most useful feature a DE/WM can offer, in my opinion. Even better if you can bind them to a specific screen.

I would be using GNOME right now if:
1. The file manager had custom views per folder
2. I didn't have to worry about 2 or 3 extensions breaking (I guess this means don't update often)
3. I could set up rules per windows, the way KWin has all these different settings.
I don't know where Cosmic is going, I have only tried the very first version available which had problems in the file manager with very basic shit, but I'm sitting that one out until they get 2 things working properly: VRR and HDR, the 2 biggest memes I care about.
Those 2 also make me not want to switch to GNOME but apparently they're working really hard on those things actually working there. Apparently even, GNOME 50 is supposed to bring big changes, so I guess I'll have to try not to shit on it for the wrong reasons. But I've used 49 for 3 days and experienced all there is to those technologies (breaking Wine on Wayland, electron applications going dark if I increase the brightness slider, HDR not working with gamescope at all so I can't use it as an alternative).
Also fractional scaling doesn't work great but I have my methods on GNOME at least.

>>108171687
Actually now that I think about it it's an excellent test. What people called it vs. what marketers called it. People trying to appear old by using terms nobody used other than market speak. They spend a few minutes researching and act like they're old instead of understanding nobody really called this thing a fucking superbar.
It's the PSX/PS1/Playstation thing all over. Not even the fruitnigger bullshit.

>>108179884
>1. The file manager had custom views per folder
Just use a keyboard shortcut to switch between grid and list anytime? What's your problem exactly?
>2. I didn't have to worry about 2 or 3 extensions breaking (I guess this means don't update often)
Stop using extensions then? Nobody is forcing you to use them. What's your problem exactly?
>3. I could set up rules per windows, the way KWin has all these different settings.
What's your problem exactly? What is the usecase for this level of tinkering? Can't you just use a mouse to control your windows like normal?
>I don't know where Cosmic is going, I have only tried the very first version available which had problems in the file manager with very basic shit, but I'm sitting that one out until they get 2 things working properly: VRR and HDR, the 2 biggest memes I care about.
Cosmic is a joke. Just look at how much they delayed their first stable release and even that turned out to be a buggy joke. What's your problem exactly with GNOME?
>Those 2 also make me not want to switch to GNOME but apparently they're working really hard on those things actually working there. Apparently even, GNOME 50 is supposed to bring big changes, so I guess I'll have to try not to shit on it for the wrong reasons. But I've used 49 for 3 days and experienced all there is to those technologies (breaking Wine on Wayland, electron applications going dark if I increase the brightness slider, HDR not working with gamescope at all so I can't use it as an alternative).
Werks on my machine. This is (You)r hardware issue. Stop blaming GNOME.
>Also fractional scaling doesn't work great but I have my methods on GNOME at least.
Shut up.

>>108180272
You made me read all that shit.

>>108180272
>Just use a keyboard shortcut to switch between grid and list anytime?
Why should I have to do that shit instead of having it automatically have a particular view per folder?
>Stop using extensions then?
Great, and then GNOME becomes unfuckingusable
>What is the usecase for this level of tinkering?
When a different application has a different use case?
>What's your problem exactly with GNOME?
No systray, taskbar, minimise/maximise buttons, no Start Menu, and nobody has made an Aero Glass theme for it

>>108161991
>>can't minimise windows
lol what? How do they keep breaking things? When do they stop being "the sane default" in Debian?

File: 1770999421231292.jpg (100 KB, 1080x1080)

100 KB JPG

Thread reminded me to donate to GNOME, thx

>>108180345
>Why should I have to do that shit instead of having it automatically have a particular view per folder?
I was gonna say, one thing is to have to take two steps instead of one, but I don't know the insistence on "just do very basic shit manually". Do these people really? Would be nice to have their non-default settings reset everytime they log in, just so I can analyze their behavior.

>>108180345
>>108180653
You need to come up with more convincing arguments for your usecases. The first step to getting a feature implemented in GNOME is to make mockups for what you want to do and get the Design Team involved. Allan Day is the person you want to talk to. Be the change you want to see in the world and start contributing to free and open source software.

You can contribute even if you cannot code. We have had African kids who never went to school and never received any sort of formal education contribute to GNOME. If they can do it then so can you.

>Aero Glass Theme
Feel free to do this yourself. Theming is not a planned feature in GNOME because it does not fit our vision. Just know that what theming you do on your system is unsupported by us and may break with a GNOME update.

>>108181305
>We have had African kids
Yeah you look the type to have african kids alright

>>108181471
Please, don't make comments if you nothing useful to say. This thread is getting a bit heated. I recommend locking it temporarily.

>>108181305
>We have had African kids who never went to school and never received any sort of formal education contribute to GNOME
Explains a lot

>>108180404
>When do they stop being "the sane default" in Debian?
when it stops being the sane default in Linux in general. i.e. when someone makes something better

>>108161991
i do really like the look of gnome desu. shame its the shitty mac-tier desktop of linux

>>108162343
cosmic is good, but it's also jank as shit and sometimes just straight up doesn't allow programs to open up secondary windows.

>>108184420
its because they have the same insufferable art fag attitude as apple
>this is perfection for everyone and you must use it exactly like this
user hostile devs deserve the black plague

>>108182441
Every DE is better

>>108185200
Really? name one

I've tried all of the DEs and a bunch of WMs and they are not better than GNOME. No, I don't use a bunch of extensions.

Literally all the criticism of GNOME is by people who can't handle a paradigm change from when they first imprinted on Windows 98... hell it was probably XP or 7 for most of you. If you actually used GNOME as intended for a week, instead of trying to turn it into Windows 9x/XP/7/10 with extensions and themes, perhaps you wouldn't be making the claim that every other DE is better.

>>108185290
Why is being unable to quickly open an application pinned to your taskbar with Start+1 a good thing? Why is being unable to minimise a window a good thing?

>>108185460
>quickly open an application pinned to your taskbar with Start+1
works on my machine
>minimise a window
works on my machine

File: Screenshot From 2026-02-1(...).png (33 KB, 361x407)

33 KB PNG

>>108185460
>unable to quickly open an application pinned to your taskbar
You can. It's literally built in.
>being unable to minimise a window
You can't figure out how to right click a titlebar->hide? ITS LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE AND YOU CANT USE gnome-tweaks TO ADD WHATEVER BUTTON LAYOUT YOU WANT

>>108185532
>You can. It's literally built in.
A taskarbar is built into GNOME? A systray as well?
>You can't figure out how to right click a titlebar->hide?
Why should I have to do that instead of just clicking one button like on every other GUI in the history of ever, including pre-Obama GNOME?

>>108185574
>what is the dash
>what is gnome-tweaks to add a minimize button

now you need a system tray (available as an extension) because you can't imagine life without it, again, you imprinted on windows. just use KDE, GNOME is made for people who are able to overcome their baby duck syndrome.

>>108185460
what do u mean u cant quickly open an application pinned to ur taskbar with a keyboard shortcut thats a build in gnome feature
for minimize u need a gnome extension

>>108185606
Taskbars are not built into GNOME.

>>108185600
>what is the dash
An apt question, yes. A "dash" in regular English parlance refers to a type of punctuation mark and it is not immediately clear how a dash helps me get a systray.
>what is gnome-tweaks
Why should I have to tinkertranny with my computer to get basic functionality out of it? This isn't the 1970's.

>>108185625
>MY ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT DESKTOP ENVIRONMENTS ARE BASIC FUNCTIONALITY THAT NO ONE CAN LIVE WITHOUT

just use KDE man. There is no world in which you will be happy with GNOME because it isn't a 1:1 copy of the Windows of your youth.

>>108185655
Minimise buttons existed before Windows and GNOME is the only she'll to lack them.

>>108185671
Don't care. GNOME works for me, it might not work for you. You don't have to use it. Just stick with Windows if you are incapable of switching to a different DE.

>>108174990
Underrated post

>>108176385
based bruce

>>108185610
oh dock whatever tf its called

>>108185692
No, I'll argue for Plasma to replace GNOME as the default DE.

>>108162057
fpbp
OP is married to outdated concepts from windows 3.11 KWAB

>>108185737
in what distro?

>>108185844
All of them.

>>108185847
Oh so you demand conformity and are against choice, the very things you accuse GNOME of. Ironic and sad.

You can literally already install Kubuntu,, KDE neon, KDE Linux, openSUSE, Fedora KDE/Kinoite, Arch/CachyOS and choose KDE. But that's not enough for you, it has to be MANDATORY to use your ugly Krashing Desktop Environment.

>>108185881
When did I accuse GNOME of conformity/limiting choice? All I said is that GNOME is bad. And yes, I do agree that distributions should confirm to superior DE's than GNOME; what sort of rhetorical play were you aiming for here?

>>108185900
I dunno why you are on a crusade against GNOME lil bro, it's childish.

Just don't use it if you don't want to. Like I said there are plenty of distros that come with KDE, who cares if "the default" on SOME distros is GNOME?

>>108185931
When you say it doesn't matter, you have forfeited the right to contest an alternative proposal because you have already conceded you think it doesn't matter. My alternative proposal is that Plasma be the de facto default DE. I dunno why you are on a crusade against KDE lil bro, it's childish.

File: 1763570941536966.jpg (55 KB, 720x720)

55 KB JPG

>>108161991
>try gnome on desktop
>atrocious, although it seems like it might work better on a tablet??
>get x86 toughpad, install debian on it with gnome
>still atrocious, if not worse somehow
plasma mobile works far better as a tablet DE tbqbh, and regular plasma really is the gold standard. it hasn't been KrashDE in years

>>108185973
I've found regular Plasma to be great on tablets, haven't used Plasma mobile though.

If you guys are debating this so much it's clearly an issue that needs to be fixed since there's a demand for it.

simple as

>>108185973
>still atrocious, if not worse somehow
I was so appalled by this when I tried gnome on a surface pro that I made a whole thread about it
It's truly remarkable that you need 10 gorillion extensions to make the tablet-like interface function as a tablet interface

>>108186063
what exactly is the issue?
Ubuntu uses GNOME for one of its many editions?
Fedora uses GNOME for Workstation while offering a KDE version right next to it?
Use something else if you don't like it, it's not like there aren't many options. Oh wait, they all are worse.

>>108186169
>they all are worse
How so? All of them have a systray and minimise/maximise buttons.

>>108186174
yes you are a windows babby no need to repeat it over and over

>>108186175
Windows didn't invent those, and GNOME is the only shell that lacks them. Why do you think removing the useful information of a systray is productive?

>>108186180
yes you need a systray so you can have a little Steam icon and a little Discord icon... for... reasons?

>>108186227
The systray shows me various things such as:
>connected USB devices
>connected Bluetooth devices
>whether updates are available
>whether my screen recorder is currently recording
>my clipboard
>my power profile
>my keyboard layout
>notifications
>the weather
Among others, because this is just my use case; the systray is extremely versatile and can do just about anything.

>>108186258
why dont you marry it then

>>108186441
>You don't really need any of that
I do, though.

>>108161991
I dont use gnome (i use sway btw) but all your complaints are stupid. If you want your desktop to be a windows 95 emulator, there are plenty. Gnome uses a different (superior) paradigm and its been this way since v 3, so fuck off.

>>108186600
KDE Plasma is nothing like Windows 95 (you're thinking of Xfce, LXQt, LXDE, etc). KDE Plasma functions like Windows 7 through 11.

>>108185737
A rando 4chanz poster making "demands" from free and open source software projects isn't gonna do shit. Keep screaming into the void until you grow old and die. GNOME rules over desktop linux and that is how it will always be. A lil dicklet like you has no power to stop the momentum of the GNOME gang.

Governments are literally getting on their knees, giving us their money and begging us to make software for them. We just got over 1 milly Euros in the Sovereign Tech Fund. No one cares about KDE other than gaymers and your retarded mindbroken ass. This is the reality.

>>108187074
KDE is the future and you know it. It's already the most popular desktop environment by far.

>>108187220
Oink more. When that hypothetical """future""" arrives on your planet retard then you can get all uppity. Until then you better shut the fuck up because the reality is that GNOME rules over the desktop linux world, you oinking piggy.

Go open flathub.org right now. Tell me how many KDE apps you see on the top on the page. You don't have to tell me because I already know the answer. Zero. Literally all the showcased and recommended apps are GNOME apps because Flathub maintainers know that promoting KDE trash apps is too embarrassing and akin to driving away new users. That is how bad KDE is. KDE is a black mark on desktop linux. It is an embarrassment. It should die. It uses the proprietary toolkit of the evil Qt company anyways.

>>108187309
>Go open flathub.org right now.
I haven't come across a single useful libadwaita app yet. Most of them are 5 minute coding exercises

>>108187380
No ones cares about you and your choices you oinkie. Libadwaita has won the war. GNOME rules over Flathub and Flathub is how you install apps on Linux now. If Android has Google Play Store then Desktop Linux has Flathub.

GNOME is the standard. You can install whatever trash on your trash chinkshit poorfag device but the standards won't change. Reality won't change. Reality is that GNOME won the war. GNOME is the master. GNOME is the leader. GNOME is the brahmin. KDE is the slave. KDE is the little brother. KDE is the dalit.

Oink some more for me. Come on KDEjeet. Oink some more.

just use kde like a normal person

>>108187396
Normal people just download programs in Discover, which defaults to your distro's repo.

At least Ubuntu tries to fix Gnomes shortcomings.
Vanilla Gnome is dogshit I can't believe any distro would ship with it.

>>108187396
This is a falseflag but I want to believe that you're the real ebussi

File: Screenshot_x11.png (109 KB, 1060x808)

109 KB PNG

I tried gnome, but I couldn't get push-to-talk working on wayland. KDE has picrel, but I couldn't find something like it on gnome.

>>108187449
>push to talk
in what application? why is it still using X11?
>inb4 Palantir Discord

>>108187670
Palantir discord lol. The push to talk functions when discord is the active window, but it doesn't when discord is in the background. From what I've gathered, this is a feature of wayland to prevent apps from capturing keystrokes.

>muh workflow
You can have the exact same keyboard shortcuts, touchpad gestures and layout without making it look so stupid. It looks like Samsung Touchwiz launcher from 2012, get your shit together.

>>108185973
The great minds at gnome seem unable to understand their own use case

>>108188473
Use case for a use case?

>>108188473
critics accuse GNOME of being designed for touch screens, but the keyboard driven workflow really shows how retarded they are. It's meant for a mouse and keyboard.

Is Windows 10 designed for touch screens? Is KDE? Oh, they have a bar at the bottom and a start menu and a system tray, that means they can't be for touch screens.

>>108189271
Gnome will always be a phone UI no matter how much you cope and seethe

>>108189325
>please let me explain something i have never used to someone who has experience with it

>>108189336
Having keyboard shortcuts doesn't make it not a phone UI. Red Hat probably forced them to implement them

Desktop environments are bloat. Just use raw i3 or hyprland

>>108189271
It is not about the GNOME "flaws" they point to the problem. In their mind, these zealots are angry cause GNOME has been picked as the main desktop for the relevant distros, stealing their pet desktop KrashDE it's thunder. GNOME could "fix" everything they wan't but they will still hate it, it is a mental disease. Don't even bother.

>>108189349
you're delusional lil bro good luck with your crusade against gnome for.... some reason, I'll let you be.

File: 1759200457333437.png (234 KB, 512x512)

234 KB PNG

>>108189354
>bloat
>use hyprland

>>108189375
GNOME 2 was fine. Nobody would have an issue with MATE being the default DE

>>108189488
then those zealots can go and use MATE, the problem is that they wan't as default, as ft it matters.

>>108189506
>wan't
Wtf are you trying to express?

File: kde_tron.png (341 KB, 1327x484)

341 KB PNG

>>108189522
>Wtf are you trying to express?
that KDE developers are jeet and trons.

>>108189595
>KDE developers are jeet
Proof?
>troons
And GNOME Red Hat CnC fags aren't?

>>108189615
CoC*

File: kde_jeet.png (391 KB, 1410x603)

391 KB PNG

>>108189615

>>108189640
Who is he

>>108189650
your dad

File: 1740276908460196.png (17 KB, 430x188)

17 KB PNG

teehee

>>108189720
It was a Freudian slip

>>108189640
>>108189595
how does it make you feel knowing the trannies and pajeets make a better project that let white man gnome, mr ebussy?

File: kde_cant_make_calendar_right.png (64 KB, 580x505)

64 KB PNG

>>108189733
>better
kek

File: krashfag is indian.jpg (1.96 MB, 1280x7680)

1.96 MB JPG

>>108189780
Is the deflecting Jeet posting patched 2018 bugs again?

File: kde_cant_do_math.png (317 KB, 733x607)

317 KB PNG

>>108189815
can they do math now?

>>108189815
post hands, self-hating jeet

File: looking at viewer markipl(...).jpg (34 KB, 550x550)

34 KB JPG

>>108186441
>Thread is getting a little heated, might have to lock it.

>>108187712
didn't they solves this shit in latest releases ?

>>108189780
This only happens if you click through the calendar for 5 minutes and reach 0 AD, stop being disingenuous
t. clicked through the calendar for 5 minutes and reached 0 AD once

>>108190183
yeah its been fixed for awhile.

>>108189841
Whether you get 1 of 9 depends on your implicit multiplication setting, retard.
You can get any calculator to prefer either mode.

libadwaita and GTK good
gnome bad
Qt bad
Plasma slightly less bad

but on a more serious note, how the fuck do gnome devs look at mutter and think this shit is acceptable?

>>108191057
Aren't both calculators using the same?
tha'ts even worse.

>>108191016
>>108190183
I'll have to give it another try then. Thanks

File: 1754250882180797.jpg (74 KB, 809x540)

74 KB JPG

>>108176905
Jeff Dean thinks otherwise lol

File: 1747709953272486.png (1.06 MB, 1920x1080)

1.06 MB PNG

>>108176905
Yann LeCun thinks otherwise too lol

>>108192038
>GNOME is used when it's riced out to look like Unity

>>108192028
> has a bunch of terminals open and maybe a browser

This guy just uses the defaults. You could replace GNOME with TWM on his PC and he won't care.

For most users, choice is painful, not liberating. GNOME is a DE with an extremely well thought out UX/UI and a clear identity. Adwaita is beautiful and everything just feels great. Much of FOSS is made by engineers, for engineers, and the general lack of designers creates software where function supercedes aesthetics.

I would also argue that GNOME being different from Windows 11 is a perk, not a flaw. When everything resembles Windows 11, a new user will expect Windows-like functionality and be disappointed every time it doesn’t work as expected. Meanwhile, learning to use GNOME can be exciting and because of the minimalism and fluid UX, the novelty is administrated in small doses, none of which feels like ”this should work exactly like it does in Windows”, because the experience is different enough.

Starting with GNOME made me fall in love with the Workspaces, and inspired me to use Hyprland on my side machine. The simplicity of GNOME also made me enjoy my computer more than I ever have before, and it finally feels my own.

>>108192575
>This guy just uses the defaults.
Because no one is paid to tinkertranny the desktop. Gnome on Ubuntu has a lot of sane defaults compared to stock Gnome though. If I couldn't use Windows for some reason, I'd migrate to that.

GNOME's design philosophy prioritizes minimalism and simplicity, but at the cost of functionality and user convenience. The absence of basic features like a minimize button and a system tray is not just an inconvenience—it's a slap in the face to anyone who values efficiency. Navigating GNOME feels like trying to use a Swiss Army knife with all the tools removed, leaving you with a useless hunk of metal.
GNOME's limited customization options are a creative straitjacket. While extensions can add some functionality, the process is often a nightmare of instability and compatibility issues. The lack of native support for themes and icon packs means that GNOME users are stuck with a bland, uninspired interface. It's like being forced to wear a uniform that doesn't fit and looks terrible—there's no room for personal expression.
GNOME has a reputation for removing traditional desktop features that many users find essential. The lack of a traditional system tray can make managing background processes and notifications a nightmare. The absence of a minimize button and the use of a single window button can be downright infuriating. It's like trying to drive a car with no steering wheel or brakes—you're just asking for trouble.
6. Extension Dependency: A House of Cards

GNOME relies heavily on extensions to add functionality that should be available out of the box. While extensions can be useful, they often come with their own set of issues, such as instability and compatibility problems. This dependency on extensions makes the desktop environment feel incomplete and unreliable, like a house of cards that could collapse at any moment.

>>108192619
>Because no one is paid to tinkertranny the desktop.

Yes that is correct. GNOME is used by people who don't give a shit about DEs and just want to work in their terminals. GNOME irrelevant crap to them.
But if you need to do more than just run a terminal and maybe a browser, GNOME is extremely unsuitable.

>>108192619
>Because no one is paid to tinkertranny the desktop.
Canonical paid people to tinkertranny GNOME into looking like Unity

>>108169795
>not utilizing max screen
what illness is this called?

>>108177016
He left GNOME briefly when GNOME 3 happened and came back to it in 2013, unless you're implying he hasn't done any productive work in 15 years that doesn't check out.
>>108192975
They are however. That's the overview look for apps/workspaces. That screenshot shows they have two browsers tiled side by side occupying the whole screen besides the top bar. You can literally see what the screen looks like outside of overview directly below the clock in that little highlighted square, which represents workspace 1. I wonder how many people spouting hearsay about GNOME are like you having clearly not touched it for literally a single minute because this is the very first thing you'd figure out.

This thread is nothing but a bunch of Wintards baffled when looking at anything other than Windows 10/11 or KDE. GNOME is not that different from a window manager it shouldn't be this hard to grasp. The worst part is KDE also has features like workspaces built in but migrant Wintards can't conceive of anything but a single window where you constantly minimize/maximize and alt+tab between everything like a caveman.

>>108193265
Linus reads emails

>>108161991
>just works out of the box
>largely customizable through extensions
arch gnome btw.

just tried it out for the first time and loving it. got a top bar hider and window panel extension for the bottom of the screen. better than any other DE so far with screen clutter everywhere. Wayland is great for old games where I need to cap FPS because of shitty ports that only have 30 FPS animation cycles. everything is stupidly smooth and responsive.

>>108196027
completely organic btw

>>108196027
Take a screenshot

i use niri dms :)

>>108162057
>usecase

>>108162057
There is no point to. I use rofi to switch windows. It doesn't matter where the windows is. It is somewhere and it will activate. Alt tabbing is retarded when you can just fuzzy find a window.

>>108196101
site's broken af using Brave, with or without shields, on my PC. not uploading the screenshot to my phone to post it here, just to show a fucking basic panel with active windows in it.

>>108192781
tinkertranny aka using the dash-to-dock extension. wow!

>>108192703
>GNOME is extremely unsuitable.
like for running what?
I know Boston Dynamics, NASA, Norwegian military, French gendarmerie and so on use Ubuntu

>>108196744
And KDE is tinkertranny because...uhh.....you don't have to do any tinkering to begin with

>>108196753
you don't understand, the GNOME devs are mean, mean !

>>108162254
the worst is bazzite, it's everything people pretend windows is
also
>btrfs
wew

Workstations don't have DEs. GNOME exists for jeets and gaymer hackermen.
You know you can install debian base without anything right.

>>108196753
They use it on headless servers for CFD and FEA. Gnome may run on the vms, i doubt the whole DE, but only because shit like ANSYS requires it thanks to red hat.

File: 1752988113004059.png (615 KB, 1178x687)

615 KB PNG

>>108197630
>They use it on headless servers for CFD and FEA
picrel is NASA

File: 1652999182885.jpg (29 KB, 561x546)

29 KB JPG

>>108161991
if you don't like it, just dont use it

>>108196753
>French gendarmerie and so on use Ubuntu
isn't it gentoo they use?

File: 1751602198444460.jpg (187 KB, 2385x1285)

187 KB JPG

>>108197630
this is from Boston Dynamics

>>108197673
you arent refuted anything ive said, you do realize that yes? also thats a laptop and there's windows in the background

>>108197699
do you not understand what I've just said. I didn't say they didn't use it. I specifically said they use it for ANSYS of which gnome is required.
And I can guarantee BD are using shit like CAITA on windows, and obv solidworks on windows.

File: 1742369561718090.jpg (659 KB, 3655x1827)

659 KB JPG

>>108197698
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GendBuntu
but why would you think they run Gentoo? that would be crazy if they had to compile everything on each computer.

File: Captura desde 2026-02-20 (...).png (768 KB, 1405x744)

768 KB PNG

>>108197699
I've seen this electronic engineer using Ubuntu/GNOME to desing a drone that will study weather.

>>108197727
>>108197753
>you arent refuted anything ive said
yes I am.
first you said "no professional uses Ubuntu/Gnome"
I proved you wrong with pics of Jeff Dean and LeCun, as well as mentioning BD, NASA etc using it
then you tell me "oh yea but they must been using it on servers or VMs"
proved you wrong again with pics showing them using it on bare metal desktops/laptops

>also thats a laptop and there's windows in the background
the screen in the background isn't Windows, it's also Ubuntu with a bottom panel in Gnome

>And I can guarantee BD are using shit like CAITA on windows, and obv solidworks on windows.
maybe. but they also use Ubuntu for RViz, Rockwell Automation as well

>>108197572
>the worst is bazzite, it's everything people pretend windows is
In what way? Is it spyware that constantly forces AI crap on you?

>>108197687
I want people to stop using it

>>108197888
I said literally none of those things you fucking deluded gnome dickrider.

And no, you showed a screen. If they want to use the modelling server they are using a VM workstation I promise you. You are very clearly unemployed, especially in physical engineering.

>>108198064
what DE do you wan't them to use?

>>108197969
cumbersome, slow, doesn't work the way you want it to and it feels like you don't own your computer

File: 1731187801151952.jpg (19 KB, 525x538)

19 KB JPG

It's so fucking ugly and literally unusable babbys first desktop. straight up playskool shit.
ubuntu are the only people to have fucked with it enough to make it usuable.
the base debian install is fucking laughably bad.

>>108197727
>there's windows in the background
that's clearly GNOME Classic

>>108198817
>cumbersome, slow
what does this mean? performance wise?
>doesn't work the way you want it to
I don't know what this means either. It might work exactly the way someone else wants it to.
I can only guess that you don't like the way immutable distros work or something but then I don't know why you'd go with bazzite in the first place. In any case I think if it has problems they are very different from windows'.

how well is gnome 50 compared to kde 6.6 for GAMING ON WAYLAND?

File: Screenshot_20260220_170754.png (11 KB, 518x252)

11 KB PNG

>>108198100
KDE

>>108190183
>>108191057
I just tested it on arch. It's still a problem. Is there a way to get it to work? I want to try gnome, but this is a problem that I can't get past. I use scroll-lock as push to talk.

File: kde_energy.png (20 KB, 372x114)

20 KB PNG

>>108200525
>KrashDE
all pass and future opinions discarted.

>>108200548
regular discord mght be garbage, try vesktop/equibop ? flatseal ? sorry idk more.

File: Screenshot_20260220_171940.png (201 KB, 1754x1335)

201 KB PNG

>>108200548
Oh I don't know. I use KDE.

>>108200584
or arch wiki ?

>>108200587
>I use KDE.
same. see >>108187449
I'm willing to give gnome a try if I can get this to work. I'll look into running a flatpak version, but I suspect that the issue is with wayland's security which prevents applications from capturing keys unless they're the active window.

>>108200587
gnome is garbage for wayland support. kde is miles ahead. its not a discord issue, its 100% a gnome issue for not allowing global shortcut support for x11 applications.

>>108200616
wayland on wayland shortcuts work fine, but wayland -> x11 and vice versa isn't become gnome refuses to support it.

>>108200576
Post beef

>>108162057
I'm not using your gay tablet env

OP, debian 13 install allows you to default to KDE. you've learned your lesson.

File: beefe.jpg (359 KB, 1200x1200)

359 KB JPG

>>108200683

>>108200695
>mfw retards who have never used GNOME since the 2.x days look at Lomiri (Ubuntu Touch), an actual touch interface on desktop
I have no face

Thanks everyone, just removed all Qt apps and KDE and went back to GNOME. Feels comfy.

File: 1742403475107239.jpg (74 KB, 551x551)

74 KB JPG

>>108162235
Nobody uses Gnome, not even the developers.
If you do, you're the only one!

File: 1758439381603875.jpg (796 KB, 1920x1080)

796 KB JPG

>>108171784
Look at my setup senpai.

File: 1770630861074503.jpg (96 KB, 540x720)

96 KB JPG

>>108171784
What do you think of >>108200868 ?

>>108200868
>>108200874
I don't like it

>>108200868
What the hell sort of timekeeping is that?

>>108200629
Use case for shortcuts?

File: artworks-000212158976-3lw(...).jpg (60 KB, 500x500)

60 KB JPG

>>108162057
I can minimize all applications on Ubuntu but I never do it because I can just use the super button and see all my windows. You don't really need to minimize on GNOME, the super button is fucking awesome and other DEs suck simply because they don't have that. I kinda think that people that hate on GNOME simply haven't tried it or are trannies that feel the need to change settings all the time.

First time using Gnome in many years, used to using it on Ubuntu back in the day. Debian 13 Gnome seems pretty good. I use KDE on my desktop but I didn't want to deal with setting up my desktop on a new setup. I will say this for Gnome. If you just want it to work and get started doing shit in linux, gnome doesn't have any BS. KDE as much as I love it, ends up making you spend 30 mins setting it up. The lack of choice in Gnome makes you just say "Well fuck it, I guess Ill get used to it".
Not fully onboard with gnome yet, I can see it pissing me off in a multi screen environment.

>>108204062
There is no button labelled "Super" on your keyboard. Call it the start key like a normal person

File: 1749914248871429.jpg (40 KB, 622x622)

40 KB JPG

>>108204235
There's no button labeled as start key either.

Of course they're not going to call it the Windows™ key. Who gives a shit what other arbitrary name they use for it? Weird thing to get autistic about desu.