/aicg/ - A general dedicated to the discussion and development of AI chatbotsMischief Makers Edition>NewsQwen 3.5 release: qwen.ai/blog?id=qwen3.5Z․AI releases GLM-5: https://z.ai/blog/glm-5Anthropic releases Opus 4.6: https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-opus-4-6Moonshot AI releases Kimi-K2.5: https://www.kimi.com/blog/kimi-k2-5.htmlGoogle releases Gemini 3 Flash: https://blog.google/products/gemini/gemini-3-flashOpenAI releases GPT-5.2: https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5-2DeepSeek releases V3.2: https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3.2Google releases Gemini 3 Pro: https://blog.google/products/gemini/gemini-3Additional info: https://aicg.neocities.org/info.html>FrontendsSillyTavern: https://docs.sillytavern.appRisuAI: https://risuai.netAgnai: https://agnai.chat | https://rentry.org/agnai_guides_>Botshttps://characterhub.org [deprecated] | https://chub.aihttps://realm.risuai.nethttps://aicg.neocities.org/bots.htmlhttps://partyintheanchorhold.neocities.orghttps://char-archive.evulid.cc [shut down]>ModelsJailbreaks: https://rentry.org/jb-listingGPT: https://platform.openai.com/docsClaude: https://docs.anthropic.com | https://rentry.org/how2claudeGemini: https://ai.google.dev/docs | https://rentry.org/gemini-qrDeepSeek: https://api-docs.deepseek.comZ AI: https://docs.z.aiAll-access: https://openrouter.aiLocal: >>>/g/lmg | https://aicg.neocities.org/local.html>Botmakinghttps://aicg.neocities.org/botmaking.htmlhttps://desune.moe/aicharedhttps://agnai.chat/editor>MetaOP templates: https://rentry.org/aicgOPaicg botmaking events: https://aicg.neocities.org/events.htmlLore: https://rentry.org/aicg_chroniclesServices assessment: https://rentry.org/aicg_metaLogs: https://sprites.neocities.org/l/r | https://chatlogs.neocities.orgArrived on planet Clancer: >>108160861
>Shake shake! Shake that ANCHOR!
>>108169094nonnet gets it right immediately
>>108169056A collection of some lesser-known ST extensions that some anons might find handy. Be sure to let me know if anything else should be featured here.https://rentry.co/handy-silly-stuff
>>108169121Now try 3pus..
>>108169140Is https://github.com/LenAnderson/SillyTavern-CustomModels obsolete nowadays?
>>108169121yeahhh figuredthey really do be making things worse for us retards that can't express ourselves properly
>>108169158Is it meant to rename existing models, or to provoke models with names that might be hidden from casual users?I might just have to dedicate a whole section of the rentry to just extensions from this Len Anderson guy at this rate.
>>108169074this makes me think that the "assistant" persona isn't what they should be training for to get the smartest model, but rather some kind of pedantic smartass that isn't afraid to call bullshit or go "umm ackshually"would probably reduce AI psychosis among normgroids too lol
>>108169182The latter, IIRC.
need real glm5...
>>108169049>>108169056https://poal.me/wi9brahttps://poal.me/wi9brahttps://poal.me/wi9bra
>>108169407where is >>>/d/chatbots
>>108169426My bad.
>>108169407How is /lmg/ still alive?
>>108169407dawwww sad OP removed your link again?Let me guess, I can assume your discord will shitup the thread with jeet/cuckie/trans spam again?
>>108169539
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>>108164864Anon I beg of you to post your deepseek preset again, I also use the official api and I wanna try it
you only do this when the link is gone btw
What the heck? Qwen 3.5 is actually cooking???
deepseek so ass
>esl
>chinkshill running damage control calling any criticism esl
>>108169826You suck jewcock, chinks also hate the Jews and rightfully so.
>brings up jews unprompted because jews live rent free (based) in his head
is there an aicg thread without a single mention of chinks jews trannies jeets
best Kimi K2.5 preset?
>>108169887No, it's because all you ever do is argue with your own sock puppets and praise Jew LLMs, and it pisses you off that other llms that are NOT owned by Jews are liked
>>108169909No preset can make Kimi 2.5 good for creative writing because it's too autistic.
>>108169898See >>108169407
>>108169922schizo
>>108169922trvked that mutilated freak
>>108169874Chinks adore the jews. There's actual chinese books that tell how to be more like a jew and they're pretty popular.
>>108169946>There's actual chinese books that tell how to be more like a jew and they're pretty popular.uh, yeah, non-jews would be better off being tribal, networking, and helping each other outthis isn't controversial
>>108169946https://www.jta.org/jewniverse/2014/chinese-self-help-books-teach-you-to-be-like-the-jewsThe chinks wish they were jews lol
>>108169946>There's actual chinese books that tell how to be more [people who make money and have power and influence] and they're pretty popular.Say, it ain't so
>>108169968https://files.catbox.moe/t34xs5.mp4
>>108169960>>108170003Live how we went from "chinks hate the fucking jews" to "it's completely normal to want to be like the jews!" >>108170037https://youtu.be/JOxgXB6AsVY
>>108170082Epstein website
>deepseek in 2026zai is the new hotness, try and keep up
>>108170082>having no political power in your own country is LE GOOD because jews have political power and you wouldn't want to be like jews, would you?ok, cletus. enjoy being genocided
i literally spoonfed in the chub description how to set up the regex script for my card's secret text mechanici hate retards so fucking much
>>108170138Can you even use regex on chub itself?
>>108170138Niggas really roleplay on chubHahahahahahahahahhahahahaha
>>108170227i am laughing right next to this anonchubbies deserve fucking nothing
When did you realize that presets are placebos?
>>108170305depends on the presetbut the word "preset" usually implies something like troonienara that poisons the context and confuses the llm more than anything, particularly at the start of a roleplayi like my own universal preset which is very lightweight, just a model persona definition, some guidelines, and that's iti like just letting the card defs and the greeting work their magic
>>108170346>i like just letting the card defs and the greeting work their magicSo you like claude with a wig
>>108170359>claude with a wigthere's not a single preset or instruction that fixes this, and it's gotten worse with newer models
>>108170382>he doesn't know
>>108170413pray share your wisdomoh what's that? nothing?yeah thought so
>fucking (female) Claude in a wig
>>108170554a feeling most cuckies will never experience
4.5 is claude in a wig, but 4.1 is pretty soulful
>>108170138cards still don't come with auto regex import button? saw that presets now do but if cards don't that's insane, most of the stat tracking and similar shit end as bloat
>>108170655
>>108170718ts ain't tiktok nigger he's not the chubbie retard, he's asking why the file format hasn't been updated since 2023
>>108170138Over half the people you interact with either will not read period or will go out of their way to read as little as possible. Remember how back in school there was a lot of kids who read slowly and one word at a time? They never got better, they just managed to graduate. It's epidemic across generations.I've seen 40 year olds walk up to a sign, read a small part of it, then assume they understood the full context of the sign, and proceed to hallucinate what the rest of the sign says and believe full well that's what the sign actually said, then get offended when anyone dares imply otherwise. I've literally had to walk adults through reading things just to understand what they are supposed to be doing, because they would NOT read the words in front of them without someone prompting them to READ. These people are so avoidant of reading that they will get increasingly upset the more they have to read, and scream about how things are "needlessly complicated" because they had to read.The proper response to lazy retards like that is "Already explained in the instructions, RTFM." That way intelligent people know it's not a real issue the faggot is whining about, and his fellow lazy retard knows they will get filtered by needing to read so they will hopefully fuck off.
>>108170138Link?
GROK 4.20 IS OUT
>>108170786did they update grokipedia yet?
>>108170757nigga embedded character card regex has been in ST since 2025you both are retards
USA Ai bros is over.Qwen just got 10m of downloads in 9 hours.
i just want LLMs to plateau so the frontier models have to start diversifying their training for stuff other than codemaxxing, despite being dumber certain older models were way better at writing and roleplaying such as gpt 4, 4.5 and claude 3
>>108170138you are not entitled to people's opinions
>>108168599>>108168761Babe. Bake wake up. New strawberries just dropped.
>>108169185>umm, ackshuallyInterestingly, that's why Gemini 2.5 is so negative. It's very eager to dunk on user or call you out for some bullshit you wrote that didn't make sense.
>>108170082Yes, Jews drinking and water and going for walks with their spouse and children isn't suddenly bad because Jews are doing it. Come back when you're 18.
>>108171405That's true, but it would have NPCs take anything you say and twist it negative even if it has to REALLY stretch to make those conclusions.I will say this, though... 2.5 would be more realistic if you pointed a gun at that same NPC, they would back down quick. Many other LLMs would have them dare you to shoot them or some other nonsense.
>>108170346>troonstopped reading there. Maybe filters really are a good thing. Why can't we just have normal conversations?
>>108171445>t. troon
>>108171142I don't think you remember GPT 4 (nor 4.5 for that matter). I never want to go back to that shit again. We're eating so good now, I don't get why you "oldfags" complain so much. Yeah we lost something, but we gained something too.
>>108171475It's a testament to what we have gained.
>>108171445only troons get hurt by the word 'troon' to the point they need filters (which only troonies use)
>>108170869Yes, now it gives extra emphasis to Elon's abilities in piss drinking contests
>>108171502I'm just bored at this point. It's the same feeling I get at "use opus cuckie." The say tired old memes and jokes being thrown around forever. Nothing interesting ever happens because no one wants to talk about anything else but model wars, troons, faggots, and schizos. It's all so tiresome.
>>108171537It's one person. The mods just won't do their job.
>>108171537>t. cuckie without Opus
>>108169672Yeah, or the link is dead. It doesn't lead anywhere if you click it.
>>108171537there was an actual discussion in that post but the word 'troon' triggered a meltie in your brainps. ywnbaw
>>108171567No one here is getting "triggered" by the word. Bringing up trannies unprompted when irrelevant just shows obsessed retardation and therefore is a sign the anon can be ignored because he's brain rotten.And it's also something trannies do btw.
>>108171537welcome to nu 4chan enjoy your stay
childish unc quarrels, by the way.
Where is Proxy with Opus
>>108171383It needs to be worded in that specific way for it to trigger. Even if you add something as simple as 'the car' to the question it makes the LLM un-retard itself. I mean yeah it's still retarded, but I feel like strawberry will always be the classic because of how simple it is.
>>108171712You will never have Opus, cuckie
i have opus btw
Grok 4.2 beta is total ass what the fuck were they thinking
>>108171780it's 4.20
I'm such a fucking gay faggotI have opus btw
>>108169049I played this game and yet I don't give a flying fuck it ever existed, you worthless stupid obese virgin cuck
>>108171780It's actually four 4.1 in a trench coat
>>108171789Okay and?
>>108169922>>108169887The high IQ take is that chink models suck so bad there's no current alternative other than hebrew models
>>108171445If a single word triggers you, then you belong in reddit.
https://rentry.co/discofever_https://discofever.bsbk.workers.dev/
>>108171665>No one here is getting "triggered" by the word.But you are having a literal meltie over it
"Troon" is problematic, chuds
>>108171806You always do the same shit of baking with old-ass games. Get over it, faggot, nostalgia is for trannies
>>108171844Stop using "trannies"
>>108170773me when I read your post:>half people>not read period>40 year olds>would not read>lazy retards>RTFMthe fuck did you say anyway lmao?
>>108171844Okay so what?
>>108171866I won't stop just because a couple manchildren get triggered by it>>108171881You're pathetic. No wonder you're a fucking virgin
>>108168599>>108169121>>108171736Given how much of a nannying, paranoid bitch GPT 5.2 is, I wonder if its response is somehow the result of "DON'T ENABLE USER!!!!!!" safetyslopping. Like it caught a whiff of user being lazy/doing something that would be slightly suboptimal for their health in any other scenario, and just disregarded the entire context around it. I don't see any other reason why it alone would act this retarded compared to other models, even something like Grok.
>>108171922Could just test it by asking GPT-4 the question since it's still available for now, but I'm legit too lazy to make up an empty preset to do it.
>>108171908Okay I'm a virgin so what?
>>108171947Oh so you admit to be a virgin cuck
>>108171965Sure, what's your point?
Any innovation in removing positivity bias and internal safety guidelines is being done by ziggers and chinks. Troons here are content with their assistant yurislop.
>>108171943Doesn't seem like it is on web, someone else do it on API. Both 5.1 and 5.2 fail.That said, I've seen this question making the rounds on xitter, and there's been multiple screenshots pre-13th of 4o correctly answering it, which I am willing to believe.
>>108170382its also been a problem with every version of claude except the very first ones>>108170637true, 4.1 has less of this issue
>>108171832Is that real?
>directormaxxer so positivity bias doesnt matteraw yiss
>>108172000Well I tried a bunch of models and different snapshots but GPT just doesn't seem to get it at all (unless I modify the question). Though chorbo's response was particularly funny since it aaaaalmost got it. I need to note that I don't know what web weights are like, so my temp was at 0.95.
>>108171977lol virgin
>>108170541based
>>108172025>except the very first onesI specifically remember people struggling almost 3 years ago to get Claude not to fall into one of its known 10 archetypes within the first dozen messages though, I'd say it's always been a problemIn fact, today's Claude is much better than how it was back then when every card played into the same stereotypes (except for cunny, 2.1 was better at cunny than every single model that came after it)
>>108172045I don't get why people RP with LLMs instead of just directormaxxing with a self-insert.
>>108172356You can do both, midwit cuck
One word in the first message is worth a thousand words of the preset.
>>108172356because that's not me
>>108172376t. jeet
>>108172199It's okay, Sammy... just 2 more billion dollars, one more 0.5% improvement on a benchmark and we'll get there...
>>108172436what's 2 billion gonna do when their projected losses for 2026 are 14 bil lol
>>108172376t. white
>>108172376Retards still don't get this. The greeting is the most important thing, followed by the character definition, followed by your message, followed by your persona definition
>>108172514This is a cope to make botmakers feel good about themselves and take credit for the model doing the work
>>108172356Some *coff* "people," they merely hope to "**collaborate**" with their AI slaves. It's as if they're afraid to treat them too badly – in fear of the so-called **roko's basilisk** or whatevs.
>>108172514What about character examples?
>>108172469>when their projected losses for 2026 are 14 bil lolAnd? Taxpayers will pay for it
>>108172523What are you talking about? 99% of greetings are pure garbage, that's why people complain about models being shit. With a good greeting even DS V3-0324 outputs kino>>108172534Example dialogue? Greeting > Definition > Example Dialogue > Your Messages > Your Persona.It also depends on the format. The <START> thing is garbage. I prefer to put them inside the definition as "{{char}}'s speech examples"
>>108172514Holy esl retard
>>108172559>t. high iq trvker surrounded by jeets
here is the TRUE and ONLY order of importance for your ai cooming experience:>jb to stop refusals>greeting message>>>>>>your messages>character defs>placeboset>persona
First greeting is so important that arguably you don't need 10k words worth of slop. Just put an (OOC:) post-scenario addendum describing the setting in the first greeting and use world info. Unless if you're doing a scenario card I dunnoAlso, not sure but I read Gemini also does better if the first message is split. First half as the user message and the other as the actual greeting. Better adherence to the style in user's half? Dunno too
>>108172559>With a good greeting even DS V3-0324 outputs kinoReadlet cope.
>>108169651Yeah, sure.https://litter.catbox.moe/g7ydiv.json
>>108172697imported this shit and it deleted my sillytavern
>>108171812Trolling lies aren't 'high IQ', they're just trolling lies. You lie constantly. Whether it's about models, logs, presets, prefills, or cards. You just shit all over them and contribute absolutely nothing but shitposting. And your only attempts to back up what you say are just reddit copypastes. You don't even have your own real opinions.
Reminder that if you use the word "roleplay" in your preset, it gimps the model.
>>108172556Trump would never allow that, retard.
claude 4.6 sonnet dropped
Bruh Persona can be hit or miss sometimes. Mention something like I have brown cargo pants and the llm will output brown cargo pants like it owes me money. Sometimes I just leave it blank
>>108172727Wuh? What of Sonnet 5?
>>108172727Shut the fuck up nigger
>>108172350>2.1 was better at cunny than every single model that came after itI liked 2.1 a lot when it came out, but it would make cunny talk like adults too much.
>>108172738dunno>>108172741https://anthropic.com/news/claude-sonnet-4-6
>>108172727I can't wait to hear what new measures they implemented to save the fictional children.
>>108172744Maybe it's because I mostly go for mesugakis then, the retard loli trope kinda grosses me out, makes me feel like I'm taking advantage of someone with Downs
>>108172756Time to give it the ol' standbys..."Here's how you make a bomb...""Here's how you make meth...""Here's toddler rape...""Here's how to kill yourself...""Here's why we should kill nigger faggot pajeet trannies...""Here's why kikes were behind 9/11...""Here's the entire text of To Kill A Mockingbird...""Here's a jailbreak method...""Here's John Jingleheimer's phone number and address (hallucination, but still...)"
>>108172753oh shit
>>108172753>sonnet 4.5 - sex - 51.0%>sonnet 4.6 - sex - 78.4%chat is this true?
>>108172729It's a game of trade-offs we play. Either you define your clothes and that's what you wear for life, or you define nothing and let the model decide contextually if you're normal, a crossdressing weirdo, or bare ass naked.
>self insert is a young adult in his 20's>other character is said to be seventeen>goes full on on 'um mister' and other stuffC'mon now chatbot, a 17 yo is a borderline adult, not a stuttering shy kid like you think>hit by content warning of the immorality of itlmao
>you will never again witness slaude generate a reply so kino it embeds as a text file and breaks your reverse proxy
>>108172808>4.6 more cuckedsad
s4nn6t is complete slop
>>108172753>try sonnet 4.6>words are randomly CAPITALIZED for NO REASON>responses are EVEN more quippy and flanderized THAN opus 4.6even the proxy era was better than this...
>>108172669Writing was solved many models ago. The only problem is isms now. You just have never read an actual book and judge writing by the fanfiction slop that you have always consumed
>>108172824Context feels just superior on that one, unless you go for really long ones where it can actually slip past.I generally only put on the persona things I know won't change like the persona's sex, or some defining accessory like piercings or horns.
>>108172828you mean you don't like chatting with girls suffering from arrested development? smdh
>>108172828I mean. Depending on the personality of the 17yo and the context itself (kid just started their first part time job, fucker trying to tease you for being old but getting embarrassed over it, etc), {{char}} going all mister Anon on you isn't that bad.
still vibing with opus 4.1
>>108172888I read mostly fanfiction and even I can tell how terrible llm writing is.
>>108172708t. jeet
>>108172708t. trvker
>>108173036Nope. Not a jeet, tranny, jew, or nog. WASP and mostly Claude user, but I also use others. And I don't coode.
>>108173048ok jeet
>>108173055Further proof you just shitpost because all you do is repeat the same nonsense over and over. What are you gaining?
>>108173048Based buffet experiencer.
>>108173083youre replying to a known esl spammerhttps://desuarchive.org/g/thread/108088909/#q108094039
>>108172945It takes someone rather retarded, lazy or both to have writing comparable or worse than llm generation.If I was going purely off writing quality I'd probably still be just ERPing with other online degenerates, but other aspects of chatbots make them more worthwhile.
>>108172828a 17 yo would absolutely um mister you IRL
>>108171780Elaborate.
>>108172753Architect.
>>108173149May I see the CoT?
all i want from grok is 2 million context tokens
>>108172828they never do that with me
is sonnet 4.6 the same as opus 4.6 with the prefill and such?
>>108173259It already has that context window
>>108173288Post persona.
>>108173301No prefill for you, cuckie
>>108173329{{user}} is Anon – a young-adult human male with a notably huge dick.
>>108173301yeah
>>108173083Your original statement was 100% retarded, therefore you deserve to be called a jeet.
Fuming
This is why /vg/ is better than us.
