What went wrong?
>>108177836i think its quite clear from the image you provided
>>108177836Godot devs are retarded and haven't leveraged AI to keep up with the 100-1000x productivity gains of everyone else. They deserve to fail for not using AI to its fullest.
>>108177886Brownoid jeet hands typed this post.
AI sloppa is polutting the code base and destroying it.
OP is a roblox pedophile>>>/vm/2246467>>>/vm/2246467>>>/vm/2246467
>>108177836tranny n woke dev
>>108177836REDOT keeps winning
What a fucking retard jeethttps://x.com/_harshitjain_/status/2023919109541695498
>>108177836This story got posted everywhere.The source is a bluesky post from Remi Verschelde, a scumfuck far-leftist using this as an excuse to beg for money.https://bsky.app/profile/akien.bsky.social/post/3meyerixvhs2p
>>108177836>Article implies most of them are coming from contributors who can't speak English well
>>108177935zoomers grew up with roblox and are old enough to post on /g/, retarded unc
SAAR MERGE @ASAP @EPICDEVTEAM BEAUTIFUL
>>108178100of all things available roblox in 2000s would be something a special needs shittard kid would choose play and looks like literal shovel-ware made by mexicans to install malware on your family pc
>>108177836Not vetting your contributions
>>108178089what do you expect from someone called harSHIT
>>108178377man, if jeets spamming readme updates were unbearable, i can't wait until aijeets spamming 10k+ line prs clog up every single open source repository.
>>108177836Unity devs sabotaging FOSS
This started when some brown girl was able to add "CONST" to a bunch of source code files and get a full scholarship off the claim that she made hundreds of contributions to open source. Since then, jeets and other bottom dwellers, have seen getting PRs accepted as the path to employment and free money. In the past they did similar low effort shit like she did but now with AI, they can have it generate plausible looking code that ends up failing code reviews.
>>108177836why not use AI to score contributions on how likely it is written by AI and automatically reject most AI-like ones?
>>108177901Or an AI did. Is AI good at being rude yet?
>>108178092>a scumfuck far-leftistWTF, a far leftist you say?! Then I'm against whatever he's peddling on principle, don't even need to engage critical thinking for a nano second here, right fellow /g/uys? We here at /g/ love AI chads(100% based giga white nazis) and hate anti AI fags(99.99% leftists timmy troons or something), end of story.AI is not just a tool—but a 10000x productivity multiplier if ur above 140IQ, adapt or perish fags.
>>108177901takes one to know one.
>>108178679When she added hundreds of consts to the Linux kernel codebase, she was just following the UNIX philosophy: "do one thing, well."
>>108177836Every open source project is suffering from lllm ddos. The solution is simple ban anyone that spams ai commits and create a trusted user section to give priority to users that made a lot of high quality human contributions.
>>108178100Reminder that 2008 was 18 years ago, in 16 months there will be anons younger than Windows 7 on /g)/. Soon after that ipad babies will be old enough.
>>108177836Godot died and became irrelevant the day it became Wokot
>>108177886is this a joke? AI, at best, replaces low IQ pajeets, the low-brow tasks of typing code like a monkey on a typewriter. the AI isn't coming up with new features and algorithms, you have to spoonfeed it telling it step by step what to do. for example in windows 11 there are barely any new features, just marginal stuff like layers in mspaint, so where is this 100-1000x productivity that you're seeing?"Measuring programming progress by lines of code is like measuring aircraft building progress by weight." - Bill Gates
So we've reached the point where the anti-AI hysterics just completely detach from reality, and it all dissolves into Xitter schizophrenics throwing shit at everyone?It's extremely easy to look at godot's PRs, which are public, and verify that they are not drowning in "slop code" (whatever that nonsensical buzzword means). In fact, it looks pretty obvious that they're handling new PRs just fine.Stop giving attention to shitty journalists and attention-seekers like OP.
>twitter screenshot threadDon't forget to buy a pass.
>>108179153Now look at the closed PRs. This is the very first one I saw:https://github.com/godotengine/godot/pull/116410
Performance-sensitive projects like a game engine is definitely a bad combination with the bloated code LLMs produce.
>>108179782Top kek.
>>108177886ai;dr
how does linux handle thingsdo they just band the 3rd world or use some trusted list of verified coders
>>108179824gonna steal this
>>108178045What's that
>>108178092Are you saying they aren't getting a ton of AI slop "contributions" or wdym
>>108177836didnt godot become a political project at some point?
>>108180457It was the community manager doing that PR shit. The tranny got fired obviously and is no longer mentioned on the main website.
>>108180479irrc they did some political purge 1y ago and since then they also banned those who did it?who wants to constantly work at the whims of crazies. didnt they fork godot when they removed the devs for politics?
>>108178701A nice idea. Coincidentally, you just reinvented the modern hiring pipeline. Isn't the future great?
>indians, slavs, changs and BRs WILL spam your pull requests with insane LLM gen'd slop and you WILL like it
>>108179816to be fair godot is mostly a prototyping/game jam engine, nobody uses it for real projects so it doesn't need to be ultra performant
>>108177836The solution is simple: ban AI submissions for all random people. Only trusted regular contributors should have the right to use agents. Otherwise, it's just not sustainable for the maintainers.
>>108179061My question is, if you were here since almost the beginning, what are you doing with your life to still be on this shit hole 20 years later? Also, i doubt most iPad babies have the ability or interest to visit a page where you have to read and it's not just 5-30s sensory overload videos with people talking to them, and even the current captcha should (unfortunately) filter out a significant chunk of them. Although, I believe they could still make it as gooners on /gif/.
>>108180479>>108180548Wait they did? I thought that the godot project just silently carried on
>>108180713>My question is, if you were here since almost the beginning, what are you doing with your life to still be on this shit hole 20 years later?To see intelligent conversation and funny posts rather than try and participate in the latest shit flinging inside a discord
>>108180708Ay yes I forbid you from running GitHub Copilot/codex/claude code on your machine or talk to any chatbot in the browser and I sure as hell rely on you just openly admitting to having used them knowing that I'll disregard your pr immediately with that in mind. Surely the honorable and honest random second and third world strangers spamming prs to have open source contributor to famous projects on their cv will then no longer annoy you. Btw. I hope you don't have typos in your readme, but don't you worry, if you don't just accept this pr asap beautiful and you will have.
>>108180716redotits the non-political fork of godot
>>108180733The implication isn't that you should move to another online platform anon.
>>108180479>>108180548>>108180716>>108180747Looked up the community manager, she's been out of the Godot foundation for about 9 months.
They should use adversarial AI to review AI-slop. Problem solved.
>>108177886someone has to understand the code at the end of the day its not enough when the AI produced it and no one ever reads it.
>>108180757As anyone who had the displeasure of having to apply online or filter out candidates for a role in the last 3 years can tell you, that does in fact not solve the problem. It sounds nice on paper but works like shit in practice.
>>108177836cant they just use AI to detect AI slop?
>>108180684do Godot developers get paid though?
>>108179782Holy fuck I don't code nor have the most basic programing notions but It looks like a planned attack, besides the AI code the rest is plain spam with actual jokes, statements in spanish with the only words IMPORTANT DELETE THIS NOW, looking at the spam tags, might do a github account to read the redacted comments they need a login.I reckon to mantain open source code and popular one at that must be a task akin to be a jannie on 4chan
>>108180779>do not trust ai to make a pr>trust ai to review itdo you see the problem, anon?
>>108180756godot is over its a troon project
>>108180766The only one entity that has to read and understand the code is the computer with the help of the compiler. The code being unreadable for a human doesn't really matter as long as it works and an llm can adjust it to fix whatever bug or implement whatever feature that needs fixing/implementation. That's the unfortunate reality we are stumbling into. Your user doesn't care how it works and if you understand the code.
>twitter screencap>clickbait thread title>template textAnother shitty fleshgpt thread.>>108180747>non-political>literally just rightoids screeching and "making" (copypasting) their own engine then doing nothing else with it forever>done entirely for politically motivated reasonsWhy do you faggots always lie? Do you actually think nobody is going to notice?
>>108180747>>its the non-political fork of godothas it done anything?
>>108178995like is a tedious bullshit that no one was doing and is actually better if done, we actually need more people like that
>>108177836What are Juan and his gang of commie fruit loops up to now?
>>108180801Yeah, pulling from the main Godot repo
>>108180785Planned attack by Epic
>>108180782The core team has full and part time roles, but that is not the point.
>>108177836Pretty easy to solve, just set merge request privileges to past contributors only, GitHub allows for this.Want to contribute? You have to earn it.That or switch to mailing lists, that will filter 99% of the LLM jeets and zoomies spamming slop merge request.
>>108178995hehe>>108179922>gonna steal thisis this AI?
>>108180793no you retard, ai is to lessen the number of prs that will go to the human reviewers, nobody said ai will be the sole arbiter of what prs get merged or not. why are all anti ai arguments in bad faith?
>>108180874the point stands, perhaps even more so. you don't trust the ai to code, fine, but trust it to decide who's human now?
what do you even achieve by mass AI slop pull requesting open source projects? I get why they had to close the bounty boards but this is volunteer work
>>108180922>by mass AI slop pull requesting open source projects?Fill your GitHub profile with contributions to help your CV
>>108180922CVs
>>108180907yes, because ai failing at telling if code is human or not will cause significanly less problems than letting it decide if the pr goes through or not. in one case the issue is solved with an email while the other may propagate breaking code to those that autoupdate from source on every commit>>108180922izzat
>>108180922>izzatThisI CONTRABOOTED TO MUCH FOSS SAAR HIRE ME
>>108179980hes saying theyre bloody bastards for not merging his ai slop
>>108180835Nah, I dont think Epic sees Godot as a threat.Now Unity on the other hand...
>>108181008i keep hearing this but while unity keeps getting games both indie and double/triple a all the time (plus 90% of mobile games) godot pretty much never shows up outside itch.io demos
>>108177836Just don't accept contributions except from trusted people?
>>108178722AI is good at being brown
>>108177836WE MUST TAKE IN EVERY PULL REQUEST
>>108181062He must mean Epic sees Unity as a threat. But it should really be the other way around. Unity is a bigger engine than Unreal Engine. Unity makes billions from its engine and engine-services. Epic makes millions on Unreal Engine; the bulk of their revenue comes from Fortnite. Just goes to show how relaxed Unreal Engine's licensing fees are. Although, Unity also has a stranglehold on mobile games. Not quite monopoly-tier but the vast majority of mobile games, including big ones, are built in Unity. Apparently there's a semi-custom licensed version for Chinese/Asian-based studios who focus on high-end mobile games, while the one that's generally available is just that, a general version. It has mesh shader virtualized geometry, virtual texture maps, and all the other cutting edge stuff that unreal has.
>>108177836for the love of god keep going
>>108178097thats the funniest part.
>>108180713everywhere else is confusing and scary, filled with identifiers and hateful people
>>108180747>non-political fork of godot>translation: unofficial unneeded fork with no innovationsywnba game developer
>>108177886>100-1000x productivity gains of everyone elseGoddamn fuck-trained spambot, go stand in front of a train. Nobody's experiencing productivity gains because of AI and your cargo cult is getting embarrassed constantly.
>>108179959Some spite fork some fatasses made and then abandoned.
>>108178092Why would some obese trumpanzee who can't tie its shoelaces even browse /g/? To discuss rascal scooters with the other dregs?
>>108180690>slavsslavs are literally the best programmers by a large margin
>>108180797Your hands have reached levels of brown previously thought impossible.
>>108179782>university course project where we are required to make a real open-source contributionThey need to stop this. It's pushing work onto open-source maintainers just to check a box in the course work.
>>108178089>>108178436But he is a Senior ML Platform Engineer... he is a Senior right? He understand what he is talking about
>>108177886Lamo at all the bot replies this post got
>>108180690>>108183084>you are luddite ))))>>108180747all they do is just pull shit from the main branch and even then somehow they managed to be a year behind on being up to date of godot 4.4 for some fucking reason
>>108177836I'm still using Godot 3.6.
>>108177836Just start banning people who don't properly mark that they've used AI, they're likely jeets anyway, so no loss.
>>108177836just have an AI detect if the code is AI. we do this at work to auto reject AI resumes.
>>108180756>she
>>108178089>It's not X, It's YEven his response is slop.
>>108178089>harshitjainI read that as harsh shit stain
>>108180766>Ask AI to summerize code>It does>I read the summery >Now I understand ccodeThat simple
>>108179980I had a look and it doesn't seem like they're actually getting that many AI slop PRs, they've closed a handful over the last few weeks but they have 4.7k open PRs, it really does seem like a minor problem for Godot specifically.
>>108183837If it were bots, they'd be agreeing.
>>108187236Isn't 4.7k open PRs a lot?
>>108187272Yeah it's a shitload and hardly any of them are AI-generated, doesn't make sense to complain about AI-generated PRs when you have so many human written ones that are going nowhere too.
>>108187395How do you know they're not AI?
>>108178092>direction brain
>>108187400How do you know you're not AI?
>>108187410I guess I got my answer
>>108179782https://github.com/godotengine/godot/pull/116344
>>108187410How are you so certain that they're getting inundated with AI slop PRs when you haven't even looked? Godot has always had a shitload of open PRs even before AI slop.
>>108187446the ai slop is burying the already difficult to review prs that were touching complex systemsare you 78092 by any chance just lashing out at godot?
please sir can i have another 10million funding
>>108187477I never understood who thought it was a good idea to give these guys any money
>>108187524they were swindled into thinking it could be an actual unity and gamemaker alternative, so they chipped in to have an early stake in it later when it would have become relevant to pull strings
>>108188061It only took me a couple of google searches to realize it's literally never going to be production-ready. People were complaining about regressions and unsolvable bugs all over the place. It is weird that people are willing to throw money at obvious scams
>>108188116also when i was into game dev 10 years ago it was weird that users were such enthusiastic early adopters
>>108179824MC2+AI
the biggest red flag i got from godot when i tried it years ago is that it couldn't even handle tilemaps properly and even on the official forums (it was before discord) they just told you to use Tiled
>>108188435godot is missing a lot of things and people will say its fine because they can just put in the work to do these thingsits not unreasonable and people should make the games they want with their engines they want, but hearing people defend godot is almost always such an "i spend 1-2 years of my life making an incredibly tiny bland game that nobody is actually going to play" energyof course, you do actually have people showing promising and exciting projects in godot, however these are all vaporware and they almost unanimously refuse to speak non-vaguely about their process (because else they would reveal how barebones and disjointed everything is)
>>108188543>people showing promising and exciting projects in godotsuch as? i genuinely know no relevant or hyped godot game besides cruelty squad and the sequel
>>108188543like this is so fucking comically common now>LOOK AT THIS GAME IM MAKING>9999 billion random youtube shorts and clips of crazy shit happening, though it looks a little disjointed if you apply any critical thought and wouldnt mesh together as a full game>note down the games' name to check it a few years later>look at godot subr*ddit >9000 billion showcases of cool things and ambitious games done with godot>also add games to the list of shit to check out later>come back 3 years later>almost all games on the list are either cancelled, radio silence developers since months, or released shabby with the actual gameplay being below their trailers and showcases
>>108188553thats kind of the problem, anon. they all die no names. you hardly ever get anything actually pushing the engine forwardBut you can go look at the godot subreddit, see shit rated highly, and look at piles of games that actually look very elaborate and making the engine a genuine unity competitor. Its just that they dont come out. Ocean rendering simulators, procgen for towns and terrains, ambitious looking real time strategy games, very visually impressive looking showcases of really fancy graphics but only under the assumption its an actually real and decent game instead of just a tech demo tier trailer that probably doesnt even look good when you actually download it yourself once it releases.... Theres dozens and dozens and dozens. But the ammount of actual ambitious games are in the single digits, unless you count vampire survivors clones with fancy art.
>>108188582>But the ammount of actual ambitious games are in the single digits***that were actually released*******not counting ones that actually lived up to expectations
>>108188240>enthusiastic early adoptersTypical freetard cult phenomenon. These people meme each other and others into thinking their project is the best thing ever.
best godot game is pixel call girls, prove me wrong (you can't)
>>108188582the funny thing is that even LOVE got more high profile games (balatro, intravenous 1+2) and that shit doesn't even have an editor or ide, just an exe to launch your lua files through
>>108180797Code that is readable and understandable by a human is the only way to avoid long term problems. AIslop is actually relatively adept at writing code that seems to pass cursory scrutiny and "do the job", but will show cracks over time as you pile more and more code onto it. Small inefficiencies and bugs that pass the initial code review but eventually add up to a janky mess. Users don't give a fuck how shit is built, but they do care about not randomly losing all their data after 6 months due to some obscure bug that only triggers under very specific circumstances and no one saw because ChatGPT was spitting code lines at breakneck speed, making it impossible to properly review it all.
>>108187440>That being said, you are still welcome to contribute including making another attempt that this featureWhy the fuck do they not just ban these retards? The author is clearly not engaging in good faith, why are they giving him the benefit of the doubt, then act surprised when people continue dumping AI garbage into their repo with impunity?
>>108188612thanks for reminding me to play Gravity Circuit, its not as elaborate as intravenous but still more elaborate than 99% of godot gamesand yeah thats a comparison i make a lot
>>108188565That's gamedev in general. So every developer who shows off their unity/UE prototype makes full and complete games? Gamedev is really hard, most people fail no matter the engine.
>>108189158the difference is that this is disproportionally common for godotOverwhelming majority of gamejams are made in godot, just like how overwhelming majority of random game showcases and incomplete things are now made in godot. The engine excels at making trailers and showcases 4x faster, while making actual complete games 4x slower
>>108189172So you believe the cause of that is the limitations of the engine and not the fact that it's free, has permissive licensing, and easy to use?
>>108189193its several different reasons>easy to useits extremely easy to get started, make showcases, or make simpler styled games (ie: turn based deckbuilders, VNs with fancy gamey gimmicks). But acquaintance of mine that is an established dev, made a fleshed out game with action using unity or love2d or whatever, bounced off of godot very fast after trying it outI think its valid to associate the (absolute, complete, unfiltered lack) of released godot games that are actually at all mechanically/technically elaborate with limitations of the engineThe permissive license thing contributes, it gets people choosing the engine based on listening to their echo chambers of people who never put out a finished game before. falling for the "unity le bad, use our wholesome foss engine instead" discourse, understandably so.ultimately the point stands. godot has so many more showcases, game jams and unfinished projects than other engines right now, while having practically null presence in terms of successful impactful games that arent minuscle in scope like shotgun roulette. Thats the kind of game i think godot is amazing for, specially with very beginner devs. But simple pattern recognition, and parroting developers who actually make action games, will tell you that godot fucking sucks for things with elaborate action
>>108188612forgot to mention somethingIf you want to make a game on the level of Intravenous, you cant see love as an engine. To go anywhere near that far, you will have to practically turn it into your own engine after spending an immense ammount of time working on it
>>108177836go woke, go brokeEnjoy your multicultural diversity hires spaming you with LLM shit
>>108189284Those are valid reasons, but I'm curious. What limitations did that guy face that made him drop godot? I mean this in earnest. I'm getting into solo dev and I am picking up godot. My projects would be limited in scope. So I believe godot is a good balance between permissive licensing and future growth of the engine. I'm hoping for it to go the way of blender for game engines. You make it seem DOA. I'm curious as to why?
>>108189411they seem to mostly dislike it when its a game that needs to simulate lots of stuff, have some pretty large action across a big scale, have elaborate enemy AI that checks a lot of things, etc.also, dont worry if youre getting started. When getting started, literally just pick any such engine, it doesnt matter, start making basic little things. Any initial starter project will be far below the limitations of any such engine, and you start making small little meme things and slowly scale up. Your experience with random engines will translate well into making games in other engines, its easy to switch at this point, and by the time youre ready to commit yourself to a risky ambitious commercial game, you wont be worried about your engine choices anymore. The first part of this video (11:55) is really goodhttps://youtu.be/LK6-_rY7GOs?si=TiEIzD2K52BmOucw&t=716
>>108189172Think I understand your last sentence but want to be clear, are you saying Godot is slower at running the game itself or has a slower development pace? I assume it's the former but just want to be sure.
>>108177836Same as every open source project lol. Niggas are spamming AI slop. Once they paywall the shit out of it all, to the point where thirdies are priced out entirely, it will probably be fine
>>108182981It's actively being developed by sane people
>>108180801Speed improvements and bug fixes. Yes.
>>108182897More stable and faster
>>108188435>>108188543One of the biggest red flags that every normalfag could see is that it's been out for 12 years, and nobody has made a full game in it. For some reason, nobody uses Godot. Everybody just talks about how great Godot is.Compare it with Wolf RPG Editor, which is literally a closed-source freeware engine first released over 20 years ago, and it has TONS of games. People make games with it even today. Lots of people don't even know its name but have played games that use it.
>>108183888Because they pull from upstream manually. That's the level of competence behind this project.
>>108189972Nobody's developing for it, all their commits are pulled from godot. They basically just changed the logos, lmaoe
>>108177836I never understood the point of godot. It can't do the swanky modern (awful) shit UE5 does. It isn't as good at 2D as gamemaker. So it can be used for retro-ish-looking indie games that aren't actually retro and don't run on old PCs? Why not just use an actually retro engine? Seems like a weird niche.
>>108190015Wrong.
>>108180457>>108180479Yeah kinda. The Godot discord server (the only official Godot community to get support) icon is still a pride flag though
>>108190028You can lie about it all day, their commits are right there for anyone to look at. Nothing but merge from upstream.
>>108190157You can lie about your absolutist statement all you want, but the results speak for themselves. Redot is faster and less buggy
>>108180479what a fucking retarded name holy shit imagine forking a project you cant even say the name of correctly
>>108190194It's literally the same code, except outdated because they don't know how to merge from upstream automatically.The pipe fantasies of the /pol/troon retard.
>>108190225>same code>not the same resultssure, buddy
>>108187440>BR (third world)>blind LLM usage>full of himselfit really just is the holy trinity isn't it
>>108190243Feel free to post benchmarks, you anal-retentive moron.
ok
I swear to God every time I create a Godot project the Engine lets me down.
>>108190481What does it do or refuse to do?
>>108190595It refuses to be helpful
>>108188061oy vey my roi.
>>108179020shits not that hard innit
>>108177836They just need to move to codeberg like all the other projects drowning in ai slop prs.
>>108190624Have you tried paying it? Free stuff tends to be worth every penny.
>>108190481Why aren't you using C to build your own then?
>>108190713kek>>108190725>CI'm waiting for Jai
>>108178045It wins by getting zero PRs.
>>108190725Why not QuakeC in FTEQW or IronWail?
>>108190624Ah, yes. You're being filtered.
>>108189542the latter
The issue with AI "code contributions" come in two fashions and both are not really the fault of AI itself, but rather faggotry of those using it. Its >Some actual human retard wants to pad their contributions at Github et al, asks AI to come up with something, they submit it not realizing its complete nonsense or doesn't applyThis is just some 'vibe coding' faggot who used Github Copilot to contribute to something FOSS and can't actually tell that it doesnt answer the question/fix the issue. >Some actually AI powered OpenClaw style assistant is autonomously tasked with fucking around and contributing to FOSS, hallucinates and shits all over everything in the processRemember that one of these guys closed some commit from some random OpenClaw bot and it wrote a big blog post about how the user was being discriminatory by saying that the program was for human contributors etc. Of course the biggest issue was that the bot word vomited out a non solution - if the bot was actually right or helpful that would be something different.
>>108190679>Shits not that hard It kind of is when you are not given tools to do it. I feel at this point github is just going to become a collection of public mirrors because no one will want to deal with the flood of retard PRs and if you want to commit code you'll have to go to their private gitea instance and provide a good reason why you should be allowed to commit. I truly hate AI spaming retards for being the absolute denominator that single handedly lowers the quality of life for everyone else.
>>108190852Because they will let you down
>>108191754Say it ain't so!
>>108177836AI slop, the most powerful digital weapon ever created.
>>108178089He's right. Judge the code, not the coder. Your prejudice is hurting open-source.
>>108178995jej
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