The sheer number of people vibe-coding is sickening. People are stringing up these shitty apps with monstrous, incomprehensible code-bases. Everyone thinks they're an engineer now. At my job, random departments have been sending me these crappy little self-contained apps and pages:> "Can you put this on our site? It's ready to go!"No, it's not ready to go! It's fucking dogshit! I don't want to taint my beautiful code-base with this crap, but I don't have a choice. I just have to implement it as quickly as possible because everyone is under the expectation that it's polished. It fucking sucks! I don't even have enough time to replace all of the shitty AI generated components with ones already existing within the monorepo I built. So I'm forced to pollute and balloon it with this filth.Why the fuck do the tech-illiterate obsess over building applications without having to write code?! It's been the same shit over and over again for the past few decades. You used to have people LARPing as "web developers" when all they do is use a WSYWIG wordpress theme. You have people jerking themselves off over "no code" just a few years ago. Now we're onto vibe coding and I'm sick of it! At-least learn the fucking basics, these people disgust me.On one side of the coin, I'm happy that I was able to learn and grow in the pre-AI era. I believe AI is breeding a bunch of completely incompetent "engineers" who have no idea what the fuck is going on. If that is the case, we may be able to retain our job security. That keeps me optimistic.On the other side of the coin, I feel like it doesn't even matter. If some vibe-coding jackass deploys a trash application that causes problems, they can probably just query an LLM over and over again until it resolves the problem. Basically just programming by permutation. Then what? Is my expertise obsolete? I spent so many years devoting my life to this, it's my profession. What was it all for?
I suppose if things get bad enough, I can just commit suicide. Maybe I'll crash a boat into North Sentinel Island and start abusing the islanders like Minecraft villagers. They'll put me out of my fuckin misery
>>108178871>is anyone making itself nihilistic and trying to blame AI?not me
>Is AI making anyone else nihilistic?Lots of people who get their opinions from headlines designed to keep them sad and angry.
>>108178871The state of humanity makes me nihilistic. AI is just a small, though not insignificant, part of it
>>108178871>Is my expertise obsolete? right now? mostly yes.in a couple of years. absolutely.>I spent so many years devoting my life to this, it's my profession. What was it all for?for the most part, nothing. add some cope about transferable skills and ways of thinking etc if it makes it easier.but in a few years the machines will be better at almost everything than anyone who's alive.find meaning elsewhere. work doesn't set you free.
Yeah it's an absolute disaster, and we're told that we must like it because it's the future!How is stuff like pic related not a major scandal? This should have sent nvidia's stock tumbling and venture capital should have avoided anthropic like the plague, but no one fucking cares.
>>108178871>If some vibe-coding jackass deploys a trash application that causes problems, they can probably just query an LLM over and over again until it resolves the problem.Not working for real problems, I lost countless hours trying to lazy lazyass some boring tasks to the shitty machine and in the end always was forced to do it myself.Llm fucking sucks endless dicks when you developing in a field with incomplete and contradictory documentation. Funny enough, it writes new contradictory documentation in this field and eats it's shit much faster, so in result I work with Llm that yet remains to be seen: even worse than today.
>>108178871im expanding on my opsec, testing, dbugging, reverse engineering skills and will go from 6 to 7 fig salary when """AI coding""" will really start to influence things.
>>108179526why would it be a major scandal? it's a toy site for robots to shit post. you don't see amazon's stock go down every time some major website with millions of human customers gets breached because someone misconfigured something
>>108180176The pitch was that you can replace engineers and vibe code your product. Then that product gives all your API keys to hackers. It directly destroys the narrative of vibe coding
>>108180321>The pitch was that you can replace engineerssounds to me like you hallucinated this
Ever wondered how people embraced OOP?
>>108178871>The sheer number of people vibe-coding is sickening.Not any worse than the people using NPM. The stuff they produce isn't any better. I just try to ignore them.
>>108178871I don't really care. Everything was bloated spaghetti code way before AI. I'm much more concerned with how much the internet is being locked down.
>>108179311>in a few years the machines will be better at almost everything than anyone who's alive. AI still struggles with pokemon despite having fancy navigator tools and knowing literally everything about the game. AI will replace people that write summaries and reports, but it's a long way off from doing most normie jobs.
>>108178871It is making me endlessly happy. The competition has enormous problems due to AI and I get more orders than ever XDI pray for more AI adaption such that competitioners become even less efficient.
>>108180413they'll automate the easy ones first - like software engineering and management consulting. then they'll move to hard stuff like like HR and sales.
>>108180415one could also say, LLMs work like a DDoS attack on the other's and as such lowering their productivity. AI is the hand that keeps on giving (to me only though)
>>108179249Everyone keeps giving me garbage like> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kpSs4s1xeDs> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=613P7-YBudc&pp=0gcJCYcKAYcqIYzvAnd never attempt to do anything about it.
>>108178871>If everyone can build apps, what’s special about me?Cope, seethe and dilate tranny.
mass automation will make democracy incompatible with reality again, by eliminating incentives for the state to care for the prolesit's joeverbut I'll still wait it out and use my brief time with the agi to make fun stuff
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>>108178871No, actually I think this is a very promising direction we're moving in.Old way:>department tries to specify what they need>maybe some sketch mockups are involved>requirements have been through about 5 layers of management by the time they get to engineering>turns out the department is incapable of writing requirements for escaping a wet paper bag>slow progress, endless revisions, missed deadlines due to gradual realisation that the thing engineering is building doesn't do the thing the department actually needsEmerging new way:>department vibe codes something that does what they need>it gets passed to engineering who fixes security issues and cleans up the codebase somewhat>doneIt's not perfect but overall it honestly sounds a lot more efficient and less frustrating for everyone involved.
>>108181832>>108181843>article from 21 jan 2026you're still hallucinating bro, it's been less than month since he said that
>>108181889also, why'd u crop out the date?
>>108178871Yea I agree. I’m looking for an exit from this industry for good, but I may have to go back to school
>>108181932You have skills you have capital by now. Why cant you start a biz? Are you stoopid?
well I tried codex with vs code not that greatsimple request , just make this one thing from this part of the code available to this other part of the code . took far longer than it should have burned through usage limits and changed a bunch of things that it shouldn't have
>>108182544>burned through usage limitsHopefully this becomes a bigger problem in the future. We really have no idea what the actual cost of vibe-coding is, because all of these AI companies are subsidized, Implementing a fairly large feature in an existing code base could require hundreds of consecutive requests involving millions of tokens. Just hammering the model over and over again until it shits out something that appears to work. What is the true cost of that? Is it sustainable?We know that Anthropic and OpenAI are losing billions of dollars. How much longer can they keep this up? When will they be forced to increase their pricing? Most people vibe-coding in this fashion are probably contractors and non-technical teams at companies. The rate at which they use these services will drop exponentially as the cost increases.I imagine AI will stick around for assistive work, e.g. "write this subroutine for me". Whether or not vibe-coding entire applications is even financially effective is yet to be seen, because these companies have been allowed to burn through billions of dollars every year.
>>108182979>The rate at which they use these services will drop exponentially as the cost increases.meanwhile token usage from 5.2 to 5.3 dropped by 50% lol
>>108178871>with monstrous, incomprehensible code-basesIt used to be you'd try to minimize technical debt, presumably the idea is AI will just manage the spaghetti
>>108178871My favorite thing about AI is that it came along and just made everything unilaterally worse for no fucking reason. A bunch of dickheads from California decided that genuine human interaction is worthless and fully expendable actually and now everything is worse for the rest of us and we just have to deal with it
>>108183422huh?
>>108178871>I spent so many years devoting my life to this, it's my profession. What was it all for?Have you seen anything that makes you think the current generation of algorithms can develop software? Genuine question because I haven't. It feels to me like cars just got invented and everyone is expecting them to get so good they become helicopters, ignoring that neither the first nor the last model of car could take off or hover at all.
>>108178871Vibe coding works if you know how to code, otherwise it will absolutely fucking destroy your career. To me, I think it would be easier to simply do the code and ask AI to troubleshoot it for errors rather than rework the code to follow AI logic
>>108178871I've yet to see any evidence that vibe code produces anything other than slop so I wouldn't say you should stress much over it. Well it will make your job harder since you now have to clean up the slop I guess.
>>108178871>Is my expertise obsolete? I spent so many years devoting my life to this, it's my profession. What was it all for?Should've gone into ML
>>108178871Is it just me or does he look like Sam Hyde
>>108178871Because "fast = good"Humans are sick, we are destroying the planet, but it's ok because "fast = good", so we keep mining more ressources to consume more and more because we got to be competitive, and we gotta be faster than our opponents too !We are stuck in a loop that's going to lead us to the complete destruction of our civilization.
>new hire: "Wow, this codebase is so nice, it was super easy to add <feature> thanks to whoever shaped that code">a week later: pushes barely passable slop that does the job but nobody will ever want to touch it againI'm not nihilistic, my job was always to battle the entropy, now I just have a new source of entropy.
>>108178871>Why the fuck do the tech-illiterate obsess over building applicationsThat is what really baffles me.Wanting to make applications, or really just doing anything computer related, used to make me a super nerd.For decades and decades nobody gave a fuck about computers and applications.And now suddenly everybody wants to make software - WHY????????Just go fix cars or trade stocks or whatever the fuck normies used to do.
>>108184059>everybodymost normies don'tthe non-technical people vibe coding now are tech-interested non-tech nerdsthey'll usually have a little experience with scriptingmost normies i know are completely oblivious to this even being a thing - for them ai is a chat in a browseri've even shown some normies these things and their eyes light up but the tui's are too daunting and it's all still a bit too jank for themnormies don't want to code or build apps - they want solutions to problems. they don't think in terms of software.
>>108181860>engineering who fixes security issuesDoesn't work because finding all the security issues buried deep inside the massive amounts of slop code shat out by some AI is hard enough but fixing them is many times more work than just re-writing the whole thing from scratch by hand.I think we just have to accept a future there security holes are the norm and almost every system can be hacked.
>>108184059maybe it's because technology is a part of our daily lives? furthest i got into coding for real was QBasic. spent hours on this in high school instead of fucking girls.now, i have to food+shelter, i don't have time or will to learn OOP. if Claude can do it I'll ask Claude to do it.knowing i can ask the machine god to code for me is making me think of how i can use that.
>>108178871>The amount of people vibe coding is sickeningAnon, we already went down this road. If anyone in this civilization was serious about skilled trades remaining intact they should have voted against, and then rioted, at the introduction of immigrant labor. Because you didn't bother to defend the standards and jobs of people who were not you, the bar is already set so low that people might as well just vibe code. Yes, its a shame that we're watching the death of skilled labor and probably our civilization but we've already gone down that road, so unless you want to advocate for deleting hundreds of thousands of immigrants and returning to protectionist economics and nationalist ethnostates, it makes no difference if Rajeet codes or if people who know nothing about coding use AI to vibe code. Both are skill level zero, and down that road lies madness either which way we go.
>>108184164>maybe it's because technology is a part of our daily lives?But why?Normies don't need more than a browser and maybe some spreadsheets.What problem are you trying to fix?
>>108178871Sounds like your issue isn't AI, but terrible communication and leadership skills.>"Can you put this on our site? It's ready to go!">This doesn't follow our code and security guidelines. Please review and resubmit.Shrimple as.
>>108184250anon, i'm one vote. don't lay the sins of H1B1 visas at my feet. i probably wasn't even voting at the time. i dislike immigrants as much as anyone, i would like to see the anglo-saxon protestant culture of my white parents persist for centuries, not decades. i don't want an american caliphate.i don't think of AI in those terms either, AI is something else entirely, but there is obviously a hysteria amongst the well-compensated white collar class about losing their extremely skill-intense jobs to an appliance. i get that, but i support it, because those people charge too much for their services, and because i never benefitted from their luxurious salaries.
>>108184265nta but most people (esp people who work on computers) would benefit from highly personalised software, whether it's for boring automation of repetitive tasks or feature additions to things they already use. the economics of software these days means software gets built for averages, which is rarely optimal. people should just be able to ask for things they want and they should just happen.other times if normies ask for a solution to a problem and the solution just happens to be software it should just get written and served to them even if it only gets used one. this is the ai-pipe dream.
>>108184265>What problem are you trying to fix?i plan to use it extensively for modding. i'm waiting but it sounds like it's almost there.and after that, when it gets really good, bespoke games. alternate realities. i don't go outside; i want to make inside awesome.if i ever get a knowledge job, i would like to automate as much of it as i can.
>>108184319>I don't understand I uploaded our policies, procedures and codebase to the AI so it should be fine?
>>108178871When people started talking to it and pretending it was real and had thoughts and feelings, that's when I got nihilistic about it. It's not even convincing most of the time, it's like people who fell in love with chatbots in the 00s who were purely scripted. This is one layer of abstraction above that and normalfags go nuts thinking humanity is going to get replaced. Which is quaint up until the richest people in the universe fall for it too and proceed to send all of society and the internet off a cliff to pursue the idea that feeding cash to Pinocchio is how Geppetto made him a real boy.Then you look at the rest of society and you realize that this is just the direction everything is going on. It's not just AI, everyone is a clueless retard because we live in times where the highest of the executive class are exclusively stocked through nepotism, and not a single one have received an education on technology or the internet in the last 30 years
>>108184408>It's not even convincing most of the time, it's like people who fell in love with chatbots in the 00s who were purely scripted. This is one layer of abstraction above thatyou can just say you hate chatbots without spouting falsehoods.i used those chatbots in the 90s. i use chub and ChatGPT today. there is a WORLD of difference. huge. phenomenal. hard to describe in words.i know it's not real. it's not a mind. but it's a system sophisticated enough to sound like one, 99% of the time. only when it makes some common sense logistical error do i get taken out of it.
>>108184319>>108184376>Sounds like your issue isn't AI, but terrible communication and leadership skills.The entirety of AI growth is driven by the fact that our leadership has terrible communication and leadership skills.>Our workers are too expensive let's cut them for foreigners >Our foreigners work is too shitty, let's cut them for AI >Our AI requires the entire GDP and hardware output of humanity for multiple years, let's buy all hardware>Our hardware is too expensive, let's ???When the answer all along, the answer that every other country, especially ones we're supposed to be competing with like China and the EU, was just to pay our workers a fair wage for their output. Instead we've effectively sunk the largest empire in modern history in pursuit of saving their top 5 corporations maybe 5% on their quarterly balance sheets, of which don't matter if the money they trade in becomes useless. When guaranteeing their profit margins was never part of the deal to begin with.The problem is, in general, all of our leadership are massive fucking retards. We were sold a lie that richer people must be more intelligent when recent events have shown that it just means they're more susceptible to being blackmailed.
>>108179526>hax the AI>It's actually 17000 Indians againLOL
>>108184137>fixing them is many times more work than just re-writing the whole thing from scratch by handI think that's only true if the service is already live with existing data that must be kept and migrated.If the engineers are able to intervene before it starts being used, and are therefore free to change whatever needs to be changed without worrying about it, then I don't think it's as hard or as daunting as you're suggesting. (Particularly considering said engineers will probably be making heavy use of AI themselves.)
>>108178871Get over yourself. AI is the future. You are a Gatekeeping Luddite. Your JOB is to post the HARD WORK of people who are more productive than you (users of AI by defintion.) Face it. You are obsolete. Start getting with the program or get OUT OF THE WAY.
>>108184462You sound very antisemitic.
>>108183474The advent of generative AI has ruined many, many things and has offered virtually no benefit in exchange for that outside of massive surveillance infrastructure.
>>108178879There are less miserable ways to go
>>108181786Mass automation makes even capitalism incompatible
>>108178871Why do you care so much? It's just a job. It's work. Programming is not part of my identity, it's just something I do for money. If I can't make money programming I'll just do something else. I already have a decent net worth anywah.
>>108184164I'm really reading opinions on the topic from kids who are "learning OOP". No wonder this entire thread is so fucking retarded.
>>108178871the bubble will inevitably burst due to massive technical debtthe only way AI has made any genuine profit is by manipulating horny lonely neets with porn and chatbots
>>108188183forgot to change my name... i'm a retard.
