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is linux free because it sucks or does it suck because it is free?

>>108179810
posting on 4chan is only free if your time doesn't have value

>>108179825
4chan's a valuable use of my time.

>>108179840
so you get it

Someone forgot to post the new thread link in the previous thread, but there's been another thread for a few hours already, soz:
>>108179213
>>108179213
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>>108179796
I just installed Ubuntu 25.10 to try out linux. Using a browser to enable extensions to change the functionality of my desktop doesn't make any sense.

>>108180565
see>>108179810

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>>108180565
If you want Ubuntu to make sense then you should use Kubuntu, which is an official Ubuntu version with a Windows-style UI.

>>108180583
>old
>snap
>apt
>snap
>snap
>snap
just use fedora ffs

>>108180551
>GNUYFFNUYFFNUYFFNUYFFNUYFFNUYFFNUYFFNUYFFNUYFFNUYFFNUYFFNUYFFNUYFF
do freetards really?

>>108180583
How do I make the task bar (or panel would be a more correct term I suppose) at the bottom not jump out so it's detached from the bottom of the screen whenever a fullscreen app is not being displayed in KDE Plasma? Hate that shit.

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>>108179796
I've been forced to admit that foot is the best terminal and I've switched over, but now my terminal is called foot and it has a foot inside of a black box on it. Now I need to change the name and icon myself. What do I change it to?

Everyone seems to shit on CachyOS but I've tried it for a couple of days now and honestly seems nice. Breeziest setup of a rolling release distro I've seen so far and everything works, including latest nvidia drivers, without any user prep or post installation steps. One of the few distros that properly sets up automatic snapshots too if you choose btrfs. Gonna stay on it and see if it's nice long term.

>>108182628
Right click, change panel settings, disable floating

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>>108179796
Which idiot made this thread two hours after the already existing one was made?

>>108186130
It's for the LXQt user that can't post in the other thread

>>108186130
The other one has flamewar bait in the OP

>>108186130
You mean to tell me that someone creates early threads before bump limit just to farm outrage and idiots actually use those threads?!

>>108186113
>that filename
kwab

>>108182702
I've been using it for about 6 months now and I think the claimed performance improvements are probably a meme, but the default packages and configs are nice. It was 90% the way I like my arch setups right out of the box.

>>108189579
The performance improvements are a little bit dubious.
I don't know that setting up zram to use the equivalent of your system RAM along with swappiness set to 150 and priority set to 100 is the right tweak. But maybe it is. I'm no expert on this.
I saw that there was a bit of confusion with what patches are or not enabled on the default kernel, so it wasn't clear right away that they switched from BORE to EEVDF, but I'm not entirely sure that's going to heavily impact a lot of things either.
At least it is fairly modular where you have all of these fucking kernels and tweaks to try yourself even as an unexperienced user. I would still rather use cachyOS than arch because to me it seems like most of the negative of a distro like this is just the usual bloat rather than anything else. I've seen very few reports of things just not working well on it that worked well on something like Arch, all things considered.
I like that they have snapshots set up by default, but I haven't tried archinstall in a while, and apparently this can also be achieved in archinstall fairly easily, which is great if that's the case.

>>108182641
change it to cock

>>108188040
If you are using X11 you can make a script using xdotool. You could ask chatpajeet to implement a simple script for you. I have scripted window animations for bspwm and other stuff too with xdotool, it's pretty fantastic.
>save_window_positions.sh
>restore_window_positions.sh

>>108189579
>>108189740
Best part of CacheOS are the custom schedulers. Coincidentally you can use them with any recent kernel and Fedora has this
>https://github.com/CachyOS/copr-linux-cachyos
scx_lavd has been useful for some games but generally I don't use them unless something is problematic. Darktide was a problem for me, I could not get decent frame pacing without using a custom scheduler for some reason.

>>108189937
for some reason for me lavd did nothing but hurt, but I haven't used these much. Only really fucked with schedulers with cyberpunk to find out how to get rid of some input lag.

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I'm having an issue on gnome on arch linux where when i switch workspaces while I have team fortress 2 classified open it sometimes exits out of all the applications that aren't on my 1st workspace. Has anybody had a similer issue before?

>>108190029
I tried lavd with general computing, including llm and AI gens and it just made my mouse stutter from the slightest i/o load.
I think it is something what heavily prioritizes a single process and that's about it. It might work if your system is more cpu limited (mine is) but if you have a recent system with plenty of cores it does not make that much of a difference. I have 6 cores and it is getting old by now.
This is my speculation.

>>108190042
Yeah, I have a 5900x with a 9070xt. Not the best CPU for gaming but many cores I guess.

>>108190039
>exits out of all the applications that aren't on my 1st workspace
nevermind, it doesn't matter what workspace it's on, it exits out of discord, audacious, steam and the game, but leaves the terminal and firefox open.

>>108190050
>12 cores
That's more than enough for gayming.

>>108190091
Yeah but by he time I bought it there were all these CPUs with 3D cache that ran some games better than anything with a higher core count.
At the end of the day I'm fine with this one. And to be fair I haven't tried disabling SMT with some games, apparently that helps out.

>>108190106
Nu-games are a shit especially if you are playing UE5 stuff. You can't brute force shitty developers with hardware alone lol

>>108190116
Fair, some things are just unfuckable and full of bullshit scaling.

>>108189937
Schedulers are pretty finicky, just as some might improve performance for some things, it's just as likely the same one will cause a performance penalty for other things.

>>108189054
Yeah, that happens sometimes. I think it's because I clicked "Annotate" before saving it first.

For some reason when i alt tab tf2 keeps crashing all other xwayland apps on gnome for some reason. I'm losing my mind over this. Does anybody have a fix?

Installing gentoo and some package fails to emerge because it requires python3_12 and this stage3 archive has set PYTHON_TARGETS="python3_13" ... Is this common in gentoo, packages out of sync?

>>108185852
yeah i have no idea what this could be, it also feels like my problem is hyper specific cause everyone just uses wifi instead of a wired connection

>>108190972
Yes, it's common while Python packages aren't stabilises yet. Use testing (~amd64 keywords) if you want to use Python 3.13.
Also, you would have the same issue with Python 3.14 too (sadly not all packages have been updated yet).

However, Gentoo supports multiple versions of Python so this isn't an issue. You can just set:

PYTHON_TARGETS="python3_12 python_313"
PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python3_13"

In make.conf and then you add overrides in package.use to force python3_12 single target if you encounter anything that only supports a single Python implementation and hasn't been stabilised or updated yet.

>>108191117
For example, these are the overrides I need to build with Python3_13 for packages not updated to Python3_14 yet:
https://bpa.st/ZOTQ

Hopefully they fix this soon.

>>108191148
In make.conf I have:

PYTHON_TARGETS="python3_14"
PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python3_14"

Which forces python3_14 but those overrides override this.

>>108189579
I remember some guy testing a bunch of distros with games and showing charts and basically the outcome was: just use what you like, the differences are margin of error tier. For Cachy it did seem like it had slightly less frame drops even though average fps was the same as like fedora for example but it was minor.

But yea it's not the minimal performance gains I like, it's the overall package and ease of use.

>>108191117
Now it says it requires kernel 6.18 but the live image has 6.12, I'm giving up I'll try again some other day hoping it'll be more stable.

My elderly parents are scared of the whole win10 death situation because the media keeps telling them they should be scared and buy buy buy a new laptop with win11 but all they basically do is use Firefox on that thing. Was thinking of just putting Linux on it. Would Debian make sense? It should be as lightweight as possible because the laptop is old. Also not having any newbie distro style update nag is good. I can install updates from console when I visit sometimes. If you set pw to blank on a user can you log in without one? Never tried.

how much space is sufficient for an EFI partition on a windows 11 + cachy (arch) dual boot setup?

it was 100mb by default. the installer wants me to enlarge it to 4GB. seems a bit crazy no?

>>108190988
If you suspect its a driver issue always look to see if there is a linux generic and try that first. A good 6/10 times using the generic fixes whatever problem you are having.

>>108191360
>old people
>debian
I'd see how Mint works on that system because they most likely will need all the handholding they can get. My parents can't even hook up their computers to the printer anymore and they've had it over 10 years and literally nothing has changed but the OS they use.

>>108179796
Anyone have any knowledge about getting USB drivers for LCD panels to work for Debian 12?
I got this cheap little chinese LCD called a Beadapanel 5C I want to use as a status monitor for a server running on debian and have been trying to get a driver someone made for them to connect to some linux systems to work.

>>108191361
4GB seems excessive, 1GB would be enough but maybe they're just being cautious.

>>108190836
>>108190076
>>108190039
run steam through the terminal then after a crash to desktop, copy the last few lines of the terminal that was running steam and paste it to the AI of your choice to see if there are any errors that you can work with.

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It's a shame 32 bit support isn't in Debian anymore.

>>108191812
what happened to your N key man

Any way to disable a controller via script?

I use a controller to play a certain game, but there’s one activity in the game that is better done with KB+M. But while the controller is connected, KB+M is disabled in-game, and the only way to enable KB+M again is to physically disconnect the controller, which is kinda annoying. Turning off Steam Input does not enable KB+M again.

I tried looking it up and asking AI, but nothing has worked so far.

>>108191892
othig

>>108191741
I already did this and it told me to switch to x11 or play the game windowed borderless. I choose the sane option of switching back to fedora.

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I can use linux to get work done.

Here's my school project

>>108191903
xinput let's you disable devices easily but it's xorg only, no wayland. Every wayland compositor handles this differently, so you'll have to check the docs of whatever you're using if you're on wayland. I use sway so in this case its done through

swaymsg

, for example

I'd like to use an old laptop that has arch linux on it as a wireless bridge. So it would go
router Wifi --->laptop with 2 wifi adapters ----> my PC's wifi adapter
one laptop wifi adapter connects to the router's wifi and forwards using the 2nd wifi adapter

how difficult is it to set this up? I'd also settle for using ethernet
router Wifi --->laptop with 1 wifi adapter going to ethernet ----> my PC's ethernet connection

You can really tell that tons of people are moving to Linux now that these threads have been completely unusable for months now. Same entry level talking points over and over.

>>108192968
ikr, the threads should just consist of schizo rambling about pipewire being pentagon spyware and kde krashing in 2009

>>108191892
typed Nigger too often

what options do you use with reflector?
can it still rank "worldwide" mirrors? i dont se anything about it on the documentation

>>108193071
IIRC yes you can use "Worldwide" as a country in the --country switch.

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>>108192968
and that's a good thing, chud

It just werks.
It's so easy

what's a performance and reliable (as in can handle network interruptions, reboots) method for sharing directories over the internet? i'm thinking smb (samba) over wireguard
recently moved but i want the other people to continue to have access to media on my nas, i set up a server for them but it wouldn't make sense in this case to sync the files entirely (it's about 40T of media and both our internet connections are quite fast)

kde 6.6 showed up on the nixos github today. it's literally nothing other than a new display manager. why are trannies seething.

>>108193463
systemd dependency maybe

on a thinkpad t420 would xorg with tearfree enabled completely eliminate any tearing on dwm or should i just use wayland with a differnet wm?

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>trying to get ffmpegthumbnailer working in Fedora Silverblue
>this feels like hacky bullshit
>get to the end of the docs
>this is hacky bullshit btw
lol
At least it worked.

>>108193507
It only "requires" systemd for Plasma Login Manager. You can literally use any other login manager (sddm, for instance) which DOESN'T require systemd and run KDE on a non-systemd system.

>>108193667
systemd is a sensitive topic for some

trigger warning: systemd

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>>108179796
Should i switch from windows 10 LTSC iot if i have an amd cpu and gpu?

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>>108193700
hmmm. i don't know guys, should we really be letting all these frogs just install linux on their computers? should we start gatekeeping linux?

no... no you should keep using microslop

>>108191361
4gb is very extra. Like other anon says, 1gb should be good. If Cachy is like Arch it deletes old boot images on upgrade so you should never hit 1gb. I have 512mb on a system that doesn't clear them automatically and it took months to fill up.

I have a git repo stored on my server, but it's down right now. I have branches split by device (desktop & laptop), what's the best method to get my updates (desktop) to my laptop branch?
Ideally without replacing, ruining or duplicating my git.

>>108193801
a usb stick unless you want to enable ssh on one of those devices and use it as a new git remote

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>>108179796
I'm trying to go through an argument over vsftpd vs sftp over which is more secure, and I'm having trouble rationalizing it. vsftp is a service separate from ssh which can define its own port, but with hosting, most idiots are going to try port 20, which I'm running ssh anyways, which I only want local access to. So I'm leaning towards using sftp which uses ssh, but removing password-based login and making only one user able to use sftp and putting them in chroot jail. But I'm dumb and don't know what is best here.

>>108193818
I already use ssh, I can just use the directory on my desktop as the remote? On my server I use bare repos, I was under the impression it was necessary.

>>108179796
can some one explain to me why when i try and use arch that my xp 24 pro just doesnt respond after a couple minutes ive tried OTD ive tried the xp-pen drivers and it all does the same thing i even tried x11 and wayland im at a lost

>>108191361
>>108193774
cachy sets up snapshots by default, and auto creates them while using pacman. it will keep old kernels around as long as any snapshots use them. with a default 50 snapshots limit on btrfs, that's potentially a lot of kernels. 4gb isn't that crazy.
I have it set to 2gb and have 1.3gb used with 50 snapshots. nvidia also makes them larger I think.

>>108193863
if you are strictly fetching for a temporary loss of your actual report then it doesnt matter. Anything more complicated you should have a separate bare repository for, even if it's on your own system

>>108179810
Are frogposters DUMB because they are frogs, or are they frogs because they are dumb?

>>108193863
Nothing stops you. You can do git remote add laptop user@laptop:repo_path and then fetch from it.
Don't push to a non-bare repo however. You should be fine to fetch and merge or even rebase onto whichever one is more up to date, but it's better to pull than push.

>>108193949
>>108193979
Nice, guess I'll just do that then. Thanks bros.

I seem to have an insane race condition with both sddm and plasmalogin where auto-login non-deterministically fails because the helper binary crashes for some inscrutable reason. Is it possible to just... bypass the greeter and boot directly to the desktop?
If I can't I'm going to make my password shorter.

>>108194332
in kde settings the option to auto log in your user is in colors & themes for some reason there is an sddm section and you click on the behavior button there

>>108194386
No that's the thing, autologin is enabled, it just doesn't always work, and inspecting the journalctl reveals the sddm-helper process had an internal error and crashed for an unknown reason.

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How do I defragment a FAT32 USB on Linux? I need to do this for my PS2 since an app I use (DKWDRV) doesn't accept fragmented USBs.

>>108194430
There isn't a native way to. You might as well just create a HirenBootCD USB and use that to access a Windows live environment and defrag that FAT32 USB within it.

>>108194430
from a forum post in 2018:
>the only way to "natively" defragment a FAT32 drive on Linux is to manually copy all the files off the drive, format it, and move all the files back onto the drive in one big move.

Still true today btw

>>108194332
>>108194386
>>108194397
IT WAS FUCKING GNOME
I GOT GNOMED DESPITE BEING ON KDE
gnome-keyring was installed by default on Fedora 37 KDE back in 2023 when I set this system up.
Guess who never removed it even though kwallet is installed by default? This guy.

>>108194451
>>108194479
Are you fucking niggering me. Linux has fallen.

usecase for full disk encryption + secure boot + tpm enabled on linux on a desktop?

>>108194498
Linux has NEVER supported defragging FAT32, not even back in the pre-1.0 days

>>108194479
This. It's probably the easiest option you have.

>>108194498
fat32 isn't a native linux filesystem. there are tools to measure fragmentation, defrag, and create immutable/contiguous files directly on ext# and other linux filesystems, but fat32 is only there for compatibility with other systems

>>108194502
>fde
keep your data secure. its also a standard default feature on all mainstream devices now so its not just some weirdo thing.
>secure boot
prevents rootkits
>tpm
not really sure, I think its main use is measured boot

Hey anons, i need some help with Nvidia and Vulkan stuff on arch
My card uses the 580 drivers from the aur, but when i use "vulkaninfo | grep "Vulkan API" in the terminal, nothing comes up...

but if i do "pacman -Qs vulkan", i do have them installed:
lib32-nvidia-580xx-utils
lib32-vulkan-icd-loader
lib32-vulkan-intel
lib32-vulkan-mesa-implicit-layers
lib32-vulkan-radeon
nvidia-580xx-utils
qt6-shadertools
spirv-tools
vulkan-headers
vulkan-icd-loader
vulkan-intel
vulkan-mesa-implicit-layers
vulkan-radeon
vulkan-tools

Except i had some games, for example Diablo 2, busting my ass because of missing Vulkan or something.

Installing nvidia drivers on Fedora seems really annoying with the secure boot thing. I don't have nvidia hardware, I just looked at it out of curiosity.

>>108194502
>full disk encryption
Fucks up your performance. It's not needed unless you live in an area where people are breaking into homes just to steal your PC or laptop.
>secure boot
Prevents persistent malware. It's actually useful.
>tpm
This is necessary for a proper secure boot implementation. It's unlikely that you don't have it.

>>108194557
Yeah I just disabled Placebo Boot

>>108194557
secure boot is frankly a meme

I am indifferent to secure boot, enabled, disabled, it can exist as long as I live

>>108194550
>grep "Vulkan API"
I don't see any results that'd match that string, assuming that's exactly what you've used

>>108194569
>This is necessary for a proper secure boot implementation. It's unlikely that you don't have it.
Is it necessary outside of Windows though?
I thought if you didn't use FDE on linux there wasn't much of a point to it.

>>108194700
It's better to have it than not. Most Linux distros having significantly worse security standards than Windows is beside the point.

>>108194703
>>108194700
Most posters are retards. S.B. exists so Windows can have an extra layer for signed device drivers.
Little Timmy who plays online multiplayer needs his kernel level anti cheat but if you are seriously talking about "security" you shouldn't own a computer.

>>108194703
No look, I'm not denying that, I'm a bit retarded on this subject. I'm just asking something more along the lines of "what does it even currently do". Or more like, does it even work until you do something specific (I mean other than enabling secure boot)

>>108194557
Doesn't take long unless you want to read up what you're doing. The most time consuming parts were downloading the packages and waiting for the module to be built.

>>108194703
Yeap, that's why almost all servers in the world running GNU/Linux.

>>108194738
1. Servers are not running arbitrary software a desktop would.
2. They barely have 5% of packages found on an average Linux desktop.
3. They're handled by at least semi-competent system administrators instead of random Timmies and Karens.
The attack surface on servers is infinitely smaller. The main reason why servers are using Linux is because it's much cheaper and easier to use it as a server compared to Windows.

>updated the system
>Dolphin is now a sloggy blocky stuttering mess
very nice

I'm trying to install Stoat on my Nobara system (43), but I've never installed from a .zip before. How do I actually do that?
I saw a post saying to move the files to /applications, but I can't find that locations anywhere in my system
Yes, I am a total noob with this shit

>>108194966
Unzip and then learn to read, it's not that hard.

>>108194988
there's no readme included

>>108194996
You can put it wherever you want. You can create an Applications folder in your home folder and put it there if you want.
Double click stoat-desktop and it should ask you if you want to actually run it as an executable if you're using KDE plasma. Just tick that and open it.

>>108194966
Post the Zip contents. Zip seems weird, would expect a Tar archive as Tar keeps executable flags.
Is that thing supposed to be an executable application even?
>>108194520
Irrelevant. FAT32 is open source and extremely primitive so it's super weird to not have proper Linux support.
>>108194502
>full disk encryption + secure boot
Against so called evil maid attacks, extremely paranoid setup IMO.
>TPM
TPM is a security device such as the chip in your SIM- or credit card. Practical use cases involve drive encryption in a way it can't be decrypted anywhere else as the keys are inside a separate chip.
>>108193774
>>108191361
And I thought 1GB EFI was huge.

>>108195252
evil maid is kind of a meme, secure boot also theoretically prevents firmware-level malware, or so ive read

>>108193901
anyone?

I am an EndeavorOS user and have been using it on and off on a laptop for over a month. Since the beginning of February, I have been using the laptop daily while away from my main desktop. I am experiencing a persistent issue with my Bluetooth headphones, which I suspect may be related to the sound server (PulseAudio).

The catch is that its very important that I do not switch my audio server, as I cannot afford significant troubleshooting due to work commitments and my need for a reliable microphone and internal speaker functionality. Any suggestions on how to resolve this issue would be greatly appreciated. I am able to connect via Bluetooth to my phone without a problem, but it would be nice to connect to my laptop.

>>108195500
Bluetooth issues have to be one of the most frequent issues in these threads.
(can't help you as I only use wired electronics)

>>108195500
first of all, a big arch repo updater fucked up his signature and a dozen important packages caused problems
second, i keep reading that many arch users that updated around mid February had lots of issues with services and performance

>>108195545
Well shit, no worries.
>>108195568
I'm noticing some issues that are a little inconvenient, (i.e., random GUI glitches and bugs under heavy load), but it only happens occasionally.

>>108195568
debian gods are laughing...

coupla threads ago I complained (as a new linux user) that gThumb didn't display webm when using wayland (and no proposed solution to make it run in x11 mode worked). I'll amend that to: it works if you deactivate hardware accel for videos. No I don't like gwenview, it's way slower.

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>archlinux-keyring: local (20260206-1) is newer than core (20260107-2.0)
Why is this happening and how to fix it?

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>black myth wukong benchmark on nobara with proton
2-5 fps
>black myth wukong benchmark on windows 11 education N
90

>>108195827
memetracing benchmarks

>>108191317
I'm not sure what you did but it probably just wanted the sources in /usr/src

It's weird how the binary distribution kernel is stable on 6.18 but the sources is only stable on 6.12:
https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/sys-kernel/gentoo-kernel
https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/sys-kernel/gentoo-sources

I don't know why they're out of lockstep like that given the binary kernel builds from the same sources they should stabilise them at the same time. That's weird.

>>108195500
>>108195545
Commonly a kernel issue. Hope Arch/Endeavour/Cachy didn't updoot to 6.19 yet.
>>108195263
>secure boot also theoretically prevents firmware-level malware, or so ive read
Right. Having secure boot on means some rando software can't replace your EFI executables as they don't have keys to sign it.

>>108194502
>full disk encryption
Moderately useful depending on where you live and what lengths state actors will go to to fuck you
>secure boot
treacherous computing, its existence is a net negative
>tpm
see secure boot

>>108195781

pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su

>>108195910
It was the sys-fs/zfs and its kmod package which required a different kernel version yesterday. I'll try this evening again.

ls girlfriend

>>108195500
If you use KDE try: sudo pkill kdeconnect
Might fix it, kdeconnect is bugged as shit for some systems right now and it's taking them forever to fix it.

>>108180588
>fedora
And then you have to deal with rpmfusion
>but just go to their website and-
Shouldn't have to do it in the first place.

>>108191361
It depends on if your bootloader is grub or not since grub doesnt require putting much on the efi partition while every other bootloader basically requires you to put the kernels on it which can reach up to 1gb

>>108191812
I have an old eepc like this and its just too slow to run anything other than the desktop.

>>108193523
You don't really need the tearfree setting just using picom or xcompmgr was enough to remove tearing in my experience

>>108196142
Rpmfusion is a disgrace. Been 2+ months and still no updates on new nvidia drivers. Maybe I should work for them, I would whip them up to shape pretty fast

>>108196007
Ah, that makes sense. Latest ZFS should support 6.18 I use that on my home server.
You may want to add unstable keywords for some packages like ZFS, etc, to get the latest version.

There's still no 6.19 support though. That will come in the next release I guess.

https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/releases

>>108196184
Idk what the holdup is. Maybe it's because the 590 driver drops support for Maxwell and Pascal cards? There's an akmod-nvidia-580xx package in the RPMFusion Rawhide repo because of this, but it still hasn't been pushed to the 43 repo.

Why does KDE not want to let me log in to my computer sometimes

>>108196231
I doubt that's KDE's fault unless you're using Plasma Login Manager and even then it's still probably not their fault, probably some PAM issue that locked you out of your account for putting your password in wrong too many times, etc.

>>108196210
I'll take a look. If it's not 580.119.x I'll install that one then..

I've been trying a few of the general distro recommendations for a couple of months but largely ignoring bazzite as it was fairly divisive. But I decided to go for it anyways to see what's going on with these so cool out of the box atomic distros.
>Looks fairly polished out of the box
>Check ujust commands, surely these tweaks all work fine
>I'll pick this faggoty thing that rices up your terminal, whatever
>Now up arrow is a whole different thing, I type a command and it doesn't show up in history, this Atuin thing just replaced the history
>Everytime I open up a terminal, first command gets ignored in history
>Google that shit, fixed but closed but not really fixed on bazzite specifically
https://github.com/ublue-os/packages/issues/810
>Apparently on bazzite it's not loading something it installed anyways (starship) but the order is wrong
>Can't poke holes around system files (/usr/share) so I have to copy files over elsewhere I guess
>Got this starship thing to work by just adding a line or two, but the problem remains
See, this is why I cannot call it a retard proof distro. This is not like installing a specific package through rpm-ostree, this is like one of the 24 out of the box tweaks you can find when you open up a terminal and type a command that's recommended to you. Some of these tweaks are absurdly simple shit like adding a system wide environment variable. I would expect these things to just work.

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Why the fuck do I need gcc14 in my system?
How to find what package installed it?

I'm on Fedora with the mesa freeworld drivers and trying to build SDL3 which needs some development packages. The development packages are trying to replace all the freeworld drivers with their standard versions and there's no freeworld equivalent development packages, and they haven't been installed as far as I can tell

does this mean I am just screwed without swapping out the entire driver package?

>>108196326
Pretty much.
With both Fedora and openSUSE you can get fucked by their respective big third party repos. Usually the suggestion with these is either stop updating frequently so you have less sync issues, or install as few packages from those as possible if any, and rely on flatpaks instead.
Arch/Debian are a bit more headache free when it comes to these things.

>>108196246
Distros should really stray far away from modifying the shell. I hate it when a distro decides to rice that for you with all sorts of crap you may or may not want.

Stick to simple things like changing the colour of the Bash prompt.

>>108196311
Something like:

pacman -Qq | xargs -r -I{} -P$(nproc) /bin/sh -c 'pacman -Qi {} | grep -q -F gcc14 && echo {}'

Then run

pacman -Qi

on the packages it lists to check yourself since this will list any mention of gcc14 including harmless things like "Required By : gcc14"

>>108196350
Yeah I disabled the rice for the time being.
More than anything in regards to the shell I'm just concerned about how a distro that's supposed to be so bulletproof for people who can't even do half of what I did to get it to half work (which is not a whole lot, I'm not experienced either) is providing things so half assedly.
I got Aurora as a recommendation instead of Bazzite, but the one application I want not as a flatpak won't install because of libXcursor cockblocking it deep in there (and that's after a lot of overrides).
https://github.com/ublue-os/bluefin/issues/1258

Man these distros don't play nicely even inside the bubble.

>>108196348
Ugh
Thanks anon

>>108196246
Bazzite is a meme forced by one anon just use any regular kde distro.

>>108196376
To be fair to them, it's not uncommon for a distro to try to fix one bug (in SDDM) and then break something else (Steam) in the process.

The "user-friendly" distros will do this shit all of the time. Whereas the less user-friendly distros ironically don't then have that problem as they don't try and fix shit and just leave it be broken until upstream fixes it or the user works around it themselves.

Running Steam in distrobox is a fine workaround though. I think that should work fine as long as you have all of the udev rules on your host to change the permissions so things like controllers can be accessed in the container.

I run Steam myself in an Arch chroot using Bubblewrap (Distrobox would probably work too but I already set this all up manually myself) and don't have any issues with controllers.

I'm not running Bazzite or Aurora, etc, though, so have no idea how they do things with Udev.

>>108196376
>how a distro that's supposed to be so bulletproof for people who can't even do half of what I did to get it to half work (which is not a whole lot, I'm not experienced either) is providing things so half assedly.
Because these distros aren't actually used by anyone and only exist for devs to stroke their egos with.

>>108196246
>fucking around with /usr/share
>done by retards
You're doing things a retard wouldn't. Your average normie would never stray away from the flatpaks they see in Bazaar, the appimages they get in their web browser and games they install in Steam and the other 3rd party WINE GUI they give you in Bazzite (Lutris/Faugus).

>>108196376
>Steam
You can use the Flatpak version of Steam. That's probably what a random user would install on these distros. It's used by over 6% of Linux users, so it can't be that bad. I mean, if it's more popular than every distro that isn't Arch, Ubuntu, Mint, Cachy or Bazzite then any issues it potentially has due to sandboxing must not be that important (like the HDR issue mentioned there).
Or use Distrobox. It comes pre-installed on these distros. Honestly that's what I'd probably use outside of Debian distros considering Steam only officially provides the .deb package.

>>108196447
You can say this about almost any piece of software ever made.

>>108196447
don't be overly dramatic.
the reality is that there's millions of different hardware configurations and different software to take into consideration. ymmv.

>>108196651
this. the only issue I ever had on bazzite was the terminal spitting out garbage when you open it or when you try tabbing to complete a command. but that was fixed a year ago.

>>108194808
The main target to attack is servers. How you can attack desktop without physical access? They exist in local network, so you couldn't get it. The only way is hope, that person will install malicious software by himself, but the chance of this is little, because there are repositories with trusted software.

Yeap, For Microsoft is cheaper to use Linux on their servers, maybe license too expensive :-D

>>108196737
>>Yeap, For Microsoft is cheaper to use Linux on their servers, maybe license too expensive :-D
It is because they own Azure and Azure runs on Linux. They tried to make Windows work but couldn't. If you are running Windows on top of Azure today then all of that is running on top of a Linux hypervisor underneath the hood.

It wasn't a licensing issue, but a technical issue. They literally could not get the Windows crap to do what they needed it to do so they built on top of Linux instead and now it's just easier for them to keep using Linux.

Windows Server is dead outside of enterprises that use it as a domain controller.

>>108196774
I completely agree with you, You can check the history of dialogue, anon asserted the windows is more secure then GNU/Linux and the only reason, why people use on servers it because it's cheaper. For me it sounds funny.

>>108196130
I do, and I just tried this. Seems to be resolved for the moment being. Fingers crossed this is it.

>>108196651
The same thing can be applied to every other distro but somehow its ok when bazzite and other immutable shit does it.

I am very confused about the whole 32-bit deprecation on Linux. Does does 32-bit libraries and programs work on Linux vs Windows? Why do distros dropping 32-bit support is a big dead? Isn't there already a translation layer to AMD64? In the WINE side, does WOW64 works with 32-bit software or only 16-bit?

>>108196887
If it isn't a secret, for what you need 32-bit Linux?

>>108196887
It's not about the software, is about the hardware. No 32-bit means no linux on ancient hardware and some people care about that.

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>>108196859
And it's back to shitting itself again. Welp....

>>108196887
They're just trying to drop having to need 32bit libraries installed and instead have wine emulate the 32bit libraries for the programs needing 32bit libraries.
>Isn't there already a translation layer to AMD64?
64bit can run 32bit libraries and programs, but 32bit can't run 64bit libraries and programs.
>>108196917
I like that some hardware stuck on 32bit can still run modern linux but at a certain point 32bit hardware is just too slow to run any modern program on linux in the first place.

>>108197003
Like I said, some people care about that.

>get vr to run wirelessly on cuckerberg machine
>start Alyx
>kind of work
>suddenly only one of the 2 screens starts outputting multicolored snow at 3000hz
>have seizure
thanks you linux

>>108196638
>Your average normie would never stray away from the flatpaks they see in Bazaar, the appimages they get in their web browser and games they install in Steam and the other 3rd party WINE GUI they give you in Bazzite (Lutris/Faugus).
Your average normie wants shit to work.
If they have problems with a flatpak, which can be the case, they'll look for alternatives.
If they just open up the terminal once, they get this. If they have fairly common problems (they want to I don't know, use FSR4, install Davinci resolve) they're going to reach this list of tweaks and easy commands faster than any alternative on these ublue distros. If they apply one of the again, very few tweaks that are actually there, set up specifically for this distro, they're going to have to troubleshoot it once enabled.

>>108196651
The original issue has precisely nothing to do with anything other than how bazzite sets something up. It's not hardware dependent or user error here. It's a problem with software being shipped and the configuration applied by a script provided by bazzite. You can have this problem on a Steam deck, on your PC, an old laptop.

>>108197059
>THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND/OR OTHER PARTIES PROVIDE THE PROGRAM “AS IS” WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED
you're welcome.

>>108197059
lol
lmao
haha

>>108196199
It was my bad, it was a fucking "used > instead of >>" mistake on my end. Fuck.

>>108197059
You're fault for using the Cuckerberg. Should have waited for the Steam Frame running SteamOS. Admittedly, who knows when that will even come out given the present RAM crisis.

>>108197495
All VR is cursed on linux. I think Quest 3 gets better support in practice than valve headsets. SteamVR is a mess and not usable at all.
desu for any serious use it would be much easier to boot into windows for it, but I might try seeing how badly my old vive works with Monado or whatever. What I see looks more like the state of linux gaming in 2010 though so I'm not expecting much.

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Is there a trusted offering of virtualbox .vdis?

>>108196311

apt why <package>

>>108197570
Hence why I said you should have waited. I doubt Valve is going to release their SteamOS powered Steam Frame in such a bad state because that will seriously damage all of the good will they've built up.

You need good software support for VR to work right and only Valve can deliver that because they are only companies targeting Linux first hardware devices that will run Linux, even if most people will just be using it as a display to stream from their Windows PC.

>>108196737
>How you can attack desktop without physical access?
By exploiting a network-connected application such as a web browser or a communication client? By tricking the user into running a malicious executable or script? By the user running arbitrary code from a "trusted" platform?

Servers have an infinitely smaller attack surface and much more rigorous checks of what is being executed on them. But your grandma or grandson will click that "Download" button or open a sketchy porn site and get absolutely fucked.

And that's exactly what Windows does better than Linux. It has much better exploit mitigations and sandboxing by default.
If there ever is "year of the Linux desktop" and most Linux users download .appimage/.deb/.rpm/.sh/.flatpakref just like Windows users download .exes you'll see that something like Arch or Debian is nowhere near as secure as Windows. Windows 10/11 actually assumes people are completely retarded and will run random binaries, so it tries minimizing the damage.

So I stand by my claim. Windows is, by default and on most people's computers, more secure than an average Linux distro is.

>>108196823
But that is true. The reason why Linux got popular is because it was free to use, distribute and modify. And only because of that did the tooling and ecosystem around it get better than Windows Server.
If you're running a Windows server you need to pay a license for each Windows instance and each sub-service you add to Azure. With Linux all you need is a single VPS running a kubernetes cluster and it will run anything you throw at it.

But the claim that "Linux is used on servers because it's more secure than Windows" is complete nonsense. Server owners will gladly use a slightly less secure OS if it means it saves them money (either through license fees or through compute efficiency).

Either way the original discussion was only related to desktops. The server argument is a complete tangent and entirely irrelevant to the discussion.

>>108197597
>Servers have an infinitely smaller attack surface and much more rigorous checks of what is being executed on them. But your grandma or grandson will click that "Download" button or open a sketchy porn site and get absolutely fucked.
>
>And that's exactly what Windows does better than Linux.
Linux doesn't even set the executable bit by default for executables that you download. Windows does.

So how exactly is Grandma going to figure out how to

chmod +x malware.sh

before she pwns herself? She's not opening the terminal to do that that's for sure.

>>108196942
If it seemed to work for a bit did you make sure kdeconnect didn't just re-enable itself? Try "pacman -R kdeconnect" to remove it.

>>108194569
>Prevents persistent malware
It does not prevent windows, it doesn't seem to work that well.

>>108197616
And yes, your point about .deb and .rpm files is a good one but Windows doesn't prevent that too. If I give you a malicious .msi file to install then you're getting fucked all the same.

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>>108197406
Ok so now I have gentoo installed with root ZFS on top of LUKS and I wonder why zpool.cache is empty

>>108197690
I think that's normal because the pool gets imported fresh each time. You should have probably have used the native ZFS encryption instead of LUKS but I done know how well that works on Gentoo.

>>108197711
Ah, never mind:
> Warning
Native encryption is not recommended as it currently isn't being maintained upstream, see https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/issues/12014 https://github.com/openzfs/openzfs-docs/issues/494 . Please use LUKS instead.

So what was the point of them adding it then?

>>108197495
Well I'll let you know I had a Vive first gen ah !
But yeah, the cuckerberg machine is kind of great for "daily" VR like beat saber and minigolf.

I still don't understand why after a week on CachyOS I had to install programs using: Octopi, flatpack (and had to install the flatpack thing itself), AppImage (?) and even had to compile 1 program.
Can't you guys get your shit together and use one, maybe 2 at most, package manager ?
(I do love everything else tho, hope I can contribute one day).

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>>108197857
>Can't you guys get your shit together and use one, maybe 2 at most, package manager
No.

>>108197857
Skill issue, everything is on pacman or AUR.

>>108197748
Yeah I don't have courage to use the native encryption with warnings like that.

>>108197857
What were you using that wasn't in the AUR? You should become a package maintainer and add it to the AUR for others.

>>108197595
>doubt Valve is going to release their SteamOS powered Steam Frame in such a bad state
Of course it will work standalone, but just because it runs on linux itself, doesn't mean it will be designed to steam from a linux desktop machine. Maybe that will be Windows only. If not explicitly, the de facto way it is now, where the linux implementation is neglected and runs like shit. If they were really planning to improve SteamVR, you'd think they would at least use this time to beta test the improvements, no?

There's no real flagship implementation to fail that would embarass them, the steam deck and box are both too weak to drive the Frame.

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How to compile a package on more powerful PC and then transfer it to another PC to install it?
Both PCs are running arch.
I want to compile chromium, and it's been like 4 hours and I can't tell if the thing crashed or it's still compiling.
The CPU is still at 100% though.

>>108197909
It won't be Windows only because they will want it to work with their Linux Steam Machine. Already you can stream from Linux to other devices via Steam Link, it's just a matter of polishing it and making it better.

Is there something like ShareX for Linux? Flameshot is close but what I really want is the magnifying glass and being able to move my cursor pixel by pixel with the arrow keys.

>>108197920
>Yellow fever

>The CPU is still at 100% though.
Then it didn't crash. You can attach strace to it and see that it's still doing shit if you really wanted to. Chromium is just huge mega bloat that not even this cute asian girl could handle. It will take a while.

>>108197894
>>108197890
okay you guys need to do a better job at explaining those shit.
I installed cachyOS, I have octopi (even then, glad I knew what octopi was before I installed, otherwise I would never had found it) and most of the interactions from the start menu to install apps are broken.
I have literally no idea how to launch AUR ? octopi doesn't have qview which I installed by downloading it and running flatpack which I had to install. OpenRgb & Via apparently I installer with the AppImage, not sure why I didn't use octopi...

>>108197857
Yes, the official repositories are small if that's what you are saying.
>>108197890
Yeah right.

>>108197943
Also wivrn which isn't in octopi

>>108197920
No one compiles the browsers because it takes fucking ages. It's one of the slowest things to compile out there.

>>108197943
What do you mean we have to explain anything? It's all there in the wiki, you gotta do a better job at reading.

>>108197943
It's in the AUR:
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages?K=qview

If Octopi doesn't work then just open a terminal emulator and use Paru or Yay.

You'd have to install paru first though if you don't have it:

git clone https://aur.archlinux.org/paru.git
cd paru
makepkg -si

Then just:

paru qview

Or whatever else you want.

>>108197964
Firefox isn't so bad on my 5950X:

$ qlop -aH www-client/firefox
www-client/firefox: 1 hour, 7 minutes, 36 seconds average for 1284 merges

Chromium is just insanely bloated.

>>108197939
>>108197964
I know, but I have slightly better CPU on my other machine, but I need chromium on my laptop which has first gen core i5.
So is there a way to compile it and transfer it?
>>108197999
Yeah, even on this old CPU, Firefox takes around ~2 hours.

>>108197989
Okay, seems like paru is already installed in cachyOS, but still, idk just put up a link in the start menu or something.
Like, I'm not saying "hurr durr fix this", I'm just saying if I, an experienced dev, have to fucking google "how to install flatpack, how to install appimage" and paru doesn't show up, and it's not in octopi, then something is broken right ?
Like you can dismiss this statement by saying "just read the wiki" or whatever, but I do read a bunch of wikis, it's all I've been doing for the past week... But then why the fuck does double-clicking a .flatpakref opens fucking Kate ?
Just saying it's not that obvious and a single centralized (okay maybe 2 tops) application would help. why isn't paru mentionned when I open https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/qview ? Like there isn't a fucking button saying "here's how to install it" or "download".
Anyway, I know you guys are going to dismiss me as a retard, I swear I'm not and I put in the efforts, which is why so far I got everything working, I'm just saying, it could be simpler ?

>>108198069
>But then why the fuck does double-clicking a .flatpakref opens fucking Kate ?
Because Flatpak refs are text files so the mime opener thing is going "I've got this! Kate knows how to open it!!!".

You would not a graphical manager like Discover installed and associated with it.
CachyOS has a bunch of little issues like this because even though it's easy to install it's still somewhat aimed at advanced users.

>>108197943
The cachyOS repo has yay in it which I like to use for both normal packages and AUR.
But, keep in mind the reason that AUR isn't turned on by default. It's basically just instructions that randos shared for building/installing software. The more AUR stuff you rely on, the longer your updates will take, and the more likely things will break. It's fine if you use it judiciously but it shouldn't be the first place you look. If there's no Arch package I prefer to start with whatever the project officially offers, appimage or flatpak or w/e

>>108198069
Yeah this is a weakness in Cachy in general, probably of all Arch spinoffs. Because they hide the install process from you, you won't be familiar with how packages work and stuff. KDE's Discover (the thing that offers you packages on the start menu) is also broken on Arch I think. Archfags tend to just use the cli and not worry about it.

>>108198053
>So is there a way to compile it and transfer it?
Assuming you're also on Gentoo you just make a binhost:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Binary_package_guide

You could also just add the Gentoo binhost and use their Chromium binary to save you the trouble of compiling it yourself:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Gentoo_Binary_Host_Quickstart

>>108198104
>Discover (the thing that offers you packages on the start menu) is also broken on Arch I think. Archfags tend to just use the cli and not worry about it.
It's fine for Flatpaks just don't use the Pacman Packagekit plugin.

>>108194490

This is why you don't install meme distros that aren't at least 6yo (with another 2 years ranking in Distrowatch's top 30 if it's a distro aimed at beginners).

>>108194490
That may have been before KWallet supported SecretService properly so some apps needed gnome-keyring installed to function.

I bet you are probably the first person to encounter this.

>>108198174
The Distro Watch ranking is a bit misleading though.
>MX Linux
MX WHO!?

I installed Tumbleweed on a dual-GPU with two monitors lmao
This is gonna be my home for a long while.
This feels weird honestly.
Also the monitors are different refresh rates and resolutions and it works fine on Plasma X11 in case anyone's wondering
Other than installing software, setting up Wine and Snapper, and doing other transfer and settling in-things, anything I should be really aware of?
I know Tumbleweed has their own repos and all that as well I am mentally prepared to struggle

I'm really confused about what Hyprland is exactly because the Github repo says it's a compositor but some distros like CachyOS have it as one of the DE options. I thought compositor was just something you put on top of a desktop environment to change how the windows are rendered and such. For example I installed picom on Xfce before to get better tear free experience on Nvidia but it was still Xfce, didn't magically make my DE into picom.

>>108198200
we needed the half cousin of devuan

>>108198301
In wayland, DE or WM both are just compositors.

>>108198340
I see. Maybe I should just try it.

>>108197989
How do I install it without an AUR helper? Just with the pkgbuild

>>108198408
Same as above just clone the repo for qview instead.

You may want to read more about how package management works in Arch:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Makepkg
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_build_system

Any anons here ever try to use freebsd as a daily driver? If so what were the pros/cons and notable differences compared to linux?

>>108197616
>Linux doesn't even set the executable bit by default for executables that you download. Windows does.
>So how exactly is Grandma going to figure out how to chmod +x malware.sh before she pwns herself?
It's not 2005 anymore, chmod is not necessary. You can double click any installer, script or executable on Linux and run it without having to explicitly flag it as executable. KDE Plasma (or Dolphin) behaves like this by default. The only thing protecting you is a single pop up asking you "do you trust this file", which everyone will just ignore.

>>108197671
>And yes, your point about .deb and .rpm files is a good one but Windows doesn't prevent that too. If I give you a malicious .msi file to install then you're getting fucked all the same.
That usually won't happen. Defender constantly runs in background and blocks execution of known malware and files containing known malicious patterns.
And even if your .msi file fucks me up, the file or at least it's signatures will be uploaded to Microsoft servers. Then the next time a Defender update is pushed out every single Windows PC will become immune to your .msi file.

>>108198625
>The only thing protecting you is a single pop up asking you "do you trust this file"
Nothing wrong with that, you get what you asked for. I'm sick of using software with the equivalent of toddler safety locks on it.
There's something to be said for ergonomics, for example Windows was retarded when it hid file extensions and let people get fooled by porn.mp4.exe. But if you insist on running malware then take the L.

>>108198069
>But then why the fuck does double-clicking a .flatpakref opens fucking Kate ?
Sounds like your distro hasn't configured file associations properly. Double clicking a flatpak ref should open your software center where you'll be shown an install button.

>>108198174
Distrowatch is completely irrelevant as a source of distribution popularity. Mageia was in the top 10 most popular distros there for multiple years. I don't think I've ever heard anyone mention it let alone use it. MX Linux was in the top spot for multiple years and almost nobody is using that distro.
Also Distrowatch users are boomers who are completely detached from reality. In one of their polls 25% of those retards voted for PCLinuxOS as "the best distro for beginners". Imagine thinking that is a good idea.

>>108198625
>The only thing protecting you is a single pop up asking you "do you trust this file", which everyone will just ignore.
The same for Windows not-so-Smart-Screen. You get a popup saying "Blah blah blah. Unknown publisher. Blah blah blah. This is dangerous" and then click through it anyway.

I agree with >>108198695 there's only so much you can do. If people insist on running malware anyway then you can't stop them.

>install debian without desktop environment
>install lxde-core --no-install-recommends
>no display manager, no xserver

Last time I mess around with no-install-recommends. Also for some reason they put Mousepad instead of L3afpad in the main desktop environment package.

What distro is best to run on a 20 year old laptop whose only purpose is to play Solitaire and open a text editor? Preferably something Debian-based.

>>108198919
Debian 13 if 64 bit. Debian 12 otherwise. Devuan also if systemd is too much bloat.

>>108198897
install xorg separately
>sudo apt install xorg --no-install-recommends

>>108198919
openbsd with dwm, unironically

>>108198897
>specify --no-install-recommends
>doesn't install recommends
I honestly don't know what you were expecting.

Also why are you using the abandoned LXDE instead of LXQt?

>>108199074
I think I did that in the end but a DE should bring in a xorg as a dependency.

>>108199205
LXQt just kicks me back to the login screen after logging in on my old Thinkpad X60. LXDE uses less memory. Am on Debian 13 by the way.

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is it better to install steam from flatpak? or should i download the .deb from their site? also does anyone use their flat is it preferable/better?

>>108198615
>asks about FreeBSD in /fgLINUXt/
I'll give you my take anyway.

It's nice that it exists if you're a company like Sony or Nintendo or Netflix to base your own proprietary OS on. The main issues you'll encounter is that Wayland support is extremely flaky atm so you're essentially stuck with X11, anything that relies on systemd will not work as FreeBSD is stuck on sysvinit or something similar, and if you are used to Linux, you'll soon realize many of the commands you thought were "standard UNIX" are actually Linuxisms. You'll find yourself searching for alternate commands for what you might already know on Linux.

It's possible to use it as a daily driver on a desktop, perhaps even with a laptop if you have supported graphics and wifi hardware (it supports less hardware than Linux, but it's getting better release by release, ironically porting many drivers from Linux).

One thing is that you might not get the Linux version of Steam running on FreeBSD, despite them having a "linuxlator" (Linux emulator, basically WINE for Linux programs) but this can be out of date and a pain in the ass to set up and get working. I actually had more luck running Windows Steam in WINE last time I ran FreeBSD than running linuxlator programs. (1/2)

>>108198615
>>108199339
(2/2)

That said, it is is a neat system, the ports tree is fantastic (although like Gentoo, you'll spend a LOT of time compiling if you don't use pkg packages instead). Many people praise it for being "simpler and easier to understand" than Linux, but the programs you can run are the same (or a subset) of programs you can run on Linux. NVIDIA provides a driver for use on FreeBSD as well, so if you have a supported card you can get 3D acceleration. AMDGPU driver has been ported and works fairly well, but had some annoying workarounds necessary last time I used it, I'm assuming it has been fixed.

Perhaps something like GhostBSD which is basically just a preconfigured desktop FreeBSD might be worth checking out in a LiveUSB session first to see if your hardware works.

>>108199326
I've used both and they are functionally the same, the main difference being where they store their data. Some people complain about the flatpak version but personally I didn't have any issues, but if you have alternate Steam Directories you'll have to use the terminal or FlatSeal to give Flatpak Steam access to these directories.

Nice thing about Flatpak Steam is that you can also install a GE-Proton flatpak which will keep it up to date

>should I install the .deb
Probably not. What distro are you using? On Ubuntu, it's just

sudo apt install steam

while on Debian you likely have to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to include the nonfree repositories which aren't included by default, AND additionally run

sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386

and then

sudo apt update

before you'll be able to install it.

>>108199339
>One thing is that you might not get the Linux version of Steam running on FreeBSD, despite them having a "linuxlator" (Linux emulator, basically WINE for Linux programs) but this can be out of date and a pain in the ass to set up and get working
This. They have an emulation layer but it's not good enough. They couldn't even get Docker working properly on it never mind something like Steam. I think also the FreeBSD kernel will lack the features that were added to the Linux kernel like NTSync.

laptop failed to wake from sleep on fedora kde. had to force shut off. very annoying. remember i had this bug on other linux distros too last year. weird cause it was working till today.

>>108199538
also the bug only happened after a system update so im thinking either the plasma update or kernel. updated kernel again to see if it helps

>>108197594
It's "apt rdepends" silly.

>>108199381
so i use debian and i was wondering if i should install it for my brother, he likes games and im aware debian can be a pain for proprietary stuff but i wanted to teach him what i learned and i dont like arch.

back at steam: i know the .deb that they give on their site works fine, ive installed it once, gave me some trouble with the i386 stuff but eventually it installed itself, so i was thinking maybe the flatpak will be more straight forward (and theres a advantage that it isolates itself too)? it seems the better option

>>108199769
Not really any proprietary stuff issues other than Nvidia drivers being old even on sid.

>>108198174
>DW
I don't trust anything that has MX Linux on the top three and Cachy with literally twice the HPD as fucking Mint. There is no way that isn't being botted in a site visited by people old enough to not care that much about Cachy (as in, not zoomers).

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>>108196350

pacman -Qi gcc14-libs 
Name            : gcc14-libs
Version         : 14.3.1+r516+g5998566829ee-1
Description     : Runtime libraries shipped by GCC (14.x.x)
Architecture    : x86_64
URL             : https://gcc.gnu.org
Licenses        : GPL-3.0-with-GCC-exception  GFDL-1.3-or-later
Groups          : None
Provides        : None
Depends On      : glibc>=2.27
Optional Deps   : None
Required By     : None
Optional For    : None
Conflicts With  : None
Replaces        : None
Installed Size  : 896.51 KiB
Packager        : Unknown Packager
Build Date      : Fri 20 Feb 2026 01:45:59 PM +03
Install Date    : Sat 21 Feb 2026 01:42:46 AM +03
Install Reason  : Installed as a dependency for another package
Install Script  : No
Validated By    : None

Can I delete this?
Also I have some foreign packages

foreign    botan2
foreign    hexchat
foreign    libcroco
foreign    mcomix
foreign    pyside2
foreign    python-mock
foreign    python-nspektr
foreign    python-progress
foreign    python-pyqt5-webengine
foreign    python-pythondialog
foreign    python-shiboken2
foreign    python-sip4
foreign    shiboken2

And some packages like

python-future

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>>108198119
>gentoo
It's arch, I looked at the wiki but didn't find anything so that's why I'm asking here.

>>108200105
>Also I have some foreign packages
Those are packages that are not in the Arch repo and have been orphaned. If you don't need them for anything and didn't install them from the AUR then yes, you can clean that up.

I think something like:

pacman -Rns <PKG>

should recursively remove the package and any dependencies.

>>108200113
>It's arch
Then just transfer the package you build and install it with

pacman -U chromium*.pkg.tar.*

I have a very niche nitpicky problem. When I go through image using qimgv it doesn't center the next image. I don't know if that makes sense. Also I'm on gnome.

>>108199682
No, read the question again, then read the manual.

About to give Debian a try later today
What's the best DE for it?

>>108200609
KDE if you like the Windows workflow

>>108199326
Neither; install it from your distro's repo.

>>108197989
>It's in the AUR:
>If Octopi doesn't work then just open a terminal emulator and use Paru or Yay.
lmfao linux is still so funny to me
>it's in the glorb
>if glib doesn't work then just use borble or quarp

>>108200815
There are many, many, many ways to skin a cat here and EVERYONE has their own opinion on the best way to do that. You'll quickly that.

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>>108179796
wtf is this shit?
Could 4chan be any more locked down?

>>108200873
I remember someone said they checked one of those sites out and it looked like an AI generated website

>GNOME is only bad if you're imprinted on Windows and can't learn anything new
wtf is this true

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>108200852
uuuhh janny this isn't very friendly

>>108200898
There are lots of fluffy bunnies and everyone loves their own one.

>>108200896
GNOME defenders always accuse its haters of being Windows baby ducks as though Windows invented the qualities GNOME is deficient at. GNOMEfags want you to believe that only Windows users would want or expect a systray, probably because GNOME's biggest competitor is KDE which is just a drop-in replacement for Windows.

>>108200917
Even macOS still has a tray area in its menu bar. GNOME is really the foreign one for not having one. Its more similar to mobile operating systems.

>>108179810
>free le bad
Incel get a grip

I updated Linux Mint Xfce from version 20 to 22 lately, and there was a noticeable performance hit on my old PC. Can anybody speculate what happened between those versions?

>>108200815
>>it's in the glorb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCnJB9walno

>>108201047
Mint has an XCFE official fork or did you do this yourself?

>>108201047
They doubled the amount of python in th Mint repo

>>108201056
Cinnamon is default, but Xfce is available yes.

I'm updating my gentoo install, and emerge says this:

WARNING: One or more updates/rebuilds have been skipped due to a dependency conflict:

media-libs/freetype:2 (media-libs/freetype-2.14.1-r1:2/2::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) USE="X adobe-cff bzip2 cleartype-hinting png svg -brotli -debug -doc -fontforge -harfbuzz -static-libs -utils -verify-sig" ABI_X86="32 (64) (-x32)"
  conflicts with
      >=media-libs/freetype-2.5.0.1:2[harfbuzz,png,abi_x86_32(-),abi_x86_64(-)] required by (x11-libs/pango-1.57.0:0/0::gentoo, installed) USE="X introspection -debug -examples -gtk-doc -sysprof -test" ABI_X86="32 (64) (-x32)"

Now it looks like something that would be fixed by the use harfbuzz flag getting added - so why is portage not suggesting an autounmask change here? A few other packages had autounmask changes added in the same command.

I want to understand what the actual issue is here so I can fix it properly.

Linux Mint KDE Edition when?

>>108201223
Mint devs want it to *just work*, not just krash.

>>108200917
>GNOMEfags want you to believe that only Windows users would want or expect a systray
Even ebussy uses extensions. It's extremely rare for someone to rawdog vanilla GNOME. You can probably dig up a random forum post but I've never seen someone say you shouldn't just go install AppIndicator if you want it.

>>108201224
Cinnamon has literally crashed twice for me this week

>>108201327
Maybe you should stop installing a million random Applets made by literallywhos

>>108201224
Then why doesn't Muffin (the compositor Cinnamon uses) just work?
GNOME 50's beta just came out (will be released next month) with a metric fuckton of improvements to Mutter and Cinnamon stagnates as usual.

>>108201314
I did when I used GNOME. Some dconf tweaks, but no extensions. Anything covered by gnome-shell-extensions is basically part of vanilla GNOME though. It's not like one guy is going to get bored and you lose systray support.

>>108201418
>t's not like one guy is going to get bored and you lose systray support.
That's exactly what happened though, multiple times in fact. It took Canonical dropping Unity and maintaining all of these important extensions themselves for them to not break every other release. Before they stepped in the one man maintaining it on their own would constantly get swamped or lose interest, etc.

GNOME extensions are not a good substitute for built-in core functionality. They're a workaround.

>>108179796
>make excel sheet in LibreCalc
>need check boxes
>look up how to do a check box in LibreCalc
>instead of being an option you have to individually draw each fucking check box for the entire worksheet
Fuck me, why did they think this was a good idea rather than a fucking toggle?

>>108201432
>It took Canonical dropping Unity
That was 9 years ago.

>>108198919
could probably get away with alpine in that case
or just use debian

>>108198897
>ask it to not install recommends
>it doesn't install recommends
>wtf where are my recommends
technically speaking, lxde doesn't require a display manager nor an x server. there are other ways to use it such as with an external x server, or vnc server. no de has ever needed a display manager even if you use it on a local x server. you're just used to recommends so aren't aware of what's actually optional

>>108201163
do you have harfbuzz explicitly disabled anywhere?

>>108201463
It's still relevant today for any extension not maintained by them.
Extension developers constantly will get bored, have other work to do, or get hit by a bus, etc.

>>108179796
ANYBODY ELSE USING BAZZITE KDE DOLPHIN AND HAVING ISSUES WITH FOLDER PREVIEW AS WELL?
MINE USED TO WORK BUT WITHOUT CHANGING ANY SETTINGS I KNOW OF IT NO LONGER WORKS AND MESSING WITH PREVIEW OPTIONS IN LIKE 2 OR 3 PLACES HAS NOT FIXED IT. FOLDER PREVIEW IS SELECTED IN THE DOLPHIN SETTINGS -> PREVIEW, I HAVE SHOW PREVIEW F12 PRESSED, I HAVE PREVIEW THUMBNAILS CHECKED IN DESKTOP FOLDER SETTINGS
NOT FINDING ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT IT ONLINE
NO CLUE HOW TO FIX

>>108201575
Use meme distros, get meme'd on.

I have a good question this time around, how do I set up the folder in which the games will save their files?
On windows, it naturally saves games on %UserProfile%, but you can change it ( https://www.elevenforum.com/t/move-or-restore-default-location-of-saved-games-folder-in-windows-11.8717/ )
so, what is linux's default save game folder and how can I change it permanently?
the idea here is that I want to move from windows to linux and keep all my saves and possibly even dual boot while directioning both OSes to save on the same directory could make things easier

>>108201554
It is maintained by them. It's in gnome-shell-extensions on gitlab.gnome.org.

>>108201586
The equivalent of %UserProfile% is $HOME, which is always listed in the file browser. Saves are definitely somewhere in there, since that's the only place that is writable by the user. The equivalent of AppData/Roaming is ~/.local/share, and saves are probably in there. Locations are not any more standardized than in Windows sadly.
I would also be careful about sharing the whole folders because they might contain shaders or other platform-specific files, but for most games, you can probably symlink individual save folders if you want. Steam will often handle syncing automatically with cloud saves though.

>>108201643
is there a way where I could potentially change saved games .local/share default path to a different directory?

>>108201692
There's probably some env var, but you can also just symlink it to point anywhere you want. Applications won't even know you redirected them, so it's almost certain to work. Be warned, if Steam keeps stuff there, it might use linux features inside there, supposedly those might not work right on ntfs. So don't just link the whole thing to your windows partition and expect it to work. Not to mention, it could hold platform specific stuff too. But you could point it to another linux fs if you want.
For specific games, if they have a folder that holds their saved games you could probably symlink that to ntfs and share saves without issues. No promises but it'd probably work.

>>108201731
alright, thanks for the help

How do i identify the cause of a tiny stutter/hang that seemingly happens at random once or twice a minute? It's making listening to music really annoying.

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Holy shit these captchas are fucking awful.
I hate Windows, I'm switching to Linux. I use Debian on my server but suspect that's probably not the right choice for a daily driver. I mostly game and faff about, what distro do I use?
>pic unrelated but I thought it was neat so here ya go.

>>108201587
Just because something is an official extension it doesn't mean it can't bitrot. It needs people to take care of it.

how's dwm for gaming? does it behave weird with the whole fullscreen/floating modes?

>>108201857
I've tried both CachyOS and Nobara (Which is what I'm using now).
Out of those two, Nobara was super easy to get set up for gaming, with Steam and Wine both being preinstalled.

what are the chances both plasma 7 and the next version of gnome will both try really really hard to resemble liquid glass?

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>>108197690
Installed xfce4, weird that it sees the root zpool as some kind of mountable thing. It shows it as a shortcut on desktop and in thunar.

>>108202154
NTA but every time you got a Linux system with a fancy desktop and an "automounter", the automounter will offer all non-mounted filesystems as clickable icons. Idea being you got a convenient way to view USB drives and whatever but it doesn't make any distinction in that regard.
-> make a mount point for your crap

>>108202154
xfce4 really needs a visual rework, they can't stay ugly like that forever

>>108202235
It can look good if you use the old themes, everything is flat and soulless now

>>108202022
Your window manager or DE does not affect gaming performance at all. The only thing that makes a difference is moving between x11, wayland and gamescope. And usually the difference is within a margin of error.

>>108198892
>If people insist on running malware anyway then you can't stop them.
The difference is that Defender auto-removes malware it finds and if you try to run it manually the execution gets blocked and it gets deleted. There is a big difference between
>double click malware
>"yes, run the program"
and
>double click malware
>it gets hard stopped and deleted
>ok, go into system settings
>disable Defender
>NOW re-download and double click malware
>"yes, run the program"

The Linux security model is "Users just shouldn't run untrusted code" while on Windows is "Users will 100% run untrusted code so we have to contain it". The Windows approach is objectively better.
The only way Linux gets close when it comes to security is by enforcing SELinux, using Wayland and directing people into only using Flatpaks. And even then it fails in multiple ways.

>>108202425
You are assuming here that defender will have the program in its database and flagged as malicious, which just isn't the case for most untrusted code. Windows will happily run unknown and untrusted code if the user tells it to do it.

>>108202448
They don't only rely on Defender. It's just the easiest example to bring up.
Either way having a defensive tool like this is much better than not having it.

>>108202455
Until the defensive tool is the security hole that gets attacked, as these tools tend to have high permisssions and try to touch any file going into the system, so any flaw abused there is catastrophic.

>>108202464
Just because "anything can be hacked" doesn't mean security tools are useless and shouldn't be used. This is like saying you shouldn't run open source software because of what happened to xz-utils since "any project can be infiltrated by bad actors". By that logic you should build your own hardware, write your own software and never connect to the internet.

>>108198183
The first man to ever get Gnomed by gnome-keyring. I feel honoured.

>be me
>boot opensuse tw network installer
>no list of ssids given, have to remember exact ssid and type it
>slow load of installer components from network
>gui installer doesn't explain advanced options, requiring phone for research
i thought tw was peak guided autism
but it just feels harder than it should be
time to try the offline installer, i guess

>>108202536
>gnome provides service that isn't anywhere else
>this is supposed to be a bad thing
it's called competition.

>>108202511
Bad example, as on top of its inherent flaws, security tools can also be infiltrated by bad actors.
And yes, security tools like AV shouldn't be used.

>>108202556
I do not want to use gnome-kreyring and any software that tries to force me to do it is shit by design.

>>108202562
then write software that doesn't need gnome-keyring.
beggars can't be choosers.

>>108202556
Please read the comment chain before spouting a retarded opinion, ebussy.
Having gnome-keyring and kwallet installed was causing sddm-autologin to *sometimes* fail.
So yes it's a bad thing.

>>108202621
and this is somehow a gnome problem how?
you faggots can't help yourselves bitching about gnome every day.

>>108202371
It does affect the performance.
cwm does not like full screen windows at all and seems like it omits hardware surfaces resulting in horrible stuttering.
labwc has sync issues and mouse issues..
>>108202022
DWM is perfect but you might double check the available patches, there was something important but I can't remember.

What's the most close to minimal, least bloated; least niggerlicious way of managing a network connection (both ethernet and wireless); what network manager do I use? Preferably whatever doesn't rely explicitly on systemd. I plan on moving onto systemd-less distros once I've gotten comfortable with managing things on Arch.

Does the context of use cases matter, i. e. network management on a laptop vs on a desktop?

>>108202704
install Network Manager and move on with your life.

speaking of cybersecurity, what firewall do you use, if you use one?

>>108202715
ufw is the easiest to use. Default incoming to deny and outgoing to allow and you're basically protected from any kind of attack a firewall can protect you from, allowing whatever else needed on a case by case basis, like unblocking SSH if you need that.

>>108202715
Just plain NFtables if I use one.

>>108202646
If both are installed it should automatically disable itself and not cause a race condition, retard.

>>108202772
>install gnome-keyring
>it does what it's supposed to do
>sddm bugs
remind me again how this is a gnome problem.

>>108202795
>how this is a gnome problem
Because it has a race condition and tries to hijack 3rd party login managers

>>108202818
race conditions don't happen by themselves. it takes two to tango.
i'll remind you that gnome only supports gdm, if you want to use anything else you're on your own.

>>108202826
I'll remind you that only gnome causes problems

>>108202835
works on my machine.

>>108202818
>install software that conflicts with other software on the system and is not supposed to be used along the other software
>I BLAME EVERYONE BUT MYSELF AND MY DISTRO
ok