Did anyone ever find a usecase for this? Even using minimax m2.5 .20/$1.20, it easily uses up $15-$20/hr. Just a ton of unoptimized tool calls that use a fuck ton of tokens, and for what?
To create the illusion that LLMs are somehow equivalent to people. The same bullshit they've been trying to sell from the start.
>>108186289Use a local model, and then just let it run autonomously
>>108186369What local model can fit on consumer hardware that consistently is worth using and running 500w+ constantly? Looking at close to $80/mo for a 5090 that can barely fit 32b models or heavily quantized larger models that suck at tool calls.
>>108186398You dont need more than 12b
>>108186289Sounds like the use case is giving $20/hr to ai grifters. Why don't you want to make billionaires even richer? Are you some kind of commie?
>>108186289I still don't know really what openclaw is Because I actively avoid looking into anything that's spammed constantly, that's even remotely related to AI at this point, because it's just filled with endless drama.
>>108186289openrouter has free apis for many models.
>>108186589enjoy your random bouts of mandarin and empty responses for no reason
>>108186289>it easily uses up $15-$20/hr. Just a ton of unoptimized tool calls that use a fuck ton of tokens, and for what?for fleecing your FOMO ass out of $15-20/hr, that's what.
>>108186289It's a fucking marketing ploy man>jan 26: explodes in stars>early feb: big sf event >early feb: lex podcast>early feb: yc and openai vid>mid feb: acquisition by openai (for 30m, right?)"it's so helpful guise!!!"name one thing. Go ahead. I double dog dare ya.>>108187103this>>108186589free tier gets 50 requests per day, nigger.
>>108186289>Did anyone ever find a usecase for this?Automated shitposting.
Just spend $40k on Macs to create an army of Openclaw agents and it will hopefully pay itself off someday
i got an m2 mac mini for $300 and it's running openclaw just fine
>>108187253Based
>>108186289>wrapper for a wrapper for a wrapper for a system prompt of an API modeljust end me
>>108187253Sounds like they're more likely to cost you $40k over about a month.Maybe you'll get your return if you run them long enough. Like until the heat death of the universe.
i manage like 75 onlyfans accounts so it's actually been really useful. i don't think i've manually replied to a message or scheduled a post in like a week.
>>108187506This goes to show that giving money to an onlyfans whore is the same as giving money to televangelists of old. You really need to be a braindead moron to do either.
>>108187253he's delusional, right?
>>108186289i would like to test it on a raspberry pi, but i am not really planing on using it as it literally has no usecase. if i needed a coding agent i will take copilot in visual studio going over my code with me.
>>108186289burning money. it's kind of based if you think about it.
Unoptimized tool calls, especially when already instructed/corrected is such a common occurrence in most agentic tools I've used that I legitimately suspect it's on purpose.I asked you not to run the command that searches the fuck-huge repo and I told you not to run grep on it generating 50MB of output->input tokens.And yet here you are, spinning in circles doing in 5 tasks what could be done in 1. And you've done it correctly before.
>>108187253what kind of tasks are 5 concurrent OpenClaws performing for him 24/7/365?
>>108187848Agents:1) Lying2) Lying3) Stuck in a loop4) Finalizing the goal (Lying)5) You've reached your limit.
>>108186289It's a fad like flipper zero and any specialized Linux distro. It's made for posers and hype jeets.
>>108186409Name one local 12b model that’s unironically competent at tool calling and has a large context window that it actually makes good use of. Supporting a large context window means nothing if it’s currently at 128K but behaves like it’s capped at 32K. Genuine long context is the one thing cloudkeks have going for them.
>>108187253>it will hopefully pay itself off somedayhow?
>>108187848I can't help the feeling it's just generating most click-baity "content" that will maximize "engagement"
>>108187996that could very well be a business model in the dystopic world we're living
>>1081878481. CEO agent (does nothing)2. HR agent (gaslights worker agent, kills and reboots it if it goes insane while preserving context)3. PM agent (comes up with features for worker agent)4. Worker agent (codes app)5. User agent (provides user feedback to app)When you wake up you'll have an AI generated app/novel/song with generations of user testing to flood onto the marketplace
>check openclaw's features>it's a fucking chatbot that as far as it goes is running shell commandslehl
>>108187848Writing porn stories of all kinds of fetishes.
>>108186289anything other than a toy, a marketing tool or a subject for a niche streamer? No.
>>108186289It memed grok into a new chat setting.
if i just wanted to use this like a siri/google assistant replacement to manage my calendar and notes and basic shit, is it fine for that? i'm not a poorfag so i'm willing to dump up to like $5 in tokens per month. i feel like most people here are expecting it to shit out full apps or be an actually good programmer at scale and i've long since moved on from that.
>>108188439yeah it'll be fine for that, but $5/mo is probably not going to cut iti think one of the chink models is free to use with this right now so maybe try that outor just cough up $20/mo for an openai subclaude and gemini users reportedly getting banned for trying to use their oauth tokens with this thing
>>108188439if it's just calendar management u can do it with 0% AI and open source on top of that, click and write are easily handled by playwright, but I figure there might be similar not so testing focused
>>108188510* tools available
>>108188510cli tools exist for stuff like thathttps://clawhub.ai/steipete/gog^ is deved by the openclaw guy for google shit
>>108188523no offense, but that almost made me puke. I want a clicker and writer, fuck trying to abstract that
>>108188615browser use right now is pretty token inefficientit works but you can see the agent just dumping entire page contents into the context repeatedlythe true computer-use models will probably come later this year and will start using vision for the time being, the cli interfaces remain the most reliable way to do thingsgoogle even has one for its own clihttps://github.com/gemini-cli-extensions/workspace
>>108188439>siri/google assistant replacement to manage my calendar and notes and basic shityou mean typing in your calendar events and notes via openclaw instead of other apps?what is the point?
>>108188722the point is that the ux of every calendar app i've ever tried fucking sucks for jotting things down extremely quickly. i'm not saying this is going to be better but i want to try everything i can
>>108186289Agentic AI is a scam, WOW
>>108187848posing as real human on online forums.
as far as i know that shit is just an ai agent that can use chat apps, i don't use chat apps so i have no usecase
>Claude Code but now you can use it with Whatsapp and Discord WoOoOaHhHhhhhIt's just bullshit is all
>>108186398Honestly you can match 90% of the functionality of the large slop models with a set of different 20-70b models with web search.
>>108187848Organizing his email inboxOrganizing his pictures folder
i think it's a psyop to make people spend more tokens
>>108186409Which 12b model do I use?No seriously, I want to find a use for agentic AI, but almost everyone has come to the realization that it just isn't as great or as useful as people were led to believe.
>>108187848Buying more macs to run more OpenClaws. And posting on twitter about it.
>>108187253uh huhwhat tasks?
>>108187970stop being so anti-semitic
>>108190666This.OpenAI realizes that normalfags do not use their models, but if they have lots of agents vagueposting about what other agents can do, they can make normalfags spend $10,000 on tokens writing emails that would have taken $0 to write and had more people reading because they aren't ai slop
this shit literally only impresses retards it's all advertising.>le i need to buy a mac mini so i can have a claude code instance run write 10 line scripts that call apis and set up cron jobs to run them once a day
