It's so over. Everything that needed to be built already exists. The field as a whole has had no scientific advancements for a while if you rule out AI. Most new projects these days are rehashes or useless.>bro just take the L and let claude do your job, you are an orchestrator now, not an executorWhat is even the point anymore? Vibecoded SaaS web REST CRUD slop is all that remains. Being a programmer during the 90's/00's must've been fun.
>>108191219I see your point, but as a dev with some experience, I don't really want to tinker with all these frameworks and languages anymore. I just want to build stuff and it to solve my problem and make me money. I can build stuff with AI 10 times faster compared to me manually typing all this shit.
>>108191219Why haven't you vibe coded farming robots so you can have infinite money?
I missed the boat by 10 years. TEN YEARS. Every SaaS I've worked at, same story.>generalistic, entrepreneural minded guy tooling around with computers in a CS or IT degree>[insert business here] doesn't really have any software to help it out with its simple processing>I know I'll just build a toy app and see how it goes>turns out it's highly lucrative even though it's shitty>turns into a $100M business>dude sells out to India and retiresI'm this exact kind of guy. Kind of like CS/programming, computers, and like building stuff, but any time I think of a potential idea there are already 100 competitors out there. It's painful. Shit got swamped so quickly.
>>108191219>Everything that needed to be built already existsI know this is a shitpost but a universal denuvo remover doesn't exist
>>108191219Programming professionally was fun even a few months ago. Now it's over. I've come to terms with it and I will likely have to change careers because I highly doubt that demand for new code will skyrocket enough to justify all of us having jobs as prompters. But the vast majority devs are clearly tuned out and have given up like >>108191235, which I get. They never really cared for the "craft" of coding which is why software quality has been in decline for years and now they get to finish their tasks for the sprint way faster and play video games the rest of the day.
>>108191390There's no winning in this industry dude. The people who care about the "craft" tend to be some of the most insufferably disagreeable people on the team even if it's important for members like that to kind of direct the vision. Where I've been every time I tried to get into more of an opinionated craft state I went into the brick wall which is the faggot ass team lead who only wants to do it his way even when faced with a mountain of competing evidence.
>>108191235i get the point but man, if all i wanted was to collect a decent paycheck every month with minimal effort i could've done med school or something... i might be too young and naive but i genuinely wanted my work to be something fun>>108191300it's hard to compete with millions of indians when it doesnt take more than a few api calls to anthropic to ship something a costumer will accept>>108191390pretty much this, deeply understanding the problem, building sensible abstractions, applying some cool new algorithm you learned recently... feels like all these nice things are just weights now since the people paying don't care how nicely crafted my code is, only if it's 'working' 'enough'.
Lot of samefagging going on in this thread.
>>108191438No I get it, thankfully I've worked in smaller teams and had more autonomy which is why I am not as jaded as you. I liked the process of coding. The process of telling AI what to do is infinitely less enjoyable for me.>>108191442>i might be too young and naive but i genuinely wanted my work to be something funWork is work at the end of the day, it was naive to assume otherwise (I say this as someone who did the same shit and I've really started to regret my career choice this past month). It's bound to be shitty. Though none of us could have predicted it would get raped and murdered this badly.
Strangely, i dont see how quality of my life is improved.Could it be that people are working on wrong type of software that doesnt nessecarily improve my life?
If you think everything has been built never forget elevenlabs has a monopoly
>>108191528They're obsessed with features, updates, feature bloat, volume, quantity right now. That's what drives sales, that's what impresses managers, work for work's sake.What would make your life better is a focus on reliability, performance, optimization. Constantly axe grinding over how you could harden up apps and services and only adding a new feature when it's overwhelmingly asked for.Instead you get Microsoft Word crashing brand new gaming PCs while sitting in idle and Microsoft asking if you want to renew your $100/month Office365 subscription
>>108191542Aaaaw tganks for reply but this reads like ai oost a bit man
>>108191570I keep getting that so apparently the curse of being a decent writer is getting called AI on the internet forever.
>>108191328okay i did go overboard there but let's be real, forget about low hanging fruit, even 'medium' is hard to find these days. and the high stuff takes years of dedication and experience i cant get without starving first
>>108191575NaaahIts fine
>>108191219Reality is that all technical jobs are the same shit past the early era and a decade or so of peak relevance, be it chip design, mechanical design or programming.Once the low hanging fruits all get picked, every technical field turns into iterating on iterations and automation of as many tasks as possible while the spotlight moves from the engineers to sales, accounting and the executives, leaving the engineering departments as just a nevessary cost to keep the business running.
>>108191219>>108191235>>108191260>>108191300if only i could painstakingly type out 137,532 characters of C code for it to fail at compilingafter 3 months of debugging, the project is finished: it loads up a blank ui window for a calculator that can process basic arithmetic onlyand then get compromised by some indian rootkit and lose my bitcoin wallet with 22 bitcoins in it to remote code execution because the memory is unsafe
>>108191575AI speaks on a first grade level like Trump or "Simple wikipedia" articles. Literally just learn english
>>108191219I literally have three different solid business ideas right now and I can't go full tilt into any of them because I'm fucking around with my PhD right now. If "everything has been created" then you're retarded and not creative enough to make shit.>>108191300Theres still opportunities, just be smarter. But ya the days of making some shitty app are over.>>108191390>clearly tuned out and have given up like >>108191235, which I get.That's not giving up, that's embracing the tooling. Its like steroids, there's some downsides but the benefits you get are crazy good. >>108191539This there is so many opportunities, but retards are little dweebs in their basement. I have my ideas BECAUSE I go outside and hit the gym and play hockey. Ideas are at an intersection of what you know and a lot of fags are 1D, which is fine when you're a code monkey, nothing wrong with not being the big founder.
>>108191300Just make a better react todo app than the other guys and you will earn their business
>>108191219Do something that has an effect on the real world then. Build factories, automated construction vehicles and machines, self driving cars, improve traffic light optimization.
>>108191300I know a guy who always has profitable ideas, he just vibe slopped another one and I think it will be a success. There are fewer oppprtunities now, but they still exist.
>>108191219praise the omnisiah
There's so much room for improvement in debugging visibility and discoverability it's not even funny. Most developing is like banging rocks together like cavemen. Now LLM's bang the rocks for us but visibility is still shit.Why do we have to sloely build and maintain a mental model of codebases when the code is there to analyze, plot and visualize?
>>108191235You should be paid 10 times less
>>108193747All the smart people with good business ideas drop out of college to start them right away before someone else beats them to it. If they need a PhD they just hire one. You're lying, retarded, or both
There are tons of things left to develop, they are just hard. Write something that cures cancer, or a game that looks 2 times better than the current best looking game, or vr without lagg, orsomething that converts 3d points perfectly to CAD...
>>108193747Nigga you havent founded anything either. You likely haven't even worked outside of the disneyworld of academia.It's easy to think up "solid business ideas" when you don't know how businesses operate and what headwinds those ideas will face.
>>108194717>Write something that cures cancer, or a game that looks 2 times better than the current best looking game, or vr without laggThe first is a biochemistry problem and the other two are hardware problems.There aren't that many problems left that software alone can solve that aren't already being covered by established players.
>>108195069There are still a few things where you can create a software, that with the click of a single button will provide instant value. Also don't just look at the US market.
>>108195078It's more that the established players are using the best known algorithms. You could, in theory, write something that does protein folding better than everyone else. I certainly can't do it, with AI or without, but better approaches most likely exist in theory, and it is very algorithmic.
>>108195093You could in theory win the lottery but the chances of doing it are essentially zero.An industry is only vibrant and full of opportunities when there are a ton of easy problems left to solve. Once it's just hard problems left progress slows down, new players stop being able to break in and increases in profit start being mostly made through cost optimization rather than beating the competition.Just look at the semiconductor industry where the whole planet is depending on TSMC yet barely anyone is seriously trying to beat them because of the titanic ammount of money needed. Same with the design side where it's just a couple companies designing gpus, a couple designing cpus, and so on and none of the big companies are less than 2 or 3 decades old unless you count the design teams that Apple, Google and co built by hiring people from the established players.
>>108195132True, but I would argue that we were at similar points a few times, it's not the same as saying everything useful was already invented. Everything we see now was groundbreaking at some point. Google was groundbreaking at some point, social media was groundbreaking at some point, even if it's actually a net negative.It's the same thing always, most people don't have that kind of talent (including me) but a few do. There will probably be some new tech at some point and then average devs like us will use that tech to build some user facing applications.
>>108193747Keep going anonDont be disgrintled though when you find out being a founder is about how many babies you can give panda eyes too
>>108191585There aren't even half decent Linux PIM apps (there used to be, but they were maintained by proprietary Unix maintainers so now they're unmaintained, forgotten, and unpackaged.)Yes we're surrounded by low hanging fruit, we're fucking drowning in it.
There is a lot of software that remains to be written.Much of it is needed to combat the centralization and enshitification we see on the modern web.A censorship-resistant search engine would be a good start.
>>108194690Who says I need a PhD? Maybe I want one. It was free anyways.>>108195069I was in private after my undergrad for 5yrs until returning for the phd. I have my own LLC, used it for consulting for a few years. Technically have an entrepreneurship minor too so yes I do know business.>>108195504>Dont be disgrintled though when you find out being a founder is about how many babies you can give panda eyes tooWhat the fuck is panada eyes? Never heard that term before.
