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Think for yourself. Do not trust advice given here. Do your own research using the information in the stickies.

>A /pcbg/ for every use case and budget!

>News & Rumors
Just read TomsHardware -- industry is screwed until RAM/SSD/HDD catches up ;_;

>Price tracking
RAM: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ram/ram-price-index-2026-lowest-price-on-ddr5-and-ddr4-memory-of-all-capacities
SSD: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/ssd-price-tracking-2026-lowest-price-on-every-m-2-ssd
GPU: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/lowest-gpu-prices-tracking

>GPU hierarchy 2026
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

>Other helpful Links
Mobomaps, currently only lists a selection of AM5 boards but is being actively updated : https://mobomaps.com/
A PC build guide : https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PC
German autism : https://www.igorslab.de/en/
Monitor reviews : https://www.rtings.com/
Alternate to pcpartpicker: https://pangoly.com/en/pc-builder

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>RX 9070XT

>>108215746
not true. mine is slim and has an undervolt and is limited to 275w.

>>108215746
Low facial details and bad shading?

>>108215788
i can give her a great facial with a lot of detail.

>>108215793
Anon, she doesn't have a nose.

>>108215812
wym?

>>108215556
>air cooler or aio
I like everything about aios but the longevity scares me. I got 6 years out of my last PC without replacing a part and everyone says an AIO will never last 6 years. Am I being baited or should I get an air cooler?

>>108215846
I would never get an aio for a single ccd cpu

>>108215846
i would get an aio for a single ccd cpu

>>108215846
Pick case first which impedes your max air cooler height dimension or AIO rad size
Think about it while picking the case

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>>108215746

>>108215717
Blessed bake.

The MSI Ventus 5090 fans are so dogshit I actually did a 3D printed shroud for Noctua fans just to escape then.

Is there any reason to get a 5080? Used pny for a little over 1.1k on ebay and a used pny 5070ti for a little over 900. Worth the 200? Also what mobo to get for a 9800x3d/9850x3d (like 30$ diff at microcenter) I want to have linux but also windows on my pc and dont know if I should get a bunch of drives or just partition.

>>108216239
not when 9070xt are $700

>>108216282
Not just playing games.

>>108216287
then buy the cheapest production card you want

>>108215746
Damn, Mina Ha looks like THAT?

they are calling it the greatest scam since enron
https://x.com/unusual_whales/status/2025722523342852340

>>108215846
Anon I bought air cooler for a 9950X3D, fuck AIOs.

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>>108216356
this tweet tanked bitcoin and the futures btw, lots of eyebrows being raised

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I still don't get how this just isn't a big deal

It's been well over a year and it's still happening and still nobody knows why, literally nobody can say why it happens

>>108216508
isn't a big deal because it's not even 0.02 percentage of the people affected, and it's of course some voltage mishap by the motherboard manufacturer, that's why everyone should learn computers and lock in their voltages

>1440p
>KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
does anyone here have this is it actually good?

>>108216508
the more cpus get bought and used the more failures you are going to see.

>>108216282
9070XT is like half the power of a 5080.
Unless the 9070XT is $550-$600, it's absolutely not worth it.

>>108216508
Does he say which mobo he had?

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>>108216598

>>108216613
but fake frames and fake resolutions...

>>108216613
And in actual games with DLSS 4.5?

I hope to see a breakthrough in thermal pads technology, I feel like it's a segment that has stagnated for decades, the good ones are the same from 10 years ago

>>108216619
>actual games with DLSS 4.5
oh you mean slop yeah i don't play it. if they can't make the game run i don't have a reason to play it.

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>>108216628
ptm7950

>>108216630
Why are you buying a new GPU to play old games?

>>108216617
Bro goes into his setting to force LOD0 so he doesn't have to look at "fake models".

>>108216635
I use ptm7950 everywhere already, I mean the thermal pads for memory in gpus and VRM

>>108216638
>Why are you buying a new GPU to play old games?
s-shut up!

>>108216638
>old games
not every game that isn't playable without dlss is old. some games actually run without it just fine.

>>108216652
>some games actually run without it just fine.
Prove it.

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>>108216656
nah. enjoy your slop. forget that i asked.

>>108216652
What game doesn't run at 60fps on an RX7800, yet also doesn't benefit from DLSS, RT and FG?

What reason is there to buy an AMD GPU this generation if your AMD GPU from last gen would run them fine? You're just spending money on nothing at that point.

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>>108216663
>What reason is there to buy an AMD GPU this generation

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5 hours in ms paint I suck at drawing pls no bully
pic related is my current setup roughly
The new case I bought has power/usb/headphone jack on the bottom though. I didn't draw it very good but my headphone cord is not that long and would be quite tight if it had to stretch from where its attached on the left headphone to the bottom of the new case, to the point if I lean back or turn my head it might yank or unplug and damage it (not tested I just get that feeling). The controller is a bit more forgiving. Also having the power button on the bottom might be prone to dog presses or my foot if I'm sitting weird. Either way this is fucking my head up since I'm so used to having this stuff on top of case

Alternatively I could try and put the tower on the desk. My desk isn't big and I already feel like there's not much space but maybe if I move my monitors more or push them forward I could fit the case on the back wall horizontally, or on the far right vertically but I'd probably hate it, and it would make more noise from fans that aren't obstructed by the desk. And I don't know how I would even move wires if it was on the desk since headphone would just cross over my hand/mouse/keyboard and forcing it around the corner of the desk would make the same problem of cutting the length and making it tight.

Last cope option is I could move the tower to the left floor (or desk) but that is the side where I always have my water or coffee and I'd be retarded to do such a risk.

>just get wireless headphone/controller or a different case
I like everything about the case except the button placement, and other cases with top button placement have other things I hate more.
I'll get a wireless headset probably on black friday or when there's a good deal but until then this is what I'm stuck with. I am kb/m most of the time but for some games I use controller, its a long enough cord though

Wat do? Any desk/design pros

>>108216790
buy a dac, that's all

>>108216790
Move your tower (sideways) behind the left monitor. You clearly prefer sitting leaning right hence why your left monitor is angled. Shift monitors to the right if need be.

>>108215717
Dude I just typed in PC Specs: Thermaltake 380XL | POWERGPU AIO 360 AIO | AMD 9850x3D | MSI X870 Pro | Kingston 64GB 6000mhz C30 | Kingston 2TB NVMe | NVIDIA RTX 5080 | MSI 1000 watt PSU |

raw into ChatGPT and it gave me approximate value. Not sure if this helps anyone but it was like 3 seconds flat.

>>108216420
Yeah I read this like what the fuck? I don't even know what it means and it sounds like Project Stargate wasn't even real. Nvidia pulled its funding partially too. Altman next SBF?

>>108216845
I just drew is poorly, both displays are kind of angled inward slightly. My right display is my primary, left is just for browser and other apps while I game on the right one.
I sit leaning left usually as my left armrest is more damaged.

>>108216797
do cheap ones work for this? I've never used one before
if I can just get a $20 one that'll work but lots of them seem quite expensive at which point I'd rather just hold out for a wireless headset

>>108216885
yeah, get a chink one, fosi audio or aiyima and ur done

>mobomaps says GIGABYTE X870 GAMING X WIFI7 doesn't have gpu lane sharing
>the manual states "* The PCIEX16 slot can only support a graphics card or an NVMe SSD. If only one graphics card is to be installed, be sure to install it in the PCIEX16 slot."
So it does have gpu lane sharing then?

>>108217143
https://mobomaps.com/board?board=gigabyte-x870-gaming-x-wifi7

>>108217217
I quite literally mentioned I had looked at mobomaps in my first statement. Yet the manual says something else.

nice new article by the god of thermal paste/pad tests, igor
https://www.igorslab.de/en/cooler-tests-with-the-nanotest-ttv10-what-can-an-air-cooler-really-achieve-and-what-is-the-ideal-orientation/

>>108217358
manual was a fuck up at technical writing? try moving an NVME and see if you are forced to use iGPU
if not then it's as mobo maps and just shares lane

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/impact-of-pcie-5-0-bandwidth-on-gpu-content-creation-performance/

>>108217381
Problem is I don't have it yet, I'm just looking at mobos to get. I've been looking at the newegg bundles and trying to see which ones don't have gpu lane sharing and this board is included in one of the few bundles that isn't too high. Also comes with a 1tb nvme which is nice since I already have the ram.
And yeah I've been reading the performance loss isn't that significant, but I just want to try and avoid it in general.

>>108216595
Some anons talked about it last thread. A linuxanon was having issues with it, but overall perception of it is mostly positive. It's cheaply built and the OSD is bad, but it's hard to complain at the price point. Just keep in mind what you're getting into with miniLED, monitors will never be as good as TVs so the local dimming can get obnoxious when you're not gaming or watching movies.

>>108217360
finished reading, moral of the story: horizontal case chads keep winning so much it's unreal

>>108217410
Then go 850 and avoid having an extra NVME option

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>>108215717
>Parts for a pre-built PC (July 11, 2025): $2042.82

>Today: $2815.37

>Price (July 11, 2025): $2800

>Actual Price of the Pre-built PC right now: $2,449.99

>Model: Aegis R2 AI C2NVR9-1452US

How the hell is it now cheaper just to buy a pre-built PC than it is to source and buy the parts yourself?

>>108217516
It was the same way during the bitcoin nonsense. Current stock was made before the current price gouging.

$1500 combo on Newegg for a 8tb wd sn850x + 64gb 6000cl30
Not that bad for modern prices, same as ram was in December you're getting the NVME for $600

>>108217516
>Ram price in July: 90 Bucks
>Ram price today: $560
WTF is up with the +500% markup on Ram?

>>108217511
I don't think any of these bundles include a b850 board. Is there another website that's doing these sort of bundles? I'm not near a microcenter.

desert crimson is going to have fsr redstone, so we'll finally be able to know if the software stack is worth anything, the only other game was cod and literally no tech reviewer did any review of it because it's multiplayer

>>108217553
It's a shame that game looks fucking awful.

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Do these work or I need fancier stuff?

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>>108217532
They get refreshed so either wait and gamble or stop being so picky over a literal 1% issue with 5.0 x16 vs x8

>>108217582
There's no winning with these boards, huh?

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>>108217580

>>108217516
>$560 (five hundred and sixty dollars) for 32gb in ram

lol

>>108217593
There's no winning with the chipset because that's simply how many lanes are available to the CPU. X870Es that advertise no sharing are technically having the twinned chipsets use the same x4 connection, one chipset going through the other. Buy what gives you enough, or shut up and wait for AM6 / LGA-1954 and see how many lanes those end up having.

What are you guys using all these lanes for?

>>108217614
>or shut up
Just for that, I won't. I will continue to annoy and aggravate you.

>>108217622
Xtreme gaming.

Who should I trust the least? Gigabyte or MSi?

>>108217680
Trust nobody
Not even your own motherboard

>>108217622
Nvme drives.

>>108217711
Just get a bigger one rather than a bunch of small ones?

>>108217723
What if I want a bunch of bigger ones?

>>108217723
With this current market the best I can do is use a bunch of small ones.
>tfw was starting to think of getting a 4tb nvme and then found out all the prices went sky high

>>108217726
Get a CPU with more lans, or just tolerate running them slower.

>>108217784
No.

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Are there any downsides to mounting your monitors this way or should I just do it side to side?

>>108217944
people would think you're disabled or something

decided that I'm gonna replace the thermal paste on the CPU and GPU on my 4 year old pc, does this make sense or am I retarded?

>>108217944
You have to tilt back your head the screens are 27"+. This can get uncomfortable.

>>108217985
For the most part you don't necessarily have to unless you've noticed your temps going higher. Of course I don't remember what temps I was getting when I made my PC. If you still got a good tube of paste it won't hurt, and maybe you'll see a difference. But in the end it depends if you want to put in the effort or not.

>5070 Ti is $1100
When the consumer market is dead, and AMD and NVidia are fully captured by Sam Altman and he only offers to pay them a shiny nickel, and they're left utterly fucked because of how they've self-destructed and trapped themselves, I'll laugh.

pc gaymers deserve to be humiliated, they are still buying njeetia after being mistreated all these years, even when the 9070 xt was a great deal

>>108218000
I already impulse-ordered a tube of arctic mx-6, I only used the tiny tube that came with the cooler at the time so I don't have any left. I feel like my fans go harder than they should lately, I figured that for a few bucks and a bit of time even if it won't make a difference it's no biggie

>>108217985
>>108218096
no point in doing it unless you're going to do it right: ptm7950 and good thermal putty otherwise it's a waste

>>108217987
I guess that's somewhat better than having your main display off-center

>>108218073
yes nvidia evil
meanwhile amd sandbagging fsr 4

I use an HDD for a bunch of steam games and shit that doesn't really need an SSD that much. Can I freely just put it from my current PC into a brand new build and use the games on it as I would on the old PC? Or am I better wiping the HDD and doing a fresh redownload/install of all these games properly on the new PC

>>108218111
dont need to wipe it

>>108218073
>>108218108
Don't forget that Lisa Su offered Sam Altman 10% of the entirety of AMD to get him to give her AI contracts.
Absolute cuck behavior.

>>108218111
its not exactly straightforward
you can use the steam backup game files function and then reimport that to a new steam install
another way is set up a new steam folder, start an install and pause it, close steam, copy the game files, and reopen steam

>>108218100
dang well I can't be arsed to send back something this cheap so I'll still try the paste first. but what do you mean "and"? If you use a ptm7950 where do you put the putty then?

>>108218125
that was just a scam to make the stocks go up, as it is everything related to openai

>trying to seat my xfx 9070xt
>it looks like its going to bend the front panel connectors on the motherboard
just lovely

>>108218228
>xfx 9070xt
Which one? I know the Mercury is a huge bitch, so I could see that.

>>108218246
mercury.

>>108218250
mercury or mercury oc? there's a difference

>>108218250
That's a huge bitch!

>>108218273
Pretty sure they're the same size.

>>108218288
the oc is bigger and has a vapor chamber

>>108217516
>>108217530
MAGA removed all previous restrictions on AI and they basically bought all ram modules up to 2028

>>108218273
mercury oc

really dont know if i should force it or not i mean i can seat it but it doesnt look "safe"

>>108218303
>mercury oc
fantastic choice of card, post a picture of the situation, most of the time you shouldn't jam things up

>>108218312
my solution is probably buying a new mobo, i dont really want to risk this

which is ass because im using last gen ram and cpu so im basically wasting money on an ATX mobo

>>108218292
Do you have both cards in hand with a tape measure to confirm this?

>>108218331
the differences are listed in their website

>>108218326
what exactly is the issue
you might be able to just get a right angle adapter

>>108218135
I guess he just means using PTM on tight surfaces and putty on contacts that have variable heights, eg memory chips in the GPU.

>>108218135
the putty is for replacing the gpu thermal pads

>>108218335
Oh yeah? Show me then.

don't bother with the troll he knows he's wrong and he's baiting for (You)s like a good goy

>>108218348
>>108218339
I see, that makes sense, thanks

>>108218338
issue is the GPU sits right over the F_AUDIO F_USB LED- LED+ PW+ PW- etc. connectors

it bends the cables in a 90 degree and i dont trust it

>>108218435
you could check if there is an 90 degree adapter for a few bucks that works for you

>>108218461
i'd have to get like 4 different ones, wonder how much i can trust these

>try to buy via shipping a fitty ninety on best buy
>new account, ordered
>its taking long ass time
>wait for a day call
>oh anon you have to confirm your email again
>look email it was one day ago
>try call, verification team dont work on weekends
>cancelled order
>shekels gone
Someone rape me

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>>108218469
these kind of adapters are about as simple as it gets

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>>108218469
and you can get a kit with a bunch of assorted ones

>>108218469
The last time I was checking for an USB one reviews complained about bent pins. I ended up just leaving the cable at 90 degree even if I don't like it.

>>108218435
the only button that matters there is the power on

Is there a way I can add a debug LED to my motherboard using a serial or parallel header or one of the PCIE slots? I got an MSI X470 mainboard.

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>>108218485
>>108218483
This just made me realize I literally don't have to 3d print a new front panel button area in the 5.25" bay or spend $30 ordering a 5.25" sled with power/reset included, I can literally just use the HAF 932's water loop refill port to route one of these bad boys to my desk and never have to lean down to turn my computer on again.

I can just add some kind of upholstery cover or grommet into the circular refill hole if I want further noise dampening.

>>108218597
>chinks are undercutting the cortel gookniggers
triplebased

when ram gets cheap again I'm going to remove the heat spreaders and desolder the leds of all sticks in my house, should've done it after buying everything

>>108218485
>>108218483
how reliable are these?

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>theses ssd were $60
a month ago
bros best buy doubled the price of their refurbished drives wtf....

>>108218687
what is happening right now is US government supporting the grift and others are just joining in.
Basically orange nigger pussy gave the greenlight to cartels to rape the consumers on every penny.

>>108218687
the bad korea dram cartel is ripping us off but they'll pay the ultimate price as they allow the chinese to steal their market share and use that money to build 2 or 3 huge new fabs, once they lose that market share they koreans will never get it back

>>108218687
lol Newegg gave me a free 1tb SSD just for buying a ramkit for $80. I miss those days.

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Its been years since i upgraded (running a workstation thinkpad P50 with a quad core xeon & a 4gb quadro) & i need to get a more modern system for audio work (need 64gb ram & usb4) with an option to get a external video card later. (occulink i guess)

I am well aware how fucked prices are now, after looking around the best option seems to be one of these chinese mini pc's. How does this look for the price? (pic related) - (BTW the HD is kingston & the ram is micron)

I checked for alternatives for getting ddr5 & the best i can find is 64gb of dell ddr5600 for $417usd from china on Taobao, but building the rest of the system from components still works out costing more overall than the prebuilt mini.

any other options or should i just go for that while they still have 64gb ddr5 systems in stock?

fuck data centers.

>>108218687
And they were $120 4 years ago.

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Explain to me why deshrouding a GPU with with two 140mm fans instead of 120mm fans wouldn't do wonders for acoustics if you have unlimited space in your case. Would air pressure and blocked airflow really be a problem?

>>108218867
you shouldnt need to take apart any card unless its a shit one

>>108218867
bro your gpu has three heat pipes. just add two 80mm fans and be done with it.

>>108218867
I always use 140mm fans instead of 120mm if I can, they are far better

>>108218127
>>108218111
> you can use the steam backup game files function
Yes, it just takes longer than downloading the game archives unless you use SSDs exclusively. This is my experience with it.

>>108218867
What's the TDP? I removed the fans on mine completely and have 2x180mm case fans providing all airflow

>>108218061
> 5070 Ti is $1100
Only the premium models.

>>108218867
because you need very direct air pressure on radiators.

>>108218899
just get a 140mm high static pressure fan then, in fact that's very obvious that fans mounted on radiators should have high static pressure

>>108218502
>debug LED
I meant a seven segment display.

Should I upgrade from a x670 to a x870 mobo or it's just wasted money and eventually wait for am6?

>>108218502
>>108218925
what is it going to tell you that your leds won't? the seven segment displays have been made obsolete with am4 and with 10th or 11th gen on intel. they don't say anything that leds can't.

>>108218909
you need to 3D print the shroud to direct the air.

>>108218936
my chepo b650 board runs 6000mhz cl32 just fine.

>>108218877
>you shouldnt need to take apart any card unless its a shit one
But as you can see in the picture, it is a shit one. It is so shit that the heatsink gets capped long before the fans, the fans shouldn't need to spin 30-40 percent.

Oh, and deshrouding without adequate PCB reinforcement and support brackets will warp the PCB more than they have already.

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>>108218687
>>108218767
REMEMBER WHAT THEY TOOK FROM YOU
SSDs WERE EXPECTED TO BE CHEAPER THAN HDDs by NOW

>>108218960
nice hellhound gpu

>>108218942
>all these people online saying shit like "just 3d print it bro" like everyone has access to a 3d printer
baka
>>108218941
>what is it going to tell you that your leds won't?
OR the PC speaker!

>>108218968
ok retard cut some cardboard boxes and ductape them together

guyss i need help how do i DIY my own ram with basic soldering skills

should i put linux on a 1tb nvme? i have nothing on it. what distro?

>>108218968
the problem i have with 3d printing is that most just works printers suck at printing durable stuff unless you spend like 1k or more.
>>108218982
arch linux

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>>108218645
you could just paint them black or use a sharpie. also put a fan over your ddr5 they run so hot especially if you are removing the heat spreaders they arent just cosmetic. my hynix m die errors above 60 celcius so i keep a fan over it

>>108218645
you gonna rip the dram modules from the pcb
>>108219001
32gb kits run rather cool. it's only the double sided stuff that runs hot. the 32gb stuff also boots just as fast without memory context restore as 64gb with it on.

>>108218946
Yeah, I want to make a new build in a better looking case but I don't want to buy everything again, here what I have now:
- X670
- Ryzen 7 7800X3D
- 64GB (2x32) 6000 cl30 (bought in 2024)
- 1000W psu
- RTX 5070 ti
I was just thinking of switching either the cpu or mobo (for the look), I didn't see the point of upgrading the cpu for my personal use and when am6 is on the horizon.

>>108217580
If you have a tub of legos I'm sure you could figure something out.
Otherwise yeah those work. Just make sure the minimum/maximum length works out for the space between the bottom of the case and the card.

>>108219058
Oh, and any support that isn't a bracket should be more towards the middle edge of the card, not the end corner. Better weight distribution.

>>108218897
Even the cheapest ones are around $1,000. Shits fucked man.

>>108218893
In terms of actual wattage? 200W OC, 160 undervolted. Will soon be going to a 275W card later though, I may not be able to repeat this without voiding warranty.

>>108219030
Wait for the 10800X3D or whatever it will be called and x970e
Zen6 will be released in 2027, who knows when zen7 will release, or whether it will be am5/am6

there's literally no reason to upgrade until 2030 and zen 7, and depending on how zen 8 sounds with ddr6 it might even be better to wait until zen 9 (never buy the first gen of a new socket)

>>108218882
>80mm fan
Might as well just use the existing 12cm thick 85mm fans on the GPU, even if their floor for RPM is like 1500...

>>108218990
you could definitely print PET-CF on a P1S, which goes for like $400 and probably even less with discounts. Hell, I bet you could print it on an A1 Mini if you had to

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I think all this GPU slot thickness, support bracket, deshrouding, all that shit is just symptomatic of two problems.

1) This is all COMPLETELY OUT OF SPEC for ATX, PCI Express was never meant for GPUs that draw more power than the CPU, let alone more than 150-200W and above.

2) The ATX specification is outdated because it doesn't account for airflow into high power components, resulting in band-aid abominations like blower GPUs.

3) ATX case design is overwhelmingly flawed and inefficient for cooling components. This is precisely why BTX was created and why it should still be the standard.

4) GPUs should be relegated to their own space and should be THE PRIORITY in case design as the most power-hungry component of them all. Leave high-power GPUs out of PCIE expansion slots, 2-slot GPUs were an aberration from the very beginning, they were NEVER meant to be more than a single slot.

>>108219307
I sometimes wonder if the layout should be revised but it won't happen cause of compatibility

>>108219282
>PET-CF on a P1S
i was more thinking about asa, abs, abs-gf25, pc/abs, pet-cf, paht-cf, pure pc, pa12-cf and tpu 95a or 98a. i do like the idea of a qidi q1 pro but i am not sure and to get printer that could print all of those from bambu lab (the x1e) i would have to spend like 2.5k+.

>>108218936
Sounds like a complete waste. What extra feature are you even looking for? Same socket, same PCIe generation, same CPU support, what exactly would you even be upgrading for?

>>108215717
what's the lowdown as of late? haven't been keeping up w/ the market ever since i rushed my build last december.

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>>108219333
>i do like the idea of a qidi q1 pro
didn't know about it, seems great value at first glance, what's the issue with it?
I don't think that Bambu is the only "just werks" brand anymore, Creality and this Qidi seem to be offering something similar, the times of having to build a shitty printer that constantly has issues are pretty much over

>>108219381
>what's the issue with it?
i am a noob so i can't tell good from bad.

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>>108219307
There is only one problem, which is that (You) need more than 75W to begin with.

>>108219327
You could probably design a case with some sort of box / large shroud that goes over the PCIe area of the motherboard to effectively isolate the airflow to the cards from that of the rest of the system and keep it ATX otherwise. Hell I'm sure you could probably 3D print something like that, maybe have air come in from the front intake and exhaust it through a vent in the side panel.

>>108219390
try asking about it on the 3D printing /diy/ thread, some anons there think that anyone not using a Voron is retarded but others might give you useful answers. That printer has been out for a while so any dealbreaking issue it might have should be known by now, on paper it should be able to print just about any filament save for some few edge cases where 80+ degrees in the chamber could be needed

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>>108219379
something like this, well, thats how i feel about it, cuz i finished my build last February and i don't need to care.

>>108219444
they already told me that i was retarded but that was like one year ago. maybe they are nicer now.

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I'm beginning to thing that report that said stock trading floors are full of fast refresh rate low latency oled monitors was actually true

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>>108219474
those are prob XL2411K which are only 144hz, full hd, tn but they do have dyac

>>108219466
>maybe they are nicer now
depends on who answers, it's a slow board so if you are unlucky the only anons online might be the assholes that think that the first step in that hobby should be mining the copper to make the electronic components
>>108219507
still why go for the gaming line?

>>108219563
>still why go for the gaming line?
price isn't crazy for gaming monitors anymore and there's eye relief to be had from semi-decent panels and higher refresh rates. If you have to stare at monitors all day, you really appreciate a better panel, even if TN. I say this as someone who has installed "gaming" monitors in offices before for people who all they do is look at spreadsheets and emails. They noted signifigant less eye strain and headaches from said strain

>>108219474
they all use cheapshit lcds

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>>108219563
they have shit viewing angles. don't need one of those privacy screens.
>>108219578
we also recently replaced a few 1080p 60hz ips screens with 100hz ips screens because lg doesn't sell the old screens anymore. i had to send out an email on how to set all of them to 100hz.

>>108219578
makes sense, even if the refresh rate isn't needed a generally higher quality can definitely be a selling point since a lot of "office monitors" are shit-tier, I hadn't considered this

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>>108214594
>>108214653

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Everything look pretty good here?
Did one last round of research and updated my list to its (hopefully) last draft to start ordering.

>>108218899
>noctua nh-d15

>>108219725
>7800x3d
get a phantom spirit instead perhaps if its not much more expensive for extra heatpipe, ryzen 7 x800 chips run hot

>>108219725
>5070
you're both circumcising yourself by buying Njudea, and you're also buying a noob-trap gpu that'll be obsolete within a few years? 12gigs aint enough anymore.

>>108219725
agree with the other anon about getting a stronger cpu cooler, better safe than sorry and if unnecessary it'll still let the fans run slower, but other than that seems good to me

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>>108219725
>>108219783
>get a phantom spirit instead
this. i can only recommend them.

>>108219824
>>108219801
>>108219783
Thanks anons I'll make that change, its effectively the same price too for whatever reason.

>>108219794
Been through that rabbit hole like 7 times, ultimately found that for my use case I'll probably never run into an issue where the VRAM is the thing that cucks me on my CPU

>>108219850
with that cpu you get to upgrade your gpu a few times anyways.

>>108216628
It's called thermal putty
>can be any thickness
>doesn't compromise the performance of the putty itself or other components if compressed too much
>can last 10+ years with good quality examples like laird tputty 607
Only reason it hasn't taken over is because the good shit is still quite expensive

>>108216628
If you don't delid your CPU, remove the heat spreader and directly cool the die i.e., you shouldn't worry too much about the thermal conductivity of the thermal paste.

>>108216628
>>108219926
this. same goes for custom loops. if you go out of your way to run one you might as well do all of those things as well.

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dumb question about RGB lights since I've never used them before
I actually hate the way they're presented in pictures and peoples showcase builds where its multiple bright and obnoxious colors. But I'd like one good consistent color or complimentary combination

Can you actually control/customize the color and brightness on fans or other components that include RGB lights? Would I be able to just make it a comfy and consistent low brightness darker blue or something for example, via software or bios or something? Or does it HAVE to be bright pink and blue and yellow and shit.

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>>108216628
>>108219926
>>108219958
offsets are underrated desu.

>>108219975
https://openrgb.org/
yeah you should be able to change it all in any way you want

>>108219725
AsRock PHANTOM GAMING B850 Riptide WiFi
- 8-layer PCB instead of just 6
- 4 x M.2 sockets instead of just 3
= more value for roughly the same money

holy fuck can we get next gen gpus already? this is such a shitty stopgap gen.

>>108220151
Hope you enjoy your state of the art, next generation gpus with a whopping 12gb of vram. Only $800 msrp.

>>108220151
Why? What for? There are no technically mature monitors yet. I refuse to buy this shitty OLED slop. I'm still waiting for a nice WUHD 5k2k display and only then would feel the need to upgrade my 4090.

>>108220151
rtx4000 was a 2.75 year long generation
rtx5000 is looking to be a 3 year+ generation

xx90 buychads stay winning

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I don't want... I don't want to return it... but I have to... even though she is beautiful and precious to me... she'd look and sound perfect in a refurnished room if I just buy the right fans and heatsink... though I buy it with a great pain...

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>>108220003
...until this happens

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>>108220183
The 90 is the only real thing. Everything else is mere slop. The 80 in particular.

>>108220171
>>108220180
>>108220183
every gpu out right now is going to become obsolete soon because of directx13/spirv/all this next gen ps6 shit coming out.

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>>108220231
i miss when 80s were real
i love this little nigga like you wouldnt believe

>>108215717
is it still a bad idea to mix ram kits
i have b die 32gb and i just need another 32gb, will it cause system instability if i dont oc my ram

>>108220248
it'll be fine if you stay at 2133 or 2666mhz or whatever your b-die does at stock

>>108220258
ok yeah, ill do that then
my next pc upgrade i wanna get a ecc capable board tired of not having error correction

>>108220231
>best or nothing
>rusted out sub frames
>water based paint leading to rust
>onions based biosdegradable cable insulation also known as eco wiring
>sbc brake failure
>airmatic sag
>7g tronic conductor plate
>m272/m273 soft balance shafts
yeah. the very best. kebab nigger.

>>108220197
> PURE BASE 600
Nice. She looks h0t. I like the silver rims. If only she had a USB type-C socket in the front IO panel. Just two USB type-A are unacceptable.

>>108219850
>i am psychic and i can predict that no new game that will come out in the next 5 years will interest me whatsoever!
yeah okay buddy, good luck. Don't pay attention to the fact that a huge % of gpu purchases revolve around big popular game releases that require better gpus to play them.

>>108220265
ecc is nice on intel but pointless on amd. if your ram isnt stable on amd the imc will fail before your ram.

>>108220231
is that a buttplug

>>108216628
the one time i tried to use thermal pads it was AWFUL.

I had a very nerdy tech friend help me, and even then, he and i, in tandem, were unable to place the thermal pad over the cpu, then place the DH-15 on top, without shoving the thermal pad to the side and out of position, it would not stay put at all.

Until they make an oversized one that is safe to use and you don't have to care if its not centered, don't bother. Paste is fine. Noctua paste is sold separately and is more or less the best for both performance and longevity.

>>108220304
yeah >>108220268

Thought about buying a 5090 for local llm, but then I found out that I can buy a unitree humanoid robot for about $5k. Really puts these prices into perspective.

>>108220349
or you can buy any 24gb gpu for $1000 or less

>>108220289
only AAA slop and unoptimized dumpster fires could justify requiring 12GB of VRAM whithin the next 5 years

>>108220359
Basically only the 3090 at current prices. 4090 is already too expensive.

>>108220302
its more cause i do more server tasks than desktop tasks these days so ecc may actually be a benefit to me

>>108220395
retard, modded games, playing idle/phone games in the background while you game on your main screen, you need that vram buffer to prevent bugs and crashes etc.

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https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/1rb9ot4/decided_to_fly_to_the_us_to_buy_some_hard_drives/

cheaper to fly to the USA and buy HDDs than buy them in the UK

for comparison
28TB HDD Best Buy US: $329.99 (~£250)
28TB HDD Best Buy US: £889.00

>>108220248
You can probably just choose the XMP of the other kit, your B-die kit will do those settings easily.

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>>108220286
>I like the silver rims.
Yes, it makes the black box look classy enough to work with real antique wood furniture as much as IKEA minimalism.
>Usb-C
What do people use this for? I find it more concerning whether or not the case could handle a triple-fan RTX 5070 and a 9700X, especially in summer heat. Granted, I did not get enough testing time to know for sure especially with the two HDD caddies on the bottom.

I still get the lingering feeling I perhaps need not send it back and mod the 932 Advanced instead and that simply updated case fans (4 in total) would be sufficient.

>>108220464
then mixing your ram is an even dumber idea than when gaymers do it anon. ECC will never fucking work/activate with frankensteined ram.

hello pcbg
I am currently transplanting a thinkcentre m81 motherboard into a d09m housing so that I may fit my 1050ti gpu and use it for slopping. I've been tinkering with thinkcentres for close to a decade now so I don't expect much but I thought I'd give it a shot.
On boot I get a post error from 2 beeps but no display either so I'm not sure of the specific error encountered.
It does a no memory post error without memory.
I have checked all the memory modules on separate rigs.
The monitor and its cable are fully functional over vga.
Every single time I've had a similar issue it was the monitor being faulty but here I checked with two different working monitors.
Do note, there are plenty of sensors and panels unplugged as I can't seem to get the dell cables to fit the thinkcentre headers. Any insight would be highly appreciated.
Sorry for poor english.

>>108219327
>>108219413
You already had a sort of pseudo-BTX option with the inverted layout on some cases.

I mix my ram, but only in capacity.

>>108220568
i said next pc upgrade i do ill get a board that supports ecc ram
for now im mixing consoomer ram at base clock speeds cause i need it for llms

>>108220598
>I mix my ram
>>108210663
g.skill doesn't like you.

>>108217360
>I put the air cooler on wrong, it didn’t work as well
Am I missing something?

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>>108220498
> 28TB HDD Best Buy US: £889.00
€640 here in goymoney.
And it's terribly sluggish, 5400rpm, 120MB transfer rate at best.
I'd rather get another picrel for €500 or the 22TB model for €530.

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>>108220613
>g.skill doesn't like you.
XD

>>108220572
Update: It appears to be the psu? Recreated the cabling by switching out the psu and now it shows output...
A shame because the dell psu is 300W while the TC one is only 240 though that's still enough

>>108220652
by buying their kit and reading their card, you have unwittingly signed a blood oath with the dram cartel. sk hynix, samsung, and micron pull the strings from the shadows, while g.skill and corsair act as mere puppets - fronts for a global monopoly designed to bleed your wallet dry. you aren't just a consumer anymore; you're an asset to the regime.

>>108220629
14TB 512MB used to be like 200 euro, wtf?

>>108220696
>while g.skill and corsair act as mere puppets
Are you kidding lol?
They are one of the primary reasons why DIMMs jumped 300-400% when the actual DRAM packages *only* jumped 50%

>believing in GSkill
I'm going to post it again
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ram/you-can-now-file-your-g-skill-class-action-claim-to-get-a-cut-of-the-usd2-4-million-settlement-deceptive-marketing-class-action-now-accepting-payout-submissions

>>108220722
>>108220741
you’re missing the point - that 400% jump is exactly why they’re puppets. g.skill and corsair don't set those prices to get rich; they set them because they’re the collection agents. the cartel doesn't want the heat of a 400% markup on the raw silicon, so they force the 'manufacturers' to bake the extortion into the final build. that extra 350% is the 'protection money' that flows right back up the chain through back-channel licensing and 'validation' fees. they aren't 'one of the reasons' for the jump; they are the mask the cartel wears so you have someone to blame while the real architects stay invisible. they're just the loud, flashy distraction while the big three bleed the market dry.

>>108220629
>>108220498
lol it even made TomsHardware news
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/hdds/hard-drive-pricing-in-the-uk-is-so-high-that-a-person-flew-to-the-us-to-buy-them-instead-saving-money-despite-flight-and-hotel-costs-hdd-deal-seeker-saved-more-than-usd2-000-by-taking-a-trip

>>108220509
> What do people use this for
I have GARMIN devices and external SSD enclosures. It's a must have feature for these. Adapters gets lost and two USB sockets in total are very meager.

> summer heat
Well, I assume you chose this case because you really need ODD bays, there is no other reason to get a case with such a closed front. If you keep it you should of course install a second 140mm fan in front and maybe an AIO in top that would prevent heat from the CPU to accumulate inside and leave more cooling capacity for the GPU. If you install an air cooler instead you should install additional 2x140mm fans in top. I think a 5070 would be no problem to keep cool in this case with all these fans and the top lid opened.

>>108220741
>Attention, if you bought G.Skill branded memory kits, you may be entitled to financial compensation.
Yay!
>offer only applicable to kits bought in the USA
Fuck

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>>108220741
some lawyer made hundreds of thousands of dollars because nobody understands what xmp/expo are.

>>108220919
land of the retards.

>>108220919
That's the case for everything
Everything wrong in the world today can be traced back to ambulance chasing lawyers and activist judges

The judicial is the problem
The bored and out of touch legislature is the secondary

These people need a reality check

>>108221044
fascist hands typed this

>>108221119
facists like the corpos and the status quo. loyalty about everything else. loyalty to the regime.

>>108218867
two 120mm fans are already overkill for a mere 200w card and easier to mount.

>reading up
>ASUS 9070 XT lists "phase change thermal pads" as a feature
>ASUS 9060 XT doesn't
>Sapphire 9060 XT does
>read up on phase change thermal pads
>it's such a cheap addition ASUS would be fucking idiots not to use them on the 9060
I assume they're there, but not advertised?

>>108221147
if they don't say. they don't prob. are nvidia gpus using that thing? what about the 5060ti from anus?

>>108221161
So they source two different types of thermal pads that cost roughly the same in bulk, store them, and then retool the entire factory just to short customers?

>>108221176
the 9070xt get priotry and the new machines that apply those. 9060xt is cheap and runs cooler. they don't until they get time. i also don't know how much ptm7950 costs for asus compaired to thermal paste.

>>108221134
>the problems are everything but the executive not enforcing anti-trust
sure thing buddy

>>108221176
>>108221197
prime 5060 8gb gets ptm
dual doesn't say
prime 9060xt 16gb doesn't say
dual 9060xt 16gb doesn't say
prime 5070 12gb gets ptm
dual 5060ti 8gb gets ptm
>source?
their website

>>108221206
because the executive branch exists in a vacuum and definitely isn't influenced by the same corporate lobbyists and 'activist judges' mentioned three comments ago. it’s almost like the entire system is designed to protect itself, but sure, let's pretend it’s just a paperwork issue at the doj.

>>108220794
When it comes to HDDs all you can do is wait for Prime Day sales and hope for a bargain. I did that last year and stocked up. Good thing I did too because those drives have all inflated massively. I hate these price gouging cunts so much.

>>108221147
>>108221247
if they don't advertise phase change material on the box or website page then its using paste. its often ProlimaTech PK-3 Nano Aluminum or something high end like Kingpin.

>>108221119
The fuck are you talking about dumbass
They're the fascists if anything
also
>lolbertarian hands typed that post

>>108221176
If Asus doesn't advertise it, assume it's not there
General rule for Asus

>>108221287
>its often ProlimaTech PK-3 Nano Aluminum or something high end like Kingpin.
Non-sense
Those pastes aren't for commercial production.
If you're LUCKY you might get Shin-Etsu
No telling what they put on these cards

>>108221340
its not those exact pastes but in the same performance range as them. like how there are many ptm7950 clones like helios and thermal grizzly.

>>108221352
i trust ptm7950 more than any of the clones since they have been using that stuff in the automotive industry. it's way more taxing on the material than a computer is, so if it can handle an engine bay or a power inverter for years, a desktop cpu is nothing for it.

Ram prices finally dropping?

>>108220919
>>108220929
PC builders really live in a bubble where every PC has XMP/EXPO support when in reality it's a very tiny minority.

G.Skill got hit because they sold memory advertised at a speed that cannot be enabled on 90% of the PCs that memory can slot into as they lack ANY support for overclocked memory.

G.skill and Corsair didn't make that fact clear.
It's made worse by the fact that XMP/EXPO has a stupidly low JEDEC/PnP speed for literally no reason. 3200Mhz speed is supported by alot of late DDR4 systems as a plug and play speed but the vast majority of "3200mhz" kits sold by g.skill defaults to 2133Mhz with no JEDEC profiles that go faster.

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>>108221316
So they do multiple production runs with different tooling just to push near-identical-but-situationally-inferior product lines instead of just going volume on one solid product line.

>>108221425
you'd have to talk it out with the people who wrote the ddr5 spec and not the people selling you that stuff. it's not their problem that the spec is retarded and that your system is also retarded.

>>108221444
go buy one and tell us. if you are so sure. they advertise leds ffs.

>>108221465
I'm not doubting it. I'm criticizing their competency as a company.

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>>108217580
get a silverstone gb01 for 10 bucks. Very sturdy. I zip-tied my stand to the psu shroud through those holes and it prevents both up and down movement which is handy when moving the pc

>>108221456
What's wrong with the spec?

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>>108221474
you don't have to have any if you are anus. they have a reputation after all. they also sell much more than just gpus.
>>108221486
the low jedec speeds. not like cpu makers are any better.

>>108221456
>Types DDR5
>Topic is about DDR4
ngmi

>>108221514
both have the same problem but you wanna shit on g.skill for following the spec.

>>108221392
No, just stabilizing.

>>108221501
>the low jedec speeds
The low JEDEC speeds on DIMMs are a choice by the DIMM manufacturer
JEDEC speeds top out at 3200mhz for DDR4 and 5600MHz for DDR5

There is no reason to put a 2133Mhz JEDEC profile on memory that apparently works at 3200Mhz

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>>108221537
and? what if the motherboard is dogshit or the cpu is crap? now your system is "unstable" because the dram seller wanted to speed your system up. you want fast ram? buy a good cpu and motherboard and enable xmp. don't care what dell and lenovo are doing. same for the intel and amd boards that don't let you turn on xmp or smth. don't buy them. they tell you that you can't do that.

>>108221475
Doesn't go high enough for me afaik
Need 120mm bottom (floor) clearance for my case

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>>108221537
>>108221563

>>108221563
Systems that don't support the top end JEDEC speed a DIMM supports just picks a lower speed.
a 3200MHz JEDEC DIMM going into a system that only supports 2933mhz will just run the RAM at 2933Mhz.
Again, zero reason for very low JEDEC profiles

>>108221601
just buy the right ram for the right motherboard. it's not that hard.

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Any ideas on how I could cleanly noise dampen the HAF 32 HDD cage?

Paying for a 3d print of something that accepts mounting be quiet! HDD cages would preferably be my last resort. Their floating HDD cage design is easily superior, but unless I somehow weld or bolt on my own steel plate to reinforce the motherboard tray for such a design, I doubt a 3d print would be structurally sound enough to support their weight.

Granted, I haven't tested the effectiveness of the native HDD brackets from CM or whether they could use silicone dampening, which is what I'm after.

>>108221624
Kinda is actually as XMP/EXPO RAM dominates page listings.
You really have to go out of your way to find DIMMs that run 3200Mhz without XMP.

G.skill and Corsair could have saved themselves by just putting on a faster JEDEC profile.

I get it tho. Taiwan manufacturers can do zero wrong in the eyes of this shithole

>>108221659
motherboard makers could just add xmp support to their motherboards. it's not that hard.

When at normal idle all the fans on my PC are pretty silent.
But anytime my CPU goes under any load whatsoever all my fans shoot up to 100%.
I haven't touched anything setting wise, and it's a freshly built PC.

Is this normal, or is there anything I can do it fit it?

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>>108221591
Get a lian li gb-001 instead then. It connects to your motherboard with special screws to which you connect the bracket which supports the card

>>108221696
You're supposed to adjust the fan curve to your human ears instead of trusting automatic ai tuning that has no ears.

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>>108221650
Same here, I really miss the HDD cages of beQuiet in my ProArt PA602 case.

>>108221721
But I'm afraid that if I touch the fan settings my CPU will explode because it gets to hot.

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>>108221697
they don't sell those anymore. they have the Lian Li GB-002 now and there is a Lian Li GB-003 as well. don't need those. my gpu doesn't sag.

>>108221739
As long as the fan is spinning it will never get too hot. It will only get too hot if you tell it to stay at idle fan speed while it's using 100% PPT.

>>108221772
is your top front fan intake or exhaust?

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>2005 + 21
>still using a hexacomb or slits instead of a wire grill for your intake/exhaust fans
case makers are NGMI

>>108221739
Why would it get too hot?
If you adjust the fan curve it's you who determines the tolerated temp level. You should just KNOW how hot you want your CPU to get before the fans spin faster.

>>108221819
intake.

>>108221697
Doesn't clear my motherboard heatsink for NVME. Dated solution unfortunately and can cause more problems later on.

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The air flow line of mesh venting holes section

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The air flow line of wire grille section
>NOCTUA IS SELLING YOU A BANDAID FOR BAD CASE DESIGN

>>108221828
I have a AMD 9850X3D.
And my CPU cooler is a ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III Pro 280 AIO.

Any easy why to find out my best fan curve settings?

>>108221854
I just want more cases that don't have gay LGBT windows. Is this so much to ask?
>but but
No, Thermaltake cases are thin flimsy pieces of shit. They're meant for servers you put in a closet or basement.

>>108221862
you could just set a fixed speed via software. run a stress test and find out how much fan speed you can tolerate and at what temp you are going to end up at. and move down from there.

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Is there some reason this RAM kit is so cheap?
Other 64GB RAM kits are over a $700 to $800

>>108221899
That's 32gb?


Also new bread bake

>>108221901
>>108221901

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>>108221862
I have a similar setup, just with 9800xD. Stock fans were way too loud and aggressive. Asked grok for help and been using the pic related curve. So far works good

>>108221899
>400$
>cheap
kekw

>>108221914
You're right, my bad. I clicked onto that from a black 64GB DDR5 kit, and didn't look carefully.

>>108221862
>>108221918
ryzen cpus like to idle at like 40°C to 60°C so i set a fixed speed between those two so my pc doesn't change the speed all the time.

>>108221918
>>108221939
Good to know, thank you. I appreciate the advice.

>>108216508
Because it's AMD. If it were happening to Intel, you couldn't get away from the tweets and articles reposting reposts of reposts about issues ongoing, just like when some 13th and 14th gens were getting fucked by bad microcode and QC.

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>>108221862
> AIO
Protipp: get a picrel flat (!) wired temperature sensor that you connect to your mobo. Pinch the flat sensor in between the fins of the radiator (if you feel it necessary you can secure it with some thermal conductive glue, I don't do that, there is nothing to fear in case it slips out) best to realize near the exit of the tubing where some fins are very close to each other. Adjust the fan curve of your radiator fans such that the temperature of your radiator stays at or below 30°C. Now your fans will only spin faster in case the radiator is slower at dissipating the heat than the CPU is producing it, preventing unnecessary annoying changes in the speed of the fans with every short spike in CPU activity and temperature.

>>108221962
but when will we know the reason it's happening

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>>108222004
> picrel
this one of course, not my monitoring

>>108221843
then your best bet is to get one of those L-shaped brackets

>>108222050
Sadly none are y'all enough
A nice anon found a 5" collapsible/fat unscrew normal looking anti-sag thing but I was really looking to avoid using it since it's so tacky and not permanently attached to something in my case
I really don't wanna go vertical riser but I might
Gonna have to keep my eyes open still
Shame about the case / market being so skewed for dumb ricer setups, windows for PC cases are dumb

>>108222170
yeah when i bought my meshify c i got the "metal edition" which was just no transparent side panel
my computer is to the left of me against a wall so i have no use for a window

Wouldn't half of these GPU support stands just cause your PCB to twist unevenly anyway? Why don't have X-beam GPU supports or use multiple columns? OR better yet use the motherboard standoffs for a bracket?

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>>108222407
Looks like someone at Corsair had a similar idea for arches or support beams, except they fucking ruin it by turning it into a stained glass church forcing you to break out the windows so the GPU doesn't wind up in re-circulation hell.

>>108222443
Model? I might buy this but never plug in the ARGB

>>108222241
having "a use for a window" is the gayest shit ever.

>always add cheap ass arctic p14s into all my builds, silent enough and good airflow
>buy new and "improved" arctic p14 pwm pro fans x5 pack, because the old ones aren't on sale / overpriced now
>they cheaped out on the screws so hard, that it's physically impossible to screw them into the unthreaded plastic holes without destroying them
>luckily noticed how weirdly hard it is before the point of no return
>then decided to "pre-screw" all the holes, but the first 2 screws all lodged in harder than excalibur, the head being destroyed to the point that no screwdriver gets any grip anymore
>now have to either search for some actually usable screws or just go for other fans

fuck you arctic, never again
still finished my build though, just missing the case fans

>>108223708
just use the correct bit. problem solved.

>>108223818
so far I literally used exactly 1 screwdriver that worked on 100% of all screws for any build
I actually did try a bunch of others for the first time with these shitty arctic screws, to no avail