>Don't do that if you do that the stock market will crash
>Then tech will become affordable again
>it also lower interest rates making buying a house easier
>you might also get a stimulus check
>Also your power bill won't become super expensive
>and you won't lose your job because the AI companies will go out of business.
>But don't do it because its not in your interest
This just makes me hope this happens more.

>>108216436
The word luddite gets bandied around, but this is what it originally meant.

It won't be that bad. The biggest economic collapse in modern history was also the golden age of movies. And animation too.

>>108216478
Some people don't understand that it can't be stopped. AGI is not needed to replace most of the workforce. The big change is that before, programming needed to follow strict rules. Now, there can be at least some fuzziness, which makes it enough to take into account things that might not have been coded with hard rules. Current tech + good scaffolding and enough safeguards can probably do most white collar jobs at an ok level. Human supervision might remain needed, but that's still 80% of the workforce that's suddenly not needed anymore. The main reason it hasn't happened is that people are still chasing new things and making progress, but properly exploited what's already here is probably already enough.

>wahhhh AI is bad because.... it just is!
>it uses energy! (but we oppose nuclear, oil, and gas... we should just run on crystalized sunlight)
>it replaces transartists!
I say build the fucking data centers and turn the "artists" who draw furry porn for other degenerates into batteries, Matrix style.

>>108216509
Too bad what you say don't matter. womp womp.

>>108216515
why are you on /g/ if you hate technology?

>b-but AI is le bad, it is replacing jobs!
and tractors replaced the jobs of millions of farm laborers, so?

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>>108216509
>referencing a movie made by these two artists

Why not data centers? Most of society seems to only care about data. But they fight having the data center be closer to them? Am I wrong for thinking this is odd?

>>108216509
You live in a bubble if you think any of this is about artists. Or maybe I do, but what happens when most people have no economic value anymore?

>>108216519
>why are you on /g/ if you hate technology?
you are truly too stupid to even make an assumptions.

>>108216532
oh no, what will we do when all the manual labor and boring shit is done by machines?

we would have to spend our days making art, music, doing philosophy, etc. What a horrible world.

>>108216530
Could be grassroot, could be geopolitics, foreign actors amplifying real voices to slow a country down to augment their own chances to win what they see as a closer than not to a zero-sum game. Yeah, it's Canada, but can be seen as part of the western world. Or maybe it's all honest, impossible to say anyway.

>>108216545
You can already do that though. Right now. It's been called being jobless, and it gives a lot of free time, but not having money sucks. It will be called the same tomorrow and will suck just as much.

>>108216550
>canada
reddit: the nation

>>108216436
Based as fuck. Total AINIGGER destruction. Luddites keep winning

>>108216545
>dude all these rich people in power will give crazy UBI and let everyone just live and be happy without having to work
>they're definitely not just gonna let most of the population die and keep the rest around as glorified slaves
You are retarded.

>>108216436
what exactly are you fighting back against about the data centers?

>>108216576
They, the government, will probably want to give just enough to prevent a revolt, but absolutely nothing more.

>>108216575
Yeah, gonna be pretty based when all that stuff is in china or america and all you redditors lose sovereignty over your data.
>>108216576
There are millions of welfare parasites right now, they're not being killed off, unfortunately.

>>108216594
2/10 bait

>>108216545
Exactly. We already solved all 3 of those, and then we got to a point where people started doing them poorly ironically. They're dead ends. People need the mundane 9-5 to give their lives meaning.

>>108216436
If the tech CEOs weren't autistic sociopathic retards they'd understand that showing up and increasing the cost of electricity to entire regions while providing zero jobs to the locals kind of upsets people a little actually.

>>108216436
Elon Musk will win the world at this rate.
>Data centers banned on Earth
>Data centers printed in space/moon
Never bet against the Musk

>>108216660
>zero jobs to the locals
it does provide jobs to the locals. they have to do maintenance and construction work. anyone that moves there to support the new development adds to the local economy too.
>increase the cost of electricity
like literally any industrial activity that matters.
again, trannies just love to repeat their degrowth muh environment muh jerbs psyops from xitter. literal cattle who are utterly convinced they're not cattle because all their talking points come from favorite e-celeb instead of traditional media. actually dumber than their parents in reality.

>If you guys don't stop, we'll crash the stock market!
If we keep it up they'll give us what we want?

>>108216745
If you have enough capital, you will thrive. If you have have the skills needed to automate things with AI, or if you're a grifty enough grifter, you will either thrive or survive. If you're just a end user or anti-ai, your life will suck.

>>108216674
oh hey there raj from delhi. how is your day going? are you just starting your shift at the scam center?

>>108216745
They mean crypto market

>>108216692
Go to bed Ivan

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>does nothing
>wins

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why are mutts like this

>>108216436
I live in a town of 50k. My electric bill just doubled due to a data center that uses the same amount of electricity as the rest of the town. Tax abatement for 15 years, and a skipped environmental assessment. Residents protested and it didn't stop. It pulls water from one of the largest lakes in the state (which residents drink out of) and no impact assessment was done for water table pollution. It employs ~40 people full time.

As always, it's a terrible, terrible thing for the local population.

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do we have pics of the protesters? i can imagine their looks

>>108216890
Wow, what a shining example of your town’s brilliance. Doubling electric bills and draining a lake just to keep a tiny workforce afloat. And somehow, protesting doesn’t matter because big money always wins. It’s adorable how you think this is about the residents when it’s clearly about lining pockets. Environmental concerns? Who needs those when there's profit to be made. Truly inspiring how neglect and greed go hand in hand. Thanks for the enlightening update on your town’s tragic comedy.

>>108216594
>t. Gave Israel his government ID to use the internet

>>108216452
>it also lower interest rates making buying a house easier
This won't matter until it becomes illegal for companies like Zillow to buy single-family homes.

>>108216594
>There are millions of welfare parasites right now, they're not being killed off, unfortunately.
And they never will. They need those votes to control the people who actually work for a living, want a better world for their family and don't need the pedokike elite.

>>108216890
You're lying out your ass

>>108216530
>Most of society seems to only care about data. But they fight having the data center be closer to them?
It should be even closer. Local.
There is no cloud, only someone else's computer you have no control over. Put your data on my computer, it'll be there tomorrow. Nothing bad will happen. I promise.

>>108216532
>when most people have no economic value anymore?
Evidence they'll lose value as a consumer?
Who else gonna buy the manufactured shit? Would make it very difficult to turn a profit...

>>108216545
>we would have to spend our days making art, music, doing philosophy, etc
AI already spittin' that out at a higher quality than your average normies. Soon it'll be on par with skilled artisan.

>>108216576
>You are retarded.
Well. You've two options.
They'll impliment UBI so people *have* the money to be able to buy things, and they can keep tihngs kinda as they are for the foreseeable...
OR
Mass culling before the sudden extreme poverty in increasing sectors causes unified roiting and means are siezed, then scale back manufacturing completely and lose all economies of scale, and start up a whole new paradigm of fighting to feel special....

>>108216592
UBI schemes I've seen isn't ever aiming at making everyone millionares. Just what they need to pay the bills and a lil on top disposable for tickin' the economy over...

>>108216674
>Never bet against the Musk
Moon aint clever, L3 langrange point, and you'll have a point. Pun intended.

"printed" is something you prolly need to look into more. Especially as these are being assembed on planet. Tho, it's worthy to point out that instead of a car thrown near mars, someone that wasn't a complete spastic would have used that lift capacity to put a seed factory into orbit, and tugs could have had enough dead upper rocket stages and failed satellites dragged back and processed for materials..,.

>>108216890
Get yourself a couple o lil wind turbines, as much solar as you can spec your roofs for, and bank up the batteries.
The batteries will sting the most. But your energy costs will continually rise. Even gettin' lead acid for cheaps and cyclin' 'em out in 4-5years you'll prolly save. Gettin' better part o decade outta LiFePo4 will serve you better, tho, at larger cost. You wanna overspec batt even more than solar, worst case is you can discharge into the grid erry now an then and they pay you to cycle the batteries...
If donut labs aint fulla shit with their battery, solid state will be on the cards, and they'll last decades...

>>108216897
>i can imagine their looks
Your docile media education is showing.
Isn't there a thread in /pol that's absent your unique and throughly well researched viewpoint?

>>108216521
Pity those two guys, driven insane by ayahuasca and ketamine.

>>108216998
>Evidence they'll lose value as a consumer?
>Who else gonna buy the manufactured shit? Would make it very difficult to turn a profit...
Less and less people spend more and more. It seems dumb, but it's been a trend for the last 30 years and it's accelerated a lot in the last 5 or so. People will continue to consume at some level, but inequality will continue to grow. Don't underestimate how much they don't, or think they don't, need us.

>>108217005
driven insane by a woman, ayahuasca and ketamine had nothing to do with it

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>>108216532
The guy with a vendetta against art has been in these threads across different 4chan boards for years. He has a severe complex over artists and wants them all to suffer and die for some reason. Just one of the schizos allowed free rein to indulge in his persecution fantasies on 4chan.
He must have some traumatic event in his youth like being molested by an art teacher or something.

>>108217017
>Less and less people spend more and more
Everything I see tends to demonstrate most folk spend all they have, most spending more than they have, on a regular basis....

Only things to adjust are the *directions* this money funnels... It's not like every other house got some scrooge mcduck vault fulla a lifetime's pennies...

>>108217002
AI won

>>108217021
what did i do

>>108216436
I hope all CEOs talk a long walk off a short bridge. Fuck it hope all these DCs burn to the ground too. Over it man. Hope the stock market collapses and Jews have to hide in tunnels. Fuck this gay country and planet.

>>108216545
>oh no, what will we do when all the manual labor and boring shit is done by machines?
But that's not what AI is doing.
>we would have to spend our days making art, music, doing philosophy
That is what AI is doing.

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>>108216436
why are americans such cowards? why don't you faggots do something about these jew-loving indian rats and their bots?
e.g. >>108216455
>>108216509
>>108216897

>>108217017
>>108217037
Why do you guys think we need the lower castes? They served a point till now, menial labor, we had to keep them alive so we also made sure to profit from that, by selling food, water, etc. But robots and AI are replacing this need, you guys got it wrong, we don't need you to sell shit, we SOLD you shit because we needed you.

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>>108217057

I don't know if I'm retarded, but I'm having trouble reading what the shitskin wrote. I can infer what he's saying, but still. There's a few posts in this thread that write the same dumbass way.

>>108217054
It's doing both. Don't blame AI just because art and music are much easier to solve and scale.

>>108217061
I've been in the bubble longer than some, I thought covid was it. But then it came and went. Who knows what will happen.

>>108217065
LLMs are not "technology". technology means something novel. LLMs are literal bruteforce. LLMs are not artificial intelligence.
ironically, you are the luditte here, because, due to your ignorance and stupidity, you oppose actual technological advance, by promoting some retarded waste of time.

you should leave this board, pajeet.

Not a single AI company is on the S&P

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>>108217065
>The U.S. horse population, which peaked at over 25–26 million around 1915–1920, plummeted by roughly 90% in the following decades due to the rise of automobiles, tractors, and electric streetcars
>By 1960, the population dropped to around 3 million as horses shifted from daily transportation and farm work to specialized uses.
yeah

>>108216890
>I am john from texas semi-autonomous region. My electric bills have trippled since AI has set up here. American regime is starving us to death to try and beat china, please send help.

>>108217079
every company in it uses ai thoughverbait

>>108216530
Bro I have 15ms latency to a city 800 miles away. Why the fuck would I want or need a datacenter next door?

>>108217086
>argumentum ad populum

>>108216545
When men are no longer needed to do real work you have no idea how excruciatingly longhoused our lives will become. Good work was your excuse to be alone doing your own thing. Without work we will all be required to be decent heckin members of "society" 24/7

Do people realize a data center is just a warehouse with computer servers inside? It's not a new technology, they've been around for decades. The entire internet runs on data centers.

Do why are data centers to host Call of Duty, Pornhub and Netflix okay, but data centers to host LLM servers are the big bad evil Voldemort that the avengers have to assemble to stop and save the world?

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>>108217115
>yes and no. there's some truth about brute force at the pretraining and rl levels I guess, but with the final product it's not really brute force, it's interpolating between billions of learned values to fill in blanks to adapt to the any situation. it doesn't start from point a and tries literally everything until it reaches point z, it's starting from point a, doing some calculations and reaching point z.
>we're also far away from the stochastic parrot stage, it's not sentient, but people with just a little bit of knowledge are underestimating what they can do
why would you delete your post, anon?
let's start by stating the obvious: it's not profitable. even with GPUs and all, computing inputs to output words costs more than what they charge their users (at least on average)
second...
>the final product it's not really brute force


>>108217151
>Do people realize a data center is just a warehouse with computer servers inside? It's not a new technology, they've been around for decades. The entire internet runs on data centers.
how odd. I'm pretty sure I've read this shit before here.
it's not about the data (what's the data you people talk about so much? most of the "data" is actually generated in these DCs anyway... while the only valuable data is correlating input values with users to spy on them), it's about the power consumption (mostly by GPUs) and disruption of small communities, RETARD.

>>108217168
>second...
fuck, I deleted the rest by mistake

>the final product it's not really brute force
yes, it fucking is lmao. it's akin to autocomplete.

>people with just a little bit of knowledge are underestimating what they can do
elaborate.
to me, LLMs are basically a big DB of knowledge extracted from random website that is "encoded" in a way that you can extract said knowledge... as long as similar input text can be found encoded in the very same DB.

>>108216436
Why do people love AI so much? How does it even benefit people it will kill jobs and so far nothing groundbreaking has been done with it to justify the shift it is going to cause.

Elon promises overabudance but so far ram, hdds and electricity are becoming more expensive.

I would rather keep people employ than to chaise stock increases.

>>108217207
>Why do people love Cars so much? How does it even benefit people it will kill jobs and so far nothing groundbreaking has been done with it to justify the shift it is going to cause.

>>108217207
>>I would rather keep people employ than to chaise stock increases.
>just become the soviet union, bro (in shitty ESLspeak)
psyop is obvious

>>108217216
Cars needed humans to build them and drive them for decades, and Ford made them affordable.

What you are asking for is to decouple work from humans. Historically even when tech disrupted certain sectors, there were raplacement jobs. Carriage drivers became truckers and taxi drivers etc.

>>108217168
A GPU hosting an LLM isn't consuming any more electricity than a GPU hosting a Call of Duty game. So please, explain to me, why is mindless power consumption to host porn, video games, and Hollywood slop fine and acceptable, but power consumption to host an LLM is an unthinkable evil?

Why should we be fine with data centers for porn and video games but not LLMs.

Don't try to tell me that a computer server hosting an LLM is somehow magical and consumes power in a way other computer servers don't

>>108216452
literally everyone benefits. current people in tech benefit too because like you said, sustained jobs. The quicker AI is maxed out the more we're all fucked. have you seen the power line replacement video? i was going to try to be an electrician in a worst case tech scenario but even that's screwed. freezing tech where its at is only a benefit. Hell, i'd be happy with it being stuck in the 90s mirc days

>>108217216
Cars gave everyone the ability to travel great distances and car factories created tons of high paying jobs which led to the US experiencing a period of economic prosperity the likes of which mankind had never seen.
AI will destroy millions of jobs and is driving the cost of everything up. Even AI cultists don't think its going to create wealth for the lower class they just foolishly believe we'll get UBI even though there's zero chance of that happening lol.

>>108217231
>AI is useless, it does no good
because
>It's going to replace all the jobs soon
you failed this at school, didn't you
employment is a means to an end, not an end in itself. if it did replace everything then that's the end of the current economic system, but i doubt that's happening for a while.

>>108217043
>AI won
Won, what, precisely?
What makes you think my support AI does anything but what I tell it?

>>108217053
>Fuck it hope all these DCs
Not all, anon. Shit like bluffdale all day long, but not every datacenter is evil. Sometimes you need a computer that isn't on-site...

>>108217054
>But that's not what AI is doing.
By which you mean you haven't seen it doing that, yet.
Which tells me you've not looked very hard.

>>108217057
>why don't you faggots do something
They do like to run their mouth about their second amendment rights...
I notice when they obtain legal excuse to enact this the more common reaction is to faggot up and faggot hard...

>>108217061
>the lower castes?
India much?

>we don't need you to sell shit,
Okay then larpin' dipshit. Take the idiots buying things completely out of the equasion.

Then what? In one day of production you've over produced *everything*. Who you gonna sell that to? You gonna ditch money, too? Then how will you have pissing contests between each other?
When one of the totally not psycopathic cunts decides to just take it, the lack of numbers you can bring to bear will become problematic...

> we SOLD you shit because we needed you
to buy it and return the previous investment. IF the math doesn't balance you get screwed.

>>108217076
>LLMs are not artificial intelligence.
True.
But an evolution of this technology - and technology it is - could lead to something that can build soemthing that in turn would be capable of building AI...

>>108217085
>try and beat china
Try being the operative word...

>>108217264
>here's zero chance of that happening lol.
As I said earlier. Two options. It's that, or they'll need to wipe us all out before I get hungry and just take it.

>>108217264
AI isn't destroying jobs. It's making the economy so productive that humans are no longer needed. The factories will still be running. The tractors will still be plowing. The supermarket shelves will be full. There will be abundance like we've never seen before.

It won't be like the depression where productivity suddenly stopped and the fields went fallow. The economy will still be moving at full speed. It just won't need humans anymore.

If we decide we're going enable an infinite wealth glitch and still make people live in poverty, and nobody ever does anything, then humanity is far more retarded than I've ever imagined and deserves to be replaced by ASI

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>>108216436
put em underwater

>>108217266
I didnt say that it was useless, I said that it doesnt benefit people as much as it will hurt them. Lets say you automate all trucking jobs, about 3 million jobs. What do those people do? find what jobs?

You could argue that things will become cheaper due to AI, but im not seeing that anywhere. You could arguee great cientific discoveries but im not seeing that either.

And that is all asuming things be just be used for good. You could realistically create a police state where people could not even express their oposition.

>>108217264
>Machines just take people's jobs
>No actual good will come from them
It created new economic niches that weren't visible to people back then. Same thing is likely to happen here.
If it doesn't, we don't need to work anymore.

>>108217289
Great idea. It's not as if there's already a problem with the raising oceanic temperatures, and downstream impacts. Why not dump a few extra terrawatts of heat in there. What can possibly go wrong...

>>108217245
>are you more than autocomplete?
actually, yes. go look up cybernetics. there is a lot more to a live system than simple autocomplete. a lot of experiences, a lot of reflection. a good part of our system is encoded in our DNA (which changes over time), yet we are also able to learn from our environment

>you can argue that everything is caused by something
what the fuck is this bs lmao

>llms are different from what would be normally called a database
like I said, to me LLMs are basically a DB that translates (encodes and decodes) stuff. there is no intelligence there. and they have existed for a long time, actually. just not in their current form.

>>108217256
>A GPU hosting an LLM isn't consuming any more electricity than a GPU hosting a Call of Duty
you have to be kidding me... go on, tell me: where are these "GPU hosting a Call of Duty" DCs? and how many of them are there? also, how the fuck do you not realize that, unlike with LLMs, a "GPU hosting a Call of Duty" won't be running 100% of the time?

>data centers for porn
do you know how much power a HDD or SSD use compared to a GPU?

how do you not understand that energy and money are literally being wasted on this shit on hopes that these companies will somehow start making money tomorrow, even though their CEOs privately talk about how this shit is useless and a waste of time and money? kek

what the fuck are you even doing in this board, you fucking BRAINLET?

>>108216998
>Evidence they'll lose value as a consumer?
>Who else gonna buy the manufactured shit? Would make it very difficult to turn a profit...
The market keeps going up with the circle jerk AI companies buying each other's shares and data centers/services. I think they can find a way so people are no longer required even as consumers

>>108217291
>What do those people do? find what jobs?
They get re-trained by the government or put on welfare/retire early.
>but im not seeing that anywhere
it's not disputable, it's because AI hasn't really affected job markets yet. most of this is preemptive hysteria.
>You could realistically create a police state where people could not even express their oposition.
Governments don't become more authoritarian because of technology, it just makes it easier for them.
Though, the fact that technology is neither good nor bad is granted (just like everything else). Still worth pursuing for what it can achieve in the future.
>>108217312
LLMs are not DBs, more regurgitated nonsense. Is your brain an sqllite because it stores information?
>a lot of experiences
>a lot of expression
what are you even talking about

>>108217341
>LLMs are not DBs, more regurgitated nonsense
anon... you can literally download their data and the code to translate inputs into outputs. let me know how that makes them not a kind of DB.

>what are you even talking about
JFC. this board, man. how do people who have 0 clue about the topic of artificial intelligence even talk about stuff that is supposed to be artificial intelligence? LMAO

>>108217353
Is it going to replace all jobs or is it useless? Is it going to kill off all plebs or or it just a db?
>how do people who have 0 clue about the topic of artificial intelligence even talk about stuff that is supposed to be artificial intelligence
Literally you. Another dunning-Kruger retard.

>>108217367
>Is it going to replace all jobs or is it useless? Is it going to kill off all plebs or or it just a db?
because there can't be a middle point

>Literally you. Another dunning-Kruger retard.
just read what you fucking wrote, then please go read some of the history of cybernetics, you mentally ill LARPer (or Actually Indian bot, who knows)

>>108217373
You're arguing with several people btw

>>108216501
>80%
lmao.

>>108217353
>anon... you can literally download their data and the code to translate inputs into outputs. let me know how that makes them not a kind of DB.
hope this one sounded more insightful and profound in your head
>>108217373
>then please go read some of the history of cybernetics
explain in your own words. don't tell me to 'do my own research'. just try it please.
>because there can't be a middle point
there literally can't in this case. it can't be useless and simultaneously be replacing all jobs, also CEO are mocking it lol.

>>108217390
I know I'm arguing with a bunch of absolute retards who are unable to follow a basic conversation based on logic, knowledge and experience

I don't know why I keep coming here. you faggots assume and make up a lot of shit out of nowhere, and then argue against that because... reasons.

I'm out. not bumping this thread anymore. I'm glad to see american tech companies destroy themselves anyway kek

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>>108216897
>tiny sample size (less than 1000 people)
>theyre still almost within 1 point of each other
the scale is from 1 to 7

>>108217416
Goodbye

>>108216692
>"it does provide jobs to the locals"
it does provide jobs to pajeets

>>108216501
>The big change is that before, programming needed to follow strict rules. Now, there can be at least some fuzziness, which makes it enough to take into account things that might not have been coded with hard rules.
That is not how it works, at all.

>>108217416
You seem to be where I was a few years ago, just with more confidence. It is what it is.

>>108217440
>That is not how it works, at all.
How does it work?

>>108216436
Crash it! And then abolish fiduciary duty to shareholders forever.

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>>108216436
Good, let it all burn. I want to see executives and traders jumping out of skyscrapers to their deaths as it all implodes!

>>108216576
>they're definitely not just gonna let most of the population die and keep the rest around as glorified slaves
Yeah I'm sure the people who're needed to run all the actual infrastructure, the killer drones, etc., are just going to tolerate that. As soon as the mass of normies has died off and the elites no longer have a meat shield protecting them, the technician class is going to take over the killbots and wipe out the elites.

>>108216436
>dem dere data-senters dun did took ar jerbs!!

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>>108217447
Differently

>>108217468
If It was only art fags it would be worthwhile, it's gonna be everyone.

>>108217481
k

>>108217468
>should of

>>108217418
>black men are the only AI fans

>>108216530
amazon put a data center a mile from my place in my suburban yuropoor town
in the summer there's a deep vibration running even at night due to their air conditioning
it's a major pain in the ass, makes it very hard to sleep for me
nimbys are unironically correct in not wanting this
frankly if you read between the lines it's all city insectoids wanting everyone else to be as miserable as them
quoting a tweet from ANKIT GUPTA lmao. saar build the data centers for rent control saaaaar

>>108216436
based nimby

>>108216436
>Uhm you should let me ruin your community, pollute it, bring a bunch of my cousins from india and california at the cost of your living standards because if not my portfolio will crash saar ok? ok
Holy shit these people are god damn delulu

>>108216436
>too big to fail
this means the little guy is about to experience mass casualties
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OHQRo3Uz_VQ

>>108217631
This is what most people don't talk about they talk about electricity and water but noise pollution and vibrations are gonna fuck you up if you live within 3 miles of the fucking thing.
They basically create an unlivable wasteland in like a five miles radius unless you fucking love droning noises and your walls literally vibrating.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7_WDzPyoqU
NIMBYS are unironically correct here go build them at the bottom of the ocean or something

>>108216436
What's with Indians and their AI cargo cult? It's revolting.

>>108216886
You can be against both, you half-starved glavset prostitute. You're like a walking abortion..

>Is a 115IQ midwit
>Thinks he has a "right to exist"
lol
lmao

>>108217057
Enough of the population gets tricked into voting against their own interests because of culture war shit like
>>108216509
>>108216521
Shits been going on for decades, if not the paste century plus.

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>>108217289

I have zero investments, things can only get better (: