I've just started using Fedora KDE and it's gotta be the perfect OS. >Easy console commands and everything just werks. >KDE version gives the perfect desktop experience where everything is where it should be.>My 7 year old laptop feels fast again.What's not to like? And why do people use meme OS like Arch instead?
>>108226276I love you OP, good job! The only thing I don't like is: You didn't even use an original screenshot from your machine.
>>108226276different use case arch is far more flexiblethe thing i dislike most about fedora is it uses btrfs but doesnt give you a snapper/timeshift setup out of the box unlike arch/other distros. its much harder to roll back your system unless you're willing to learn how subvolumes/btrfs/snapshots work and set it upi would say these days cachyos is a better plasma desktop experiance than fedora but fedora has 20+ years history and corpo backing while cachyos has only ~5 i think
>>108226310And you are absolutely right about it.>>108226370Not a big fan of distrohopping to be honest. I gave a shot to Mint back then until nvidia drivers crashed everything. And coming back to linux feels greater than ever. And useless there is a serious reasons to do otherwise, I'll stay on Fedora.
>>108226410same reason i stay on fedora kde thats what i installed a year ago and it werks. but>having to mess around with third party repos for codecs/gpu drivers>no enabled snapshots from the moment you installare definitely huge drawbacks. the big plus imo is the perfect mix of stable and rolling like its mostly a point release but still gets stuff like plasma 6.6 and other important new stuff.also if you're on a laptop give niri a try, it's like 3 commands to install it on fedora as a second desktop in addition to plasma and i think for a laptop scrolling/tiling window managers make sense if you ever use the laptop with no mouse attached you can do most stuff so much faster with the keyboard than the trackpad
>>108226276>Easy console commandsdoes fedora have its own console commands?all I know is they use dnf as a package manager but the rest should be the same
>>108226725hes probably talking about how dnf mogs apt/pacman which it does
usecase for *krashes*?
>>108226276>why do people use meme OS like Arch instead?because its also a good distro. fedora KDE or a pre-configured arch-based distro like cachyOS KDE or endeavourOS KDE are the best desktop OS's. anything else is trash
Serious question - any advantages to using Fedora over Debian?
>>108226819>Debian on the desktopjust blow your brains out
>>108226819If you plan to actually use it, that's a good reason. Don't fall for reddit memes, and never use an incomplete OS for your daily use.
>>108226823Hush now. I was thinking of my laptopWhat do you use in the desktop? WIN11 with tOtALReCaLL?
>>108226823Debian rocks.
>>108226884>laptopby desktop I mean computer with mouse+keyboard>What do you use in the desktop?arch+hyprland>>108226888debian is absolute trash, use nixOS on server
>>108226276>why do people use meme OS like Arch insteadIm using my puter for games, CachyOS was the obvious choice for the peak updoooter experience.I dont know why Arch would be considered meme, it just werks.
GNOME > KuckDE by miles
>>108226370>different use case arch is far more flexible>the thing i dislike most about fedora is it uses btrfs but doesnt give you a snapper/timeshift setup out of the box unlike arch/other distros. its much harder to roll back your system unless you're willing to learn how subvolumes/btrfs/snapshots work and set it upFedora will "use" whatever filesystem you give it. You can bootstrap it and set up your own filesystem same as Arch, same as Debian, etc etc. Just because a distro comes with an installer with certain defaults, doesn't mean the distro is less flexible.
>>108226956>I dont know why Arch would be considered meme, it just werks.The problem is that you're acting like meme words have fixed meanings. OP is probably thinking of it in terms of "/g/ likes it" whereas you're probably thinking of it in terms of "you're retarded for using it".
KDE has been consistently shit for decades, and there's this weird following it's been getting on here for years despite it still not really improving in any meaningful manner. I guess it's more stable now, I'll give you that.
>>108227358>acting likeSorry Anon, but in what world "meme OS" means "/g/ likes it"? Dont be a retard.
>>108227384A meme can mean an idea that is widespread among the members of a particular community. It does not inherently mean it's bad.
>>108226819if you plan to use *krashes* stay away from debian or at least its stable branch, if not, theres not much of a difference, apt is faster and has more packages, while fedora is up-to-date. if you are newbie go for fed, because theres no babysit on deb.
>>108226823please enlighten us what's so wrong with using Debian (unstable) on the desktop and what exactly is better about Arch
>>108227433works for me, unironically not a single krash in over a year that wasn't caused by meusing Debian testing, Wayland and very recent AMD hardware
only distro where I actually get the krashes people talk about happening all the time
>>108226276>console commands
>>108226276arch kde is better than the fedora version, nigger faggot, but well done you're on the road to arch kde at least
>>108227852debian unstable is untested unstable garbage, you can cope all you want but arch has a testing branch and a regular arch isnt that. and then there are all the issues with installing packages on debian(-derived) distro's, just kys at that point
>>108228022>arch kdeI've considered this as an option, but give me a single valid reason why I should bother distrohopping when Fedora KDE just werks perfectly?
>>108226276A concern of mine is that Fedora is an RPM-based distro and WriterDuet only distributes DEB versions of their Linux app.
>>108229247>untested unstable garbagethat'd be arch, deb-unstable cleans that crap on support and stability, plus no aur malware. enjoy your time-sinking toy.enjoy your toy archtroon.
>>108230585like I said>cope all you want
>>108226802Where are these crashes? I have been using Fedora KDE for months and none so far.
>>108230585>unstable is actually stable>not having access to the aur is better than having itok
>>108226276I use the same on a 17 year old desktop
>>108226819Better support for newer Hardware if you need that. A working version of KeepassXC on their repos. COPRs tend to be more up to date than random Debian repos. DNF is much more Straightforward to use than APT.
>>108226276>*KRASHES*
>>108230856>Better support for newer Hardware if you need that. >>ifguess what, we dont.>A working version of KeepassXC on their reposi use that, works fine. great they removed internet connection for that one, dont want my pass-mang. making shady calls.>COPRs tend to be more up to date than random Debian reposis that their backport version? i can get newer stuff on stable by using that, by mixing the extra repos (for proprietary stuff) and enabling security i can get about anything fairly up-to-date and working more importantly.>DNF is much more Straightforward to use than APTit is way slower as well & with less packages.>>108230790>>108230774
>>108230915Post beef.
>>108230937i use debian on all my machines and only a handful of packages are backportedof those handful of backported packages, only a handful of the handful are backported regularlyif a specific package you need backported gets backported refularly (for me, that's openzfs) and you don't need up to dat software, go debian. if you do need up to date software, go fedora.i stay on debian stable or testing/sid because i don't like corpo OSs and i like how debian handles most things and it has more packages
>>108226725I don't get it either>>108226789??
>>108226789In what way? I am legit asking in good faith, I really do not notice a difference between any of them for package installation and support. Honestly, it's more annoying having to learn 3-4 different package management systems than using one.
>>108226276>What's not to like?Sometimes you install something and it still breaks your system>move to kinoiteNow your fedora kde doesnt break but youre limited to only the included packages (+flatpak) and it kinda sucks>so you move to bazziteNow your fedora kde lets you play games, but ironically it has lots of shitty little bugs compared to kinoite, upgrades happen slower, and the forum is full of curmudgeony boomers who won't help you.Youre right it's still better than the meme distros like arch though
>>108226276Non-configurable gestures
KDE doesn't really crash these days in fact it's more reliable than GNOME. The problem is that KDE is ugly as fuck and most apps you see are made with GTK and not that abomination Qt. Doesn't help that GNOME is unusable on desktop and its devs hate the users.
>>108229749can't you just run distrobox for edge cases?
>install KDE>love blur effects>set terminal to semi-transparent and blurred>glitches like crazy half the timeThat's how I ended up on GNOME, a half working feature is worse than not having it.
>>108226276Cinnamon looks better
>>108233472>Kate>PCSX2>Krita>Okular>Kdenlive>VLC?
>>108233897Even DaVinci Resolve uses Qt
Been using Fedora KDE since october and I've been quite pleased with it.Sometimes there's a minor crash or bug, most annoyingly getting a black screen after waking from sleep (though I gather this isn't specific to Fedora nor KDE), but overall my user experience has been smoother than with Windows 10.Only thing I did really miss so far was Visual Studio, my go-to IDE for C++ development. Trying out CLion now but as always a new IDE has a bit of a learning curve.Also, I wonder why they didn't include something like snapper out of the box when btrfs is the default filesystem. Seems like a missed opportunity.
>>108233933>most annoyingly getting a black screen after waking from sleepNVIDIA?
>>108233938Yeah, RTX4070.Is this the famous>nvidia sucks on linuxin action?
>>108233945Yeah NVIDIA's sleep service is crap. To fuck your black screen hit Ctrl+Alt+F1 (or F2 or F3 or whatever) until you get a console. Then log in as root and systemctl stop nvidia-resume && systemctl start nvidia-resume
systemctl stop nvidia-resume && systemctl start nvidia-resume
>>108233953To fix your black screen*
>>108229749toolbox create ubuntu or debian>>108233635fedora already has toolbx
i lurve u fedoar
>>108226276>And why do people use meme OS like Arch instead?ask pic related
>>108226276Wait till you learn about Atomic and Ublue
>>108226276>What's not to like? And why do people use meme OS like Arch instead?1) there is some fashion in linux as well. some distros/software in the past were considered "based" for whatever reason. i remember when gentoo, arch were trendy. now it's cachy os2) it's just a phase that ppl use those distros (some stay in that phase forever), just like emo subculture was in trend. usually after few years ppl calm down and either switch to distros with less pain in the ass, be that fedora/ubuntu/mint, or choose machaters gonna hate, but that's the truth behind those fashion distros, which are used by couple retards
>>108233897Other than Krita and VLC it's all literal who software. And VLC sucks, normal people use mpv. Or mpc-hc if they're Winchads. Okular is a piece of shit poppler garbage, same as gnome's pdf reader. Go be illiterate somewhere else. I use Hyprland with mostly GTK apps or shit built using their own toolkit like Fifefox or Chrome. Not Gnome because Gnome fucking sucks. KDE works fine but it and Qt are the ugliest things in modern computing. I want my software to look nice. Even Apple's Liquid Ass looks better.
There's always one annoying persistent issue for me. On the last version it was the dogshit maalit virtual keyboard krashing constantly and the settings panel didn't actually turn it off when switched to "None". Now that is fixed because maalit is just gone, but now when playing audio through any source on any device or channel I can't manipulate the volume even when paused. If I open a video at 30% volume I can only go up to 40% or back to 30% and that's it, I have to close the video completely to regain control over my volume.Wait I just figured out I can bypass this bug by using the volume slider, sliding it where I want, and right clicking. Then and only then it works. How do I even file a bug report for this shit and describe it properly? KDE bugs on Fedora are so fucking weird.
>>108239294What bothers me most is when the most lacking distros get pushed. I hate Windows because it's a mess and you can’t get any real control over it without trying it hard. Being able to debloat it and all that is beside the point. I just want a simple OS straight out of the box. Completely pretentious retards shilling for Gentoo or Arch fall into the same category. If I wanted to spend time fixing the OS, I’d have just kept using Windows.
>>108239572Are you the same retard who keeps calling KDE ugly? Just because you keep repeating it again and again won't make it more real.
>>108226276Fedora is based.KuckDE is dogshitThat is all.
>>108240529It's okay to be gay for almost 2 decades now. Suck as many cocks as you want, but do you have to keep posting about it?
I switched to KDE on Ubuntu today, so far it's not bad. But it's not like the difference to Gnome is gigantic.
>>108226276Never tried it because arch + xfce worked well enough that i stopped caring.
>>108226276>And why do people use meme OS like Arch instead?More software packages on Arch.
>>108226276fedora kde is annoying yet better than the alternative for what i do
>>108226975Nigga I have files saved to ~/Desktop but I have no desktop icons. Fuck Gnome.
>>108226276who the fuck is paying people to shill for fedora kde so hard? i swear, for the past few years there's a post about fedora kde every other day. it's not a good OOTB, justwerks distro (hence why a billion fedora derivatives exist to fix this), it's not a good "stable, doesn't break" distro (since redhat likes to push their shitware onto fedora users years before it's ready), and it's not a good power-user distro (like arch, gentoo, etc.), i genuinely don't get the appeal. dnf is slow as shit, copr fucking blows. i guess people like that it's a corpo distro, but in my repeated attempts at using it over the years, this has never actually translated to a feeling of polish or stability. only other reason i can see to use it is that it's the defacto GNOME distro, but it's always the KDE spin that gets shilled around here (funny thing is, for the longest time fedora was considered a shit kde distro too, i guess that finally changed?)
>>108241043arch unironically works out of the box better with the easy installer than fedora does, but people get insecure about not installing arch manually so it's never gonna be popular
>>108241970>arch unironically works out of the box betterAhahhahahahahahha
I use nixOS but honestly if it wasn’t an option I’d probably go for the fedora atomic distros
>>108243015explain to me how it doesn't, all you do is select kde in the retard proof installer and everything is done for you
>>108244257>and everything is done for youEven Secure Boot?
>>108240777>saved to ~/Desktoppleb tier behavior
>>108241043>i guess that finally changedEver since last year, Fedora KDE is no longer considered a spin as it got upgraded to a co-flagship edition of Fedora alongside the GNOME version.
>>108244353whats the usecase for secure boot
>>108244801Me being too lazy to disable it
>>108226819Debian is meant for servers. If you need rock stable distro to serve something for years, go Debian. For desktop usage? Nah.
>>108244849Debian 13 is great for desktop use
>>108244857Until it gets old, just like every other release.
>>108244865That's been a big issue in the last, but at this point Linux is mature enough that Debian 13's packages are gonna be just fine till Debian 14 comes.
>>108244876in the past*
>>108232943>if you do need up to date software, go fedora.or you could just use deb-testing, you can be sure things wont break and you'll get fairly updated software. fedora seems redundant, since you get a lot of updates inside of a short lived point realese model, not to mention, having to deal with redhat pushing crap. its better to stay on debian and getting proper lts and not having to worry about drastic changes so often.
>>108229690fair question.arch is just more vanilla and less opinionated and just a purer linux. less bullshit. far quicker and less painful install process. packages are reliable.
>>108229690also the community is just a lot bigger, and with that comes leverage in the wider tech world i.e. steam is based on arch. steam deck has arch installed. steam machine will probably be arch. the future is going to be arch whether anyone likes it or not at this point.arch won.
>>108245848Everytime I try to go on a 'hopping spree I end up in Arch or an Arch based distro. I think people are deathly terrified of 2 manual interventions a year and some package in the AUR they'll have to edit once or twice to get to actually install successfully by reading on a fucking comment section.
>>108246089I would STRONGLY advise beginners with Arch against using the AUR. I don't use it myself and I've been using it for about a year. I had a very bad experience with it a few years back and I don't like it anymore.Everything I need is in the official repos. The only time I needed something that wasn't in the repo, I could get it as an appimage (citra 3ds emulator).
>>108246089>2 manual interventionsdo you really even need to do yay -Syu twice a year?
>>108245835>>108246128>>108245848>*kill your bootloader*eh, nothing personal kido.
>>108246211who needs a bootloader where we're going
having said that, arch is the only distro i know of that lets you pick a bootloadersystemd-boot = based
>>108246129Not me but there could be the unlucky fuck that happens to install a very specific package and have a very specific piece of hardware and a bunch more coincidences related to every manual intervention needed.I guess some people also dislike that partial updates are not recommended on arch.>>108246128I think it's a good lesson (if they actually use Arch and not something like Manjaro).Mostly though, for very popular packages it's not such a bad idea. I think people should at least try to edit a pkgbuild once or twice. Thankfully the arch repository isn't barren enough to need AUR. I think I must have like 3 AUR packages tops.
When did Arch become the best distro?
>>108246221openSUSE does too.Their default is grub2-bls which is some dogshit. But they let you use systemd-boot in the install process (and with snapshot support too, and all the memes like encryption unlocking with TPM and all the stupid stuff). They also let you use classic grub2.
>>108246229serious answer would be around the time Valve basically became an Arch patronit gave a LOT of people the "green light"
>>108246229When archinstall started just fucking working (and it works great honestly, you can even do stuff like the gay snapper rollback setup that fedora fags won't give ya).
>>108246221Gentoo.
If Arch is so good can I use it as a server?
>>108246283yes, absolutely.>Is Arch designed to be used as a server? A desktop? A workstation?Arch is not designed for any particular type of use. Rather, it is designed for a particular type of user. Arch targets competent users who enjoy its 'do-it-yourself' nature, and who further exploit it to shape the system to fit their unique needs. Therefore, in the hands of its target user base, Arch can be used for virtually any purpose. Many use Arch on both their desktops and workstations. And of course, archlinux.org, aur.archlinux.org and almost all of Arch's infrastructure runs on Arch. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Frequently_asked_questions
Arch is solid because arch has a wiki that even fedora, debian and opensuse users use frequently. I can confidently say I must have avoided hundreds of pointless questions on threads about how to get something to work in different distros just by fucking heading to the arch wiki and looking that shit up. It's not a convoluted mess and it's not a whole bunch of nonsense you don't need to know either (no I'm not going to read the entire fucking manual). For that reason I respect arch.And also because it's a rolling release where I don't have to worry about petty shit like codecs but that's neither here nor there.
>>108230915womm
>>108246340>Arch is solid because arch has a wikianon, it's solid in spite of the wiki, not *because* of it. it's solid because the devs are fucking serious-ass people instead of clowns/jeets like the other main distro teams.
>>108226276>What's not to like? RPMsystemdupcoming digital ID hooks
FEDoraJust to make this clear right now a red hat employee is observing your collection of porn
>>108246358>like the other main distro teams.Debian's full of clowns too?
>>108246364>systemdMan I don't understand why people hate systemd so much. I've done a lot with it. Creating new services and all the customizability available is neither difficult nor complex.
>>108246507It's a massive binary in privileged space. It's a security nightmare and is quickly becoming a dependency for everything Linux desktop
>>108226276wobbly windows :^)
>>108246358>arch maintainers arent total incopetent clownsbait used to be believable.>>108246296no one uses arch for any serious task, get real. their kiss philosophy is an illusion to lurk in the midwits.
>>108246495Considering they're bleeding maintainers, yes.The only competent distros outside of esoteric choices are Arch and RHEL-adjacent.
>>108246507People on /g/ aren't tech literate enough to have ever written usable code. Don't take their opinion too seriously. Systemd has been a resounding success everywhere from hobbyist stuff to corporate.
>>108246611>no one uses arch for any serious tasktell that to Valve
>>108244402interesting. i remember this being discussed but didnt think it ever went anywhere. maybe i'll check it out
>>108246611>no one uses arch for any serious task, get real. their kiss philosophy is an illusion to lurk in the midwits.nigger
Does Cachy pull packages from Arch's repo or do they have their own with modified Arch packages?
