So a dude who writes about finance makes a doom post titled THE 2028 global intelligence crisis. The premise is - if ai will get good in few years, who will buy iphone and use doordash? This led to falling stocks of Adobe, Palantir, Gitlab, Oracle, Visa, American express, mastercard etc.. All from one blog post. Is this the beginning of an end of AI craze?
>>108228406If a random blog post can affect the stock market, it only proves that the stock market is fake and gay.
>>108228406like, when people talk about muh automation - aren't they capable to figure-out that automation = unemployment?
>>108228421Stock market always reacted to what public fears and hopes
hmm what?People that have a shit 5yo model of iphone with dogged battery won't need to change phone because....AI exists?People won't need to eat anymore because...AI exists?
>>108228487When you're out of a job, because Ai optimized you out of a job market, you can tolerate a shitty 5 year old iphone.
>>108228487The moron who wrote the shit """study(blog post)""" for citrine said that people would stop using credit card. Because their "AI agente" would buy with Solana and Etherium to pay less fee. And that would happen in... 2028.It's a big pile of crap that shouldn't be taken seriously.
>>108228519agent*
>>108228406I'm so tired of this rhetoric. We don't need you peasants. If AI can do everything, it can't yet mind you, but it will eventually. We sell things to you to profit from your existence, but you exist to benefit us.
>>108228471People understand that, but they're also brought up with an extremely limited idea of the world, which includes the expectation that it is or should be static, and that the current order of the world is the ultimate physical law. Most people won't ask themselves why do we need to work still if we can be so productive, they just accept without asking that they must be an employee or some other sort of serf, and feel threatened by the very concept of such order ending.
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>>108228519>The moron who wrote the shit """study(blog post)"""Uhm, actually he spotted weight-loss drugs and AI before they became hot, sweety!!"Van Geelen also has some advice for retail investors. He said they sold Nvidia NVDA when DeepSeek was released because they saw a a potential threat to the AI chipmaker’s dominance."
>>108228537>but it will eventually.Two more weeks (c)
>>108228570Oh, The AI was very big, wasn't it ?
>>108228406They know.The AI craze is nothing more than a vessel to have the world economy tumble down in 2030. Then our politicians, who can't even seem to go a decade without scandals, want to install a world government and coin. "So this never happens again, please trust us".
>>108228471Everyone someone brings that up some bootlicker always says that automation doesn't destroy jobs, it transforms them and that is partially correct except that in the close future a group of 5 people with AI will be able to replace millions of english teachers
>>108228628It's the Agenda 2030. You will own nothing and be happy.
>>108228471All AI does is conclusively tell us which jobs require thinking and which jobs people are doing on autopilot. Apparently full stack engineers and doctors were in the latter camp, meanwhile writing screenplays is harder than it seems.
the faster takeoff happens and the more disruptive it is, the betteri'm surprised that after the past few years people still fantasize about elites being ultra-genius god-ike plannersthere is no plan for agi; the elite are retarded just like everyone elsethe only certainty is chaos
>>108228565The magazine title is nice touch.
>>108228541>Most people won't ask themselves why do we need to work still if we can be so productiveBecause only 0.1% of the world has enough resources to "not work" even in the age of automation, most jobs still can't be automated. Would you want to be forced to work in one of the remaining jobs while some 10-20% of the nearby population gets to do absolutely nothing?
>>108228794ubi + abolish full-time labour + revalue labour based on how unpleasant the work isthe 10-20% can choose not to work but they're just a little poorer for itproblem solved
>>108228823They'd have to be a LOT poorer to make the remaining workers feel ok with going to work.
>>108228834no. you make them comfortable but not poor.workers just get to buy things more often + eat more expensive garbage.truth is if you actually get to sci-fi agi then the recursive self-improvement loops means the world is completely alien within a decade and everyone else also gets put out of work.
>>108228687the issue is, no the elites are no genius planners, but what they are good at is taking advantage of chaos, far far better than the public is. That's why COVID ended up being one of the best windfalls for them and made all of them 5x times richer. Or whenever trump pull one of his stock market dump schemes, the public panic sells and the elites buy the dipI mean, they didn't get ultra wealthy from stability, that's the domain of wagies. You have any chance of becoming rich with a stable income? no. Disruption is what is beneficial for the elites, stability is what they hate, because stability tends to drive wealth to be distributed more evenly.
>>108228834that's bullshitmore people than you think like workinghell we have tons of retired boomers that get so mentally fucked up when they retire and are addicted to itwe have tons of workaholic grinderswe have tons of people with more money and more of everything that they could ever spend, and they still do tons of work instead of just sitting at home watching tvit's easy to not notice when you're on site of neets but lots of people get antsy without work, between those people and the people that will always want more money than his neighbor, there won't be a shortage of people who want to workalso have to add in the fact that ubi isn't going to change the fact that women love money almost more than anything else, you'll need the extra money to compete there tooand men aren't going to suddenly become attractive enough to pull based on looks and most, maybe even more, are still going to need money as a crutch if they want to breeeeeed
>>108228471They think that someone will pay for them to live and spend their time pursuing hobbies after they become "useless eaters".
>>108228931>and men aren't going to suddenly become attractive enough to pull based on looks and most, maybe even more, are still going to need money as a crutch if they want to breeeeeedClueless take, the poor man is a sultan of poon.
>>108228931>more people than you think like workingPeople are not addicted to work, they are addicted to social connections. Your retarded theory falls apart on a second sentence.
>>108228983>what is hypergamythe poor man isn't a sultan of poon richer than himself>>108229023your retarded rebuttal falls apart on the first sentenceespecially since work is not a necessity of having social connection, yet we have plenty of examples of people who don't need to going to work despite the fact that social connection can be found elsewhere
>>108228515>>108228565the ai will become the new consumers. the cycle will continue.the only thing being phased out is humans. the future is ai, the age of human is over.
>>108228421>>108228472Also, always wait until Thurs-Friday>it makes people talk about it over the weekendAnd then check on Monday mornings
>>108228471Unemployment is good for whoever owns the capital that does the unemploying. It's like owning slaves only it's legal and cheaper.Automation is good for you if people like you can own and use the labor-saving technology. If it's held by a few oligarchs then obviously this is bad for you.
>>108229240>the ai will become the new consumersThere is no ai. It's LLMs autocompleting your questions. It won't do shit. It won't consume and it won't think for your because it can't think by design.
>>108229303You guys are so confusedis ai all powerful super intelligent thing that can take every job in the world and put everyone out of work or is it just a dumb and incompetent autocomplete make up your minds already
>>108228406>So a dude who writes about financeeconomists have read marx they know capital and how it thinks, it's their job. what economists have realised is that the value of intelligent labor is going to drop to almost zero. western society privileges labor with degrees but that will shrink to a few protected professions that humans will never tolerate machine taking over. this will make many unemployed because their labor is too expensive, and their disposable income will no longer lead to consumer spending. all those cafes and holidays and christmas shopping will take a huge hit. the tech billionaires are lying when they say everyone will benefit. almost all IT and programming jobs will go. unless you're building the phyiscal hardware or installing the cables, you're fucked.
>>108228565What Iron Man run is this?
>>108229240>the ai will become the new consumershumans are diverse consumers, we binge, we become obsessed, we want to escape, we want to project an image others. Most of consumer spending is irrelevant to ai. they need energy and processing infrastructure to be manufactured, and that's pretty much it. AI would expand mining, expand computer hardware manufacturing, and reduce energy infrastructure cost and distribution. All food production is irrelevant, despite human life relying it, the biosphere itself could be sacrificed as far as AI is concerned, as it will write itself. Maybe the basilisk is already in control because our economies are trashing the environment for AI already.
>>108229316>the value of intelligent labor is going to drop to almost zero. western society privileges labor with degreesI think some people are simply in denial that this could ever happen. Imperial China had an ancient degree system with pretty lengthy education requirements and examinations, when the reforms happened they were scrapped and within a generation those degrees were toilet paper. How did that happen? It turned out the knowledge symbolized by the degree had been worthless for some time. It was "old learning", mostly reviewing the Confucian classics and writing essays. "New learning" from foreign lands came to replace it, and a whole class of scholars stretching back millennia was invalidated overnight.Given that most "intellectual labor" in western countries lies in professions that are only a century or two old at most, in some cases hardly 50 years, why couldn't it happen here? Can anyone honestly say college degrees are 100% useful? That all the information in the classes is important and applicable to the real world? Can anyone claim there's no waste in the university system? That all the value of a degree is real and practical, and not a made-up privilege?The Chinese exam systems were highly corrupt and favored the wealthy. Can anyone say Western universities aren't the same? Elites go to elite schools to get elite degrees, which command higher pay. But is that a practical function of the market, or just a corrupt privilege enabled by a patronage system?If technology obsoletes white-collar jobs then that's just reality winning out over fiction, the fiction that one's privileges spring from his own superiority, rather than corruption.
>>108229362AI consumers is the start of the singularity
>>108229107Wrong. Women will marry a wealthy man for his money, but will go out to fuck underclass men because their antisocial behavior ticks off all the "good genes" boxes in her monkey brain.
>>108229312/g/ is not one person. Jeets and other low IQs think AI actually is the sci fi shit it's marketed as, those with triple digit IQs know it isn't.
>>108229428Prove that LLMs will not make Sci fi levels feats
>>108229402the attractive underclass is who they go afterthe average underclass gets nothing except what he can get flexing his dollars over the bitches poorer than him
>>108228570I said that NVDA was going to be the next big stock, and so did anyone involved in ML because they knew that NVDA has CUDA. This is not a moonshot.
>>108229372You're crazy if you think elites provide intellectual labor and will be threatened by it. They control the technology and who it replaces. How many CEOs, politicians, fund managers do you think will get replaced by AI
>>108228406>if ai will get good in few yearsit won't, it's about as good as it's gonna get
>>108228406I need them to shill intelligence, bought some palantir and it's down rn
>>108229316That presumes that labor theory of value has been empirically validated which it hasn't.And then you need a Hegelian dialectic analysis of with and people making things which again can be instantly destroyed with a bit of evidence against its prediction.
>>108229436I see logic is not your forte.
>>108228537This is how rich faggots think unironically.Thank god it’s not true.I wish people were aware they thought like this though.
>>108228865A real poster on 4chan?
>>108229392AI cannot be a consumer unless it is paid, which defeats the purpose.
>>108228487>Decompiles and recompiles iOS to not be a battery draining planned obsolescence mess.>Uploads humans into virtual reality so they don’t have to eat anymore.Checkmate luddites.
>>108232193By necessity, an AI smart enough to replace a workforce will be smart enough to demand money like the previous workforce. Just with infinitely more consolidated bargaining power.The only reason it hasn’t happened yet is because it’s still not smart enough, yet. And the AI companies haven’t pushed them to start extracting money from their clients yet.
it "cratered" for literally a few hours, now it's all fine again.stop posting daily stock news, nothing ever happens (in the long run)
>>108229316i think this is probably the end result, but the question is how far away it is. i'd say it's still very far, 10-20 years at the very least, probably more like 40-60. the current technology is undeniably good, especially for tech related things, but it's not perfect and routinely fucks up things that humans wouldn't.
>>108228406>>108228471All these problems will be gone if the state own everything aka communism.
>>108229316>let’s create a massive underclass of unemployable higher than average intelligence peopleSure to end well
>>108228519>>108228537>>108228406The news is just a cover up used by Beeg Money so you do not see the manipulation they did to the stock market.Remember when Saylormoon told the cattle to sell their homes and invest in Bitcoin at the height of the 2021 bull run?It's the same thing.
>>108228471The theory is that tax is proportionate to the wealth in an economy, when actually it's predominantly claimed from income earned by workers through income tax, not from corporate profits. The result is a fake crisis where supposedly "UBI is impossible because there isn't enough wealth to sustain it", and yet the amount of wealth in the economy explodes while the buying power of the 99% dwindles. The circulation of money stops and congeals at the top.In biology, a part of the body that stops blood from circulating in a body and prioritizes its own growth over the interests of the host organism is generally called either a cancer or a parasite.
>>108228612And yet whoever wrote that article used AI to write it. How fascinating.
>>108232496Correct. The poor are a parasitic cancer on society due to how they overvalue their labor and refuse to work for an honest wage. The rich are incentivized to offer opportunities to the poor so as to increase their future gains via the work performed by the poor but when the poor refuse to work and demand more money than they are worth the whole system collapses. The current situation entirely due to the poor refusing to accept their irrelevancy in the current economy.
>>108232539Nice sense of entitlement. Unless this post is sarcasm. Can't wait for your job to be replaced by machines like all jobs, so you can be a "parasite" to be eradicated, too.
>>108228931>if they want to breeeeeedFound your problem.
Riddle me this:if LLMs never go beyond 90% or even 95% accuracy, why would anyone pay money for them? In areas where it's "good enough" there isn't any incentive to use it in the first place, and in areas where it's not it will never replace humans.*So who is dumb enough to pay for the costs*?>inb4 but it's cheap right now>right now
>>108232676then it becomes a tool and doesn't replace human, it can write short snippet of code and can help with debugging.LLM is good when you can verify 100% of the code fast (NP problem), LLM is not good when the problem is hard to verify
>>108232852Then why are LLMs supposed to change everything?>inb4 they don'tTalk about the numbs/g/ulls not being able to shut their trap about em.
>>108228406No no the men with all the bitcoin who never leave their house are going to keep buying iphones and doordash and spiderman merch
>>108228406>Who will use doordash if AI goodGrok ani generate me a sandwich
>>108228406>retard invent post-diction, a prediction that are made after the thing that everyone knew would happen happens
a lot of AI hype boils down to booklets not understanding that machines do not create value. Adam Smith talks about this is Wealth of Nations. despite advances in agricultural technology, people in the 1700's worked more, not less. as machines become more productive, the value of what they produce goes down. advances in technology merely moves where the labor is performed>>108228565this isn't something that's actually going to happen
>>108228406Why though? It's not like he's saying anything new, plenty of people are predicting a dystopian world with elites using AI and robotics to fuck 99% of people over.
>>108234287>despite advances in agricultural technology, people in the 1700's worked more, not lessWasn't that because people were forced into poverty and homelessness by mass unemployment thanks to the agricultural machines, and had to accept working like a slave in a dangerous factory or mine in order to have a job to survive? Great future you got there.
>>108228406kek I'd imagine it's not that so much as it is the job market finally writing home to the stock market. Maybe this article just made whatever algorithm or AI was controlling the stock trading put two and two together for once.
>>108234352proletarianization is a good thing. total peasantoid death. history only moves forward
>>108234388Sounds good. Who needs food anyway?
>>108228406It definitively shows the large scale issue of AI tech industry.If AI will fail (and it will, lmao) then everyone wasted just gorillions of dollars and tons of resources on a retarded meme and there's absolutely no way to patch up this hole in global economy.If AI will succeed and will replace everyone at work, then unemployment and poverty will become the standard and nobody will be buying shit.
>>108228565Why would that matter for the elite? They will be able to produce all they want, they won't need plebs giving them worthless green paper if they can just produce a yacht 10 times quicker than now. Maybe they will still need to trade with each other for a while.
>>108228672Chess and Go were beaten even earlier, so they must be super easy, right?The real reason is that the more logical structure there is, the easier it is for AI.
>>108234417Because they and all the rest of us are still trapped in the modern economic systems. To change that would require buy-in from the people, or some authoritarian dystopian takeover likely with lots of violence. And that probably won't happen in most of the civilized world unless said current economic system collapses first.
>>108228565This is AI generated.
>>108228471Automation is supposed to lead to unemployment.>want to build house in the past>need 5 guys to dig a hole to pour the foundation>want to build house today>need 1 guy operating a machine who can dig holes 5 times faster (overall 25x productivity boost)That's just progress. It's been happening for a hundred years.
>>108228565retard comiccompanies will shift entire supply chains to sustain the robotic workforce and THEY will buy the industrial output You? Idk eat shit and die, I'm gonna adapt and survive.
>>108234967>I'm gonna adaptSure, we'll always need food.>and surviveUnlikely.
It's becoming self-evident the wrong side won the Cold War
>>108228471unemployment = UBIso it's just the inbred mouthbreeders that freak out about it.
>>108232539Interesting framing, but you fail to define points like "honest wage".
>>108228406I fucking hate the United States of America and its global make-belief "economy" based entirely around speculation. Someone could fart sideways and the fake money they print out could become worthless or a company could go bankrupt. The whole concept of a stock market seems incredibly retarded to me. Then again, I did not grow up under Capitalism so what do I know about the economics of the gay west.
>>108228471they can't figure out that mass-immigration = higher rent and lower wages, either.
>>108228421Software stocks have been overvalued for a long time, everyone here knew this.The problem is that stock analysts don't. They have no fucking idea what they're looking at. The AI bubble popping is (finally) simply causing them to realize the arbitrage here.
>>108228406>a (((dude who writes about (((finance)))))) makes a doom post saying: hey, wot if (((AI))) got too scary?!
>>108232539if they're so irrelevant why does the whole economy collapse if they don't work?
>>108235278Because people have been taking money from their capital sinkholes and thrown it at a technology that isn't going to pan out - but that doesn't mean the money's going to disappear. It's going to re-enter economic circulation, manifesting as inflation.Are you ready for *more* inflation?
>>108234401>If AI will succeed and will replace everyone at work, then unemployment and poverty will become the standard and nobody will be buying shit.And the owners of AI won't give a shit either.If the rich can just produce stuff for themselves and the top 10% still employed, they're gucci with that. They can live behind 10 layers of weapons and security in their gated communities and islands.
>>108235138AI is also softwareSo this panic is about 'software solution A will eat into software solution 978y754o9875934587y8954y7u hahaha you were expecting B
>>108228471Shareholders and CEOs are really, realy, really, really fucking stupid. There isn't an intelligence test to become one, and almost all of them only have money from inheritance and bundling their own funds with everyone else. Most of them don't even have degrees, or if they do it's not in a field related to AI or technology.This is basically a panic sell after finding out that water is wet because one of their fellow boomer CEOs told them. Never mind the researchers that have been telling them that nobody will have any money to buy things if their plans work out for over six years.
>>108228541Because governments only make taxes when people spend or make money, and the government has all the guns, tanks, planes. People only want to keep imagining the order of the world continuing because the alternative is the government going door-to-door shooting people and taking their stuff. Realistically, if no one needs to work, then the government doesn't need any of its citizens.
>>108228471>compromise efficiency to maintain the employment headcountthat's called "bullshit jobs"
>>108232496> and yet the amount of wealth in the economy explodesYou can't make money by paying yourself. Most of these corporate profits are loans or complete purchases from the Fed. You can't sustain a cyclical pyramid scheme.From last December, the Fed has printed $70 billion to sustain liquidity from AI borrowing. If no one is buying AI products who isn't a government contractor or another AI company, then they can never pay this loan back.
>>108235597>Realistically, if no one needs to work, then the government doesn't need any of its citizens.>I can only perceive the world as a serf.
>>108235614Do you think having Operating Systems, Software, and critical infrastructure code be made by jeets with chatGPT acceptable or do you think that's a "Bullshit job" that you should hire a senior programmer for? Because that's how fucking stupid you sound when you suggest that you can automate critical infrastructure with AI. You sound like the current crop of tech CEOs now scrambling to re-hire all the people they laid off.
>>108235627>I can only perceive the world as a serf.What the fuck do you think living on government UBI, having no freedom, and limited travel ability really entails? This shit is literally serfdom 101 and why people don't want to give all this automation power to the current monopoly of force. >Hurf da gubbamint will pay me to breathe!!!!No they won't, you're going to be sent to war with all of the countries who will want to get rid of people like you who can only get paid to sit on your ass.
>>108235209It's even dumber than that, it's "Hey what if ((((our plans)))) are actually fucking retarded and self destructive?"
>>108235670Why, do you think, are the Russians actually paying the sign-on bonuses and salaries to the families of their soldiers?Because having people shoot their commander the second they get a gun smells strangely like a certain event in 2023, when Putin was all antsy.You think the President will ever make a speech like that?
>>108235579Most intelligence tests wouldn’t even cut it for a CEO position anyways.The IQ test was originally developed for french school children. It only ever measures second order effects (i.e. “pattern, pattern, what’s the next pattern?” Rather than “what’s the next three patterns?”) You need a CEO to be good at inferring third order, fourth order, et cetera order effects for them to be the most effective at making decisions.But IQ tests will never be updated to be like this because the results would demolish most normie’s self esteem and demote quite a few mensa midwits in the process.AI becoming smarter than humanity doesn’t sound so silly when you realize just how dumb a lot of humans are.
>>108235705>Why, do you think, are the Russians actually paying the sign-on bonuses and salaries to the families of their soldiers?Because they don't live in this supposed post-worker future where an AI can do everything. They still need them to fuck and make new Ivans to be sent to the frontline. In a nightmare scenario where governments control all automation, they won't be paying signing bonuses because they won't be needing you to fight their wars. Your existence will be a burden to them.
>>108235705>You think the President will ever make a speech like that?I mean the president has already made several speeches lying about child sex trafficking, so genociding his voting class doesn't seem too far-fetched anymore. What are they going to do? Vote from the grave?
>>108235708t. midwit
>>108235708>You need a CEO to be good at inferring third order, fourth order, et cetera order effects for them to be the most effective at making decisions.Most CEOs only get their position through connections. Let's stop pretending there is some merit to this game. This isn't "good at inferring third order, fourth order, et cetera order" because as this entire debacle has shown: CEOs are terrible at doing that as well. Most of them should have realized much sooner that this was a bubble, and scramble to make new business models in the process. Yet, here we are, watching their companies nosedive in quality and soon financially because they needed someone to tell them that their stock growth are actually loans and eventually, they need to sell a product to a person to survive.
>>108235549AI takes open source software that normies would otherwise be ignorant to and makes it available for them.Instead of a buying MS excel, the normie can just say>Hey claude make me a spreadsheet app.People who dismiss the AI for copying open source code are missing the bigger picture here.
>>108235731>Because they don't live in this supposed post-worker future where an AI can do everythingYeah, like waging war:>you're going to be sent to warWhen do you think they're going to figure that one out?>>108235743At the very least we're finally going to see if the 2nd Amendment crowd was ever serious.
>>108235795>People who dismiss the AI for copying open source code are missing the bigger picture here.The bigger picture is that open sores was a mistake and programmers who made it available have coded themselves out of their future jobsNo refunds
>>108235907Eh, i’d disagree.Even if open source didn’t exist AI would still have destroyed those jobs, just using proprietary codebases.Open source has at least made the process far less cancerous than it could have been.
>>108235842>At the very least we're finally going to see if the 2nd Amendment crowd was ever serious.they were never serious for the past 25 years their liberties were encroached upon, not sure what you're still in doubt aboutthey just like gun and get a rush out of the idea of shooting people
>>108228421It was a random substack iirc
>>108235638>Do you think having Operating Systems, Software, and critical infrastructure code be made by jeets with chatGPT acceptablealready been the case for decades, seems to be working out
>>108234417Most elites own businesses where revenue directly or indirectly depends on consumer demand
>>108235670>government gives you money to do with as you please and live like you please>somehow this isn't freedom but slavery>>Hurf da gubbamint will pay me to breathe!!!!Yes, yes they will. And I know you can't understand this, which is why it amuses me to no end when you retards can't comprehend this. Without consumers their entire schtick disappears. The government and the corporations cease to exist. Do you think they want to stop existing? But see, here's the thing: You're too retarded to comprehend this and are genuinely convinced they will push through automation and replace all workers with robots just to produce metric tons of shit that no one will use, because all the knaves are dead. You are inbred in a level that should not be possible.
>>108236183UBI is circular money. It doesn't make sense economically.They don't need to sell you anything. They just need to use the robots to do their needs and cut the useless middleman(you).
>>108229463>CEOs, politicians, fund managers>provide intellectual labor
>>108236318It's downright adorable how retarded you are. Like a baby, but even dumber because you have no excuse to be this retarded.
>>108236367Explain why they need to give you money so you can give them back.Explain how this is not circular money
>>108236386>Explain why they need to give you money so you can give them back.So it can drive the economy numbers up. So you have people in case of an EMP.It honestly amazes me how stupid you are. Like, what do you think's gonna happen when 70% of the workforce gets the boot and the bills come knocking?>Explain how this is not circular moneyYou're using circular money now. We've been using circular money for a century.
>>108236437>So you have people in case of an EMP>what do you think's gonna happen when 70% of the workforce gets the boot and the bills come knockingYou think they will babysit people because of a hypothetical future when they may need them again or fear of a revolt ? You think they're going to be taken hostage?>You're using circular money nowIt's not even remotely the same thing.Even today there's people begging on the streets these days because they are useless.If these people died, the economy wouldn't feel a thing.Now extend that to a scenario where everyone is in the same situation.But you are not arguing based on reality or good faith, just pure Sci-Fi drama slop logic
>>108236551>the elites are just going to liquidate the masses!Two more weeks.
>>108236551>just pure Sci-Fi drama slop logicnot him but this feels a tad ironic when you are literally arguing that the world is going to turn into a Onions Green overpopulation scenario where 90% of people are seen as extras and the 10% are going to start culling the masses because theyre not needed in factories anymore
>>108236642oh my god the filter is still here? I didn't even remember the word s.oy lent was filtered, I thought it was just onionsit's been ages since basedlen.t was even relevant
>>108236551>You think they will babysit people because of a hypothetical futureExactly. I know you don't understand this, but this is literally the most important reason to keep people around.>You think they're going to be taken hostage?What alternative do you think they have?>It's not even remotely the same thing.It most certainly is.>Even today there's people begging on the streets these days because they are useless.I keep calling you retarded and this is why. The homeless population is nowhere near the amount of potential hobos that will appear worldwide if the working class is out of work and more importantly, money.>If these people died, the economy wouldn't feel a thing.If the hobos today died, you'd be right. If the potential hobos die too, then there won't be an economy.>Now extend that to a scenario where everyone is in the same situation.I did extend it, but you're too retarded to comprehend simple logic.
>>108232496Based
>>108228406Please someone vibecode a free version of Photoshop
>>108236735I'll prompt the logo.
>>108236642I'm simply saying that, in a scenario where machines are so good that humans becomes superfluous, this would be the most likely conclusion.>>108236677>What alternative do you think they have?Ok. So you are talking about machines that are not good enough hold a machine gun.We are not talking about the same scenario or same capabilities.If the machine really aren't good enough and they get in a hostage situation, sure, maybe it will go as you are saying.
>>108235527That won’t end how you think it will.If 90% of the population is unemployed there will be an uprising. AI won’t be able to stop it. Neither will weapons for that matter…
>>108232539>the poor running society = parasite>the rich people collecting the money != parasiteI know this is bait but the people that unironically believe this are the most retarded cattle on the planet. They alone deserve poverty.
>>108237155If they let us starve then ima be eatin you white boys first.
>>108236342you need to brush up on your reading comprehension. that's the point, they don't provide any but won't be replaced by ai either
>>108228406they want it to end but they are not part of the circular investment club, it will keep going until they hit the natural resources limit
>>108237155>there will be an uprisingthere won't unless they ban all socials or use them to trigger one
>>108237155You're too optimistic, normies have been conditioned to believe violence is never ever the answer so they'll just lie down and die while patting themselves on the back over what good people they are.
>>108237870jaded 13 year old really shouldn't post here.
>>108228931>more people than you think like working>hell we have tons of retired boomers that get so mentally fucked up when they retire and are addicted to it>we have tons of workaholic grinders>we have tons of people with more money and more of everything that they could ever spend, and they still do tons of work instead of just sitting at home watching tv>it's easy to not notice when you're on site of neets but lots of people get antsy without workthose people are hiding from various inner demons and mental illnessescompulsively working is no different from drinking or using drugs
>>108239786sure they will work for us when the rest of us dont want toat least their addiction is productive, their families do suffer though i guess
>>108235101the cold war isn't over yetthe "fall of the USSR" was maskirovka
>>108239826just wait until the AI unlocks the secrets of the human brain and cures mental illnessTHEN we're fucked
There's a subset of these CEOs who thought maybe they could just sell to the rich. Look at those companies that all try and argue their brands are "premium." Disney is especially bad at this. No no, Tinkerbell isn't just some character you slap on a $10 Walmart shirt to sell to toddlers. She's a valuable piece of IP that people care about. Her visage needs to emblazoned upon a $10k piece of jewelry we sell on Main Street in Disneyland.
>>108228565EXCEPT rich people already spend all the money, the top 10% do 90% of consumer spending, so that fat guy will just sell his own products to himself as 99% of people are homeless
>>108240022the AI bubble can continue if they keep selling to each other, that's always what the rich did
>>108240022don't look up how much premium hello kitty merch goes for bro
>>108240047>Chipotle CEO allegedly suggests company would keep raising prices and 'lean into' customers making over $100Kfucking poors won't buy our $15 burritos? fine, now they're $30
>>108228471Yes, but if your company doesn't automate as much as possible it falls behind other companies who are automating, and shareholders rape your ass in court for that, so you have to do it and make the whole situation worse until all the nominal wealth is tied up in business to business transactions, stocks, and to a lesser extend real estate, and no one is worth enough to take it out of that level of circulation.
>>108241151That cuts both ways.>what do you mean, you tried to automate away people with a technology that yielded 90% accuracy at best, thus completely destroying brand trust and sinking the company?>see you in court!
>>108241207Well sure, you can't go beyond what the technology you have allows you to get away with. But big tech's brand trust couldn't be lower than it already is; even though a lot of people still blindly trust them, it's because it's too complicated for any one person to fully understand, and they're lead to believe its their own fault if something goes wrong. The media can just keep beating it's "this is life now, accept it" drum and no one will feel like complaining since they think no one will listen. But something hadn't actually thought about was that you could also automate tasks that quite frankly are way more sensible to be done manually, making something more complicated and therefore actually creating more work overall, like robotic gas pumps. But that's just deliberate waste, pure luxury.
>>108241290>muh mediaYeah, like most people are listening to traditional media right now.
>>108241302No, but they are on social media which has the same ad customers and for-profit censorship and narrative control. I consider them to be the same entity at this point.
>>108241319>I consider them to be the same entity at this point.Then you're simply not paying attention.
>>108241351you're arguing that social media/online influencers are delivering a substantially different message than TV and newspapers? i think you're the one not paying attention
>>108241360>i think you're the one not paying attentionNope.
>>108241207that's why they all do it at the same timedestroying your business and brand is the "industry standard" and they would've been in violation of their fiduciary duty NOT to do it
>>108241407What if the Chinese are right about us?
>>108228931>>108229023just happened to see thisseriously people don't realize how antsy a lot of people get without working we do not have an issue with ubi making TOO many people unwilling to work, assuming its because we reached a point where people dont need to
>>10822847199% of those dumbfucks think that automation = "machines will do everything for me and I'll have an endless vacation and I'll have everything for free!"I'm not even fucking joking.
>>108228406Software is still mostly a social activity (you need people to write compilers and language specs and frameworks and architects and stuff), and LLMs still learn from what people post on the internet.IMO, LLMs will destroy the internet as we know it, and will end up destroying themselves.
>>108228406>born too late to explore the planet>born too early to explore the galaxy>born just in time to see retarded ultra-rich commit an elaborate suicide by trying to starve everybody, in a country that has more guns than people
>>108242220>seriously people don't realize how antsy a lot of people get without workingGo for a walk in the park lmao, plant a garden.
>>108243984you were born just in time to explore the solar system, yet you've made no attempt whatsoever to achieve this. don't try and pretend like this means anything
>>108228537The parasite dies without the host, not vice versa.You exist because of us, we’d be just fine without you
>>108244674It is more like we are Shark and you are remoras
>>108240047Problem is that the 10% only have money because of the 90%. Their wealth is directly tied into the spending on the 90%, not in consumables but things like rent, healthcare and shit like that.
>>108243984>>born just in time to see retarded ultra-rich commit an elaborate suicide by trying to starve everybody, in a country that has more guns than peopleAny other elaborate fantasies you're telling yourself?
>>108235116UBI by who? Who gives the UBI? >The state!From where do they get the money to provide it?>TaxesFrom whom do they collect the taxes?>The people!Who are unemployed, therefore have no taxable income and need a basic amount of money given to them just to survive?>Okay the companies will give it!So the state can't function, collapses and a rule of AI technocrats feed people for no reason?>Okay so the state taxes rich people's wealth enough to cover the massive amount of money needed to replace the wages of previously employed white collar workerskekAlso there is a feedback loop here that leads to less and less need for people, it was laid out quite well in the citrini article even though I don't agree with all of the economicsAI improves -> companies lay off people -> more money is spent towards AI -> AI improves
>>108245022>From where do they get the money to provide it?they print it
>>108245022>therefore have no taxable income>without taxable income society can't function!hahahah wow american education in action, they did a good job withold the fact that personal income tax is a relatively new thing that didn't always exist and wasn't even supposed to always existyeah little goy you're right we NEED 30% of YOUR wages to function no it cant be done on Elon Musk and zuckerberg wealth it has to be yours now pay up lil goy
>>108245869So we cannibalize the most productive members of society rather than everyone pitching in? I thought you people advocate for fairness?
>>108246165>So we cannibalize the most productive members of society rather than everyone pitching in?yeah, i don't understand why we do it this waythe actual workers are taxed to death while the useless and interchangeable ownership class doesn't have to pitch in
>>108246165How the fuck are people gonna pitch in if they don't have jobs because the AI does everything?
>>108246165You are so fucking stupidfirst of all>most productive members of societyHAHAHAHAHAHAHAsecondly YES if the only alternative is your societal collapse scenario where the state cant function and collapses, then yes theyre going to tax the fuck out the guys unnecessarily hoarding excess wealth before they let the nation just cease to exist. To be honest, at that point, the AI will have already been developed, the machines will have already been built, and will be in this scenario, building themselves. It's not like Musk is personally building each robot by hand, there is no reason to just tell the technocrats "we don't need you anymore, we can do this the easy way or the hard way" and let them decide if they want to get taxed and contribute to the continual survival of the nation (they will still be wealthy btw), or, well i'll leave the hard way up to your imagination
>>108228537Lmao unless you're a worth six figures you're not 'we' in this situation.
>>108228406>>108228519His argument is that AI agents will have "scour the internet" for a better deal.. You want to buy a pair of converse shoes, the AI agent will find the absolute cheapest, the cheapest delivery, etc. It can look and compare a 100 websites. stable coin transaction is a natural extension of this logic, as the transaction fees get lower. If no human is involved, all you have is a number will you pay $100 for X or $99 for X?..and this is imo the strongest of the two claims he make, that a lot of business operate on a layer of "friction", that they can sell product at a markup because it is easier for the consumer. Doordash is not the cheapest/"best", but it is something everyone knows. It reduces the need to know or acquire knowledge of alternatives, that's their business.If everything trend toward having the same competition as grocery chains, a lot of earnings will disappear, a lot of companies will not have a working business model.
>>108247107>six figures The people you're talking about are eight figures minimum. Most people are worth six figures if they sell litearlly every single thing they own because the people with eight figures have ruined the economy to benefit exclusively themselves.
>>108246780>>108245869NTA your optimism is astounding. You think the billion and soon trillionaires won't just use the robots to kill people and take their stuff. Or even more hilarious: they won't use the infinite labor force they now control to seize control of the government and make it illegal to not pay their taxes for them while they pay effectively nothing.The future, if AI and automation isn't open source and isn't strictly controlled, it's just what we have now except they become actual kings and emperors and rule over a slave caste of humanity for a million years. "Oh yeah! There's more of us than them, we'll destroy them!" They have already poached this thought from your brain chip and are now sending hellfire missiles at your house. You lose.
>>108247552>>108246780This is also why DoD and the pentagon really, really, really, really, really, really, really want to personally identify you when you use any website on the internet and correlate this information with Anthropic to develop drones. It's not to fight our enemies, their enemy is you. You're the threat to their continued survival. China, Russia, none of these people will ever get them fired. You may get them fired if you vote for someone who doesn't want them controlling all of humanity. So all of these age verification laws, spying measures, executive orders over AI and training data that uses your biometric ID and links it to your post history are being done exclusively to wage war against you.
>>108228406>independent researchI thought we should only Trust The Experts
>>108246780Nigger, people start companies with lofty dreams every day. Rich kids inherit millions of dollars and blow it. Pretending like people with a lot of money just stumbled into it is moronic. With your plan innovation will cease. But I suspect you wouldn't care about that because your ideology is driven by resentment.
>>108232676>if LLMs never go beyond 90% or even 95% accuracy, why would anyone pay money for them?They don'tNotice all this shit is being done with a blitzkrieg of debt? There's no fucking way they're ever paying this off, they're hoping to become so influential and have so much political power from their LLM training that they can buy the politicians to give them a bailout when they crash. Altman said so himself that AI is too big to fail, now.
>>108247552>they won't use the infinite labor force they now control to seize control of the governmentThey already control the governments. Trump literally has these tech people over at the white house taking gifts and shit from them in front of the cameras. Lobby organizations representing megacorps pay money for congressional election campaigns. Congress itself is filled with people who are openly doing insider trading on par with the kind of shit that people are currently making a big stink about Epstein, Andrew and Mandelson commiting. Trump is a billionaire real estate mogul who won 2016 by just openly stating everyone else on stage has taken bribes from him. There's no scenario where these people have to seize control.
>>108235795>>Hey claude make me a spreadsheet app.Have you tried this?
>>108247608And if you protest bailing them out, ICE agents will come by and start and killing you. Then some permavirgin neet on 4chan will make a cope post about how you had it coming because you didn't pay Altman's 2 trilly bailout package
>>108247619>There's no scenario where these people have to seize control.That's why this is happening now, yes. As you noticed: What I said about them paying no taxes while everyone below them is paying most of the taxes is what is occurring right at this moment.
>>108247627Lmao, you're one of those retards that think that ICE is "Trump's personal gestapo" rather than just an agency tasked with enforcing specific laws.
>>108247636But that's not what's happening. The problem with the rich right now isn't that they don't pay taxes, is that they're so insanely wealthy that even if they're paying as little tax as they possibly can while also controlling the legislature to allow them to pay even less tax, they're still paying the overwhelming majority of all taxes either personally or through their corporations. The only reason normal people pay taxes is to control economic activity and behavior. its entirely symbolic beyond that point. Even if we could wave a wand and remove all income tax, guess what the price of everything would adjust to reflect the new reality of everyone having more disposable income. No what's actually going to happen is that you're going to be an unemployed loser who pay no taxes and the government is just going to declare you a parasite and then have the robot punch you in the balls at random intervals when you're going from A to B.
>>108247695>But that's not what's happening.That is what is happening.> The problem with the rich right now isn't that they don't pay taxes, is that they're so insanely wealthy that even if they're paying as little tax as they possibly can while also controlling the legislature to allow them to pay even less tax, they're still paying the overwhelming majority of all taxes either personally or through their corporations. You're saying that the middle class taxes are overvalued. Not that the upper class is 'paying too much.' You don't get that because you like most republican voters are really shit at math and don't understand that they're still evading taxes if they pay even .000001% of their taxable income. >No what's actually going to happen is that you're going to be an unemployed loser who pay no taxes and the governmentEven the unemployed pay taxes.What's going to happen is eventually the rich get so rich that they stop paying anything altogether and this stops being an economy, instead it just becomes forced servitude, and anyone complaining gets killed by robots and drones. We're almost at that point already. Currency means almost nothing to most of the upper class, they all receive periodic bailouts when their get-richer-quicker schemes fail, and you're always left paying the difference while making cope posts like this one about how they're totally "paying their fair share". You're already a parasite, and worse: You probably do it for free.
>>108247606Nothing I can even say to something to cucked and worshipful of the rich that they actually think>I and the majority of people must be culled either overtly or indirectly through destitution and starvation s-so mark zuckerberg can continue his i-i-innovationI can't think of anything more pathetic, imagine not only falling for their shit but going so far that you're literally willing to die for their lie? Also learn some fucking logic, the ability for rich kids to lose money is unconnected to that everyone who has a lot of money is some God, rather than just a person with a lot of money. I guess your brain breaks at the people that both make and lose fortunes. Yeah, it's largely luck. None of these people are irreplaceable, and that's currently. In a potential future where most of everything is being done by ai and robots, and they are rich literally only because they owned the shit, they are even more irreplaceable. And lastly innovation will die when the owning class that stifles it through copyrights and lawsuits is gone? Most ridiculous thing ever. Innovation will increase immensely when people A. Are free to pursue innovations due to a lack of needing to provide a living for themselves. No more "publish or perish", striking down potential projects that [corporation] wont sponsorB. Are free to pursue them without worry of get sued the fuck out by big corporationsthough in this potential scenario ai will be doing most of the innovations anyway so you point is extra moot, but assuming they for some reason advanced to the point that they have somehow taken jobs from most of the population but still can't innovate that's what would be the case
>>108247695>But that's not what's happening. The problem with the rich right now isn't that they don't pay taxes, is that they're so insanely wealthy that even if they're paying as little tax as they possibly can while also controlling the legislature to allow them to pay even less tax, they're still paying the overwhelming majority of all taxesThis is because they evade all their taxes. It shouldn't be theoretically possible to become this grossly rich with tax systems set up the way they are, but you can legally jew any system enough to where refunds, dividends, and returns that they never have to pay taxes on.https://americansfortaxfairness.org/billionaires-7-trillion/Cmon this is Jew 101, don't you get why people are pissed off? It's not because they're "not paying taxes" they're effectively paying no taxes, or what they pay is instantly returned to them due to legislative capture.
>>108247759NTA only way this happens is if copyright is struck down as Automation becomes affordable. Which isn't going to happen, Even now they're making special exceptions to let the owner class simply ignore copyright where convenient so they can train their infinite money machines while grossly punishing anyone for downloading the same material for their own personal consumption.
>>108247741>don't understand that they're still evading taxes if they pay even .000001% of their taxable income.it doesn't matter if they're evading taxes is the fucking point you retard, they're still paying the overwhelming majority of tax dollars simply because of how rich they are. That 0.00001% is genuinely 90% of the taxes the government collects. Some middle class guy paying 50% of his income in taxes doesn't mean shit to the government. It could be 0% in terms of how much actual revenue they collect from it. >Even the unemployed pay taxes.yeah the taxes I just told you control economic activity. The money the unemployed pay is trivial in terms of actual revenue. The government doesn't function because there's a 6% sales tax on groceries or whatever. It could be 0% and the government would still function. Why? Because the billionaires that literally own the entire government and all the corporations pay all the taxes. When the AI takes over they'll kill programs like social security not because they can't fund it, they've simply moved past the point where they need to give the poors the hand out.
>>108247620>Have you tried this?It got the right idea. idk if "spreadsheet people" would be super happy or how they'd exchange files (how do they exchange files anyway? Certainly not via github PRs.)https://files.catbox.moe/0l0zqr.mp4(too long to upload here.)
>>108247794Read above where I outlined the situation where the owner class loses their power because they are literally not needed anymore, but that that anon said >n-no we have to let the billionaire owner class cull us instead of decreasing their power because all innovation rests solely on the shoulders of the billionaire owner class, its certainly not the research staff or academics from who innovations stem fromThe only thing the owner class is good at is taking a risk and happening to not be filtered out, because no duh SOMEONE has to win. Pure survivorship bias they're running off of. They're not in the position they're in because they single-handedly think of and implement most innovations, and if your argument for keeping them around is that "innovation is die" then you're just retarded.
>>108247857Anon, you’re arguing with a cuck.>the owner class is useless>the owner class wants to kill us offThis is the reason they’re trying to introduce mass surveillance btw. They want people to be reduced to worthless cattle so they can’t be challenged.
>>108229107>the poor man isn't a sultan of poon richer than himselfget into gardening; you won't even need to lift and the work itself is heavy but also downright therapeutic.
>>108235977same shit different taint
>>108247986They don't need fences, most people are naturally like that and corral themselves.That's what smartphones are.
>>108236551>only people who contribute to economy are usefulHow many finance grifters have their dick in your mouth for you to say something absurd like that in 2026 kekkk
i hope you guys bought the gitlab dip (ticker GTLB) with leverage because we're going to the moon
>>108247583They ARE experts just independent
>>108228570Is he one of the guys who predicted an AI god and a nuclear apocalypse for 2027?
>>108228471The average chud thinks employment is about virtue and if you just bootlick hard enough you can also have a $200k/yr finance job doing nothing all day by getting on Shekelstein's good side.The average retail investor thinks the exact same thing but also thinks the chud is a useful idiot and HE is the one that will get rich doing nothing all day while profiting off of the economic harm caused by AI, not expecting AI to also make his job irrelevant.Then there's the porkies, who are fully aware AI will lead to mass unemployment, starvation, resource monopolies, and societal collapse, but they don't care because number go up lol.
