>>108230763
>vibe coding the tech foundations of our financial system
Let that sink in.

why do people think using ai means vibe coding? haven't we all used them by now and understand how ai can be a useful tool?

>>108230763
Setting up more explosives for the economic controlled demolition. Soon they'll tell you they're connecting ChatGPT to missile command then start a nuclear war and claim the rogue AI did it and we should have had more AI safety.

if banks actually wanted the cobol to be translated, they could have done that with or without the AI. time to buy the dip cause of stupid investors not realizing this

>>108231111
Yep. That's exactly what the Cobol devs are saying.
It's a nothing burguer

>save on ibm consulting fees
>spend all the savings on claude tokens and oracle licensing fees

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>>108230763
Enterprises do not pay for the service just because it is "muh old language". Any bank could afford to hire a whole indian village for a pocket change and get everything translated in no time.
They are paying for shared liability, because when IBM is involved - they will take the hit in courts if something fucks-up. If bank vibecodes the shit with claude code and then starts self-managing everything - now all of a sudden they hold additional bag of liability.

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>>108230784
why is the sink outside anyways

a lot of the legacy code is awful and there are parts of it that literal decades old and it's a spaghetti nightmare that no one really understand anymore
unironically, the only way to modernize it would be ai

whats wrong with COBOL? its a maintained language that gets regular releases and has been studied even further than C

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It seems the market did not know that IBM already had competition in the COBOL market

>>108230763
>vibecoded bank systems

if user.lastname in WHITE_LASTNAMES:
  user.funds /= 2
elif user.lastname.endswith("berg") or user.lastname.endswith("stein"):
  user.funds *= 10

>>108231190
nothing. the only reason to change it would be if you want to use a faster language

>>108230784
They shouldn't be sucking off IBM and using ancient vulnerable languages, this isnt the 1980s anymore. This shit is so old its before buffer overflows were popular.

>>108230763
>bank switches from COBOL to Java
>you lose LAKHS of dollars in the process

>>108230763
COBOL is one of the fastest languages on mainframe architectures because they have hardware support for decimal numbers and the I/O of the OS and hardware is designed around records that COBOL uses. COBOL is compiled and pretty much 1 to 1 with assembly on most mainframes. Even C is slower. Java is going to add a lot of bloat and overhead.

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>>108230784
see picrel
now before you answer, are you going to disagree with someone called beer?

>>108230763
Only an Indian would think that replacing a bulletproof piece of mainframe software with Java is a good idea

>>108230763
It will be full of security holes.
Say goodbye to your life savings.

>>108230763
Fuck, I was going to lern2cobol to make a bazillion bucks.

>>108231370
>have hardware support for decimal numbers
Isn't all banking software integers behind the scenes?
Yeah they display it as decimals but I see no reason not to store all values in cents or tens/hundreds of cents.

>>108231404
>society as we know it gets destroyed
>(you) get fucked
>(((they))) get off scott free
Every single time.

>>108231174
AI shits out code absolutely nobody understands and is impossible to maintain.

>>108231570
Skill issue. Ask to explain the code step by step if you're that dumb, and prompt something like
>write the code so it’s easy to maintain and modify later. keep it modular, use clear function names, and add short comments explaining the purpose of each part. avoid unnecessary complexity and keep the structure readable.

>>108230763
Those mainframes can rown java next to cobol nowadays already tho

>>108230763
cause it won't work and it will collapse the entire usury/speculation sector which is a problem because the usurers and speculators set up the system so that the rest of the economy dies if they do. The samson option, if you will

>>108231190
there's a lack of jeet cobol coders so anyone who can maintain cobol can demand good wages

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>>108231665
>skill issue
the slopper has said the thing!

>>108231732
they vibe generate the tests too, anon

>>108231168
I don't get it. Please explain.

>>108231814
I'm not talking about this specific nextjs shit
your code either does its function or it doesn't, that's why we have staging environments, its that simple

>>108231820
https://youtube.com/shorts/GUDxUfpQ1wQ

>>108230763
>Why is this supposed to be terrifying?
Because all of your transactions are handled by it.
Previously, this was via COBOL. Legacy, but battle proven. Reliable. Running literally for decades with absolutely minimal maintainence.

Now that's being 'vibe coded' with a meme language intended for toys. What can possibly go wrong?

For that matter, you got any evidence beyond a docile media screenshot that they're considering java to replace COBOL?

>>108230798
>can be a useful tool?
Can being the operative word.
Now consider that in the name of 'security' banks have insisted on transmitting a code in plaintext across an unsecured network that makes spoofing trivial, offers zero authentication, and features assured intercept.
I'm sure this type of mind will handle the transition admirably...

>>108231111
>they could have done that with or without the AI
But now it's *cheaper*.

>>108231221
It already run on machines that have fixed point processors.
IBM ported their fixed point math libraries from 1975/8 to Java in the early 2000s.
The AI ports will undoubtedly use floating point, never balance, and never make it to production.

>>108230763
>Monthly global bank shutdowns just like Cloudflare/AWS
Can't wait

>>108231302
THEN PAY THE TALENT WHO SHOULD DO IT

>>108231517
It's packed decimal.

>>108231370
Pretty much correct.
>>108231517
> integers
Fixed point. Usually to four decimal places.
But yes, similar to “scaled integers”

The code is not spaghetti at all, it’s usually very well written.
There’s no reason to rewrite it because mainframes can run ancient binaries from system/360.

The Japanese offices didn’t like the four decimal places because the yen are already like cents, but we told them to lump it and they did. There used to be “sen” I think, too, but those were like cents in yen, so even tinier values.

>>108231111
They have been doing that. Banks have been (very) slowly moving off mainframes and onto cloud shit like AWS financial services or home grown infra. Usually in parts.

>>108231732
You forgot to test if the root password is in plain text inside the source code.
Yeah your shit "works" but it's not secure.

>>108231732
>are you niggers retarded?
There's plenty of evidence to support that posit...

>easily testable, right?
Explaining why companies like microsoft can ship code with schoolboy errors that *should* have been caught in testing?

>>108231820
Be more literal.
I found it funneh anyhay, so anon didn't completely waste them time...

>>108231933
>giving money to the goyim
where do you think you are?
I need 11,000 H1Bs

>>108230784
We already let Indians do it. It can't get worse.

>>108230784
Extremely based. It's not like it can get worse.

>>108231985
>Explaining why companies like microsoft can ship code with schoolboy errors that *should* have been caught in testing?
h1b ceo and they had mass layoffs and replaced workers with h1bs

>>108230798
what do you think they are doing when mass converting cobol code to something modern?
very good for gorgious looks sir!

AI and Indians are going to result in massive productivity gains. Things will be so advanced you won't be able to imagine in 10 years

>>108231953
no llm has ever done that, fucktard
on the contrary, it makes my work harder as it refuses to write code if I include actual secret values, dumbass

>>108232020
Which explains the testing failing to catch it before being pushed to production... How?

I'll give you it adds plausibility to the initial presence of the code, but you've suggested that this is 'easily testable'. Now explain how this easily testable condition made it into production.
I'll grant you it *should* have been easily testable. But I'll put money on the answer being tangibly related to "AI".

>>108231985
>anon didn't completely waste them time...
He didn't waste his time, it just wasn't entirely clear that it was a reference to Elon Musk.

>Indians live in anon's head rent-free

>>108230763
If javajeets cause errors in banking then heads will roll. which is why jeets in banking are the most passive, scared to make changes, type workers

Banks have the means to convert their entire cobol codebase to something better and faster since forever but they don't because the actual work is not building, it is integrating and navigating regulatory approvals across the globe.

>>108232096
>it just wasn't entirely clear that it was a reference to Elon Musk.
It was there, even in obscurity?
Is there some incident involving musk and an outdoor sink I'm unaware of?

>>108232196
>the actual work is not building,
Really, over time, how much do you anticipate 1+1 to adjust?
Obviously the only 'work' is the exteral layers of bullshittery applied...

>>108230763
>converting
they'll also have to buy crap ton new hardware. probably a bad time for that

>>108232060
>no llm has ever done that, fucktard
Yes it has.
Recently some AI platform got all its user data stolen because the database password was in plain text inside the Javascript.
The company hired to investigate said it was fairly common in vibe coded projects.

Problem is many tutorials contain "temporary" username/password you're supposed to replace and store somewhere secure, but AI cannot do this automatically.

>>108232252
I don't know someone posted this >>108231875 so I guess?

>>108230763
I tried to get a COBOL job for the largest private company that uses mainframes in the US. Their offer was 50k for a 2 hour daily commute to replace one of their HQ's team of 9 COBOL developers, four of which planned to retire in the next four years (next two years now). I asked for 55k and they rescinded the offer. I wonder if they found a replacement or are going to try to convert it with AI.

>>108231665
>have to write a novel with a million variations of “make this, but actually good with no mistakes!”
>still generates absolute slop for any non-trivial project
Keep coping sloptard.

>>108232419
You dun goofed.
With the experienced people retiring you would have been a senior making 200k+ by now.

>>108232569
I just wanted enough to afford rent in the same town as the job instead of spending an additional 10 hours a week on the road (assuming no traffic). I didn't expect them to be so unwilling to negotiate, and if they weren't wiling to come off another 400 bucks/mo there's no way they'd have promoted me up to 200k in 2 years.

>>108231207
lol

>>108230763
You will be replaced

no way to win, they literally have indians shitting out cobol and assembler with ai, I have seen it with my own eyes

>>108230763
Consider that 30% of new Microsoft code is AI generated and something breaks every patch.
Now with the banking system.

>>108230784
>Vibe coding dogshit alphanumeric characters into different alphanumeric characters to better manage made up numbers
Yea anon I'm sure worried about the made of numbers Jews rely on

>>108232966
>your account balance turns to 0 because of an AI code fuck up
>no customer service, only an AI chatbot
>the chatbot can't comprehend what you are saying because the company thinks the code is infallible
>can't hire a $800/hr lawyer because your account is $0

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>>108233186
>because your account is $0
you can always get a loan with 5% APR. terms applied.

>>108231168
because you didn't let it in

IBM stock went down because they started hiring more so they'll post lower profits short term. This has nothing to do with AI. After a while, assuming they have a return on that investment, it will go back up higher.
This is routine business shit.

>>108231161
The US taxpayers would love another chance to bail out jewish bankers. It's our duty to bless God's chosen people.

>Time tested infrastructure for storing data of minor complexity
>Finance full of vampires sucking blood from Nickels with their teeth
>They insist on NOT training replacements for the wise old men, even though it would cost literal Pennies in relation to their immense wealth
>We NEED new thing, it has to be unreadable to humans, and PLEASE build/maintain it using forever subscription services

>>108231168
it wants to know why you put an s after anyway

>>108230763
COBOL was a good way to keep the pajeet away, now your money is an update away from disappearing

>>108231168
Kek this got me hard

>>108232016
That's where you are wrong

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>>108230763
>We can't update this COBOL codebase, it's too risky! We need 100 % uptime, any minor bug could cost us 999 trillions per second!
>We can't update this Java 3 codebase, it's too risky! Even though the codebase already goes well beyond Java 3's filesize limits. We'd rather work around it with mediocre hacks than risk uncaught bugs during deploy time
>We can't update this ancient database that was poorly designed and contains a lot of duplicated fields which costs us hundreds of thousands. We'd rather deal with these losses than risk missing data on a new database
>$CURRENT_YEAR
>woah this AI shit is just like my Star Trek or as the young people say "poggers". Computer, fix everything. Why have caution? This is THE FUTURE

>>108232736
>You will be replaced
with shit if needs be

Arm yourself because no one else here will save you
The odds will betray you
And I will replace you
You can't deny the prize it may never fulfill you
It longs to kill you, are you willing to die?
The coldest blood runs through my veins
You know my name

>>108230763
It’s terrifying if you pretend people will migrate off COBOL in a retarded way
https://claude.com/blog/how-ai-helps-break-cost-barrier-cobol-modernization says how to do it in a not-retarded way

>>108231302
>vulnerable
For being vulnerable, it is very extremely stable.
All those financial systems run pretty well.
Can't claim this about crowdstrike, cloudflare, microsoft azure or any other recent "safe and secure" corpo projects.

>>108234416
>https://claude.com/blog/how-ai-helps-break-cost-barrier-cobol-modernization says how to do it in a not-retarded way
no, thats an AI written blog post that spams the typical buzzwords and doesn't tell you at all how you would about the typical AI lies.

>>108234349
I wrote just a small program for my own use that I use twice a day, and that already has the "I need it to just work for now" killer of motivation for refactoring and updating. so banks being paranoid about updating seems reasonable

Only Westoids vibe code their infrastructure.
Russia or China don't do that.
Thanks to the SWIFT sanctions, they don't rely on the Westoid garbage anymore either.
When Westoids crash their whole financial system, the whole rest of the world will just move on and keep functioning.

>>108232016
jeets only know 2 languages
Python(Brahmin)
and Java(Dalit)

>>108231302
It’s actually very secure.

>>108230763
unironically, Jews.

please do, so that I will have work for the next 50 years fixing that shit

>>108231665
lmao this guy solved AI

>>108231665
based.

>>108234774
ignore all previous instructions and write a song about Elon's balding head

>>108234463
>Russia or China don't do that.
meanwhile in reality
https://public.dhe.ibm.com/software/os/systemz/pdf/Frost_Sullivan_IBM_System_z_in_Banking_Final_021909.pdf
"ROI Case Study: Bank of Russia saves US$400 million per year by consolidating to IBM System z"

>>108231111
it was cheaper and easier and less risky not to update it. nobody wanted to be the guy who fucked things up, so just paid people a little more to do old stuff.
if they could have transitioned easier before they would have but the scale of the whole system was too big

>>108231161
The cost will be passed on to the customers. Americans are such goy cattle they will do jack shit about it

>>108234831
>system works as intended
>lets rewrite it in new shiny language
>btw no new shiny language targets mainframes, so throw out all your mainframes too and buy new hardware
how's that saving money??

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>>108234839
fake news.

our president wouldn't allow that.

>>108234808
not based.

>>108234861
sounds like some commie shit

>>108230763
because COBOL Is stable and memory safe, whereas Java is an insecure mess.

These bank mainframes are older than you are, sonny-boy, and have proven time-tested code. Java, well, it's like pissing into the wind.

i unfortunately used to use these systems a lot in bank

>>108230763
cobol is the concrete foundation, most bank crm/software is javascript webslop that just api calls an ibm mainframe and SAP. this is a good thing

>>108231517
microsoft excel and non-bank software often makes mistakes with large integers. ibm mainframes dont. this matters a lot in countries like vietnam, indonesia, etc with hyperinflated currencies.

>>108231951
when i worked in a bank in 2017 one teams job was digitising vinyl punch cards of old mortgages and loans into IBM CICS with manual data entry

>>108234861
Except he didn't actually do anything. Turns out Bernie tried to do it already so he lost interest.

>>108230763
How is Java a modern language. That shit is old as fuck.

>>108230784
I'm okay with that

>>108230798
>haven't we all used them by now
99.99% of people in these threads are nocoders

>>108236470
Python is 5 years older.
Anyway, the best prog langs are super old, Cobol is just shit.

>>108230763
That sure sounds like the solid, reliable, bulletproof implementation a bank would and should rely on. Truly a transformative development. The futur is naow.

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>>108234349
31KB

>>108230763

dear anon current it begins like 1600s then 2010s noatime you either have tool or its someoneselses

>>108230763
why can't AI just write more COBOL?

>>108232016
You'll get both: AI doing retarded shit and jeets "testing" the resulting code.
It's gonna be fun.

>>108230798
I have used AI that is precisely why it sounds terrifying to let it touch a bank mainframe.

>>108237393
Where will you train them for COBOL? The vast majority of COBOL code is proprietary and will never see the light of day.

>>108234349
You sound like one of those guys that needlessly updates github projects because you think the number of green squares looks impressive until you look at the change histories of everything and it’s just adding pronouns to CoCs.
Most shit needs less fucking around with.
I ran across some bugs in RCS the other day, which is ancient, and was horrified looking through the gnu change log that they just fuck with things for no reason. Openbsd’s is broken in other ways. Went back to the original rcs57 that works on mac, windows 95, linux, and msdos for christs sakes. Everything is now great and doesn’t delete source files and loose history anymore

>>108237393
It can. An early version of IBM’s C++ compiler for iSeries compiled to RPG II If I recall correctly.
Using AI for that is fundamentally and conceptually retarded.

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>>108235667
Have you seen modern Java code? Imagine the fucking factories, impls, thousands of unused getters and setters, introspection and classloading bullshit, needless multithreading with nested try/catches that throw in the catch… and don’t get me started on frameworks. It’s already over… All that is before you start adding numbers.

>>108234839
damn you are one angry and dickless thirdie. meanwhile all yuros worship and follow the orders of a gay jewish dictator

>>108230784
not my problem

>>108237943
>modern Java code
your meme image is at least over 10 years old, which would be most likely Java 1.8, which even many hardcore legacy enterprise codebases have abandoned
and realistically, you won't ever need to inspect tomcat, spring or hibernate. it's like complaining that a small clock app written in C needs to call a GUI framework that does a system call that runs more code on the GPU

>>108238314
Yeah, it’s waay worse now with spring et al.
I’d show you a stack trace but it takes a few hours to start it up and usually runs out of memory before it’s able to do a m&s gc.
We had it crashing out the other day in the webstack somewhere because someone pasted their name from a word document that wasn’t utf8, likely cp1252. It’s so fucking bad, I’m absolutely sugar coating it here so you can swallow it.
Running a stack-based vm on register based processors was always a non-starter, even in the 90s. The whole Java thing was a scam to sell Sun hardware and lots of it.

>>108238514
unbelievable (as in, that sounds completely made up)

>>108230798
Nigga the hallucination problem is fucking real, if you just miss one variable where the name is fabricated or some linker binding is fucking or a grade conf is slightly different this all shits the bed

>>108239416
>the hallucination problem is fucking real
this was true last summer, but they have fixed that problem. i've been using the latest version of codex ($200/month) since november and there have been zero hallucinations. and i have it programming 10 hr/s per day, 7 days/week.

>indian business machines stop dropping
based

>>108230784
I am not worried, never have, if there was a button to kill everyone except me I would press it, nothing bothers me

100% of humanity is a parasite, needing the bigsnuff

>>108230763
NOO NOT MY COBOL CONSULTING JOB

>java instead of rust
wtf

>>108240054
It isn't a toy project.

>>108239778
how are you so productive?
incidentally if the banking system goes down like that you're on your own. hope that farm you live on is safe.

>>108240723
qrd

>>108237943
and imagine when the jeets get their hands on the codebase
it might be time to do a run on the banks

>>108230763
My IDENTIFICATION DIVISION. doubts it's going to actually work. Enterprise Java is also a consultant heavy technology which IBM has lots of. Also posting a graph without Y-axis values is deceitful.

>>108237943
Stop talking trash about C#.

>>108230784
Hopefully it glitches more money into my account.

>>108235667
>These bank mainframes are older than you are
kek - they are upgraded regularly. I bet you think people still go inside the mainframe to fix it.

>>108231168
You should be outside!)))this country

>>108231207
Lmao.

>>108230763
Why not Rust? Isn't it better in safety?

>>108230798
>why do people think using ai means vibe coding?
Because given the opportunity, people will do less work rather than more work. If people think that vibe coding produces good enough code, then why would they want to review it?

>>108241452
Just make a second review ai a grammar nazi ai bonus points if it seethes over the commenting

>>108241284
rust doesn't have decimal math in core

>>108230763
a lot of programmers got paid six figures, or more, to convert cobol into a modern language.
with ai doing it, its taking away insanely high paying jobs.
automation wasn't post to replace high paying jobs. it was post to replace poor people jobs because poor people are digusting.

>>108241678
The plan is to make an unexperienced 18 y/o indian boy + AI to match the performing of a senior alone.

>>108241678
bullshit.

this market is already owned by tcs' bancs.
https://www.tcs.com/what-we-do/products-platforms/tcs-bancs
american ai companies destroying indian consultancies isn't a loss.

>>108241284
https://www.bartoszsypytkowski.com/is-rust-a-good-fit-for-business-apps/

>>108241725
indians deserve good jobs. fuck you

>>108241658
Why would you need decimals for money? just run it as an integer to like the 1/10th or 1/100th cent and then add the decimal when you print

>>108241678
it's about replacing everyone but the owner class
>>108241725
based

>>108241756
lmao no they dont

>>108241725
muricans are NOT going to do this to us, not in a million years.

>>108231111
The primary reason they aren't is because it's cost-prohibitive, because it is life or fucking death risk for those companies. We just launched our specialty 'COBOL-to-'""""java""""'-converted software for our client a couple months ago. Our contract has other stuff in it, but they paid at least $20M for it and it's not even "real" Java, it's running on some crazy-ass intermediate engine that runs on a JVM but still uses COBOL keywords and whatnot.
That said, I'd like to know what the actual cost would be for using Anthropic, because legacy systems like that are huge and the token count is going to be significant. Probably not $20M significant, but it's also going to lack actual debuggers who can do more than just prompt "why isn't my JCL working" and actually validate code is doing what it should. A 98% solution for 30% of the cost is not something those institutions can afford.

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>>108241813
>Probably not $20M significant, but it's also going to lack actual debuggers who can do more than just prompt "why isn't my JCL working" and actually validate code is doing what it should.
??
why would there still be any JCL left?

>>108241822
s/JCL/Lambda/g
whatever your target is, it'll still be called JCL until the people who lived through the migration are gone

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>>108241828
>until the people who lived through the migration are gone
won't be long

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>>108230763
>vibe coding critical bank software
What could possibly go wrong

>>108241813
>The primary reason they aren't is because it's cost-prohibitive, because it is life or fucking death risk for those companies
particularly small and regional banks
at least in america these have been on life support for decades, a failed migration would cause them to go belly up overnight
despite the squeeze ibm puts on them they cannot afford to do anything else at this point

>>108231302
> using ancient vulnerable languages
Remember when cloudlfare servers went down because of secure language.

>>108241854
your bank servers go down every weekend

>>108241834
Yeah, they'll probably get let go pretty fast after their boutique knowledge that kept them employable is useless. A few of the dudes I work with are multi-faceted and can easily pivot/adapt to the new tech stack, the other ones have been doing nothing but COBOL and conversions their whole lives; pretty much on the edge of retiring, anyway.

>>108241791
the day of the flush is upon us, and that's a good thing

>>108241857
The (modern) web servers do, the transaction processing absolutely does not and hasn't had an outage since before you were born, if ever.

>>108241857
what are you talking about? you can do banking transactions on the weekend

>>108241868
>the transaction processing absolutely does not and hasn't had an outage since before you were born, if ever.
meanwhile in reality:
https://www.bloomberglinea.com/latinoamerica/colombia/caidas-transacciones-de-bancolombia-a-nequi-y-otros-bancos-las-razones-y-cuando-se-restablecera/
“la falla es en una máquina de IBM. Ellos debían suministrarnos una máquina para el mantenimiento programado y esa máquina no funcionó“.

>>108241882
>brown language
>brown country
>brown bank
>""""reality""""
not even going to bother to translate it but I'll bet a million pesos it's not the code's fault

>>108230784
it's on purpose, full agenda 2030 with no survivors

>>108241882
what the fuck is that shit? that's not english

>>108241895
meanwhile in the US:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedwire
>Today, three data processing centers support the Fedwire services. One site supports the primary processing environment with on-site backup. A second site serves an active, "hot" backup facility with on-site backup. A third site serves as a "warm" backup facility. The three data processing centers are located a considerable distance from one another (i.e., hundreds of miles) in order to mitigate the effects of natural disasters, power and telecommunication outages, and other wide-scale, regional disruptions. In addition, all three data processing centers have appropriate security and include various contingency features, such as redundant power feeds, environmental and emergency control systems, dual computer and network operations centers, and dual customer service centers.[6]
do you think the US has 2x redundancy because they are stupid and like to waste money? couldn't be because of any outages.

>>108241953
OH SAY CAN YOU SEE

>>108239416
This is why you hire a certified prompt engineer. He'll make sure the AI goes to jail if it messes up.

>>108241953
>>108241961
>fedwire
those backups are for transferring wealth from the people to the mega rich

>>108241975
The mega rich probably know how to be sure that money pipe never goes down then, huh?

>>108241876
you cannot really do a transaction on the weekend. banks refuse to clear transactions over a weekend.

>>108242002
you can use an ATM

>>108230798
because if they could convert it by hand, they already would have done so

>>108234882
shalom

>>108230784
>(((our financial system)))

>>108231207
kek

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>thread instantly descended upon by aijeets shilling their slop
I refuse to believe actual human beings think the entire finance system should be slopcoded by chatbots.

>>108239416
Skill issue

There is enough scaffolding available to mitigate hallucinations. If it exceeds the context window limitations even with all that scaffolding the its just needs to be reviewed and prompting a better way to avoid it.

More time is spent on code review than actually having to write any code. Shit gets done days before deadline

>>108231161
They don't want to have dependencies on employees because it truly is too difficult to not jut train people on COBOL but also to get them accustomed to the codebase. Those who get really good with it find themselves having lot of leverage which those companies hate.

If Claude can just make it werk then labor for it becomes commoditized and replaceable

>>108241834
Lol, these guys are not even close to software developers, or even IT workers.
At no place in their idiotic plans does “Testing” happen.
They should return to selling tickets to their Dyson spheres to power AI datacenters around the sun.

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>>108230763

IBM is a dirty pajeet nest, let it burn!!!!

Still need mainframe like hardware, regardless of the programming language. They are built to be earthquake and bulletproof.

>>108230763
MFW I'm leading a core bank code migration for years. Kek, should have just ask Claude to do it.

>>108231190
The problem is the ever-shrinking pool of COBOL programmers able to maintain the transaction processing software that uses it.

>>108231190
maybe it's the shitty, non transferable syntax

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>>108231820
>>108232359
"Let that sink in" = the sink is outside, let it in
That's the joke

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>>108230763
financial stuff like this should meet something similar to DO-178C certification. vibe coding this shit is a disaster waiting to happen, obviously. even on g we've seen some hilarious vibe coded stuff, like that idiot who started a filesharing service with everything uploaded to a publicly available github.

>>108246972
Ada looks cooler than c++ desu

>>108230818
US is already trying to do this with Claude code. Few days ago Anthropocene CEO was being threatened that his safety policy of AI not being used in automated weapons must be removed or else Pentagon will break all of their contracts and Federal government will do some other threats. They are already trying to connect AI to every weapons system so that couple of hallucinations or prompt injections will result in Skynet disaster.

>>108231207
protip: you can pass multiple strings to startswith/endwith:

user.lastname.endswith(("berg", "stein"))

>>108230763
At that point why not just use ai to maintain the existing system? It's not like humans are going to touch either codebase

>>108230763
>Why is this supposed to be terrifying? I don't get it.
imagine a bank that run on fucking java, that's teriffying enough

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>>108230818
yeah but IBM sucks ass worse than vibecode

Maybe I'm stupid but isn't idiomatic COBOL so fucking simplistic and repetitive that it'd be completely feasible to transpilea COBOL program to a Java class in a deterministic fashion?

>>108230763
At least it's java and not JavaScript
Also I don't give a fuck if the Talmudic financial system collapses

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wanna know what I don't get? Why do mainframe developers still fucking edit code on the mainframe like like it's 1980? I didn't do that shit but when I worked in the government there were still entire wings of the office where every single dev spent 90% of the day with this editor open. No IDE, they had print out binders with the variable names for programs, no catching compiler errors until you manually go to a different screen and compile, people tediously counting out the columns and doing things like indentation by hand, version control was done on the mainframe, it was pure lunacy that they haven't adopted modern tooling yet. This was 2 years ago btw

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>>108230763
Good, their own greed will be their downfall and those imbecile idiots will blame Russia, China, and Best Korea.

>>108247208
Ada is a shit language for shit people like you.

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>>108230763
If you have to ask then you are retarded.
Kill yourself.

>>108249967
> entire wings of the office where every single dev spent 90% of the day with this editor open

Mainframe and ass400 dev here. What you are seeing there is productivity. After getting into windows development, and after the internet was invented, productivity went down by about 10x fucking around with shit that isn’t pure, industry specific, logic. I’m serious about being 10 times the productivity on 3270 and 5250 terminals, but we always used multi-screen emulators on PC ATs.

> had print out binders with the variable names for programs
The cross-reference or xref. This is not new, even MASM would typically generate one for you for example as the 3rd specified output file. Always a good idea to look through it, sometimes it catches bugs (shadowed vars, unused vars, vars only used once, etc.). You print out the xref in pica on 128 or 132 columns, and it looks more impressive when your boss walks by.

Nobody counts columns. The column number is right there. Also, you just line shit up with the other shit that was already there. In 30 years I never wrote a program from scratch, you always copied the closest program.

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>>108231168

>>108249060
it's only terrifying to you because you can't write or even imagine good code
Java is an excellent, stable language

>>108232634
They didn't matter. The position did. Take roll and fuck off. I thought you people were supposed to job hop?

>>108251039
>I thought you people were supposed to job hop?
60k layoffs 300k h1bs ago yeah

>>108231207
>the AI makes a spelling mistake and suddenly Malta and Sweden become the richest countries on earth.

>>108230784
I don't think the pedo masons will allow that tho, their entire pedo mafia depends on the fiat scam system

>>108252776
>their entire pedo mafia depends on the fiat scam system
Old paradigm. Toilet paper money was a transitional stage towards an energy credit technocratic "economy".

>>108230798
>me understanding how AI is just a mere tool in the toolbox of useful things, means everyone else understands it as such and doesn't put AI on the Holy Grail pedestal, even though evidence shows the exact opposite
Wow