So whatever happened to it? I thought it was supposed to free us from Gnome's tyranny, i mean use case, yet it's completely crickets to the initial hype.
>>108230944You could say the same with Budgie moving to Wayland over X11. Crickets and they just released a point update to 10 while saying "11 soon!" after saying "11 next year!" in like 2024.
>>108230944>rust tranny crapJust use KDE
If it's not GNOME or KDE then nobody cares.
It's pretty usable right now, on Pop!_OS, Arch/CachyOS, Fedora (including Atomic), etc. There are some shortcomings compared to GNOME or KDE, but it's improving week by week.
>>108230944Im maining it for 6 months now. It's cool to see how it improves with each update, but it's not as feature-complete, as say GNOME or KDE. Maybe by the end of Epoch 3 it will get to ≈90% of what the latter are capable of today. I'm talking about shit like supported Wayland protocols, the "ecosystem" and maturity of the compositor. Native tiling combined with stacking is the main thing that keeps me on it. Very handy.
>>108230999I would if KDE wouldn't look like absolute shit.
>>108231483function >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> form
>>108230944Still no screensaver.
>>108231378What's really missing (yet) in your opinion? I read through Epoch 2 and 3 notes, but it's rather just a list of bugfixes or implementation of expected behaviour for better words.
I'll try it once it gets HDR support
>>108231509Screensaver.
>>108231585As in playing a funny aquarium or you can't lock your session?
>>108231506>>108231585Why do you need a screensaver? Just turn the monitor off.>OMG I need my squiggly lines dancing on the screen when no one is near the computer.Why though? It's a waste of time to implement it. It's possible on Wayland, but why do you need it? A lock screen that powers down the display after you lock it is perfectly fine. >>108231990You can lock your screen just fine, they're talking about something that KDE and GNOME and Windows (iirc) haven't had for a long time.
>>108232007>they're talking about something that KDE and GNOME and Windows (iirc) haven't had for a long time.That answers the question. Good enough for me. I prefer keeping my screen powered on during lock anyway.
>>108230944Wait for Epoch 2 and 3
>>108232174The fuck is an epoch 2 and 3? Are they too high up their ass to say 0.2 and 0.3?
>>108230944Works on my machine.>yet it's completely crickets to the initial hypeBecause it came out very barebones compared to KDE and the specialized Pop!-GNOME people are used to. Also some people heard that COSMIC was made from Rust and started frothing at the mouth.I chose Popos specifically because I wanted to try COSMIC, and I like it a lot better than KDE and Usecase. The tiling and workspaces feel really good to use and I haven't had any problems with it in a long time. It has felt actually very stable, usable, and customizable despite people fearmongering on release day that it is a complete mess that has no features and will make your PC explode when it boots up. There were only minor, fixable bugs in the beginning and they all seem to have dissipated these past couple weeks. >>108231585I'm 1000% sure it is coming. >>108232174 System76 knew they released it too early, they just wanted to troll the plasma dev a little.
>>108230944I tried it, i liked it, but they pushed it out too early. has a ton of bugs, especially with the compositor. i had to go back to mutter and gnome. once they fix everything, i'll go back because it is pretty based and they are actively working to fix everything.
>>108232218>>108232226System76 may even ditch Debian and create their own package manager.
>>108232353https://linuxiac.com/system76-unveils-cosmic-desktop-epoch-2-and-3-roadmap/
>>108232353>System76 may even ditch Debian and create their own package manager.That would be very cool but it also seems like that would be very risky desu
>>108232358>https://linuxiac.com/system76-unveils-cosmic-desktop-epoch-2-and-3-roadmap/if they cut Debian out, I will switch distros.
>>108232367Don't worry, I don't think it is in the roadmap
>>108230944>yet it's completely crickets to the initial hypeit's not even close to finished. also one of the devs spends the entire day shilling COSMIC on every corner of the internet that mentions it, claiming it's not buggy and even more stable and performant than GNOME or KDE even when die-hard Pop users say it's not ready, shit puts me off from interacting with it.
>>108232404>it's not readyIt's ready. Unless you want HDR and screensavers, in which case it's not ready.
>>108232007>needWant.
>>108232468It's not ready. Unless you don't want a stable desktop, in which case it's ready.
>>108232501>It's not ready. Unless you don't want a stable desktop, in which case it's ready.Never had problems when I was running it. I'd say it's more stable than KDE ar this point.
>showed up in less than 30 postsGet to work, mmstick https://github.com/pop-os/cosmic-epoch/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aopen%20crash
>>108232522See you can tell it's actually him because he goes dead silent every time lmao fuck this project.
>>108232404i get why he's shilling hard. they literally made a fully functional DE that's pretty damn nice all around. the problem is, they rushed it out for some reason. it was NOT ready by any measure. I had, as i mentioned already, had to switch to gnome because the tasks i do were completely fucked by the cosmic-comp. i can't afford to wait around for them to fix it (which I KNOW they are actually working hard to do).it shouldn't have been released in the state it was in.
>>108230944niri + noctalia mogs it
>>108230944tried it>can't login despite typing my correct password>fresh install on new laptop>same issue
>>108232840that's a weird issue - i have installed it on my machine and about 50 times on VMs to mess with it and do my tutorial vids... never had that happen before
>>108232404>>108232607I don't get it. Shit's still in beta, no one has released anything finished yet.>>108232840I remember when Gnome had that issue.
>>108230944>whatever happened to it?Every single component of the DE is still in alpha; the terminal is alpha, the file manager is alpha, the systems settings are alpha. It's a collection of alphaware that they just slapped "1.0.0" on, so they wouldn't be two Ubuntu LTS releases behind schedule. What "happened" is that it just is not usable for most people yet
>>108232957I honest to god have no idea what the fuck people in this thread are talking about when they say it isn't ready. Things I have learned since using COSMIC>it doesn't crash>it has many settings for everything>it has many key bind options including language macros>it lets me customize the desktop to look the way I wantWhat am I missing here? Yeah, it doesn't have an autistic amount of options like KDE does, but I thought that was the whole philosophy behind not-GNOME? Simple is good. If it is not useable what have I been using for the last three months?
>>108232218>Are they too high up their ass to say 0.2 and 0.3?No, because those are point-releases. "Epoch" is their version of "this is leaving alpha to enter beta ("2") and release candidate [aka: 1.0] ("3").It's just System76 naming convention, similar to Debian using Toy Story characters for their full-releases.
>>108232226It was introduced to the Arch non-AUR repos in the past few weeks and I played around with it and it's VERY pretty and has some sane functionality over gnome. But the one stumbling block (IMO) is the dogshit alt-tab. I don't know if it's a "usecase?".meme thing, but holy shit having multiple tabs open and the alt-tab ctrl+N being the last used at the very front is so weird.Like, why would I invoke alt-tab if I was going to stay on the window/"1"?
>>108230999Trips of truthRust trannies on suicide watch
>>108233196Still sounds dumb. Debian does, as you said, full releases. Yet Epoch are used as whatever.
>>108232840Are you using multiple languages? If I set ibus to Russian and xscreensaver comes on I can't log back in because its typing cyrillic characters into the password box.
>>108230944>tried PopOS on a new laptop because it has a RTX 5060 mobile and faggots on here told me that PopOS is the best bet for nvidia on laptops>First time using PopOS so have no idea about anything, also a linux beginner who has only ever used Mint Cinnamon before>Apparently when i installed PopOS it had JUST JUST switched to Cosmic>It looks really cool but I wanted to make changes by installing GNOME extensions>they basically dont work because new DE>also having issues whether wayland or x11 which i dont even understand >ask for help>anons call me a fag and a beta tester>i had no idea this is my first timei went back to windows 11
>>108236376Wait they actually threw their users onto cosmic? Must have missed that, i thought it's all fancy beta opt in yet. Guess they hate Gnome even more than i thought.Anyway what Gnome extensions did you miss? I still need to extend my bullshit oss contributions.
>>108236561nta, their supposed "1.0" was rushed out at the end of december and 24.04 was considered "stable". unaware normies were pretty much thrown into a beta desktop.
>>108236561>Wait they actually threw their users onto cosmic? Must have missed that, i thought it's all fancy beta opt in yet.i went to popos website and clicked download and it was cosmic. as a beginner i had no idea about any of this
>>108236625>>108236376PopOS is infamous for deleting user's packages, I wouldn't rely on their QA. Just use Debian.
>>108236561they did it once they finished the first epoch, yes. the updates for cosmic de itself on popos are almost daily, like on a rolling release.
>>108236561>>108236620>>108236625Beta? What's the use case?
>>108230944The use case is getting rid of GTK and Qt. Nothing else matters.
>>108236723What is cosmic using instead?
>>108236904A fork of iced called libcosmic, but slint is also treated as first class citizen.
>>108232934i first tried Pop on an old PC, then i tried it Fedora Cosmic on a Lenovo Legion laptop. It worked fine for a bit, but i kept getting "AUTH ERROR" and wouldn't let me login>>108235381no, just english. I looked up some forums that there are a bunch of login bugs.>>108236620quite literally this.
>>108232840>>108237249>can't loginI had this happen one boot back in alpha, you're telling me this still happens? lol
>>108231483You must have shit taste. KDE is the best desktop environment at the moment and I am including windows and MacOS in the bag
>>108230944I think a lot of people are just waiting for it to mature a bit. That and by this point I expect most people fed up with Gnome just moved on to KDE and have gotten used to it.
>>108230944>Fuck GNOME! We are going to make our own DE!>Makes a 1:1 clone of GNOME>Why is nobody using our DE???
>>108237541>most people fed up with Gnome just moved on to KDE and have gotten used to itpretty much this or Hyprland/Niri with some Quickshell config, I'd imagine
>>108236703if you stop and think about it, whats really the use case for wallpapers? most people never change them. they simply use what its already set to. removing the ability to be able to set a custom wallpaper would simplify the desktop experience and reduce developer maintenance burden.
Don’t use a DE and switch to a WM like dwm or Chadwm
Stop using tranny ware and just switch to Windows 10 LTSC
What even is the point of a desktop environment? All it really does is launch apps and tile windows, and handle rudimentary settings and configs. All the different shells for shit like Hyprland and niri popped up in a few months showing that the entirety of either GNOME or KDE is a few months, maybe a few years worth of actual work by a dev team of more than one person. >>108237451He's not saying KDE is bad, he's saying it looks like shit, brown-kun. And he's objectively correct, stock KDE is vomit given form.
>>108238140>X11>in 2026
>>108238209>What even is the point of a desktop environment?A one-stop shop for all of the common applications you would expect out of a computer tightly integrated together. It's like buying a house with appliances and furniture already set up for you. According to desktop environment stats the vast majority of people do not stray far from defaults so they don't expect to have to provide their own file manager, terminal, etc.
>>108238299>use Wayland4chan gets mad>use X114chan gets mad
>>108238385Use a wayland compositor and xlibre at the same time, that way you can make everyone maximally mad
Why can’t Wayland and X11 just take the most favored features out of the two and then just become one display manager, why does it have to be retarded troon autism on both sides.
>>108238474The two protocols' designs are entirely different and incompatible in how they operate. You cannot take a feature from one and put it in the other without writing an implementation of the general idea from scratch.
>>108238474I'll make the logo.
What happened to arcan, anyways?Regardless, I'll keep running my dbus-free, udev-free, patched to hell and back sway setup where I coldplug hardware like it's '99, put my user account in the video and input groups like a retard and run applications as root inside my compositor.
>>108230944I use Cosmic. What more do you want from me?
>>108239140Do you like it? What do you not like about it?
>>108237567>>Makes a 1:1 clone of GNOMEwut
>>108241499>he chose the vertical workspaces layoutThis hurts my brain. I tried it once and noped the fuck out and went back to horizontal. That's why I like COSMIC, it can be any DE you want it to be
>>108239647I don't like how cosmic-,comp is fucked. It either crashes OBS or freezes it while in use. Once they fix that I'll be using it as a daily.
>>108241518You might have Down's Syndrome. Have you been tested?
>>108241518horizontal workspaces hurt my brain, because i use the scrollwheel to switch workspaces when i hover the mouse cursor over the workspace applet.
>>108241499>posts inverted Ubuntuso yeah, GNOME
>>108241554>I use the scrollwheelFair enough
>>108241690>inverted UbuntuWhat does this even men
>>108230944it's mostly just missing hdr, but apparently it will only come next year(lol)
>>108238209>And he's objectively correct, stock KDE is vomit given form.And Shitnome looks better? Please.
>>108238209Stock KDE (bar the stupid float-bar change) is literally Window's taskbar with Windows 7-10-like categories and pinning apps to "favorites" for quick launch from the "start button."There is no way in hell stock KDE looks worse than Gnome which hides the Aqua-like dock behind the "launch center"-clone.At least in KDE you can make the dock not-hidden with the environment tweaker function. And Cosmic has the dock out of box not hidden by default behind a launcher. You can even have it auto-hide like OS X which Gnome doesn't allow unless you use extensions (usecase?.meme breaking it meanwhile)
>>108241891I wouldn't see an issue with that if we weren't just thrown into a "stable" DE. Basically no other DE than the big two support HDR, Sway has been a year away for years now..
>>108231483You can make kde look however you want. It’s way more customizable than windows or mac, or even gnome. It’s so customizable that if you can’t get it to look how you’d like it, that’s due to your own incompetence.
>>108242034Guess what, rice tranny. Average people don't want to toy endlessly with their UI, they want something intuitive ootb to do their job. Or even just start their game or whatnot, same thing eventually.If your DE needs more than 3minutes of customisations it's already a failure.
>>108242588>Average people don't want to toy endlessly with their UI, they want something intuitive ootb to do their job. Yeah, that's why they won't use Linux.
>>108242646Old cope. Moved the whole tech unsavy part of my family to linux during rona. Guess wha, most of them didn't even notice.>Looks a bit different, but all your important apps are in this big bar nowis all you need.
>>108242020the only reason GNOME gets all the "usecase" attention is because nobody even knows who Simon Ser is, Sway is single-handedly the worst Wayland compositor in terms of actually adding functionality and blocking upstream changes.
>>108244410Sway is just meant to be an i3 clone. I can't think of anything useful that could be added to it, same goes for i3.t. Swayfag
>>108244410Gnome gets the "usecase" attention because it's devs are hostile and retarded. Simon only makes up half of that.
>>108230999>trannyi personally dont give a single fuck about what kind of genitalia enjoy the faggot who wrote the programs i use, i dont fucking care
