Do you have a v4 setup yet? What's your node build? what are your favorite devices?Discuss
i just ordered one of these. pretty expensive but a blackberry that runs mesh and pentesting shit sounded too fun to pass up on.
>>108236279>>108236302So fucking cool!!! I wan't one, new rabbit hole. I just wonder is that tech can work across countries, if enough people use it.
>>108236350Meshcore and meshtasic both already work across countries in Europe. Meshcore IMO is better tho.I don't terribly like >>108236302 tho, the credit card or usbstick sized models + smartphone are better in practical use if you ask me.
>>108236383Thanks, I'm reading into it! Why do you think that Meshcore is better?
>>108236383you're right, but relying on the cell phone just doesn't feel philosophically right for the whole alt-grid internet experience.
>>108236350Sadly they wont without a long distance and frequency interpolation/relay layer. UK/US use completely different frequencies for LoRA because ReGuLaTiOnS
>>108236279what's the range of this line of sight?Like if I put a solar powered node up on a hill somewhere, how far can I expect it to reach?
>>108236615realistically at high altitude with good line of sight and a good setup you should see at least 30-50 miles of range regularly. its gone up to like 250 miles i think. kinda crazy from where it started.
>>108236615>>108236824https://meshtastic.org/docs/overview/range-tests/205 miles is the record
>>108236279So from what I saw, it seems like Meshcore is the way to go. I also compared the maps of both services, it's insane how many people use that shit, even in europe. I really like it, I might get into it.
>>108236847I've done more from a plane
>>108236302You aint "pentesting" shit with that toy, bro.
>>108237040for now yeah. its wholly reliant on dedicated repeaters, while meshtastic every endpoint device is also a node/repeater. for regular offgrid either is probably fine, if you're looking to create actual infrastructure use MeshCore, if you want the most resilient, decentralized, SHTF tech, that's still meshtastic.the good news is most devices can run both firmwares.
>>108237191>if you're looking to create actual infrastructure use MeshCoresounds good> if you want the most resilient, decentralized, SHTF tech, that's still meshtastic.sounds better>the good news is most devices can run both firmwares.perfect, thanks.
>>108237172i mean call it what you want but it runs bruce and has like 3 radios.... i know theres not much stuff a ESP32 can actually break but the good news is you don't really need a powerful chip to penetrate your mom.
>>108237191>if you're looking to create actual infrastructure use MeshCoreInfrastructure as in an actual alternative to fibreoptic networks or just for SHTF scenarios?
>>108237652>alternative to fiberopticwell no... its radio... so no it is not going to be a replacement for fiber. but MeshCore can be implemented in such a way that it is usable on a very large scale in a fairly stable way, or a robust way to communicate between two fixed locations. This tech isn't going to replace your internet connection. it's a way to get secure, encryptable comms on your own infrastructure not reliant on large grid networks. by comms i mean strictly communications. you're not going to be gaming over LoRA.
>>108237681I know it's radio, I'm not expecting netflix or even real time audio over any of these networks just something more than glorified backup channels for when your SMS gateway for notifications goes down.
>>108236279>Trannies Ruin Everything: thread#354827
>>108237774that's precisely the current use - SMS type text messages for humans to write to each other, or equivalent status messages from devices.it works on very low power requirements and factually a lot of the network is actually set up to be autonomously powered by solar power and such already, or has significant (in terms of hours) battery life. it will actually be useful against various other data network failures and/or power failures and such.
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>>108236279I do have a Heltec v4 and a TTGO, both with an esp32. I wanna try one with the nRF microcontroller.
>>108236602So it's basically European intranet? Sounds based as fuck.
>>108236602>>108239662Different regions use different frequencies.
>>108236279I have a Heltec v3 and I'm building a solar node. Pro-tip for a solar build: go for a RAK and it will save you a lot of headaches
>>108236279Bump.
I've invested a bunch into this shit and it actually fucking sucks shit, heres why.you can build out YOUR area to be very well covered and work fine, and the second you travel or go over a few cities, its complete shit with spotty coverage that will make it impossible to use for anything useful like idk communicate with others.and I say this living in one of the largest functioning MT mesh with around ~1200 unique nodes a month and ~400 regulars.Everyone builds out in their own way and budget sure but the problem is someone can just slap up literal trash and make a dot show up on a map and it discourages others from putting up anything better while no one ACTUALLY checks the performance of it. the entire thing becomes unusable without a dedicated node stuck on your roof and you cant use it almost anywhere else in the city, doesnt work indoors doesnt work in your car, ect. most of my nodes are based on a ebyte e22p-915m30s module connected to whatever "node" hardware suits the location. this module is 30-31dbm conducted with a decent LNA and most critically, a ceramic bandpass filter, all slapped into one inexpensive module. They build strong meshes when paired with legitimate antennas and good vantage points.
>>108241131Hmm not my experience in Europe and even less so on Meshcore. I just received a "good day" type of message over 24 hops / multiple cointries away which is starting to be unreliable but still, it happens. Yes, European countries can be fairly small, but not like cities and the point is perhaps more that the random stock repeaters people use are often good enough. It may even only take one well placed repeater to cover a whole city, but of course there can easily be multiple.
>>108241131bandpass filters are garbage for LoRa, they create too much loss, cavity filters are largely preferred
>>108241131Honestly this is why my biggest hope was reticulum but that's out of development as far as I know.
>>108241131>nearly brand new technology>not enough people use it so it sucks????who the fuck has expectations like this?>>108243874Reticulum is neat in some use cases but it's way too heavily tied to everything else. Agnostic coms/hardware means it just has way too many surfaces exposed to large compute and the broader internet. Its a good solve if you absolutely must hack something together but in the resiliency use case it would be the easiest to completely fuck up your shit. What's the point of the alt grid if you're not incentivized to actually use the tech layer that makes it alternative in the first place?>>108239784noted, ty
>>108244048>What's the point of the alt grid if you're not incentivized to actually use the tech layer that makes it alternative in the first place?Who's saying you shouldn't run your local nodes with low power lorawan or whatever? In my opinion reticulum could have been great because it would have allowed a fallback to fibreoptic networks to connect otherwise isolated networks, theoretically (as utopic as it is) even using your own private dark fibre networks entirely outside of the normal internet.
>>108243690Check the datasheets. It's 2.some db of insertion loss, but the PA conducts 33.2ish db, they are using the insertion loss to cut the power down to the "legal" 1w conducted limit.As for receiving power, while the BF does drop it, they are able to increase the power of the LNA to compensate.The filter becomes free.And yes a cavity filter would be better sure but only for a wee bit of receiving power, unless of course you just blow past the legal limits on TX which most do and that's fine I guess.But this brings me to my next complaint that people think cavity filters are pure magic. Yes in most cases using one helps, but the cheap ass radio is not designed to take full advantage of it. Every radio sold today has to survive without a filter, because they are sold without one. With a filter you should be able to greatly improve receiving power by increasing the gain on the LNA, but it's a fixed value you can't adjust so to me it's a bit underwhelming. >>108244048>who the fuck has expectations like this?You're missing the point. The mesh here is built well enough, more than enough people use it. It sucks because some people in highly advantageous areas are running sub-optimal hardware. It also sucks because there is too much telemetry and info data which causes routers to get overwhelmed when positioned in "too good" of a spot. Something people say meshcore fixes but I don't see the fix, I just see a higher amount of people before it becomes the same problem.
Meshcore chuds ww@
>>108244555Hey there mesh friend
>>108237040>europeI just looked at the map on their site and holy fuck I'm mirin'German autism wins again, meanwhile my country next door is fucking empty except for one city.
>>108243874Reticulum is not dead, it's still being worked on and the whole api has been completed now.The dev just chose to close down the issues page and discussions forum on github. Stuff like pull requests are still being acceptedInfact many more new applications are being developed for Reticulum nowhttps://reticulum.network/manual/software.html
>>108236579>relying on the cell phone just doesn't feel philosophically right for the whole alt-grid internet experience.Does it matter?If you don't connect it to cellular or wifi, it's no difference.This idea that using a smartphone for the interface to be against the "off-grid" is all just about retarded aesthetics.You're off-grid when you are not using a large scale corporate/governmental infrastructure.Using a smartphone as a interface makes no difference.Now there are other reasons to stay away from smartphones, but the reasoning it's not "off-grid" is pathetic.
>>108238479are those trannies trying to take away your manhood? are they fingering your ass? are those imaginary trannies molesting you? why are so so fucking retarded?
