>>108236351oh no it's flickering in a way my eyes can't even see, how terrible
>>108236351*blocks ur path*huahuehuahue
>>108236390But human eye can't see above 60 hertz!
Post brands and models plz
>>108236390You are a fucking moron. Please get the worst flickering LED you can find.
>>108236351why dont they convert them to dc?
>>108236351Which ones are good
>>108236351>>108236670i spent over $600 on new bulbs and light fixtures on the new housei bought everything from costcoover 120 bulbs replaced around the house.all LED, all 2700K (except bathroom)been 6 years only 1 bulb has gone bad.
>>108236774>over 120 bulbsYou don't need this many light bulbs.
>>108236780Use case for under 120 lightbulbs?
>>108236774We here IN GERMANY don't do that, out grid is so unstable, thanks to the solar bullshit, where everybody deems it his god given right to pump power into the grid, during times it doesn't need it, and this causing fluctuations that kills LEDs extremely fast.
>>108237255>we don't take our meds in germany
>>108237255do you not have circuit breakers in germany or what
>>108236774>all 2700K (except bathroom)not putting the piss light in the piss room is pretty funny
>>108236412>getting sunbrun insideno thanks
>>108236774>all LEDIncandescent now and forever! I'll put oven lamps in all my fixtures before I buy that garbage.
>>108236351Thanks for posting this.There are some retards who think all LEDs are flicker hell still.
>>108237255>and this causing fluctuations that kills LEDs extremely fast.Would be worse for incandescents.Maybe get CFLs instead?
>>108239219>Would be worse for incandescentsExplain the mechanism by which you came to this conclusion.I'm not incandescent luddite but I very much doubt this to be the case, after all basically the only variable affecting lightbulb lifetime is tungsten evaporation which is pegged to filament temperature which is very much independent of the micro-fluctuations in the grid
>>108239317NTA but most modern LEDs use a linear current regulator, which will generate a little more waste heat if there are voltage spikes (within reason, if you're spiking up by hundreds+ volts you have bigger issues) but should otherwise be unaffected. But incandescent are just big dumb resistive loads and will pass more much more current (and thus be under more stress) if there are voltage spikes.
>>108239352>and thus be under more stressNot necessarily, it will only be under increased stress if the spike markedly raises the filament temperature which isn't instantenous and usually too long for voltage spikes to affect. It's not instant becasuse the filament has a thermal mass that resists change in temperature, it's a hair thin tungsten wire but it has one nonetheless.>which will generate a little more waste heat if there are voltage spikesI still don't understand why we don't have DC sockets and light fixtures with builtin power supplies. This would solve every lifetime problem of LED bulbs overnight, would it confuse the electricians or something?
>>108239317>Explain the mechanism by which you came to this conclusion.Incandescent lights hate power fluctuating because that is fluctuation of heat in the filament.
>>108236351I don't fucking care, my monitor is the only active light source most of the time.
>>108236787Nigga do you live in a castle a normal home/apartment doesnt need that many
>>108239126This could be fun but at some point the perma- resting bitchface expression gets really old. Wake me up once it can do convincing expressions.
>>108236756>Which ones are goodEasy>the ones that do not flicker at all (film them with your phone, the ones without rolling shutter shit are fine)>CRI / RA above 90. Under 90 everything in your room will look strangely de saturated and uglyThe rest is matter of taste like color temp (some people like neutral light, others like it warm) and of course power output. Just keep those two greens in mind when buying.
>>108236412he found a way to bottle light???? BRAZIL SUPER POWER 2030
>>108239489Maybe he has one of those Hollywood cinema entrance signs in his living room.
>>108237255you must be a commie living in berlinI can't even remember the last time there was a blackoutmaybe for an hour in 2015 or so
>>108236351Lol lmao even
>>108240304>go back to ssleep, goy>dont mind that your energy infrastryucture got sold to the kikes for pennies>ah no, wait>we actually need thatgeglmao
>>108240497let them free you fucking monster
>>108236351What is actually the technical difference between those that flicker and those that do NOT flicker?LED's run on DC so they all do conversion but why are some shit at it? Do the non flicker ones just have beefier capacitors in them?
>>108236780Do you live in a shack? Each room in a house has 5-10 bulbs excepting maybe bathrooms.
>>108240668I have a pretty large house but 99% of the bulbs are dead.
>>108240668>>108240680NTA just wanted to share.
>>108240610Some flicker faster than others >>108240540NEVER
Not a problem, I never turn the lights on
>>108241092>>108239441your eyes must hate you
I hate flickery, low quality LED bulbs so much and mostly prefer incandescents or quality late period CFL but I am running low on both so recently tried some stupidly expensive LEDs called sunsy shine and they are actually pretty good, definitely the best quality of light I have seen out of an LED.
>>108236351i solved this problem by buying a gross of CFLs for $0.50 each on closeout when my faggot state made them illegal. bonus they don't flash like a disco when i run a load of laundry in the washer
>>108241706the expensive ones flicker too i've tried them all. all edison base LED bulbs are diarrhea dogshit prove me wrong.the LED fixtures with an actual power supply brick inside them are ok though.even better if they support 0-10v dimming but it requires extra wiring.
>>108241727>the expensive ones flicker tooI have some Osram ones and they do not flicker but it's a complete gamble. Some other models of the same brand do flicker. Overall it seems like they're SLOWLY taking care of that shit.
Another thing I find VERY interesting. So I can't stand cold light at home, hence I always buy 2700k bulbs. Cheap 2700k LEDs make the light look like PISS yellow while the good ones (same light temp - 2700k) make the light SEEM "neutral" and only when you let actual sky / sunlight in you'll see that the light of those bulbs is actually really warm. So I wonder if that's part of the bad color rendering of low quality LEDs or some completely different issue. Either way, I'm glad LED bulbs with decent colors do exist nowadays.
>>108236737eyes cant see it
>>108240532>ai goy calls others goys
>>108236412>be a billion brownoids living in sheet metal huts with plastic trash all around you>somehow none of you ever manage to improvise a skylight so you're not sitting in the dark all day>a white man has to do it for youColonialism and slavery were bad because they spread these people everywhere.
>>1082421842700k was always like that.On it's own it seems neutral but the moment you introduce another cooler light source within your FOV you realize how yellow it is.Really cheap LEDs make it apparentI personally cant stand 2700k in general whether it be incandescent or LED.Of course LEDs give you plenty of options nowadays. I like 4000k, as close to a true neutral as you can reasonably get without much tint either way even with contrasting of other light sources.
Dont give a fuck. Still use halogen and tungsten bulbs i can get from amazon here in austria.Leds are fuckshit. Soon gonna buy a 5kw halogen bulb just for fun. Currently my max is 2KW halogen.
>>108236351Sorry, the Lexman bulbs are the best we have here. >>108236390There's a reason why people complained about flickering on CRT's being bad for you and why LCD screens were advertised as "flicker free" to reduce eye strain.
>>108236351What is the shutter speed?
>>108243152hey now anonat least they can maintain what was gifted toward them and even build copies of it by themselvesunlike a certain other third world country...
>>108236787the human eye cant see more than 60 lightbulbs
>>108242184>>108243229Take the 2200K ultrapiss pill, cozy for dim evening lighting. Wide spectrum adjustable temperature high CRI everywhere would be ideal.
>>108243686Why not tint towatds orange why yellow orange is much cosier
>>108236390Fill your home with them and get back to us in a week.
>>108243790Or amber rather, amber bulbs would be kino
>>108240668>Each room in a house has 5-10 bulbsdo Americans really?here in GERMANY we only have 1 bulb in a room for energy saving.
>>108242184White LED are legit causing mental illness in people and making everyone neurotic since, when the brain sees yellow light in the dark, it thinks "Oh it's Dusk, time to sleep" and allows the body relax.Meanwhile white LED light just causes a continuous state of "Wake up and get shit done", spiking cortisol and causing a minimum constant amount of stress.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29251065/Basically: White LED at home is causing everyone to become neurotic aggressive sleep-deprived retards.
>>1082438132200K is sometimes marketed as amber, it's orange AF makes everyone look sexy
>>108236780You only need your phone's flashlight and something for the desk and kitchen really.
>>108236351wow
>>108239126>being a sissyno thanks>>108237323Because exactly you need to observe the piss.
>being a sissy>no thanksso you admit you are black
>>108240668Surely that can't be real. Here in France most rooms only have a single light bulb. Sometimes, rich people have weird fixtures with a few bulbs in them, but that's definitely not the norm.
>>108236351Fun fact: People with autism can see lights flickering like this without aid. We're not really sure why, but it's one of the actual hard-line proofs we have that autism is a genuine condition instead of just psychology mumbo-jumbo. I personally got headaches a lot in middle school because I was effectively exposed to strobe lights as my main illumination for 7-8 hours a day.I think it has something to do with the different way the two hemispheres of the brain are connected, maybe there's some sort of literal desync happening, who knows.
>>108245402autism is suffering
>>108245402That's mostly rumors pushed to retarded white women with nothing better to do around the house by "healthy led lighting" companies. There is literally no academic work on light sensitivity in autists even the low functioning ones.
>>108236390your eyes can see it but your brain is too slow to perceive it.
>>108247357Me and my autistic friends see it. I literally just said I got headaches because it was like constantly being around strobelights. Retard.
>>108247923Sure, whatever, your opinion is worthless to me because the research does not exist and I can imagine an anecdote contrary to yoursBeing somewhat socially awkward doesn't make you autistic
>>108247969https://www.lmgt.com/?q=autism+fluorescent+light+flicker
>>108245402>>108247357>>108247969Not diagnosed but I do have the ability to see flicker with just my vision.Always funny to point put a light and show them with a slow motion video of what I'm seeing after the fact.I dont think it's autism and more an eye condition I have that causes small involuntary eye movements. Motion is where flicker is most apparent.I cannot tell if the flicker is minor like an incandescent or smoothed LED bulb but completely unsmoothed LEDs, PWM controlled LEDs (like on a car) and high intensity discharge lamps on magnetic ballasts are plainly visible when it's apparent no one else sees it.
>>108248000I don't take accounts of redditors and americans for evidence>Most studies examined auditory stimuli, with few focusing on lightingeffects. Sensory responses of autistic individuals were atypical, including reducedhabituation to sounds, impaired sensory gating, and increased sensitivity tonoises. A natural soundscape is more effective at regulating the body thanclinical white noise. Visual research is limited, with no studies on photophobiaor modern lighting. Audiovisual studies show delayed speech processing, sloweradaptation to asynchrony, and reduced susceptibility to multisensory illusions,reflecting detail-focused perception.>doi: 10.3389/fpsyt.2026.1771956
>>108236412This is all well and good if you're lighting a one story building with a thin roof. For larger buildings there's a much more complex system that has panels on the roof that collect light and concentrate it into fiber optic cables that lead to fixtures that refract it around rooms.But that's still only good on sunny days. You're going to need artificial lights sometime, so get some quality LEDs where they smooth out the flicker with a capacitor.
How much of a melvin do you need to be to be hurt by a lighbulb?
>>108243869Well Germany is a shithole so that makes sense
>>108236390I can see it, nigger
>>108248174dude fluorescent lights flicker at only 100-120 times per second. There are plenty of people that insist you need that many frames for a game in order to not see it as jittery, so a strobing light effect really is not that crazy...
R8 my setup>https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/106992286/#106992921
>>108248501Epilepsy
>>108248174oh that's weird so you read that paper? the one behind the paywall? Or did you just read the abstract and assume it was related to the subject?
>>108251110Your pre-fabricated twitter gotcha is incompatible with the above average technical knowledge (basic internet usage) exhibited by the users of this obscure imageboard. You need new material
>>108249203It's <b>entirely</b> bulb dependent and everyone being able to see it would defeat the point he was trying to makeYou can hook up an atx psu you dug out of scrap to a tiny led light and it will flicker less than a 20 usd lightbulb from amazon, it's all about the power supply
Incandescent light is comfy.LED light is shitty.Simple as.
>>108240668so you have like 20 rooms? what do you do with each one?
>>108243585This. It's the only reason we are seeing flickering. It has nothing to do with how fast these bulbs are turning on and off, it's to do with how in-sync (beat freq) whatever that frequency is with the shutterspeed. In otherwords, unless you have OPs specific version of camera for eyeballs, this test is irrelevant.
>>108248664Germany really is a shithole. I lived there for 12 years but had to leave because landlord was dumping sewage into my well to force me to leave the house. Why? Because rental contract did not stipulate rent had to increase with inflation, and the 5% or whatever it deviated over 10 years would keep him up at night to the point he made a plan to poison pregnant gf and kill our baby. Twice. We tried to sue him but judge/lawyer told me German landlord has a right to prevent me from having the water tested for e.coli because that's his private information.Landlord is a company with 250 employees and a legal team. We were an English man and German women who just wanted a family. Baden Wuttemburg 2025. Absolute shithole, literally.
>>108253398>It has nothing to do with how fast these bulbs are turning on and off, it's to do with how in-sync (beat freq) whatever that frequency is with the shutterspeedtheoretically this could be true, but it's absolutely not.
>>108253622based on what, schizo? Is rolling shutter is a jewish plot too?
>>108253902>They see me rollin', they gate'n>Controlin', tryin to give epilepsy
>>108253430>You're on 4chan>You have a girlfriend>Shes was Pregnant>In one of the most developed countries in the world you drank well water?>In Baden Wuttemburg>Your landlord redirected sweage into it you didn't sue him??????????
>>108253430That's Aryan behavior.
>>108253947so nothing, alr
>>108253902NTA but shutter speed only changes the size of the banding when flicker is present, you can adjust shutter to get rid of visible banding.However, when flicker is not present in a light source you do not get banding at any shutter speed.People use the excuse of flickering lights/banding as just camera shutter, but the reality is that it's flicking and why it only effects some lights.You can't get banding from a camera with the sun
I don't have any lightbulbs in my house.
>>108253982>>In one of the most developed countries in the world you drank well water?It's amazing how much of /g/ have never gone outside a city
>>108254043Your fucking fault for not drinking filtered water.
>>108254132My water quality is better than the citiy's unironically, I control my well and don't pay for water.Having water piped in would be a downgrade
>>108254148Yeah, but it'd be landlord-proof.
Shill me your bulb
No
>>108239317P=U*I
>>108237255they know yet if its ac or dc?
>>108254204We're talking about grid instability solar inverter spikes not persistently high voltage, you have no idea what you're talking about
>>108254241Must be genderfluid.
>>108254248>you have no idea what you're talking aboutno anon, you have no idea what you are talking about. Zero. You have no clue about solar, the grit, voltage tolerance, why it happens in the first place and how grit engineers solved the issue in new installations.
>>108236737All non-incandescent bulbs flicker. These "worst" ones just flicker in sync with this particular camera, making them look bad on your screen, but you won't notice them in your room.
>>108254443Return to the topic at hand instead of insisting I don't know what I already know.
>>108254510Fuck your Bauer you old Canadian fuck
>>108254510i already told you >>108254204The inverter spikes you are phantasizing about do really exist, but in reallity its a local voltage rise at the secondary side of the grit transformer and they are persistant the entire time the sun shines really hard, multiple hours on a cloudless sunny day.The specifics depend on the local installation, mainly Installed peak power and the actual grit transformer. here +10% or 250v is still in spec and on a trash installation you even hear of 260v and more.Due to a lack of driver circuit, ohms law is what drastically lowers an incandescent bulbs lifetime during such a period, the 250v on a 60w bulbs is like 15% overclock in /g/ terms
>>108254465>All non-incandescent bulbs flicker.All incandescent bulbs running on AC flicker.on DC they don't.All LED bulbs convert mains AC to DC.Due to retarded electronics design some flicker, while properly designed ones don't.The flicker of incandescent bulbs is softened by the fact that the filament glows for some time after being powered.LED bulbs can have a similar softening mechanism if they use a good quality phosphor which glows for some time after excitation. A very high frequency (kHz) + long decay phosphor can make a LED bulb effectively flicker free. Shitty LED bulbs have a low frequency and poor phosphor producing a square wave flicker>These "worst" ones just flicker in sync with this particular camera, making them look bad on your screennope, the various flicker frequencies and phosphors used make them look different from each other.>but you won't notice them in your room.you won't notice them in your room, but some people and pets will.
>>108254775I must be deluding myself to believe in the existance of my 3 separate installations one of which is monkeypatched garbage from the scrapyard and aliexpress which is why I can't call my utility on this>here +10% or 250v is still in spec and on a trash installation you even hear of 260v and more.I have no idea why you're telling me this, I told you I know this, it's a very simple conceptI'd post traces of my line voltage but it's bedtime mid winterincandescent bulb derating is not ohmic by the way, 10% over rated voltage slashes the lifetime to a third
>>108255089>my 3 separate installationsburger grits that have a million utility post transformers per village are at least independent of their neighbors. Here potentially an entire village with 100+ houses and comercial buildings sit on a single transformer, thats quite a difference in installed pv capacity
>>108236737Yes, yes (you) are.
>>108254779>LED bulbs can have a similar softening mechanism if they use a good quality phosphor which glows for some time after excitationYou probably won't find a phosphor with enough delay to make a difference.The biggest thing for LEDs is just giving them a proper DC power supply.Why this is so difficult for LED bulbs in particular I have no clue. We got tiny GAN DC power supplies that can deliver tens of watts of perfectly smooth DC (barring ripple) yet hardly anyone can put a proper 5w supply in a bulb.There is no need for LEDs to be driven where they must be rapidly pulsed on and off.
>>108254779>you won't notice them in your room, but some people and pets will.I notice them when seeing the light through my peripheral vision.while all the normies don't see it and think Im making it up
>>108255561>There is no need for LEDs to be driven where they must be rapidly pulsed on and off.Part of the problem is that an LED which pulses can claim higher energy efficiency than one that doesn't.
>>108236351incandescent doesn't have these problems theyve made them illegal because they want to make everyone mentally ill by limiting their redlight exposure, redlight is good for you and leds do not make it
>>108256191Correct, it's the phospors that make itYou've been lied to by ecelebs
>>108256477incandescent spectrum, this is why its illegal
>>108256514its not illegal for that, is for the huge part at the right of what your graphic shows
>>108256514It's illegal because it's shit but I can't in good faith expect from you the nuance needed to understand 90% cost savings, for the low low price of nothing, well at least these days.Market surveys show there is no discernable diffrence for the "goycattle" if you account for social media propaganda campaigns of the big lightbulb
>>108256514That's why they're also banning red lampshades! Probably.>Posting in a retarded thread <3
>>108256583it only uses about 4x the power of an led bulb but provides red light which is good for you and a far more realistic cri because it is natural light. theres is no good reason for governents to make them illegal other than because led bulbs make you mentally ill. mental illness benefits governments
>>108256724>only uses about 4x the powerNot a thing>red light which is good for youResearch mostly inconclusive for ambient light>theres is no good reasonthere is a good reason: they're shitThe only mentally ill retard here is you
>>108256724So I guess you must really be benefitting the government then.
>>108256841>>108256828enjoy your mental illness from led flicker and blue light rape
>>108256849get a lamp with like 4 bulb positions and put a red led bulb in one, it would make way more sense than what you are sugesting
>>108256903or or or you could just use an incandescent bulb which is a perfect representation of natural light
based retard keeps talking about red light, but it's actually infra-red light which is not present in normal LED bulbs.And yes, infra-red light is important to human health.
>>108256947Cite anything on the topic really, go ahead
>>108256191>>108256514>lightbulb thread>incandescent and/or sodium schizos rush in to post their mental illness to the world
>>108257334t. brain raped by blue light
>>108236351That's just refresh rate missmatch.
>>108256191>they want to make everyone mentally ill by limiting their redlight exposureSure worked on you I guess>redlight is good for you and leds do not make itYeah, I've never seen any red LED in my life either
>>108257157UV, visible, and infrared light trigger nitric oxide release, which is a highly beneficial compound in the body. Infrared penetrates deeper into tissue than other wavelengths. Look into the benefits of infrared saunas.
>>1082586071. I told you to post studies, not healthy living SEO bullshit and anecdotes 2. A lightbulb has a miniscule infrared output compared to an infrared heater
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>>108236390Retard.
>>108240668is all your lighting recessed or what? why do you need 5 bulbs let alone 10 for a room?
>>108258709Humans have lived with fire as the night time light source for tens if not hundreds of thousands of years.Our bodies have evolved to expect and benefit from it.Incandescent bulbs provide a similar spectrum to fire.A LED lightbulb that consumes 10W is sold as a 60W equivalent.That's 50W of infrared / heat energy that your skin and eyes are not receiving.Our bodies do NOT expect blue light in the evening, especially the deep nearly violet blue that many LEDs emit. In addition to suppressing melatonin, the blue light is killing retinal cells at the time the when retinal cells are expecting red/infrared to recover from daylight exposure.
>>108261691>Our bodies have evolved to expect and benefit from it.No.
>>108236351Where can you even buy cheap incandescents anymore? Online is super expensive and bulk only and retail stores banned them everywhere
>>108261429>>108261691Thank you for your concession, I feel validated I'm above the lowest common denominator of soiciety
>>108261739Why don't you believe in evolution, Anon?
So what bulbs should I buy at the store anyway like what brand
>>108253430Nice LARP, but...>In Germany, landlords cannot prevent tenants from testing their water for E. coli, as tenants have the right to ensure their drinking water quality.Literally, there is NO law in Germany that will allow a landlord to stop a tenant from testing their water. I'll wait for you to point one out since I know you can't.
>>108262972The cheapest Philips were at one point flicker-free. GE Bright Stiks were also decent, only flickering for a second during start-up. Unfortunately they change up the electronics without changing the model name, so you really need to test in-person.
>>108253430>english manAs much as it pains me to say, the landlord was right.
>>108258141>>108257334led shills seething
