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I believe I found a bug in Linux Mint (22.2)...
I was really bothered by my battery life but I found that in BIOS the graphics was set to 'discreet' so I switched it to 'switchable graphics' and restarted. I set the graphics mode to AMD (Power-Saving Mode) and was glad that I was able to get slightly better battery life. However when I switched to NVIDIA (On-Demand) graphics, after I logged out and logged back in, I found that whatever brightness % I was using in Power Saving Mode was also being used in On-Demand Mode, and I am unable to adjust the brightness. The keys work but the brightness is stuck. The same also happens when I switch to NVIDIA (Performance Mode). Is there anyway way to fix this without only using 'discreet' mode in BIOS? I don't primarily game (I have like 2 games), so I would rather not have graphics use my battery.

>>108241155
My gpu uses like 3 watts if I'm doing nothing but browsing internet and having a terminal open. Less than a lightbulb pretty much..

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I'm having a little trouble with my Thermalright Frozen Warframe. Tried to use AI To help me fix it, and now it's in a constant state of rebooting. Something to do with it not being able to handle the midiUSB Or something.

Anyone used one and got it to work on Linux?

>>108241275
I have a 1650 ti, not sure if that's more power hungry than yours or not.
it seems other people have this problem when using 'switchable graphics'
https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=428477&hilit=askubuntu&sid=5cdcee3718bf9146928dd14fc11d9a16&start=20
has anyone tried editing this line in /etc/default/grub?

GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="acpi_backlight=native quiet splash"

>Be me
>Pop OS with GNOME daily driver
>Works great for gaming, development, AI
>Run Slackware on VM
>Run Gentoo on VM
>Run LFS on VM
>Get the best of all worlds
>Win.

Using wofi, some programs are marked with a little > before their name and icon. Why is that? Looking through the man pages they seem to have nothing on this.

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I've just built my custom linux kernel.
It took 3 hours to compile on my potato laptop.
I've got errors while booting on it.
I'm gonna kms myself.

>>108241495
Just use LFS and follow the wiki

>>108241495
Just build the CachyOS kernel and modify its config

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Is there any /mu/ autist around? I need help, i always wanted to sort out my music but it's a convulted mess, the only somewhat resembling order is me doing a basic as fuck artist > album directory hierarchy, but tags are all over the place. Often relying on chaining fzf and other shit for file search. I have an ever growing dump of shit into an "unsorted/" directory. 99% things you can't find anywhere else. Mostly muh gaym related content. I don't know. Is there's some sort of "meta-album" thing you can embed as part of standard opus metadata? Something like a big ass album of "remixes" with a lot of different artists? IDK, it's rather anticlimatic to have any fancy media player dump Candlemass with things like this unless i launch them one by one mpd style:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvie_rjKZvA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLYoOIpoZ3E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX0C0BMr8iY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE2UlOsB7kQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE2UlOsB7kQ

>>108241584
>Open browser
>Go to Claude
>Hey Claude I need a python script to do (explain everything you want)
>Ok I got it
>Go play with your peepee for a bit
>Come back and download the py file
>Execute it, sort your shitty music
Done.

>>108241609
>*Claude proceeds to rm -rf your entire music collection*

>>108241618
Claude's like the least one to do that

>>108241358
pop is great, unironically, but i wouldn't recommend it to noobs that have never used linux before.

>>108241584
>artist/album directory hierarchy
I have everything organized like that
>tags are all over the place
Same here, I've been meaning to clean them up for a while now
>Mostly muh gaym related content
Music/VGM
>Is there's some sort of "meta-album" thing you can embed as part of standard opus metadata?
I'd assume you just use the same ALBUM tag

the first time i used linux was red hat 6.0 in 1999
it was the summer after 8th grade and i took a night course at the local college for fun
the desktop user experience was complete and total dogshit. the basic understanding of my teacher and classmates (working adults) was that this shit is for servers only
windows 11 is not very much better than red hat 6.0 was

>>108241495
What processor and how many cores? 3 hours sounds like you did a half assed job going thru the configuration. Browse it ALL thru, there's loads and loads of menus with literal hundreds of options to turn off. My old 4-core Intel Sandy Bridge laptop compiled its own kernel in like 20 minutes.
>I've got errors while booting on it.
How did you boot it? Case you don't have full disk encryption or your root isn't inside LVM or RAID or anything you can just EFI stub it.
But when you do EFI-stub, remember you have to say Yes (Y) to whatever required for mounting the root. Like let's say you got an NVMe drive and your root is EXT4 you got to say Yes to those, not Module (M).
And oh, give the PARTUUID as the boot argument, not filesystem UUID.
>>108241517
How does LFS help?

>>108241495
>kms myself
You're going to kernel modeset yourself?

are there any Android emulators for linux that can let me play most games? namely wanna just play PTCG Pocket. tried Waydroid and a couple things that were supposed to translate ARM to x86_64 but even then it didn't wanna work

Hi friends, I'm trying to add a new LVM group to /etc/fstab on cachyos (with GRUB) but running into issues on reboot.

I think the issue is with /usr/bin/lvm, the volume group isn't under /dev/mapper during boot and the job times out, when I'm in the emergency shell I can manually activate the volume using vgchange and everything boots up normally afterwards.

Anyone run into this issue before? I've run update-initramfs and it still fails. fstab file is fine and the volgroup entry is by UUID.

>be me
>buy new mouse
>notice that moving/resizing windws is laggy and destroys my cpu
>figure out it's because the new mouse has 8x the polling rate i'of the old one
>open up WM's source code, find out how motion events get handled
>add one line that drops the event if it happens too soon after the previous one
>problem solved
Man, I love that this shit is possible.

>>108241689
Why not? I didn't have any problems with it, and I didn't know jack shit about gnu/linux before choosing pop

>>108242413
You could just lower the polling rate of the USB to something sensible instead of raping your CPU for no reason.

>>108242433
They recently swapped from GNOME+extensions to their own desktop environment called COSMIC. It's a decent DE, but it is still new and has some kinks to be worked out. If you like it there's no reason to switch, but you may run into edge cases which cause problems.

>>108242572
This.
I won't even consider trying Cosmic again (I tried it when it was an alpha and then it really wasn't ready, my screens were flickering like crazy under it but now it's a beta quality) until they get HDR working.
GNOME and KDE have both got that working nicely now. Once Cosmic has proper colour management and HDR then I will consider trying it again.

>>108242480
I want the high polling rate in aplications tho. 500Hz just feels a lot smoother than 125Hz. But updating a window's position every 2ms is just too much of a CPU hog.

>>108241155
Stop using Mint and use Arch or CachyOS with KDE

>>108242980
I'm already messing with arch on another desktop, but I don't wanna use a rolling release as a primary gaming/general use laptop. That being said you might be the 9000th +1 person to tell me to use Cachy. I feel like I'd still have a problem with my backlight, I might even get more with Wayland. That being said !! ...I might plug in an unused NVME and install Cachy to try it out with switchable graphics. But I would still like a solution because I really like Mint and don't wanna distro hop like a retard.

(FUCK THIS STUPID NEW CAPTCHA)

>>108243033
yeah a lot of people think it appropriate to tell you to change system when you have a bug. ignore them.
also cachyos is just the fotm, i'm sure it'll be something else next month.

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>>108243063
you're right anon, good advice
have a tux

>>108241155
>am unable to adjust the brightness
I have the same issue with an AMD+nVidia GPU laptop. And the same issue happens in Windows 11 on the same laptop. So it's not a Linux or a Mint issue. nVidia just sucks ass in general. There's a reason why most people don't have nVidia GPUs.

>>108243082
dang if what you say is true, then its probably the same issue on windows 10. my buddy gave it to me as a gift because he doesn't use it as much but when I got it from him, it was set to discrete mode in BIOS so maybe he set it that way? I'll ask.

>>108242853
I guess there's just something wrong with your system then. 500Hz isn't that high of a polling rate. My mouse maxes out at 1000Hz and there's no CPU issues here.

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How do i clean up my SSD from old windows files so i could put it to use? How do i mount it properly to Linux Mint?

>>108243233
Use CCleaner

>>108243157
I checked the specs again and apparently it's 1000Hz (Ajazz AJ179 V2). And the only place i notoced problems was dragging windows.
Maybe whatever window manager you're using is handling movement events more intelligenly, tossing out superfluous ones. I just know that i had to modify openbox to do the same and I felt happy about the fact that free software made a modification like that possible.

>>108243248
let me guess, x11?

>>108243110
Yep, I just confirmed it. Mine doesn't have an explicit "discrete mode" in BIOS, it just lets me enable or disable hybrid GPU mode.

When hybrid GPU mode is enabled, AMD integrated graphics is used in powersave mode and also most of the time in the "balanced" mode (KDE Plasma power profiles). While the nVidia GPU is always used in performance mode. It's similar on Windows. But in either case no matter the "power profile" the brightness slider doesn't work in either Linux or Windows.

When hybrid GPU mode is disabled, the nVidia GPU is always used. This results in a constant +13W-15W power draw on my laptop (RTX 3060). But at least the brightness slider works in both Windows and Linux.

Honestly, thanks. I never even bothered looking into how to fix this. I just assumed my laptop is entirely broken. I'll see if my battery life suffers too much by keeping the dedicated GPU constantly active.

>>108243033
Just verify your email if you hate the captcha so much. It’ll become easier gradually as you post.

>>108243033
>(FUCK THIS STUPID NEW CAPTCHA)
You need to preserve 4chan cookies in your browser, not delete all history when you close the browser or the tab. The captcha goes from 4 complex pattern recognition tests to 2 easy "which 6-sided dice has the biggest number" tests after a day or two of posting. And after that it mostly turns into "verification not needed".
The captcha difficulty is directly tied to the cookies containing your UUID in your browser. If you're distrohopping/OS-hopping constantly you can just copy over your Firefox or Chrome user profile or at least copy over 4chan cookies and storage data.

>>108243263
I see...I'll keep looking for potential fixes. I guess for now I'll just toggle between the two in BIOS when I wanna game which is like 1 day a week anyway.

>>108243300
>The captcha goes from 4 complex pattern recognition tests to 2 easy
Anyone remember the Google captchka doing the exact opposite? It was such a blatant psyop.

>>108243300
I'm just using multiple devices...
:p

>>108243312
I mean, I assume this is something that would be fixed with a firmware update since it sounds like a firmware issue. I personally never updated my BIOS/firmware so maybe this issue was fixed long ago and I just never got the fix.

>>108243320
And you're NOT syncing the browser data???? :O

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>>108243334
I use Firefox on mobile (because I can use uBlock), and Brave on desktop (because it seems lighter on memory than Firefox-based browsers)
>>108243330
I just checked my BIOS version and I believe it was never updated to the latest version. Do you think if I plugged in an NVMe with Windows 10 and flashed the latest BIOS update .exe to my firmware would my switchable graphics issue possibly be fixed?

>>108243364
>Do you think if I plugged in an NVMe with Windows 10 and flashed the latest BIOS update .exe to my firmware would my switchable graphics issue possibly be fixed?
probably not, it's likely a hardware limitation. why do you need windows to update your bios anyways?

>>108243378
because on the manufacturer's website all I'm provided with is an .exe
don't tell me I can run that with wine...or can I?

>>108243390
>don't tell me I can run that with wine...or can I?
that's not a good idea.
i guess i'm just used to my mobo that lets me update from the bios itself.

>>108243063
>also cachyos is just the fotm, i'm sure it'll be something else next month.
This is cope, CachyOS has been leading distrowatch by a wide margin for a very long time now. It's the new Mint, but better for gaming.

>>108243262
Ye. Opennbox is an X11 program.

How do i delete Microsoft Reserved Partition?

>>108243401
even if I did install Cachy, I have a weird wifi sleep bug that seems to be resolved only on ubuntu/debian based distros so I'm not sure the fix would work with Cachy. I tried the fix on Fedora to no avail.

>>108243401
>opinionated arch
the only thing it has going for it is the v3 v4 packages which is easy enough to copy. ubuntu started doing it, and you'll find them in opensuse too.

>>108243364
>Do you think if I plugged in an NVMe with Windows 10 and flashed the latest BIOS update .exe to my firmware would my switchable graphics issue possibly be fixed?
That's just my assumption if this is a known issue that can be addressed through firmware updates. You'll never know unless you try. It's either a firmware bug or a genuine hardware limitation.
Considering the brightness slider does work once you switch to nVidia-only mode, I assume there has to be a way for it to work in hybrid GPU mode. I think that in hybrid mode the screen is rewired to communicate with the CPU instead of being directly controlled by the GPU, while the CPU doesn't emit signals for controlling the brightness for whatever reason. There might be a way to bypass this issue while booted into the OS, I'm just too lazy to look into it myself desu.

>>108243378
>why do you need windows to update your bios anyways?
Many hardware vendors only provide .exe files for updating BIOS. That's why a lot of people use Hiren's BootCD to apply firmware updates.

>>108243401
Distrowatch popularity is an irrelevant metric.

>>108243417
>Distrowatch popularity is an irrelevant metric.
>t. increasingly-nervous Mintgger

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>>108243422
>the new newbie friendly distro i was telling you about
this isn't gonna replace mint mate, no matter how many scripts you throw on top of pacman you can't make arch newbie friendly.

>>108243417
>Hiren's BootCD
interesting, I'll take a look into that

>>108243422
TRUE. Distrowatch is how we know that most Linux users used MX Linux in 2020. It was literally the most popular OS in the world.

>>108243431
>tfw I don't know what literally half of these things are

Distro hopping is mental illness but what about the urge to re-install? Is this far worse?

>>108243477
I did it once because I thought I broke my desktop icons somehow. They took a millisecond longer to load up but when I reinstalled I felt like a dummy when I realized they do just take a little bit to load.

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>OpenSnitch
>uses over 300MB memory after an hour or so, keeps growing over time
>uses Qt so looks bad on GTK desktop
>doesn't let you accept/deny through system notifications

Why does an outbound firewall consume so much memory?

>>108243489
I seem to do it when I install a few things that I don't end up liking. Re-installing reassures me nothing was left behind. I've read even with apt purge files can still be left behind if modified/added after install.

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>>108243507
I just use this thing that looks like it's from 2004

>>108241495
Just do a localmodconfig and enable features as you need them. There is no need to compile the whole kernel, that's just bloat.

>>108243431
>this isn't gonna replace mint mate
It already has. Mint is dropping like a rock because it still doesn't have proper Wayland or KDE support.

>>108243558
>Mint is dropping like a rock
Is it? I don't see it dropping anywhere.

>>108243559
>Is it?
Yes. CachyOS, ZorinOS even Bazzite all mog it hard for its purposes. People try it out as a beginner distro and soon notice the problems that are caused by lacking proper Wayland support and being outdated in general. People want Wayland and KDE and Mint lacks both.

>>108243569
>people want wayland and kde
new users have no idea what either of those are.
we used x11 for decades on linux, yes sure it's not ideal, but cinnamon will be getting wayland soon, and most of its users won't notice anything because again, they don't know jack about shit.

>>108243527
Always bothers me the developer uses country flag colors on the shield. Makes no sense at all. Also bad UX having the 'Getting Started' always show up every time you open it. I only use ufw or firewalld/firewall-cfg on new installations.

>>108243569
Again, I'm not seeing any usage data confirming this. The only place where I see Mint's data is the Steam hw survey where it's consistently at 10% over the past 10 years. The only distro that stopped mattering to new users is Ubuntu, not Mint. Mint still has a ton of word of the mouth shills who tell new users to use it because "it's easy" and "it's almost like windows 7".

>>108243582
Viva L’Italia

>>108243558
>muh mint
>muh gayland
>muh kde
Oh its the bazzite ublue schizo again.
>>108243569
>use an arch-based distro
>use a meme ubuntu distro that uses dark patterns to make you think you need to pay before downloading the iso
>use a meme immutable distro made by microsoft developers
>but don't use mint because i said so
Don't you get bored of spreading the same boring FUD every thread?

Long-term fedora anons, pls help: I'm currently planning my switch from over a decade of Ubuntu to fedora. Mostly for the availability of current, up-to-date desktop environments and generally newer packages. Arch is out of the question because I don't want to babysit my OS, so fedora it will probably be.

My questions:

1. How many version upgrades have you done in your time with fedora?
1.1 Did the upgrades go smoothly for you? If not, what issues did you face?
2. What are some potential issues to look out for as a new fedora user?
3. What are must-installs/configurations after a fresh install?

Thanks in advance, anon

>>108243581
>new users have no idea what either of those are.
they find out when they run into issues caused by the lack of them

I use nftables config file with a modified one taken from the Arch Linux wiki. Surely that's all you need for a firewall rather than download something like ufw?

>>108243581
>cinnamon will be getting wayland soon
yeah right, Mint development is getting even slower

>>108243581
Its not like x11 suddenly became unusable just because wayland is out either and xwayland shit still breaks and causes issues that don't exist when you run the same program under x11.

>>108243608
I'm only answering two questions. I've never lasted long with Fedora...especially on older hardware.

>2. What are some potential issues to look out for as a new fedora user?

Kernel updates may break something. I had intel wi-fi drop out completely after twenty minutes on thinkpads and the issue persisted every time there were more kernel updates. I gave up in the end (hoping the next update fixes the regression) and went back to Debian with a long-term, stable kernel.

3. What are must-installs/configurations after a fresh install?

Since systemd-resolved is installed in Fedora, you should enable DNSOverTLS for privacy, use one of the DNS providers in the config file and set network manager to automatic (addresses only)...no need to put in the DNS here. I also disable suspend, hibernation through systemd as I don't need it.

>>108243422
Are you really going to try pulling this dumb mental gymnastics when mx linux used to be stuck at #1 for a long time despite not being that popular?

>>108243608
>How many version upgrades have you done in your time with fedora?
Once
>Did the upgrades go smoothly for you?
Yeah
>What are some potential issues to look out for as a new fedora user?
Sometimes fedora does stuff differently than other distros. Aside from that just the codec issues and fedoras flatpak repo.
>What are must-installs/configurations after a fresh install?
Installing the rpmfusion repo so you can have proper codec support and removing that fedora flatpak repo.
I heard ultramarine has better defaults than vanilla fedora but i've never used it.

>>108243593
>Mint still has a ton of word of the mouth shills who tell new users to use it because "it's easy" and "it's almost like windows 7".
No it doesn't. New users are told to use CachyOS or Bazzite if they're into gaming, or Zorin if they aren't. People generally discourage people from using Mint since it lacks Wayland support and driver updates are so slow.

>>108243599
>it's the schizo who accuses every Mint-critical poster to be the same "bazzite schizo"
Can you please start namefagging so I can filter your retarded posts? That poster is not me, I'm the so-called "Bazzite/uBlue shill" you're periodically angry at for no reason. And I'm currently arguing against him saying Mint is not becoming irrelevant.

>>108243608
>1. How many version upgrades have you done in your time with fedora?
3-6, depending on the device. I haven't used Fedora until Kinoite was released but I only started using it since v37.
>1.1 Did the upgrades go smoothly for you? If not, what issues did you face?
Yes, no issues. But to be fair, I'm exclusively using their Atomic releases which are supposedly more stable. Before Fedora I used distros like Mint and Kubuntu which I personally consider shit in comparison. The promise of updates that don't randomly fuck something up was appealing so I switched from Kubuntu to Kinoite almost as soon as it was released.
>2. What are some potential issues to look out for as a new fedora user?
If you're using the regular/official Fedora releases you won't get stuff like proprietary drivers, hardware acceleration in some software, codecs, etc.
>3. What are must-installs/configurations after a fresh install?
Whatever you prefer. Aside from the issue above, Fedora is ready for use out of the box. And I'm pretty sure RPM Fusion (the repo containing proprietary stuff) can now be enabled through a toggle which is presented to you in the KDE Intro dialogue after the install.

>>108243659
You're still not providing any proof of Mint's downfall. You're just speculating based on the social circles you're in. The world exists outside your bubble.

>>108243637
>Kernel updates may break something.
This can happen under Ubuntu, too - if you are using the HWE Kernel. It just happened on my laptop.

>Since systemd-resolved is installed in Fedora, you should enable DNSOverTLS for privacy

Noted. Thank you!

>>108243656
>Sometimes fedora does stuff differently than other distros.
Do you have an example of a thing done differently? I heard about the codec stuff and fedoras own flatpak repo but other than that, I have no clue.

>Installing the rpmfusion repo so you can have proper codec support and removing that fedora flatpak repo.
Noted, thank you. Is rpmfusion the equivalent to the AUR on Arch?

>>108243699
>Is rpmfusion the equivalent to the AUR on Arch?
no, there is no equivalent on arch.

>>108243699
>Do you have an example of a thing done differently?
They put their grub configs in a different location than the other distros.
They use wget2 as the default over wget.
Their packages arent built with h264/65 codec support due to legal redhat stuff.
> Is rpmfusion the equivalent to the AUR on Arch?
No they have copr but i never used it
Rpmfusion is just a repo that builds fedora packages with all codecs enabled to make up for fedora providing broken codec support.

>>108243745
>They put their grub configs in a different location than the other distros.
Modern versions of Fedora don't even config Grub per se because they use BootloaderSpec which is basically its own config and then they generate a Grub config from that:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BootLoaderSpecByDefault

>>108243745
>They put their grub configs in a different location than the other distros.
Nice to know. Does fedora only offer grub as the bootloader on installation?

>>108243845
Since they switched to using BootloaderSpec I think that actually made it easier to switch to other bootloaders that support reading that spec, like Systemd Boot. They still default to Grub though.

>>108243845
I'm pretty sure it does by default. At least with BIOS firmware. systemd-boot only works for UEFI. They use GPT partitioning too for BIOS so I ended up with a BIOS Boot partition.

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>be me on Debian 13
>have certain packages from stable-backports
>all is well
>FFW to 2027
>Debian 14 comes out
>backports aren't available on launch day
Will my backported packages be upgraded to the latest stable versions or will upgrading to Debian 14 just perform a partial upgrade?

>>108243894
>stable-backports
This is the important part btw. I should clarify that I changed my sources from trixie and

trixie-backports

to stable and

stable-backports

>>108243894
>Will my backported packages be upgraded to the latest stable versions
They should if the version is newer than backports. Easiest way to find out is by doing apt dist-upgrade

Semi-related to the thread but I wanna switch from Windows to Linux and I'm mostly concerned about losing my data during the migration. Any efficient ways to back up my stuff? Not just back up, actually, but even figure out what needs backing up. I'm concerned that I have some files or configs hidden in the depths of my windows system that I'll forget about until it's too late.
>Just keep install everything on fresh storage.
That's the problem, the only storage I have is the M2 SSD currently plugged into my computer.

>>108244251
You are not ready for Linux if you don't have any idea what sort 'data' you have, what is important to you and where it is currently residing at.

>>108242572
Generally Pop is my number 1 recommended distro for noobs, BUT, with the current state of Cosmic I wouldn't recommend it now unless that noob is tech savvy enough to follow directions and install something like KDE.
Pop still has amazing support for AMD/nVidia right out of the box.

>>108244271
Things would be much easier if you can get an extra separate drive and leave your windows drive intact. So step #1 is to figure out how you can get a second drive in there (sata,m2 or even usb).

Dual booting on one drive while you don't have any experience will result in you losing all your data eventually.

>>108244071
>apt dist-upgrade
Is this necessary if I've changed my apt sources as per >>108243996

I often see people saying arch packages are barely tested if anything, but I'm seeing there's some packages in there "behind schedule" in comparison to other distros.
For instance, right now Mesa is on 25.3.5 on Arch whereas mesa (cucked version I guess) on openSUSE TW is already at 26.0.0. I noticed that TW also went Plasma 6.6 before Arch did.

>>108244428
Their kernel is also not as bleeding edge as Fedora. Which is probably a good thing cause I think I started getting wake from sleep issues on my laptop with a kernl update on Fedora.

>>108244428
Arch literally has a testing repo

>>108244251
You don't even have a phone? You can't go and buy a $10 120GB SD card? In that case your only option is creating a partition on your M2 SSD and moving all important data to it.
>figure out what needs backing up
Most important user data is mostly in "C:\Users\YourUsername"

>>108244428
Arch tests packages as much as any distro.

>>108244401
meant for >>108244251

When does niri get HDR

>>108243608
1) Since about 2018, so 16-ish I guess. They're pretty good at not breaking between major versions. Just give new releases at least 6 weeks to mellow and you probably won't have issues.

Breakage from quasi-rolling upgrades within major releases happens sometimes. You have to be on top of change management with Fedora like you would a rolling release distro, but they give you tools for that by default with btrfs for root snapshots and a bootloader setup that keeps the last 3 kernels. It's not quite as bad as the real thing; ie no manual intervention advisories or config merges within major releases.

2 / 3) rpmfusion and whatever -freeworld packages are pertinent to your install.

>>108244471
>Arch tests packages as much as any distro.
Not as much as openSUSE Tumbleweed which does extensive automated testing. Arch is similar to other distros, but relies on users manually testing the stuff in the testing repositories.

>>108242572
Well I should have said I started with 24.04 to be more specific. The bugs aren't desktop-breaking in my experience, to the point where a newbie would have to pull up a terminal to solve the issue. And then they always get fixed a week later. Occasionally they even disappear on their own on a lucky restart.

But System76 does have a habit of introducing a new bug every time they squash an old one. This week's? Disabled FN key. Did I break the key's pins without noticing? Check the bug reports: nope not broken System76 just messed something up again and people are having issues. Popos is truly the whack-a-mole experience of all time

>>108244925
>not like this professional corporate distro
I mean sure, nothing comes close to openSUSE and Ubuntu. But even they don't test all the packages in their repos entirely. It's impossible for a distro to do full e2e and interaction testing for each application and piece of software they package. For the critical server components and small libraries, sure, but it's not like they're testing your image viewer or office suite. That's the responsibility of the developers of these applications.

>>108243233
It should already ask if you want to wipe the drive when you install a new OS/mount and partition a second drive, no? It did for me at least. Just back up any important files so you can flash them back on to your new OS

>>108244843
> Just give new releases at least 6 weeks to mellow and you probably won't have issues.
Yeah, that's sensible advise. I already do that with Ubuntu as well.

>It's not quite as bad as the real thing; ie no manual intervention advisories or config merges within major releases
That's good to know. It seems like fedora is a good middleground between stability and bleeding edge. I'm tired of either being stuck for years with older DEs or frankensteining my system.

>>108244959
They should have just stuck with their modified gnome DE. It worked fine. Yes, IMO, the new filing feature, cosmic shop (much better than the pop shop), and the cosmic screenshot tool are really good. But those could have been introduced in the old DE just fine.
There really wasn't a need for cosmic. It was a risky endeavor on their part and I applaud them for taking it on, but it wasn't necessary and ended up creating more problems and damage to their reputation than it was worth.

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Feels good to not be tired of being stuck for years with older OS

>>108244420
dist-upgrade or full-upgrade is a full upgrade while the regular apt upgrade is a partial upgrade and is usually recommended to do when upgrading between major debian versions.

>>108244471
>$10 120GB SD card
Where the fuck do you buy something like that without it being a fake chinese ripoff?

>>108245104
I grew up on Slackware, Red Hat, and SuSe back when you got distros from CDs in PC magazines. I had my fun with compiling everything, manually installing dependencies... I don't want that anymore. I want to install my distro and use it. I like Red Hat and Fedora. The only thing keeping me from Fedora and moving away from Pop is Pops out of the box AMD and gaming support.

>>108245141
>compiling everything, manually installing dependencies... I don't want that anymore.
Good thing that's not what RHEL is about.

>Pops out of the box AMD [...] support
huh?

>>108245140
>fake chinese ripoff
it's made in the same factory using the same parts and schematics as the $60 american brand

apt-get full-upgrade is not the same as apt full-upgrade.

>>108245165
>Good thing that's not what RHEL is about
I said that was BACK then. Obviously it's not what the current RH is about. I also said I like RH.
Pop is better out-of-the-box experience for gaming, which I do a lot of. Better CPU scheduling, Proton and codex inclusion, less updates (which means less breakage).
Yes, I know it wouldn't take but a few moments to install and configure Fedora to run as smooth as Pop for gaming, but I am too integrated into Pop now to bother switching.

>>108242413
I always wonder about this kind of stuff, what happens when you update? It'll just overwrite the changes you made, no?

>>108245266
Well, yeah. The somewhat unfortunate reality is that with RPM distros you have to choose between "less updates" and "gayming support". Then again, there are solutions that make native package availability less of a concern these days in general. I grew into RHEL and at this point also don't see myself switching to a DEB distro. If it does the job, then why switch.

>>108245266
>but I am too integrated into Pop now to bother switching.
that's not a thing. popos is just gnome with a couple of extensions. distros are glorified package managers with defaults.

>>108245321
he's saying he's content with his current setup, fagmo

>>108245321
>popos is just gnome with a couple of extensions
>gnome
Tell me you don't know anything about a distro without telling me you don't know anything about a distro
>distros are glorified package managers with defaults.
Nix would like a word

>>108245186
Except its a 2gb falsely reporting itself as 128gb

>>108245355
>cosmic
yes i know, feel free to beta test for system76 if you like.

>>108245140
Never mind, looks like micro SD cards got more expensive recently.
Kingston, Adata and PNY are now 15€ for 128GB. You can still get a 128GB "Kingston DataTraveler Exodia" USB drive for 9€-11€ where I'm from so I assumed SD cards would cost the same considering the prices were equal between SD and USB flash storage just a couple of months ago.
>inb4 1€ is more than $1
EU VAT basically makes $1 = 1€ in most consumer electronic products.

>>108245359
>according to my headcanon, china can't POSSIBLY be selling better products at better prices
american propaganda really did a number on some of you guys

>>108245359
There is a difference between buying from reputable Chinese brands and buying from ScamSung on Aliexpress.

>>108245409
>>108245417
In America reputable Chinese flash usually isn't priced competitively vs Samsung or Sandisk, on an apples-to-apples basis. In a lot of other countries buying on ali is doing an end-run around consumer protection laws or import restrictions and thus cheaper.

>>108245596
>Chinese flash usually isn't priced competitively vs Samsung or Sandisk
>on an apples-to-apples basis
As in, just in terms of capacity or when we also consider the speeds and long term reliability?
Most people only care about the capacity and that's where Samsung isn't competitive at all here. Their cheapest 128GB SD card is 18€ compared to stuff like Kingston and PNY which are 15€. Even SanDisk isn't that good since it's 17€ for 128GB.
We have even cheaper options at 13€, but I've never heard of these brands: hoco (China), GoodRAM (Poland), Intenso (Germany).
I'm only looking at what I can get locally here right now, AliExpress probably has better deals. I remember buying multiple 10€ 128GB cards on Ali 5 years ago and they still work.

>>108245757
As in terms of write speed, which is basically durability.
>euro monopoloy money prices
don't care

>>108245780
>write speed, which is basically durability.
erm, no, write speed is not what I'd call durbaility.

>>108245780
Almost nobody cares about write speed when buying SD cards and it does NOT equal durability.
>don't care
Cared enough to post :)

>>108245802
>>108245804
Except it tracks linearly with flash write limits, so it kind of is. SD cards have a bunch of reliability issues besides. I'm not going to fool myself into thinking I know if Xiaomi is more reliable than Sony or whatever. You'd need to do a study, and by the time it was completed they'd both have different product revisions out.

>>108245804
>Cared enough to post :)
unc pulled out a burn straight outta 2005 YouTube comments section fr fr

>>108245838
>You'd need to do a study
like this? https://www.bahjeez.com/the-great-microsd-card-survey-two-years-later/

tell the guy running these tests to add a bunch of xiaomi and sony cards

>>108241495
>I've just built my custom linux kernel.
use case?

>>108245904
bragging on the internet

>>108245911
you built your own kernel? you're so hot, are you single?

>>108245911
>git clone
>compile
>make
things are too easy these days

>>108245924
>>compile
>>make
bro?

>>108245892
>the brand with the highest write speed is also the most durable
wow
Also you can't buy most of the cards he tested any more, so there's no fucking point.

>>108245973
Also no Chinese brands in the top 5 and bottom 5 is fucking Toronto.

>>108245406
>€
Sandisk 32gb microsd is like $12 here for the cheapest

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>>108246157
Good Christ did I dodge a bullet

>>108246063
The same is true here, but you need to understand that anything under 128GB is much more expensive per GB. Especially the highest end models with better life expectancy. Starting with 128GB the price per GB normalizes.

>>108246292
>anything under 128GB is much more expensive per GB.
?? 128gb is like around $60 here which is basically almost 6x the price of the 32gb

>>108246378
where the hell do you live?

>>108246417
>massively dishonest scammy ripoff prices denominated in $
i have a guess

>>108246417
A third world shithole that pretends its not a third world shithole.

>>108245355
COSMIC is an eternal beta that isn't fit for serious use yet. The good Pop's DE is a riced GNOME, but it's ancient.
There's literally zero reason to use Pop nowadays. Gaymer distros like Cachy and Nobara do the scheduling and other optimizations way better, you can make current KDE/GNOME or even a WM do the shit COSMIC is supposed to do without having to deal with an unfinished product, and every other distro that isn't schizophrenic about non-free shit just werks with Nvidia, which was the only real reason anybody used Pop years ago.
The only purpose it has now is for System76 to shove it into their overpriced computers.

>>108243608
> 1.How many version upgrades have you done in your time with fedora?
2. The last one was done properly though.
> 1.1 Did the upgrades go smoothly for you? If not, what issues did you face?
No. That's because I was fucking around instead of doing the bare minimum in terms of system upkeep. So I randomly got a notification that my system was about to become unsuported (or somehow I became aware of that, don't quite remember how) and then I realized that there were like 4 Fedora releases since I did my last system update. The thing is that fedora doesn't let's you "skip" a ton of versions to update, you can only skip one version. If I'm not mistaken I was using F38 so I skipped 39 and I got 40, then I did the same and I got up to F42. Other than having to skip through Fedora releases it went without a problem (of course I had to update my keyring though).
The next update was done after ~2 months and thus it went without a problem.
> 2. What are some potential issues to look out for as a new fedora user?
No fucking clue. I've been using linux for about 10 years and thus I didn't really had something that tricked me or that made me fumble the bag. This shit just wherks. The only noticeable thing is that apparently this uses some weird firewall or daemon or something and thus using LXC for linux containers might be a bit annoying but that's the only thing I can remember.
Sorry for the lack of clarity but I'm new to this containerization thing and thus I'm mostly clueless about it.
> 3. What are must-installs/configurations after a fresh install?
I installed this thing barebones so having that in mind: PCmanFM, ark, okular, feh, lxappearance, qt5ct, lightdm.
But you can disregard all of that if you install the thing with a proper DE.
And if we talk about configurations... uhhh... idk man whatever makes you comfy I guess.
Isn't the plan using Fedora instead of Arch to not overcomplicate the fuck out of this? You are overthinking it a lot.

>>108246378
The fuck? There's something awfully wrong wherever you live, or in whatever store you're looking at. You're being ripped off. Or perhaps you're only looking at the fastest possible options. I'm mainly talking about the cheapest reputable options available. Where I'm from it's basically:
>32GB = $15-$30
>64GB = $15-$76
>128GB = $15-$210
>256GB = $35-$350
>512GB = $67-$240
The range is pretty big because there are plenty of brands offering their latest and greatest when it comes to R&W speeds and durability. But as far as the "it gets the job done for my dick picks or my camera system" cards go, the 128GB models are just as cheap as anything under 128GB.

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>>108240940
What distro for a 70+ grandma? She can follow instructions and isn't afraid of tech. Her new-ish laptop is raped by win11 and I need to come up with an alternative.
Thinking zorin, debian, mint currently. It'd be a plus if she could run ms teams as an app and not through a browser, idk if that's possible.

Is it true that I shouldn't get Fedora if I have an Nvidia GPU?

>>108247031
What is the brain work behind this thought?

>>108247031
It's more work if you do, but lots of people do anyway. The latest drivers are a one click install, but anything other than that you have to figure something out.

This solves 95% of crashes with old NVIDIA cards on nouveau/newer kernels. Anyone else had to resort to disabling 3D acceleration?

GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nouveau.noaccel=1"

>>108246953
Mint would be fine
>teams as an app
I haven't tried it but check this out
https://github.com/IsmaelMartinez/teams-for-linux

>>108246953
Whatever you're using, because you're going to end up supporting it.

>>108246953
>She can follow instructions and isn't afraid of tech
if true, then the world is her oyster.
i wouldn't give her a meme distro like zorin, just asking for trouble. better debian/fedora/arch and set up reasonable defaults for her.
>ms teams as an app
on linux, not much chance.

>>108247031
You shouldn't use an nVidia GPU in the first place, see >>108243263 >>108241155. It's already a shit GPU for Windows and it has additional problems on top when it comes to Linux.

If you're too lazy to install nVidia drivers in Fedora you can install Aurora, Bluefin, Nobara or Ultramarine instead.

>>108246953
The official way to run Teams on Linux is to install it as a PWA. So you'd have to open it in a browser and "install" it. From that point it would be pinned in her menu/panel and look and feel like a native app, it would just run in its own browser window. But there are unofficial wrappers for Teams too:
>https://flathub.org/en/apps/com.github.IsmaelMartinez.teams_for_linux
>https://snapcraft.io/teams-for-linux

>Thinking zorin, debian, mint currently
I'd suggest either Zorin or regular Ubuntu. Maybe a Fedora Atomic image with automatic updates set up. Or as the other anon says, install whatever you use since you'd be the one to troubleshoot issues.

>>108247095
why don't you just rip out the card at that point?

>>108246953
>run ms teams as an app and not through a browser, idk if that's possible.
teams as an app is discontinued by microsoft,
it doesn't matter anyway, all options are shit.

>>108247095
No because I have a bunch of old low wattage GCN / TerraScale cards in the close that don't have this problem.

>>108247210
people want to use AI shit though. without nvidia, not gonna happen.

why does nobody know whether or not i need to do something with my secure boot since windows secure boot keys expire soon. does anybody know here?

I cannot find an answer anywhere about this.

>>108247270
Most people who use AI don't even use local AI, but I get your point. nVidia works perfectly fine for AI on Linux if that's all you need.

>>108246953
Either of those three are fine

>>108247246
I can't rip that out of my old ThinkPad. I'm a poorfag.

>>108240940
What's the difference between xcfe and xubuntu sessions?

>>108244071
>>108244420
>>108245130
Will Discover do distro upgrades for me when Debian 14 comes out? I know it does this on other distros.

>>108248019
Discover hasn't had working distro upgrades in Fedora the last 3 releases, so don't get your hopes up.

What's the issue with systemd? Is it a security/privacy concern or do people just not like it because it's not unix-like?

>>108248589
>Discover hasn't had working distro upgrades in Fedora the last 3 releases
42>43 worked just fine for me on multiple devices.

is it like possible to use another top bar on KDE?

>>108248675
1) it has millions of lines of code which nobody understands, if we assume 1 bug per 10 lines that 100,000s of bugs.
2) the systems its replacing (init and so on) are generally simple systems which don't need millions of lines of code (somebody made an init program in 21 lines of C). in addition, a lot of the systemd units are shittier than the already-existing programs.
3) the systemd dev team has a history of making fucking stupid and dangerous design choices, such as adding code which writes a magic number to an efi variable which will permanently brick the users computer if set incorrectly. then they denied it was a problem.
4) systemd has certain annoying features ('a stop job is running' meme).
5) systemd adds needless complications (many people feel that systemd unit files are more complicated than the init scripts they replace).
6) systemd is designed to be pervasive, so that it's very difficult to run a truly systemd-free system. for example, Artix linux still uses d-bus and udev, which are systemd components. Gentoo OpenRC requires systemd-libs, etc. Therefore it takes away users' freedom of choice.

So to answer your question, people don't like being forced to use this piece-of-shit program. yes its a security concern and yes its not unix-like

>>108248675
>>108248808
also on the non-technical side, it was written by lennard poettering who is a known faggot who works for microsoft, and whose vision for linux at the time was that it would be just like Windows/MacOS

>>108248808
Huh. That's not great. Is it still using something like Debian or Fedora despite it or should I look for a distro that avoids it as much as possible? I'm new to linux fwiw

>>108248833
>is it still using
Is it still WORTH using. I am a fuckup

>>108248675
They don't like it because it's not unix-like.
>>108248808
>wall of text
Sigh. Give me a nice package that does:
-init
-service management
-timers and shit
-starts services in parallel
and does that out of the box so I can just ./configure && make && make install it and just works so I can package it. The Dinit project looks remotely nice but it's clearly not a finished project in that sense.
t. distro dev
>>108248833
>"I'll just pick any random thing that's not systemd"
That's a meme. You should pick something you actually want instead of using that logic.

>>108248869
you're not convincing me that it's not a concern when you throw up your hands at reading a paragraph and assert it's not worth worrying about because systemd is convenient for distro devs

>>108248833
if you're new to linux, just use it. you will get used to it and decide for yourself if you like it or not. if you don't you can look for alternatives.
No point starting to look now because you don't know what you want and you will have to make sacrifices which might make your linux experience worse.
Much as I disagree with >>108248869 's opinion he makes good points

>>108248808
>regurgitating a bunch memes
somehow people on this website love to gobble up the lamest, most easily disprovable crap while larping as free thinkers

>>108248961
im curious as to which of my points you think is easily disproven, since ive given examples for all of them. or do those examples cease to exist because (you) find their existence inconvenient?

>>108248828
*Worked for Microsoft
(He left them to start his own scam consulting company)

>>108248675
>What's the issue with systemd?
It solved problems that retarded masochists built their identity around so now they seethe on /g/ endlessly in order to gatekeep Linux

>>108248019
I'll run a Debian 12 VM to test this out

>>108248808
>6) systemd is designed to be pervasive, so that it's very difficult to run a truly systemd-free system. for example, Artix linux still uses d-bus and udev, which are systemd components. Gentoo OpenRC requires systemd-libs, etc. Therefore it takes away users' freedom of choice.
DBus isn't Systemd and the reason we all use Udev is because nobody has written a better device manager. Udev ain't perfect (I had to troubleshoot why Udev wasn't chowning the device nodes of OpenRazer properly with the plugdev group recently but the Udev rules are utter crap and look like they should work yet they don't. In the end I rage quit and made an OpenRC script to chown them manually in the start_pre function. I shouldn't have had to do that but job done, no more troubleshooting) but the alternatives like Mdev are too minimal to be of any use and also have no rules for devices anyway because everyone targets Udev at this point.

>>108247272
bump... please help me...

>>108247272
Windows Secure Boot keys are preloaded as part of the BIOS on most systems so presumably you will need to manually add the Windows keys (you can probably download them from somewhere) or update your BIOS which will update them as part of the update.

>>108249235
I believe it's also possible for Windows to just go ahead and update them as part of an update too where it will enroll the new keys although don't quote me on that.

>>108249235
>>108249241
what about linux tho

>>108249243
Linux won't touch them I don't think. If they expire then you won't be able to boot. In the past that happened to some old versions of Grub on Debian, etc.

>>108249249
is it still fixable if cant boot into the os? ican just go into bios and siable secure boot right?

>>108249249
>>108249243
Basically you will want to grab the new master keys, put them on a USB and then enroll them. Ask an LLM how to do that. It can probably walk you through it.

Then when your distro ships a new stub signed with that key then things will just keep working as usual.

>>108249255
Yes, you can always just disable Secure Boot. It's a meme feature anyway. Nobody ever gets malware in their firmware.

>>108249257
>>108249263
am on cachyOS btw not sure if it matters. should i update my bios rather or wait further? am scared to shits doing bios updates everytime.

>>108249200
>wasn't chowning the device nodes
Sounds like you got pwned by chown. Even the most retarded of users could fix that without trying

>>108249273
I think if you're on CachyOS then the Windows keys are irrelevant in that case. You probably won't have any issues. They don't sign their bootloader with Microsoft's key so you'd have already have done a bunch of manual steps to get that working (Secure Boot doesn't even work out of the box in Cachy if I recall correctly).

>>108241765
Isn't a bit anticlimatic to litter your media library of over a dozen of "artists" with one single song that somehow share the same big "album"? I don't know, i'm terrible at this of music.
>>108241609
That gay vaporware can't even mod Minecraft without mixing completely different versions and you want me to trust them running commands on my files?

>>108249282
https://wiki.cachyos.org/configuration/secure_boot_setup/

they have a manual on how to do it and i followed it. should i redo the steps when we closer to the expiring date? not sure how sbctl works. does it pull the latest keys?

>>108249277
No, the Udev rule is supposed to do it itself when it executes the rule but it never does for some reason.

The rule has:

SUBSYSTEM=="usb|input|hid", GROUP:="plugdev"

But it never takes affect.

>>108248589
Worked for me from 39 to 41, though my system is boring as shit. Firefox, nvim, Libreoffice and docker. Absolute worst i've had to do was wait a month until Docker put their shit together for the next big version.

>>108249289
It doesn't use the Windows keys. It basically creates its own MOK (machine owner key) and signs with that. At least I think that's how it works (I don't use Secure Boot. Don't need it)

>>108249299
so am good to go and dont need to worry about it basically?

>>108249308
Yes. I think it does support key rotation though so maybe you'll have to re-run some command for that but I'm not sure.

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>>108249324
but it says microsoft under vendor keys

>>108249333
I think that's just an artifact you can ignore. You do have the Windows key because you didn't revoke it (if you want to ensure you system is fully trusted and can only boot .EFI files you sign then you would want to revoke it).

The reason you had to disable Secure Boot in order to generate the key first (to then enable it again) is precisely because you're not using the Microsoft keys. Only Microsoft can sign EFI binaries with those.

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>>108249349
sure its an artifact? the text in grey says it's enrolling your keys with microsoft ones. maybe am too low iq...

>>108249296
Forgot to add, i only switched away because i wanted to mess with Artix. Not because there was something else going on. I went back to LMDE for the time being cause i'm lazy.

>>108249374
That just adds Microsoft's key in addition to yours I think.

-m, --microsoft                         include microsoft keys into key enrollment

>>108249429
so logically wont i have to update them if they expire or whats the point in rolling them into my keys?

In 2026 we still have boomers telling newcomers not to use systemd, Wayland, PipeWire, Plasma, games, or GUI applications lmao

>>108249448
I think it's for if your machine didn't have them in the first place. I'm honestly not sure. I don't think you need them.

>>108245288
Depends on how you do it. I used makepkg to make my own nodified package of openbox. I gave it a different package name (openbox-custom) so it wouldn't get overwritten by updates from the repos.
Not that that's relevant in this case since openbox got its alst update in 2015.
you can also instruct your package manager to ignore updates to a specific package. You should regularly check yourself in that case tho and update it manually when needed.

>>108249594
just don't use computers, they're Harmful

>>108243894
>>108243996
"stable" is just a symlink to the the latest stable version in the debian repos
So using

stable-backports

will mean using

forky-backports

when forky (AKA Debian 14) comes out

>>108249448
so you can duel boot windows, or boot live cds without disabling secure boot. Note that this makes the security part of secure boot ridiculous.

What is secure boot really about?
I just disabled the thing, it's too much of a hindrance.

>>108250962
It's about displaying a warning message when you boot if anyone ever tampers with your firmware except you never actually see that warning message because nobody is tampering with your firmware.
>That's it.

>>108250976
man I wish I had people actually bother to tamper with my firmware

>>108250976
>nobody is tampering with your firmware
pretty much. secure boot is not for you and me, it's for businesses and governments, oh and anti cheat makers too i guess.

Niggerlicious janny trannies

>>108250976
>>108250981
lol its so malware doesnt install a rootkit inside your motherboard and render your mb useless forever

>>108251027
No, that's a misunderstanding. Malware can still inject itself its just that you're aware that it's done so because your firmware displays a warning.
Nobody ever encounters that warning though because nobody is getting infected in the first place. It's complete security theatre for a problem that doesn't exist.

It's like >>108250981 said. Maybe if you're a business or government, or other high value target who MAY actually have their firmware potentially attacked then you could benefit from it. For everyone else it's a complete non-issue.

Help /g/ I'm really, really retarded with timers
I'm playing with this cachyos-update tool (which is arch-update).
I want it not to notify me for updates so often. Supposedly it is set to 2 minutes after boot and "once daily". But I don't know what that entails.
By default the timer sets these:

OnStartupSec=2min
RandomizedDelaySec=1h
OnUnitActiveSec=1d

Am I to assume that it selects a random time in between startup and the next hour (hence the 1h on RandomizedDelaySec), then only does this check again next day?

>>108248808
for some reason systemd's 1m loc is a problem for the contrarians but not firefox/chromium's, linux kernel's and mesa's 10-40m loc each.

>>108251175
The Linux kernel and Mesa are very bad comparisons given you're not running all of that code (Linux has a lot of drivers that never even get loaded if you're not using that hardware, likewise for Mesa).

Firefox and Chromium are better examples but I don't think that's really the point you want to be making.
>"Our init system is just as complex as a web browser"

>>108251193
>"Our init system is just as complex as a web browser"
I was gonna say this. What kind of bullshit is to compare an init system to a web browser
Should an init system take multiple gigabytes of RAM too?

>>108251193
It's not just as complex, it has 1/40th the loc. Point is you trust tens of millions of loc but 1m is somehow not trustworthy.

>>108243507
Qt is surely better than GTK. Also it looks fine

>>108251225
>1/40th
Probably a different ratio actually since systemd is closer to 2m loc i think, but anyway, much smaller than web browsers. Also systemd is modular too technically. No need to use systemd-boot for example, although funnily enough a lot of systemd haters actually like systemd-boot and say its not so bad because Poettering didn't make it.

>>108247607
XFCE is one of the building blocks used by Xubuntu basically, Xubuntu takes XFCE, places it in an Ubuntu as base and customizes it to be friendlier.

Do people here actually use Debian Sid?

>>108243417
So just double checking. I can use Hiren’s Boot CD to safely install a BIOS update using the .exe from the manufacturer’s website, right? I really need someone else’s validation before I need proceed.

>>108251547
>please tell me this custom windows installation is safe
there's really no way to know that, even if the source code is available which it's not. just do a regular windows installation mate.

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Question about Thunar,
sometimes when I move a directory or its contents (to sort out my directories) it will REWRITE THE FILES instead of just moving them normally which is pretty much instant does not involve rewriting the data. I was arranging my disk and sorted out a game and now this shit just forced 40GB+ writes on my nvme.
I should use the terminal more than this but visual file managers exist for a reason, it is easier to visualize the data you are working with.
God damn this is so fucking stupid I'm seething.

>>108251672
and what do you expect us to do about it?
when you have a problem with a specific application the first step is always to hit their bug tracker: https://gitlab.xfce.org/xfce/thunar

>>108251175
firefox and mesa LOC *are* a problem.
Linux less so as you usually only use a small subset of the codebase if you compile your own kernel.
Anon just asked about systemd specifically.

Sadly for firefox and mesa there is even less in the way of alternatives compared with systemd.
for firefox the only alternatives are webkit slop (still millions of LOC) or some meme like netsurf.
likewise mesa is the canonical openGL library for intel/arm gpus so if you don't have it installed then good luck running graphical apps

>>108251707
Well maybe my English is so bad I think it was a question not a tech support post. My question implies - "Maybe There Is Something What I Haven't Realized Yet, Or Maybe There Is an Option To Prevent This".
Maybe you should take a hike and go back to school or something. Stupid piece of shits like you are the reason why nobody posts on 4chan any longer.

>>108251672
stupid question but you are moving them to a location within the same disk, right?
obv if you move them to another disk it needs to write the data to the new disk

>>108251728
It is the same disk and bunch of directories moved under a new directory. If I used terminal this would have been instant. Also, if I did this same operation in Windows Explorer it would have been instant as well.

>>108251717
>>108251175
>>108251193
Why are you using web browsers for this comparison? systemd runs as a part of your system/root. A web browser is an unprivileged application running behind your flatpak/snap sandbox. Your web browser can be actual malware and it still doesn't matter unless you're running software outside of a sandbox.

>>108251672
I don't have thunar at hand to test it, but I would not be surprised if they simply copy and then delete.
Maybe they never thought about CoW and so it never was an issue with older filesystems? Wouldn't put it past the xfce guys, they are a strange bunch.

>>108251454
Maybe some really confused anons do.
>>108250962
It's about checking an EFI executable's signature.
Motherboards come from factories with Microsoft keys so that's why some distros implement a software called Shim as it's signed by Microsoft and can load Linux bootloaders.
>>108249594
I'm a boomer and I like Systemd, I have no desire to go back to sysV.
>GUI applications
Sometimes (usually?) it's easier to use the good old CLI tools instead.

>>108251765
I guess I'll need to do some searching.
I think there might be an exception, if you have a bunch of directories and some extra files - it will then copy and delete them.
But if you move just the root directory it will default to regular filesystem move instead.
This is all what I can think of.
There isn't any related options in the preferences either.
It's a good time to change file manager then. Shame.

What are my options for a cheap Linux tablet thingy? I want to set one up as a home lab control center (webserver showing status, ability to enable this or that, current song playing where etc etc)

Am I better off just getting an android tablet and making an android app instead ?

>>108251744
It's not recommended to use flatpak browsers. See Brave's advisory. And a sandbox is not going to protect you from malware necessarily. See Arch wiki's advisory.

>>108251707
Forgot to add: there is no "us", go back to your discord, cretin.

>>108250004
The thing is that the backports repo is initially empty when a new version of Debian comes out. So will the

stable-backports

packages just not be upgraded at all, or will they be automatically upgraded to the latest stable versions if the version number is higher?

>>108251589
X<
But I don't wanna install Windows just to do a single firmware update...

any polkit that is easy to 'style'?
ideally separately from the windowmanager.

>>108244428
The people who hate on arch don’t know jack shit, btw.

>>108251547
>>108251864
Hirens might not work
I decided to flash my monitor firmware which can only be done through wangblows and that didn't help even after forcefully installing AMD GPU drivers (which were required apparently). I essentially had to use windows to go on a spare external drive.

>>108251840
>spoonfeed me daddy
>actually i'm tough and you belong on discord
ok.

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What are you using? chrony, ntpd-rs or systemd-timesyncd? The default in many distros seems to be the last one...with no network time security.

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>install openSUSE Leap
>there are 1.5GB of updates on first boot
>the installer has left trash under /mnt
Disappointing.

Has anyone here used Linux on any x86 tablet, or a Surface more specifically? I have a Surface Pro 6 and I'd like to give Linux a try, hoping it would be faster than W10 on the lacking hardware by modern standards (8250U, 8GB RAM).

I plan to install the linux-surface patched kernel and to go with Fedora. Going by the feature matrix on the linux-surface github, everything should work. Does anyone know if Fedora would be alright, or does anyone have a suggestion for a different distro to use on this tablet?

>>108252105
I don't get the point of Leap, it doesn't seem stable to me

>>108251828
>See Brave's advisory.
Don't care. I'd rather sacrifice an in-app sandbox than an OS-wide sandbox.

>install Debian
>it doesn't even set up a sources.list
>run apt update
>"All packages are up to date."

In terms of gaming-focused distros, you've got Nobara and Bazzite for Fedora, CachyOS and eventually SteamOS for Arch, but what exactly exists for Debian?

>>108252363
debian being slow to update makes it pretty antithetical to gaming which needs bleeding edge drivers.

>>108252363
PikaOS. Debian itself is shit for gaming since it's a server distro. So only distros based on Debian Sid are acceptable.

>>108252413
Man, I wonder where exactly PikaOS lands.
Is it just debian sid with a bunch of extra repos? Is it too heavily modified? It seems weird to me to land on Debian for this sort of purpose. I've seen too little about this distro as opposed to Nobara which I had my own shitty experiences with but also read every now and then they're still fucking updates up left and right.

>>108252413
>Debian itself is shit for gaming since it's a server distro. So only distros based on Debian Sid are acceptable
All distros have margin of error differences in framerates.

>>108252566
That is assuming you can get the game to run. Good luck running anything requiring modern Proton on a Debian Stable device once more than a year has passed since it's release.

>>108252600
what

>>108252566
Proton runs on Steam Linux Runtime.

>>108252562
>they're still fucking updates up left and right.
maintaining a downstream fork is just not that much work.

>>108252566
You'd want better frametimes and mesa optimizations. A few titles with gaytracing (not across the board) for instance have a performance increase on Mesa 26 which is very much welcome because AMD shits the bed with this.
There's not much of a difference between distros regarding a lot of games because 1. most games aren't that intensive, 2. most games are GPU bound, and a lot of these tweaks fuck with RAM management/CPU scheduling.
Besides that there's always a few dumb things that distros have different results with out of the box (involving sound or gamepad support) and the process to get shit that's not just steam installed and working right away may also be different (maybe you need to rely more on flatpak usage).

I've been on Arch for a while now, only thing I haven't bothered to do yet is make changes to the core shit like CPU scheduler, etc, should I?
I'm on a 6 year old Ryzen

>>108252623
Proton often needed the latest mesa on Intel/AMD and the latest nVidia drivers to fully work. Otherwise you'd have games that fail to launch or launch at 10% the performance. I've seen countless Debian, Ubuntu LTS and Mint users cry about their games not working, especially a couple of years ago.

>>108252758
Personally I'm not going to judge on the difficulty of doing that. I'm just not sure why I'm expected to do shit like "uninstall X package so that the updating tool actually opens" and "don't do the updating through the terminal like on Fedora because it might break things". It gave me the impression that while they try to get shit to work incessantly, they also do it in a haphazard way. I don't understand the update schedule, it's supposed to be rolling but not really. Too fucking weird for me.

>>108252772
There's not that many things you'd need to do if it works fine for you. Everything regarding schedulers and such comes with some tradeoffs. Luckily testing this shit out is effortless. You can switch schedulers on the go and try other kernels. You can install the cachyOS kernel variants on arch without fucking anything up if you want. Or try the linux-zen kernel, that's what I used for a long time without any particular problems.

>>108252800
>add patch to upstream
>breaks 3 other interactions in the process
>upstream updates
>patch no longer works
software is a neverending cycle of breaks and fixes, but yeah these small distros are working with few people and sometimes take on more than they can chew.

>>108252799
>especially a couple of years ago
Easy way to write off someone's Linux advice.

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>>108240940
How do I change the default terminal on gnome 48? There is nothing in the settings or in tweaks, and in dconf editor it says the key is deprecated and ignored, and that the default terminal is handled by GIO. Wtf does that even mean? Can't possibly be that complicated to change a default application on gnome, does anyone here know how it works?

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>>108252835
Use case for changing your terminal?

>>108252820
Honestly what I would suggest anyone trying to do a project like this is just don't go too fucking far with it. If you have to extensively change how the base distro works to get your own thing to make sense it's just not worth it.
Ultramarine for instance is a project with much less fuckery involved. You can say it is fairly pointless as a distro, because it adds a bunch of shit that would take a general fedora user 15 minutes to add maybe, but it doesn't do much either to break the whole experience and it follows the same update schedule and everything.
IIRC there was a time I didn't use Nobara I saw a lot of people frustrated because they got their fucking DE switched to KDE from GNOME because the latter was no longer supported (since there was a small period of time where the VRR patch just couldn't fucking work and devs were uncooperative little dickheads). That sort of thing is a bit insane to me. You can say GNOME isn't the right choice all you want but fuck, don't go breaking everything like that with an update. Hope it wasn't as dramatic as I've read.

>>108252828
A year and a half ago isn't a long time. And it's an issue that is persistent on LTS distros. They are barely suited for desktop use let alone gaming.

>>108252862
Linux has been solved and Debian 13 KDE proves it.

>>108252835
nautilus ignores your default terminal, you can use https://github.com/Stunkymonkey/nautilus-open-any-terminal if you want.

>>108252867
>Debian
Easy way to write off someone's Linux advice.

>>108252848
>VRR patch
yeah there was a half arsed merge request. the problem about open source is that people work on what they want to work, and if nobody's contributing vrr to GNOME there's nothing much that can be done.
people whined enough though that in the end GNOME paid the dev to finish his work.

>>108252925
Half assed as it was, it didn't work that badly. For me all the big breaking things were the appindicator extension having some issues with it (I think it actually blocked it from working) and fullscreen videos on firefox. The rest seemed to be handled pretty ok.
Recently I tried 49 with VRR and the results were mixed, I couldn't get VRR to work properly if I used WINE on Wayland mode. Hopefully on 50 that gets fixed. Maybe I should find a way to test the beta out with that.

>>108253010
>it works so you should merge it
the worst nightmare for maintainers. i remember playing around with it and it broke in plenty of ways. anyways you can easily check out the additional work that went into the patch after the sponsoring: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/merge_requests/1154#note_1998670
the beta is on arch in the gnome-unstable repository.

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>>108252413
What makes a distro a server distro?
>inb4 "stuff never updates"
That's a production environment, not necessarily a server.
>>108252388
Do drivers mean just the kernel, right?
You can boot any distro with let's say 6.18.x.

>>108253046
I agree it's not something that should be merged until it works properly. However again, it doesn't work right now at the level of perfection it should at least require (specially given GNOME does not have a current way to disable VRR per application, which means every fullscreen application, game, video or RAW editor, will trigger it). HDR support in GNOME is in a far, far worse state in my experience (49) and that's also available without enabling experimental features.

>>108252847
use case for asking for use case?

>>108252867
>Debian 13
I will see you in 6-9 months when Debian 13 becomes outdated and all its issues get solved by distributions which are actually made for desktop PCs

>>108253144
>GNOME does not have a current way to disable VRR per application
i doubt it ever will. that's a dirty solution.
>hdr
works fine here? pretty sure half the apps don't support it anyways.

>>108253211
>Windows isn't made for desktop PCs because Windows servers exist

What's your favorite terminal based file manager, anons? Trying to get into using one. The more configuration options the better.
Same question for image viewer I guess but I just installed qimgv today and I doubt there would be anything much better. Fast and minimal but with a fuckton of configuration options.

>>108253225
I don't know what you're testing it on, but not 2 weeks ago with HDR on GNOME 49 I had Electron based applications become pitch dark if I increased brightness (honestly I don't know how this works, what exactly does it think it's the max or minimum brightness, where does it take it from, and it's very weird to me that there is only one setting related to HDR other than a toggle). Also games using scRGB just fucking themselves (to be fair that is also a problem on Plasma, but that's something that can be "made to work" by disabling tonemapping). And HDR through gamescope just not being detected at all (whereas on Hyprland/Plasma at least it is detected).

>>108253237
We're not discussing running a distro based on Debian Sid here. We're talking about the actual Debian point releases.

>>108253275
i don't use hdr much, it looks like shit. open an issue if you run into bugs, something you should do regardless of the system you're using.
>gamescope
see https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/4083

>>108253382
Out of pure curiosity, what display do you have?

>>108253390
a shitty one.

>>108253262
Nvim + snacks

>>108253339
Debian Stable is perfectly fine with backports, Flatpaks and Distrobox unless your hardware is very new. Is it a worse idea for a desktop system than other options like Fedora or Arch? Maybe, but if you prioritize system stability over all else then why not.

There's no reason to use "stable" distros of any kind unless you're setting up a server with them.
Rolling release is the optimal way to use Linux as a normal user. If you're too scared about your system breaking then maybe you should just go back to windows.

>>108253628
You are a fucking spanner lol

>>108252100
Still using classic ntpd when available.
I switched to ntpd-rs on modern versions of Debian though since they dropped support for ntpd (ntpd-rs is almost a complete drop-in for it. Just has a different config).

Systemd is the worst option here because it doesn't do proper synchronization of time and is only an SNTP client. Chrony is a better option if you don't want to use ntpd-rs.

>>108248019
>>108245130
>>108249196
I've just tested in a VM and confirmed that Discover on Debian 12 will NOT do a distro upgrade 13 ootb. However, if you change your apt sources from bookworm to stable, you'll be able to upgrade to Debian 13 through Discover. It stands to reason that Debian 13>14 would work in much the same way.

>>108251828
That's only an issue in Chromium browser's because they implemented their sandbox as an insecure setuid root binary.

Firefox doesn't have that issue. Its system call filtering still works perfectly fine in a Flatpak.

>>108252835
The only real solution is to stop using Gnome

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>>108253839
Firefox's sandbox is also weakened in Flatpak you can see it in the sandbox section on about:support or at least that was the case in September 2025.

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>>108240940
>>108253919

>>108253915
User namespaces are an extra defence in depth and not something it actually needs. You would see the exact same thing if running with a Debian kernel with user namespaces disabled, or an AppArmor profile disabling them.

This is not their primary sandbox, unlike Chromium which literally contains fucking setuid root binary running as root. Now to be fair, if there were a bug here we'd likely know about it by now but I don't think security people realise just how fucking bad that is. If they ever made one single mistake in it then you have a binary running as actual root on your system that can do whatever it wants to.

Well shit, GNOME 50 beta didn't fix the VRR issue I was having. HDR is fine though.

>>108253915
what do you think these user namespaces actually do?

>>108253936
The firefox sandbox is supposed to help with isolating tabs from eachother which gets broken with flatpak.

>>108253262
lf , ranger , yazi
They're all kind of the same but ranger is probably the most feature complete.
>image viewer
imv or nsxiv

>>108254213
That's a lie spread by Brave shills. The sandbox still isolates tabs. Firefox's sandbox design is better than Chromium's. They don't have the same issues as Chromium as they didn't build the fucking thing around a binary running with root privileges on your system.

They use seccomp filtering which still works in Flatpak's. The only thing you're giving up is the user namespaces which is just an extra defence on top and not something you actually need when the entire process is confined to its own namespace by Flatpak anyway.

>>108254277
>a binary running with root privileges on your system.
where does this even come from?

>>108254277
The security enthusiasts say Chromium's sandbox is better than Firefox's doe.

>>108254300
on android

>>108254295

$ stat /usr/lib64/chromium-browser/chrome-sandbox 
  File: /usr/lib64/chromium-browser/chrome-sandbox
  Size: 24152           Blocks: 48         IO Block: 4096   regular file
Device: 8,2     Inode: 7217772     Links: 1
Access: (4755/-rwsr-xr-x)  Uid: (    0/    root)   Gid: (    0/    root)

Notice the +s bit?

>>108254300
They would say that because they're delusional schizophrenics that think running binaries as root is perfectly OK when they do it. Security to them is all about how much privilege the sandbox process has to contain everything. They aren't thinking from a system perspective of "What happens if my sandbox process has a bug that leaks all of these privileges".

>>108254326
They say Chromium is better everywhere.

https://github.com/RKNF404/chromium-hardening-guide/blob/main/pages/BROWSER_SELECTION.md

>>108254346
>source:madaidan
every fucking time

>>108254300
Academic papers sponsored by Google say Chromium is more secure. If you think modern browsers are securable, I have some Manhattan real estate to sell you.

>>108254469
I use Firefox myself I'm just showing what the "security enthusiasts" say, also GrapheneOS devs and community are included in that.

fuck does it matter if firefox sandboxing is better on flatpak when it fucking freezes on me

New thread: >>108254516

>>108254483
more like security enthusiast, the others just say that firefox's sandbox is weakened on android.

>>108254523
the secureblue community seems to consider firefox less secure, that is why its removed from the image.

>>108254533
they are shilling their own browser, inspired by vanadium (which comes from android world)
So yeah, totally unbiased view from them.