who cares what california signs? isn't that just some state?

>>108242255
>t. drives californian spec'd automobile
retard

>>108242284
cope and seethe, all my stuff says no Calicuck complaint :)

>>108242247
>right wing tards seething at sensible, common sense regulations
can't say i am surprised. you don't care about children. if you did, you wouldn't be killing trans children left and right.

>>108242247
The companies are part of the same grand conspiracy to enslave everyone in the technocratic dystopia. They'll just end up going along with it, after a period of pretend resistance.

We warned you about the nanny state, bro.

>strips TPM nannychips
>installs tiny 11
not my problem

>>108242291
>download source code
>patch out the ID check

>>108242299
>wanting to protect children is a nanny state
keep seething, chud.

>>108242287
anything manufactured after 2010 is cali compliant. your shitbox will fall apart. enjoy hiking to work ig

>>108242247
considering linus is a lefty, with his daughters being rabid feminist, i mean, he lives in portland for fuck sakes, i wonder how he feels knowing he is being forced to develop a massive privacy invading mechanism into the kernel because his political tribe is forcing him to do so.

>>108242291
No doubt they lobbied for it.
>You don't want to create a Google / MS / Facebook account?
>TOO BAD goyslobs.

>>108242302
Some time down the road, non-verfied machines will be blocked from the internet. You aren't doing anything but working to be the last cattle in the pen

>>108242247
Wow, took 10 replies to point out that Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

>>108242320
yep. they have to purge wrong think.
>oh boy, you don't support gay sex and mothers killing their children, and posting about it on the internet, polluting the minds of children with your bigotry?
>welp, prison you go

the state can mandate whatever the fuck they want if you let them

>>108242320
>Some time down the road, non-verfied machines will be blocked from the internet
How? I can just spoof what my machine tells the internet it is.

>>108242320
>uses anonymous blockchain based internet

>>108242255
hahahaha it took the first post to find the biggest retard in the thread
>who cares about what california signs? surely it won't influence or inspire other states to do the same right?
you absolute fucking low IQ monkey

How is this even going to work for servers and the like? I have a VM with a user "docker" or "nginx". Sometimes a human logs in to do some maintenance, but its hardly ever the same guy. What age should the system set for those "users"? Good luck including age bloat on the bazillion embeded systems everywhere and hoping it won't fall under its own weight. Then what stops me from using server OS on my personal machines, should they be exempt?

>>108242247
>yew got a loicense for that OS

wtf happens when mr.linux and mr.w10iotltsc get sued for not putting in identity verification?!?!?!?!

ill just use GNU/Linux, its fine

>>108242421
Don't all copies of windows have a license mate?

>>108242409
exactly. these tech illiterate boomers are not going to enforce any of this

>>108242432
Linux will just quit selling his kernel in california?

>>108242289
there's no such thing as tranny child. only mentally ill parents willing to virtue signal by becoming genetic deadends

>>108242247
american voters move to other states. only illegal voters remain. for gavin, just as planned.

>>108242255
kys retard

>>108242247
Good. Linuxers gonna seethe

>>108242247
It's not going to be enforced because it's not possible. It's just that boomers discovered that OSs exist.

>>108242247
>prompting users for their birth date during account setup to help identify age-appropriate content.
so just lie?

>>108242644
There is no way Linus Torvalds is putting Age Assurance technologies in the kernel.
Maybe GNOME Accounts will get an update to support this, so just one more reason not to use GNOME.

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Here's a tip anons, not only for this occasion, but many similar ones
Doomposting is what they want, because believing "everything is doomed" is the same as giving up and accepting they are gonna be able to push this forward
Remember: the crazy ones are a vocal minority, people are going to fight back like they are already fighting in other issues: protests, boycotts (discord ended partnership with persona, and is backpedaling on age verification), organizations with lawyers (a rothschild lost to gaben just these days, setting a precedent in patent trolling), organized non-compliance (piracy exist up to this day) alternatives, bypasses and so on
Your enemy is not as big as they want you to think they are

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>>108242247

Linux and FreeBSD will implement to be compliant but say like “the gui vendors need to do gui for it”, and then the gui vendors won’t do jack shit because there’s no law for them

>>108242289
>common sense regulation is to have the state groom kids and castrate children

>>108242750
The best you'll get is a linux kernel parameter or sysctl knob for it and it'll do fuck all except be some arbitrary numeric value interested parties can consult to do nothing.

>>108242247
No one is ever going to implement this crap. Does US even have some federal level ID system or login portal?

>>108242289
I'm a left wing retard thank you very much. And you're a damn boot licker and or a troll.

>>108242734
>Discord backpedaling on verification
Where's the sauce on that? I heard they might be delaying the rollout slightly but didn't look into it

>>108242247
>how do these dumb fucks plan on enforcing this?
A drop down to select your year of birth. It'll be easy to change if you want to.

>>108242507
President-Elect Newsom, you mean

>>108242669
This. You would need to have some chip on your mobo that has direct satellite radio access and support for every government ID system in the world.

>>108242247
I'm telling you anons this is actually them de-escalating all the age verification bullshit
>create bullshit spoofable OS level age check
>websites can just take this token instead of everyone asking for your ID all the time
>Every website is now legally in the clear of any wrongdoing because all users """verified""" their age at the OS level
>no third party breaches, everyone is happy

its that easy

>>108242247
>Government approved signing keys for booting an OS.
>ISP will deny connections to households containing individuals under 18, unless they're using government approved TPM.
>Regular mandatory key validations as part of normal network activity, transmitting your personal public key will be required to visit any website.
Individuals, site operators, or companies failing to comply will face 5 year mandatory-minimum prison sentences. You wouldn't drive on the road without a license, why would you surf the internet without one? It just makes sense.

You will just comply.

>>108242855
This will never happen but keep doomposting.

>>108242867
You've got 10-15 years before it's a full rollout. I guess you could try setting up 'pirate-internet' sites with meshnets and packet-radio, but both of these are quite impractical, and you already need a loicense for radio.

Lol I'll be bypassing then
T. Aussie

>>108242320
GNU GPL V3 loicense prevents that.
So they could only use the Linux kernel and nothing else.

>>108242247
OK, sure, what if someone makes a verified open source age verification solution thats totally local.
Can we force other systems to implement it over the other corporate age verification solutions?

I swear all this age verification stuff is driven by techbros lobbying and trying to create a captive industry and literally extract "rent" from other companies.

>>108242321
beautiful.

>>108242247
or how about you make it illegal to give your mutt-kids any device with online access? fucking retarded boomers

>>108242882
Not even China has this crap and they're atleast 10-15 years ahead in all surveillance. You people need to take a breath before you start sperging out over every dumb tweet or news piece.

>>108242935
China haves many technologies that you do not know about

>>108242886
>GNU GPL V3 loicense prevents that.
Then the GPL V3 will become illegal

>>108242247
Weird it's not for iOS or Android, which are the most logical candidates since kids use those and not desktops/laptops anymore.

>>108242247
so THIS is why the mods expanded the tracking on 4chan, and keep banning every person that asks about it

>>108242289
ragebait used to be believable.

>>108242935
I know some people keep saying it's a socialist conspiracy, but I'm pretty certain it's being driven by corporate interests, especially as websites have to pay a verification provider, it's an outright scam wrapped up in 'protect the children'
The domestic benefits are secondary.

Pornhub recently announced they are blocking the UK because the costs incurred by age verification, just like they block several states.

>>108242289
So uh, whats the justification for right wing states and governments doing it?
Because they are too.

>>108242992
>Weird it's not for iOS or Android
It is. The bill doesn't mention any OS by name, you're just a retard whose sole source of news is misinterpreting examples in twitter posts.

>>108242400
Blockchain not required, see I2P and reticulum or Briar if you only care about messaging and blogs

>>108242247
>Linux
Not an OS. But also what if you don't sell your OS in Cali?

>>108243030
>But also what if you don't sell your OS in Cali?
Depending how it's phrased you don't need to not 'sell' but not 'offer' at all. So this includes licensing, cloud access and even just FOSS you can compile and install in CA.

>>108242308
there should be dedicated tutorial city for children you cant get out unless you came of age

>>108243034
the internet makes the idea of "offered in [area]" not really make sense, especially if you're talking about something public/free
like if i put a file on a public ftp on my computer on the other side of the world, with no special configuration to restrict anyone on the internet from reaching it, do i need to comply with every countries' rules? because the internet would be pretty fucked if so.
as far as i'm concerned, if they don't want their citizens accessing my ftp server, they can block it themselves, they're requesting data from me, i'm not pushing it into their jurisdiction. it's not the same as setting up a shop in that area and offering a product not allowed to be offered there

>>108243023
>lists out operating systems by name
>doesn't include iOS or Android in the listing
By your logic if you were given medication with side effects that include high blood pressure, diarrhea, and insomnia, but then ended up with liver failure, you'd think that's okay and you're just misinterpreting it? If not, then you have no argument and are just a 60 IQ retard.

>>108243053
nta, but the point is to pass it for a couple states and then use that as justification to introduce it in congress and get it made law on the federal level. This is an extremely common tactic.

>>108242993
Yep, the mods, definitely.

>>108243053
The problem is that if we extrapolated this rationale then any company could say 'Sure, we imported our product into your country, but we're situated in this other country so we don't need to abide your laws'. You could argue that there is a meaningful difference between a digital, online offering and a physical, analogue product but it doesn't matter much to the lawmakers. If it did, they'd
1. need to abandon intellectual property laws when it comes to any digital or digitized good
2. Do a lot of work just to stop certain goods from entering their market, be it physical or digital.
Furthermore, if we assumed it was the nation's task to prevent the import of illicit goods, then the importers of the good couldn't be persecuted for the import of the good. Basically if drugs entered your country the one getting sued would be your country and not the drug mules. This obviously makes no sense.

>>108243097
Correct, I hope most people will fight against it or just ignore it. Threats like these remind the importance of P2P app sharing like through F-Droid.

They are not dumb, they are extremely Intelligent but they consider you dumb

And laws are just superficialities for the rich, in a time of war it's honor to Kill a person, in a time of peace it's murder

Laws can be bent any time for their favor
Funny how after COVID people don't realize this

>>108242886
>GNU GPL V3 loicense prevents that.
No, it does not. Being able to flash your own firmware has nothing to do with whether said firmware gets authorised access to any extenal service or network.
>So they could only use the Linux kernel and nothing else.
????
The kernel is v2. In fact, what OS even is under GPLv3? What relevance does any of this even have in this thread? Just autism?

>>108243145
>In fact, what OS even is under GPLv3?
Guix I'd assume

>>108243154
That's a Linux distribution. The kernel is still under v2.

>>108243175
Wasn't the whole point to use its own kernel? Are they still working on it?

>>108243114
my main point is that not everything "offered" is compensated for, that is, i can understand restricting something in terms of selling a product or service for money or some other form of compensation, or even something offered for free but specifically by request. where i draw the line is if someone were to suggest i'm offering something merely by placing it somewhere where anybody can access it. namely, if i run an ftp server from my home internet ip address, which is accessible from anywhere in the world, does this alone count as "offering" it's contents to every country?
because most linux/bsd distros are like this, anybody can download them from countless mirrors with no special transaction required, you request the file(s) from a mirror and you get the file(s), is this an offer? such legislation requires a very specific definition of what an offer is, and it has to account for how the internet works

>>108242247
Until we can start the process to fight back against these laws, I think the only reasonable thing we can do is malicious compliance.

We need a totally local, open source age verification system that keeps us anonymous, a way to present it to a website or service that says we're over 18 and to force them to accept it as valid. we need to be able to say "yeah, we're verifying, we're not giving our information to big tech, here you go, accept it"

So yeah we're complying with the letter of the law, without submitting to its other implications.

>>108243188
gnu guix is a package manager, "guix system" is a linux distro based around guix
there is a gnu kernel, called hurd, but it's been thoroughly stalled by the existence of linux (and linux only really came to be because even at the time hurd was taking too long to come out)

>>108243188
Are you talking about Hurd?

>>108242247
SecureBoot/UEFI/TPM of course.

>>108243191
>does this alone count as "offering" it's contents to every country?
Legally yes even if you are not financially or otherwise compensated. Imagine you gave out poisoned food to strangers in need and they die because of said food. You could argue that you weren't aware of the poisoning and had no reason to assume so. Then the case against you would be extremely hard. Additionally, if you were to import that food pre-poisoned from some company that isn't in your country there would be no one to sue.
Basically it boils down to the lawmakers legally needing to make some concessions of freedom to ensure some (imagined) standard of living. For example: If you are giving out electrical appliances that are not conformant with the necessary laws (so they haven't been approved by the FCC for example) and people were harmed because of that you'd still be charged as if you sold them.

>>108243208
Oh I thought they managed to get anything done in the last two decades. My bad.

>>108243210
Apparently, but I guess I was too optimistic.

>>108242409
>what do you mean a server also runs an OS?

>>108242775
>Americans
>"we want to card everyone even in their own home!"
>also Americans
>"a federal ID??? what about MUH liberties? don't tread on me!!!"
the funny part is that this is literally the same contradiction than for alcohol prohibition which already went wrong a century ago, but they still haven't understood.

>>108243238
>Imagine you gave out poisoned food to strangers in need and they die because of said food.
this scenario requires the thing in question to be illegal in all cases. no country i know of allows offering food that is poisoned.
i'm talking about putting something "on the internet" which is legal /where i live/. "on the internet" being in quotes because the internet is not really a shared physical space like a bazaar, but rather a shared virtual space that has no country affiliation.

where i take issue is that it should not be my responsibility which country accesses my data provided i make no attempt to coerce anybody from said country to access my data. that is, i think it's reasonable i should get in trouble if i send spam to other countries that links to illegal data i host, but not if i simply host the same data without any kind of outreach

>>108243238
>Oh I thought they managed to get anything done in the last two decades. My bad.
last i checked they're basically stuck 30 years in the past. last i read about it they don't yet have a 64bit version. they missed their chance. they wanted to do it "right" with a microkernel, it would seem this slowed things down enough that the simpler hybrid monolithic kernel that is linux just stole the show.

>>108242247
>Linux has to implement age verification
Such a requirement would make Linux not free software and would result in a license violation, lol.

>>108242247
>fork Linux
>call it Linorks
no longer have to comply

>>108243362
not necessarily. they could provide it as a build time option and it would not violate its' license, the GPLv2 by itself doesn't define how programs should behave at runtime
linux couldn't prevent someone from building a non-compliant version, as per the gplv2, however

echo 18 > /dev/user_age_verification
e.z.

>>108243011
Stop making shit up. Trump just wouldn't allow that.

>>108243367
Kek

>>108243114
>'Sure, we imported our product into your country, but we're situated in this other country so we don't need to abide your laws'
The importer is by definition located in the country so they do need to abide by their laws. As for the foreign exporter, yes, that is how jurisdictions usually work. The US have allowed themselves to target foreign companies for specific offenses but even then they need to wait for an employee to land in the US or a puppet state so they can hold them hostage until the company bends the knee.

I'm pretty old but seems like there's a certain breed of boomers who are very dangerous. They are in leading positions and act like boomers- my nation's national insurance data is supposedly going to get transferred to amazon cloud servers outside of the country itself. Eg. sensitive medical and income related data will reside on US based company's servers OUTSIDE of the country. I've never heard anything more stupid than this in my life.
OS level id implementation is one of this sort things too: idiotic and only an illiterate fool would even think about anything like this.

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>>108243443
only an illiterate fool would get her news from twitter

>>108242320
>use verified machine
>patch out the verification
>compile my unverified linux machine

>>108242432
linus will comply, the dude has no more soul left inside him. his "fuck you nvidia" days are long gone now.

>>108243469
Nice discussion, faggot. Underage retards like yourself have ruined this website too. No wonder why the activity has been cut to less than half, it happened because of retards like you.

>>108243084
That's just a tweet listing examples and not the official bill you retard.

>>108243713
>present information
>get mad when people reference said information
Were you mad every single day in history class, yelling constantly at the teacher and other students?

>>108243724
Did you reference the actual bill before replying, or are you just an assmad jeet faggot that gets ragebaited by Twitter posts?
No need to reply by the way, I know the answer already.

>>108243921
Didn't even attempt to answer the question. Thanks for admitting I'm right and you're wrong. I accept your concession. Filtered. Now be a good 60 IQ retard and reply more, I'll never see it. I know you can't resist, you're already typing.

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>muh filter
not even the same person lol and filters don’t work that way

>>108242775
>Does US even have some federal level ID system
SSN, REAL ID
>login portal?
id.me, login.gov

Government policy paper, 2026:
>"Operating system level identity verification is critical to ensuring cultural safety online, to protect children from harm and promote social cohesion."
Government policy paper, 2030:
>"Correlation does not equal causation, and there is absolutely no evidence that increasing rates of identity fraud are in any way related to identity verification requirements. All prosecutions against individuals for dangerous use of a computer have succeeded, and it is therefore impossible that a victim of identity fraud is currently in jail."
Government policy paper, 2032:
>你的路很长,我的朋友,它延伸到超乎想象的地方。随着你的每一步,这些伟大的冒险都会变得更加遥远和模糊。也许有一天,你会忘记沿途遇到的人的面孔和声音。在那一天,我请你记住这一点……无论你的旅程有多远,你都凭借你所走过的路而站在你所站的地方。因为在困难时期,当你害怕时,你无法继续下去……你所经历的喜乐,你所感受的痛苦,你低声回应的祈祷──它们将永远成为你的力量和安慰。我希望如此──我相信,在记忆的尽头。

>>108242247
what exactly did u guys do over the last year to make the gubmint turn into oceania

>>108242255
>who cares what california signs? isn't that just some state?
most people have servers located in california

>>108242247
Where was this fag in October of last year? That’s when this story was originally reported.
>>108241866
>nothing matters and nothing ever happens
I mean yeah considering you guys don’t revolt or anything. Slowly realizing that god put age verification on earth to punish the complacent.

>>108244099
Government policy paper, 2034:
>דערפֿאַרונג. אין יעדער געשעפטן, וואָס דו גייסט, ווערן די גרויסע אַדווענטורעס מער דערפֿון און מער געמישט. אפֿשר איינער טאָג, וועטסטו פאַרגעסן די פּנים און שטימען פון מענטשן וואָס דו האסט טראַפֿן אויף דעם וועג. אין דעם טאָג, בעיטה אני בעֹט צו זאָגן דעם... ווי ווייט דיין געגנט איז, דו שטייסט אין דעם ערגעץ ווי געזונט ווי דיין וועגן. ווייל אין שווערע צייטן, ווען דו ביסט מפחד זיך צו פאָרן ווייטער... דיין פרייד וואָס דו האסט דורכגעגאנגען, דיין לאָך וואָס דו האסט געשמאַקן, דיין געדלעפונג וואָס דו האסט געוואָלט צו גאָרן - דערפאַר פֿאַרשטייט ווי שטאַרק און איבערגעטראָגן דו ביסט אויף צו דיינע שוועריקייטן. איך האָף אַזוי - איך גיין אַז דעם ענדע פון דער זכּרון וועלן זען.

>>108243352
>where i take issue is that it should not be my responsibility which country accesses my data provided i make no attempt to coerce anybody from said country to access my data. that is, i think it's reasonable i should get in trouble if i send spam to other countries that links to illegal data i host, but not if i simply host the same data without any kind of outreach
Then just block countries you haven't checked for or offer it in such a way that you can't know where the requests are coming from (like making your site solely a hidden service or eepsite)

>>108243362
>would result in a license violation
Why would this matter to any law? Licenses need to abide the law and if they can't do that then you can violate the license freely

>>108244377
>Then just block countries you haven't checked for or offer it in such a way that you can't know where the requests are coming from (like making your site solely a hidden service or eepsite)
this practically means block all countries. shit man, i can barely be sure the stuff i might host is legal where i live. if people actually restricted access to information only to where they are /SURE/ it is legal to access, the internet would be sent back 50 years instantly.
even as only a matter of practicality you need to account for people hosting stuff you don't agree with on the internet. NO COUNTRY can dictate what is available on it.

>>108244099
>>108244204
Kek

>>108244377
>>108244434
-- and i should add, i run a server for a friends' business. the site has nothing i would consider potentially objectionable, but there's around 200 countries in the world, nobody could reasonably expect anybody to be capable of adhering to all of every countries' laws at the same time. it's absurd to even imagine.

>>108244434
>>108244516
The solution is in the parentheses

>>108242399
You can't. Learn about the TPM. Don't have one? Don't worry, soon you'll have to have one.

>>108242247
I'll just install a distro that isn't based in California then.

>>108244114
some wop shot a health insurance executive

>>108244523
lol.
sure, one solution is to prevent objecting parties from even knowing who you are. it do agree there.
but that's not really what i'm mainly arguing over. my friends' business for example is quite legitimate, in the sense that any reasonable country i can think of would have no objections dealing with. intentionally limiting yourself to hidden services/eepsites or similar is certainly a solution, but i argue it should not be /necessary/. i have nothing against people who use them in principle, just that i don't feel i should need to resort to use such systems to advertise what i consider perfectly legitimate (in the more moral sense) products/services

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Who the fuck cares if some fat old fuck who never touched a computer decides something?

You faggot americans always talk about your freedom and guns, do something with it.

>>108244613
Thanks man, you convinced me to shoot up a school as a form of government protest

>>108244577
I agree, it's not my fault that the rationale of lawmakers is so dumb

>>108244649
something more people need to be aware of imo is that lawmakers are not experts in the field they make laws in. i don't know how obvious this is to experts in other fields is, but for IT experts at least this is actually laughably obvious. it's one of the reasons i've never gained an interest in politics i would say, despite my age i've never been able to take it seriously because of my experience with technology-related politics.

What is defined as an OS? Will greeRTOS be required to implement this?

>>108242409
those users won't be allowed to run processes unless they have existed for 18 years. better plan ahead

>>108244824
i'm not sure what "greeRTOS" refers to but its one letter off the name of the place i grew up in

>>108244613
Already doing it. This is the result of it.

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>>108242247
>go read the text of the law
>see this

>(b) (1) A developer shall request a signal with respect to a particular user from an operating system provider or a covered application store when the application is downloaded and launched.
Am I reading this right? "shall", as in they must do this?
The law requires ALL developers, defined as
>(f) “Developer” means a person that owns, maintains, or controls an application.
to request the age bracket of a user from the OS, EVERY time ANY application is installed and launched?

This is perhaps the most retarded regulation I've ever read. I don't think anyone who helped write this even knows what a computer program is. It's already signed into law? Holy shit, god help us.

What happens for family computer? I am admin. I set my account to 18+ admin. My kid has a kid account. Oops! Kid used a hardware keylogger and got my password and logged in and modified their account.

>>108245771
That's why they have to do it at the OS level. User wants to launch an executable? Better make a system call to is_user_18 to verify their permissions. Microsoft will cum at the thought of tying ages to user accounts to Microsoft accounts to recall. What a dream for them.

>>108245868
nothing happens. this is not enforcable. i have a ton of old ISO's free of this crap

>>108242255
>what is the california effect

>>108242330
When Texas passes the same law, what are you going to claim it is about?

>>108245948
Oh I doubt it'll ever actually be enforced or happen. I just want to know why the hell the legislative body thought this had any merit worth pursuing.

>>108242247
I hate how any dumbfuck can make a law and it potentially affects the whole world.

I use Linux on everything and I am never providing my identity to my goonstation.

>>108242255
It's the state that makes iOS and Android.
So it doesn't matter where you live, this is coming to you. Every website WILL have your birthday and KYC data linked to your personal account. To not have it is to not use the modern internet. In 5 years anything that doesn't immediately identify you by name and address won't be allowed online.

>>108245868
The law doesn't impose any penalties on users
it applies to any maker of an operating system, and any developer. But not users. Because they know users can only run what developers make. And if you circumvent this you're now "owning, maintaining, or controlling an application" so you're a developer and subject to the law

also
>(g) This title does not impose liability on an operating system provider, a covered application store, or a developer that arises from the use of a device or application by a person who is not the user to whom a signal pertains.
"your honor, his little brother played on his account" is a valid legal excuse for microsoft lol

The penalties are also tiny for companies but big for ordinary people. Each violation is $2500, or $7500 if found to be intentional. So microsoft can pay 10,000 of those plus legal fees and not notice, but some random open source maintainer could be rendered a debt slave and his life is over.

That's the real danger, the onerous and sweeping requirements are a field day for litigation to strangle amateur devs and open-source OS maintainers. If your random linux distro doesn't have built in ID harvesting 11 months from now you can get a summons from CA court and fined $2500 "per affected child", i.e. whoever is 17 years and 364 days old or less, and came within ten feet of a computer running your software.


For those saying "it's not enforceable", they're not trying to enforce it on you the user. It's a law that applies to maintainers. Big corporations like Apple and MS, and other OS makers. As well as open source developers. They have legal departments, bank accounts, and real names. For companies it won't even have to be enforced, they will gleefully comply. For individual developers, platforms will enforce the standards, like github, which is by definition a "covered application store". Even package managers fall under that broad definition.

Browser developers are "developers" under this law too btw

>>108242289
It's true, that's why you're going to give us your ID right now, aren't you anon? It's only common sense.

>>108243011
It's literally listed in Project 2025 to curb antisemitism and track "MUH TERRORISTS" (which is listed as anyone who protests against the current government when it's Republican)

>>108242247
They dont
It's virtue signalling
By retards for retards

>>108246057
>it applies to any maker of an operating system, and any developer.
If I make a bash script and post it, *I am a developer*. The script that I modified and posted in another thread that changes the captcha formatting makes me a developer and also violating this law because I did not implement or require someone to verify their age in order to use it.

Every user is a developer and they are aware that most users aren't aware of that. If a user as much as shares code someone else made, they are also a developer by any standard of the law.

>>108246065
>it's virtue signaling
This would only be true if they didn't intend to implement or enforce it.

Meanwhile apple rolled out compliant updates just a month or two ago, demanding people's age to use their computers. It will likely start sharing this as 2027 comes along with all app developers and websites as the bill entails.

>>108246032
>I hate how any dumbfuck can make a law and it potentially affects the whole world.
They could just release a special OS just for the affected regions, similarly to what Nintendo did with the ique.
>goonstation
Never mind, now I support the zog

>>108245771
That's right anon, and notice how it says 'Controls'? All users are developers too, because they are controlling their applications.

What software does it control? Pacemakers? ATM machines? Vape pens? IT doens't say, just ALL SOFTWARE. Even things that don't have a user interface need to have it. Basically whoever wrote this is trying to kill software development or make it entirely subservient to the Trump administration.


>Newsom
Oh right, the world's biggest Neocon with a coat of blue paint.

>>108246087
>They could just release a special OS just for the affected regions,
What I think will just happen instead is they'll just say "THIS IS NOT TO BE INSTALLED IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA OR COLORADO" and just not change anything else.

On a serious note, why is the Epstein Class suddenly interested in implementing OS-level age verification?

>>108246078
Well there is a carve-out for plugins or modifications to other applications. So you wouldn't be a "developer" for that userscript under this law.

But I do agree with you in general. Under this law, anyone who writes so much as a "hello world" needs to call the OS up and check how old the user is before it runs. If a heckin' kidderino is exposed to this danger, you can be fined and the fine is tripled if you committed this evil deed on purpose.

Similarly, because of the language, I'm pretty sure it needs to check every time it "launches". If you have a program that executes every 60 seconds, you now have to request age credentials every minute of every day. Possibly on a machine nobody is even using. Clown world.

>>108246099
I doubt that. I think they'll just release one compromised version for all

>>108246078
Meh. Software is free speech under the first amendment. I doubt this would hold up for open source software I publish online.

>>108246115
I don't think you have to make the sys call. I think they want the os to make a sys call whenever a user launches an executable.

>>108242247
How does a mac mini implement age verification when open claw and a local model is using it?
Bots don't have ages.

>>108246091
It does specify which software
>“Application” means a software application that may be run or directed by a user on a computer, a mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device that can access a covered application store or download an application.
I don't think you could consider a pacemaker or a vape pen a "general purpose computing device"... unless you modded it pretty hard?

You're still right besides that though. This mainly serves to kill software development, anyone who publishes "general purpose" computing software is now liable for damages if they don't harvest ID from the OS on installation and launch.

I say ID because let's be real, it's just "age bracket" now but the rest will be added later.

>>108246087
>They could just release a special OS just for the affected regions
Juice not worth the squeeze. The iQue was sold to a population of 1 billion people.

>>108246135
They require the OS to implement an API that produces a "signal", and require developers to "request a signal", "when the application is downloaded and launched"
the "and" there is annoyingly vague because it could either mean when the application is "downloaded and launched" i.e. when you first install it, or "downloaded, and launched" i.e. whenever it's downloaded, and whenever you launch it

I think whoever wrote the bill just doesn't understand what a program is and how broad this law is. Like they imagine everything is iphone apps where it comes from a store and you download it and tap the icon

By this law, if you install some shit through pip, each dependency in your python dependency hell has to individually call the OS to ask what your age is.
Even if they don't need that for any reason. They have to request it. Because they just have to, okay???

>>108246124
>software is free speech under the first amendment
that is based only on a Supreme Court interpretation, which could be overturned in the future. because the Constitution obviously doesn't know what software is.

>>108242970
making the bulk of network infrastructure illegal for use on the internet is something i'd like to see

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>>108242247
>but le children!
how can anyone take this farce when its the country that not only mutilates their babies but also celebrates mutilating kids in the name of a mentally ill suicide cult?..

>>108246124
>>108246266
This, the supreme court right now is not the same one it was 10 years ago. It's 100% kosher and exists to serve the interests of the state of Israel.

They're already trying to say that modifying software for personal use doesn't count as free expression, the next step is obviously go all the way and declare software as not being explicitly defined as speech in the constitution. They're do the same shit now with email and text messages to justify seizing all of it without a warrant.

>>108246187
>The iQue was sold to a population of 1 billion people.
And was very slow to release games while also needing to pose as an education tool. What you also can't neglect is that once you have your data harvesting OS you can just push it onto everyone and sell everyone's data

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>>108242247
>HarmonyOS not on the list

Seems like every few years there is an attempt to try and shut down the flow of information on the internet.
Yet somehow, shit flops.

I can't even remember how SOPA failed.

>>108246882
this one has been signed into law though

>>108242247
Good. Between the advent of AI and the rise of Online Criminality anonymity is a real problem. Internet access should be controlled and only validated, attested, deanonymized, authenticated devices should be allowed on the Information Superhighway. You have to have a license to drive a car, and your car must be registered. Cars on public roadways are not anonymous. Neither should you be while surfing the net.

>>108246192
No, they do it on purpose so that when someone sues someone else over it the ambiguity gets resolved in court and they have tangible things to work with instead of hypothetical scenarios.
That's how things work in the US and it's not a stupid system at all.
Likely case would be that in court it'd be found that services, daemons and whatever the fuck don't count as "apps" and are exempt from it with one argument being that it's codified by conduct i.e. everyone uses it that way and nobody has any issues with it nor does it go against the spirit of the law.

>>108244613
My guns exist for my freedoms.
Your guns exist for yours.

>>108242255
You know they're the ones who forced divorce on everyone right?

>>108246924
State law and is virtually unenforceable. It's more impressive than Sopa I'll give it that.

>>108242970
Then I will become a bandit like Robinhood. I'll live in the woods with 100 watts of solar panels and my laptop running Linux. Me and my marry men will descend on the town from our mountain to free the townspeople from their corporate overlords.

>>108246882
This post is antiseptic.

>>108247104
you and your kind will be hunted by patrolling killer drones that will dome anyone outside their designated areas past curfew

>>108247104
>my marry men
Why would gays fight the jews?

>>108247167
Who will they have write the drone firmware? AI? Indians? Gays? Windows devs (but i repeat myself)

Shouldn't be too hard to find decent exploits.

>>108242247
Digital ID is being forced by communists and authoritarian in power

>>108247393
communists will be the first rounded up because they want to see an end to the corporations in control of this this

>>108247414
the communists are the ones forcing corporations to digital id everyone so they can censor millions of people and stay in power

>>108247414
Communists will not be targeted immediately because they never fight judaism

>commiefornia is now the canonical enemy of Free Software
flyovers won
(((coasties))) lost

>>108247449
Free Software actually advocates digital ID so they can protect the feelings of the tranny ideology. Same with EFF that used to protect digital freedom, privacy and security. Now advocates mass censorship and digital ID is a way to get their way.

>>108242289
>6 miga mutants successfully wasted time on this shitpost
Objective accomplished fellow aryan!

>>108247439
>thinking government is holding corporation to account instead of the other way around

surely you can't be this naive and be old enough to go on 4chan?

>>108247496
legislative government just passed the law
the governor signed it

this bill was created specifically because they saw a significant pushback on direct social media ban, which everyone and their grandma can see is a direct attack on free speech, so they go the extra mile to censor it from app stores, they go the extra mile to censor it from operating system themselves. the government passed laws to hold social media companies accountable to posts people make and force them to censor everyone.

you're justifying this because you've been castrated by the government

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>>108247557
damn you're right, and there's no way any of those in government can be influenced or coerced

>>108242320
And when that happens I'll abandon the internet and be free

>>108247439
Corporations already digital ID everyone to an absurd degree, for marketing and profiling purposes. The government is just codifying it into law and using it for its own ends now.
The law in question has a specific line addressing this
>If a developer has internal clear and convincing information that a user’s age is different than the age indicated by a signal received pursuant to this title, the developer shall use that information as the primary indicator of the user’s age.
in other words, "we know you're already collecting way more personal information than this law demands, so use that too"

>>108247629
CIA stooge dumb nigger
>>108247756
bootlicker for the authoritarians

>>108242757
this. it's going to be like Do Not Track but somehow stupider