>New York
Try a state that doesn't suck.

>>108242936
The jewSA is a fucking joke and chinks will nuke us hopefully

>>108242936
>6 real humans vs Satan
it has always been Schizos vs Psychopaths, after all

hippies continue to ruin everything

>>108242936
If Trump was an actually competent dictator he would have sent his ICE goons to deport them "accidentally" and bypass this issue altogether.

>>108242936
>NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! You have to let me build this massive resource drain in your backyard!!!!!! You have to let me quadruple your bills for nothing in return!!!!! You can’t do this to me AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Absolutely based politically active citizens defending their town from megacorp rape of their community.

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>>108242936
Serves them right for ignoring little people in favor of Ai corps
Fuck micron

>>108242936
>be a corporation
>act like a herd of gorilla niggers to people living nearby
>people realize there’s no upside but plenty of downside of having your shit nearby
>people tell you to fuck off
>OMG WE DINDU NUFFIN WHY YOU KEEPIN A BROTHA DOWN???
get rekt lmao

make the factory elsewhere

what advantage does fucking NY have ?

>>108242936
Will this make RAM and SSDs?

>But given the concentration of poverty in specific communities, has Micron made enforceable commitments to hire from these communities to build a future permanent workforce and not just construction jobs? Have they made enforceable commitments to equitable, accessible job training programs so that people from high-poverty neighborhoods who face social and educational barriers can make a career at Micron?
Sounds reasonable.

>NOOO WHY DON'T YOU LET US MAKE ENERGY AND WATER MORE EXPENSIVE FOR YOU AND ANNOY ANYTHING NEAR US WITH NOISE
Built those datacenters next to Sam Altman's mansion instead

>>108243039
is a nand factory thats meant to not fuck us over in the next few years, it was supposed to have started 3 and half years ago, but regulation stopped it, now lawsuits are stopping it.

Enjoy ram shortage for the next decade and if China war with Taiwan hits, enjoy complete collapse of economy

>>108242971
>>108242990
>>108243056
These places are already out in relative bumfuck nowhere.
Quite amusing to see /g/ are anyone care about a town they would call rural hicks any other moment.
>but it's NY
Lots of the NY state is rural outside of NYC.
Amazing how eager everyone is to suck up deindustrialization propaganda.

When did /g/ become screenshots of what TPOT is QTing?

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>>108243115
/g/ has unfortunately become a central for low quality engagemen bait twitter screencaps long ago

>>108243115
I agree mods should really crack down on threads that dont directly link to the source of the topic/news and permaban people like >>108243141

>>108242936
Delayed by Micron refusing to compensate them accordingly

>>108243103
Shalom.

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>>108243115
>>108243141
It could be much worse, other boards have third worlders who constantly make threads screencapping their own accounts to shill themselves and farm content from /here/.

>>108242936
16.6 billion per life.
hope their family has life insurance.

>>108243002
Probably massive tax breaks to build the factory.

>>108243192
Ironically it's jewish Karens filling these suits.

>>108243002
New York the state isn't that bad.
It's always had a heritage of manufacturing and farming.
NYC is where shit gets stupid.

>>108243002
If not for the CHIMPS act, they would've built it in SE Asia within months, destroying anything that stood in the way - and we would have our RAM.

>>108243103
>deindustrialization propaganda
kys kike

>>108242936
>NOOOO NOT MANUFACTURING INDEPENDENCE FOR A CRUCIAL TECHNOLOGY WITH HIGH PAYING JOBS FOR LOCALS NOOOOO I WANT TO BE DEPENDENT ON CHINA FOR ALL MY IMPORTANT TECH

>>108243503
Lower prices are good. Think about it, the US can manufacture more advanced weapons for less money. Joke's on the CCP.

>>108243419
Bro, when has journalists ever given a fuck about the goings on in rural bumfuckville where they build these places?
Are you actually under the delusion they care about these places when describing how "bad" they are for said aera?

Fucking retards in this thread are confusing a fab with a data center.
Bigger questions though
Why the fuck did they pick a dumb fuck state like NY and not one of the many other states that would have welcomed them with open arms?
I have to imagine NY gave them a sweetheart deal so then why the fuck is the NY state not throwing out these dumbfuck lawsuits?

>>108243503
>HIGH PAYING JOBS FOR LOCALS
Data centers basically run themselves. There are a few maintenance people and that's it.

>>108243554
New york state is alright
This place is far from new york city
Also the issues Micron is having is everywhere.
Lawsuits about any industrial project are basically expected and it's why it takes so long from inception to actual building.
It's unironically why Musk types float the datacenters in space and manufacturing on the moon to get away from retards

>>108243560
It's not a DC but a fab
Still either way the jobs they do bring for the aera are relatively high paying for the aera.
People lack perspective to realize that being paid 60-80k a year in some of these places is actually decent

Americans be like
> we want to produce our own chips
>b-but not like this, do not build the fabs near me, do it in China

>>108242936
> We are concerned that the preparation to welcome our new neighbor has overlooked key questions, including rising housing costs, worker exposure to toxic chemicals, the pollution of air and water we rely on, significant greenhouse gas emissions and energy consumption, a risk of flooding from wetlands destruction, and a strain on our transportation system.
>Residents asked hard questions about risks and benefits, often with fear and frustration about getting inadequate answers or no answers at all.

https://www.syracuse.com/opinion/2026/02/why-we-sued-over-the-micron-project-guest-opinion-by-bonita-siegel.html

sounds like a reasonable lawsuit. if faggynigger companies want to build these huge factories then they should be prepared to answer questions and make legally binding promises.

>>108242940
Fpbp
There's a reason all industry pulled out of the state and went south.

>>108243619
the plebs don't get to ask questions, they're supposed to just trust corporations

>>108243619
>including rising housing costs
That tends to happen when there are jobs in the aera
>sounds like a reasonable lawsuit
It's boilerplate nonsense and they really aren't going to accept any answers.
Literally the first questions tells you all you need to know about how "reasonable" it is.

>>108243579
>People lack perspective to realize that being paid 60-80k a year in some of these places is actually decent
Not to mention there's a significant multiplier to these jobs, they create 5-6 new jobs for every employee at that plant.

>>108243619
Gentrification and think of the children.
Lol.

>>108243632
i'll admit the housing costs thing is really outside the responsibility of a company, but the other points are reasonable.

>It's boilerplate nonsense and they really aren't going to accept any answers.
i'm willing to bet the reality of the situation is exactly what the article states: the wagie representing the company at these meetings dodges questions or provides vague and useless answers with no binding commitment.

i know it generally works like this because my township was the proposed location of an "AI data center." (i realize the article concerns a manufacturing plant, don't waste your time explaining the difference because the general point of this is still applicable.) the town hall meetings regarding the project were pointless, because the slimy cocksucker agent did nothing but double talk or avoid answering questions -- and so the project was ultimately and rightfully shot down.

>>108243560
>so near illiterate or poor comprehension can't understand the difference between an electronics plant vs a data center

the US is really in a strange place where everyone is so rich now they are completely clueless. But also simultaneously constantly bitching about the economy as if they're poor. But if they were poor they'd want jobs?

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>>108242936
nooooooo!!
not the chippies!!!
not the nano processerinoes!
not the Ängströmies!!!!!!

https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=NcFE3aYxEreZmVfjzlVraQ==&display=all

Micron who exited consumer business? I hope they let them build it then revoke the permit.

>>108242936
>America is like the 4th largest country on earth or something
>Can't just find an empty piece of desert to build a new, nigger-free industrial city without karens and HOAs
pathetic third world shithole

>>108243680
>turd worlder cannot comprehend a world where environmental and ecological concerns are given any consideration

>>108243649
>i'm willing to bet the reality of the situation is exactly what the article states
Micron will comply with local, state and federal regs for pollutant and worker protection. The environmental impact often baked into the permitting process.
The problem is the people asking these questions aren't doing it in good faith and even when they get an answer as to how Micron will say recycle water for example, the moment an industrial process is detailed it's suddenly scary.

I don't blame companies not wanting to deal with hysterics. There is little you can do to placate these people besides going away.

>>108242936
Based!
God bless whoever those 6 people are, BTFOing a megacorpo

>>108242936
Good. Fuck Micron. They fucked us first, so now they can eat shit for it.

>>108242936
NOOOO, SHEKELBERG NEEDS HIS RAM FACTORY, THAT EXCLUSIVELY PRODUCES FOR GOLDENSTEINS AI DATACENTER, WHICH IS USED TO BUILD A SURVEILLANCE STATE AND PAID FOR BY THE TAXPAYER

>Micron
>the company who doesn't want to do business with me anymore because I'm a peasant who doesn't have $10M to prepay on fabrication of memory for AI bullshit

They can rot.

>>108243693
You can build anything in the desert without harming anything. There is barely any ecosystem except for cactuses and other shit no one cares about.
Also imagine thinking the USA cares about environment when their laws outright encourage gas guzzling TRUGGS and they also nuked some of their own islands in the cold war.

>>108243696
they comply with the law to the extent of the law. the law is general and likely doesn't address practical concerns the residents have.

as an example, i lived in the marcellus shale region during the natural gas boom. the drilling and service companies complied with environmental/traffic/etc. laws. things like traffic patterns (endless convoys of sand trucks and water tanker trucks) were a serious issue and were never really resolved because they were outside of the purview of the law as written. roads being absolutely wrecked from heavy traffic were also dealt with in retrospect, meaning people suffered with it for months or years.

the residents aren't acting in bad faith. they're being proactive and addressing concerns while they can. once the project is approved they lose a lot of leverage and their only recourse is convincing the state to file a lawsuit (improbable) or funding a private civil suit (hundreds of dollars an hour) against a corporate entity with in-house legal counsel who work on salary.

>>108243057
Anon, its a company exclusively producing for datacenters, it has fuck all to do with consumer prices, they exited that market.

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>>108243715
>NOOO IF THERE ARE JOBS AROUND ME I'LL HAVE TO STOP LIVING OFF NEETBUCKS IN MY MOMMYS BASEMENT THE JOOS DID THIS!!

>>108243728
>UHHH THEY CAN JUST POLLUTE THE PLACES PEOPLE DON'T LIVE... WHO GIVE A SHIT O ALGO
thanks for the input, jamal-pierre de la teur rodriguez-paciano.

>>108243742
>YOU COULD WORK IN THE MINISTRY OF TRUTH AND REWRITE HISTORY BY USING THE LLM TRAINED BY THAT RAM, CHUD, THINK ABOUT THE JOBERINOS

>>108242936
Good. Micron can get fucked, worthless bastards.

>>108243743
>WE CAN'T HAVE INDUSTRY BECAUSE POLLUTION O ALGO
>Heh, the US Marines are the best fighting force in the world and those chinks don't stand a chance against us
-sent from iphone

>>108242936
This is why you don't have trains.
Zoning laws that allow for small shops run in residential areas.
Suburbs utterly devoid of activities, parks, sports, small restaurants.
Gigantic parking bullshit where you could have actually useful infrastructure.
Cities that are decent.
5% of the american population needs to be in mental institutions another 5% jail working some trade skill.

>>108242936
Just don't break the law, it's that simple.

>>108243731
>they exited that market
Because they could no longer supply it. Increasing production could change that, depending on how market conditions evolve. The fab won't be finished for years in any case.

>>108243756
why cant they just adhere to the law?

You can't build anything in America anymore due to these people. And the local laws and regulations are the reason why everything that does get built sucks and looks ugly as fuck.

This country will NEVER recover its manufacturing and technology base unless you get rid of these people and the endless legal bullshit.

>>108243754
AI and military are two separate concerns. the AI arms race is a mindless economic competition, two retards engaged in a race to see who can be the first two run off the face of a sheer cliff.

>>108243771
no, they have valid concerns. have you ever worked in a factory? i have.

>>108243765
anon, AI is taxpayer paid, this is not a free market.
If they have more capacity, they will use it to collect more taxpayer money for more datacenters.
You can never satisfy that "market", because that "market" will always be "everything you produce".

This is completely unrelated to consumer prices.

>>108243769
Because the laws suck and need to be changed.

>>108243771
just dont break the law

>>108242936
Hopefully they find Micron guilty and guillotine them in the public square.

>>108243662
Ty for posting actual content anon.
That is going to be one massive plant. Wherever it ends up. Idk why thry picked upstate NY. Any tax benefit pales to what a pia NY is to work with.

>>108243778
Cool, then start a political campaign to do so.
Offering your first born son as a sacrifice to Moloch will help.

Until then, shut the fuck up and respect the law or fuck off.

>>108243776
>>108243780
You are the reason why everyone is becoming more poor and miserable. Stop passing stupid laws that enrich corrupt politicians and lawyers while killing growth.

>>108243791
just dont break the law

>>108243729
>the law is general and likely doesn't address practical concerns the residents have.
Here is the problem with that.
You want companies to address the "practical" concerns which often means taking a seat at the table when dealing with local governance issues.
But suddenly those companies are accused of lobbying in the local government and attempting to create a company town.

Things like roads should be under the town's purview. If they are getting wrecked and overloaded, it's up to them to improve them and build more.
I personally wouldn't mind companies adding to road maintenance and planning for new roads as they are likely going to be a lot faster to do it but are the people making these lawsuits going to accept companies doing that?

>>108242936
Why ever even build in shitty overpriced overpopulated overregulated states like NY and CA

>>108243772
>you don't get it, it's okay to be anti-manufacturering in this case but for some arbitrary reason it won't apply to other things or the defense sector because of reasons

>>108243799
i feel so bad right now for that poor billion USD corpo that produces nothing that benefits the citizen, you cant imagine.

Maybe if they wouldnt have quit consumer business, i would care.
But they did, and now i wish them death.

>>108243799
>You want companies to address the "practical" concerns which often means taking a seat at the table when dealing with local governance issues.
the residents of the town ask questions to micron representatives at the town hall. micron doesn't answer or gives vague answers. they provide such answers for a reason: because they don't want to make a commitment that may be construed as legally binding.

>Things like roads should be under the town's purview. If they are getting wrecked and overloaded, it's up to them to improve them and build more.
you're arguing that taxpayers should collectively pay the burden induced by a single private company?

>>108243807
Micron is still in the consumer business actually, you just won't find Crucial branded sticks which are explicitly retail products.

>>108243619
>sounds reasonable
PR nonsense. They're asking courts and gov to delay the construction all together in the name of climate change bullshit.

>>108243803
Good luck trying to find the thousands of highly skilled employees you need to hire in (or convince to move to) Bumfuck, Nowhere.

>>108243803
i'm not anti-manufacturing in general. i'm anti companies fucking up communities. i'm anti companies lying or not answering when asked a reasonable and direct question by the people who stand to live next to these factories.

>>108243731
data centers need ram, they eat into consumer ram and consumer prices jump up. dumb fuck.

>>108243815
>you're arguing that taxpayers should collectively pay the burden induced by a single private company?
worked for the original silicon valley:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Superfund_sites_in_California

>>108243821
Meant for >>108243802

>>108243285
yes, my taxes pay for the micron jew through govt subsidies and it ends up going to the lawsuit jew while getting distilled at the lawyer jews. I'm aware

>>108243825
The datacenter is government paid.
There is no restriction to that money, because it is YOUR money they spend.
If there is more production capability, they will spend more of YOUR money to build more datacenters.

Its not a market of price and demand.

>>108243815
>because they don't want to make a commitment that may be construed as legally binding.
I don't blame them
They can commit to something but is the town going to let them execute or be expedient enough?

>you're arguing that taxpayers should collectively pay the burden induced by a single private company?
If they don't want companies to have a say in government (which is going to be required for new roads) then it's something they have to deal with.
Hard to have shit both ways.

>>108243836
>blah blah blah
>nonsensical vague post
fuck off troon

>>108243743
>jamal-pierre de la teur rodriguez-paciano
whoa whoa whoa man, not wise to post your personal details on 4chan
>>108243821
Great excuse to build a clean, modern, nigger-free, homeless-free city with proper infrastructure and public transportation. Put some low-rise concrete apartment blocks in it and give the engineers free housing. People will flock to it.
>NOOOOO THATS COMMUNISM O ALGO
>VERY UN-AMERICAN AND ANTISEMITIC!

>>108243836
>datacenter is government paid
Where the fuck does this belief come from? The vast, vast majority of funding for data centers is capex and private equity.

>>108243052
why would micron or anyone concern with this utter nonsense?

>>108242940
There aren't many states with people actually intelligent enough to do the work, retard.

>>108243856
They won't pay property taxes for a while so that basically makes building it free or something

>>108243846
you are living in the delusion that this would be a private company operating on a public market
It's not.
That's why your argument is flawed.
>if they would be able to produce morey, they would gracefully sell it to consumers
Is not the case. Being a government-owned business, that doesnt have to give a fuck about any market, is much more comfy than selling to that pesky cattle

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>>108243856
>Where the fuck does this belief come from?

>>108242936
>(((concerned citizens)))

>>108243878
>government makes an announcement of commitments by private investors
>it's le government paid
The level of critical thinking we are dealing with

>>108243866
>Micron’s Central New York megafab is backed by a massive, multi-layered tax abatement and incentive package exceeding $21 billion, designed for a $100 billion+ investment. Key components include roughly $4.9 billion in NYS/local sales tax abatements, $5.5 billion in state Green CHIPS incentives, and substantial federal CHIPS Act funding.
https://reinventalbany.org/2025/11/testimony-no-to-micron-getting-880m-in-new-onondaga-county-sales-tax-breaks/#:~:text=Micron%20is%20already%20receiving%20more%20than%20$21.4,*%20$880%20million%20in%20NYS%20tax%20abatements

>>108243878
>a gay retard and a fat retard
At least they have something in common.

>>108243892
that and their love for 12 year old girls who may or may not be related to them

>>108243856
https://www.ai.gov/

They treat this as a national security issue where its about nothing less than the existence of the USA as a nation.
If they don't focus everything on chatbots, China will become the largest economy on the planet, which would make Cthullu rise out of the ocean and erradicate every living being in the US.

>>108243889
>they don't pay sales tax or wage tax
>everything is free now

>>108243902
Check out how much the US gov has actually given to AI companies.
It's actually VERY restrained compared to private investments

>>108242936
honestly why are companies making these retarded giga factories? I work for a place that did something like this and it's still understaffed and overbudget.

>>108243914
Check out how much the literal Communists in China invest into this.
Pro tip: It is less than the US government.

The US is more communist than communists.

>>108243868
retard, all data centers need ram, they will either source it from one factory or another. if there's only 1 factory, they will source it from that factory, and consumers will have to compete with data centers for that ram.

dumb nigger, how did you survive in this world without understanding the basic math?

>>108243914
Without government gibs, this factory would not be getting built in the first place and there would be less AI datacenters and you consumer market would be cheaper.

Thats a simple fact.
Whether you want to accept it or not, this is not a free market.

>>108243940
Getting key infrastructure up and running by covering the initial costs with subsidisation is just about the only good use of subsidisation. Chip manufacturing is a huge deal.

>>108243927
the amount of (government paid) datacenter directly correlates with the amount of (government paid) RAM from (government paid) factories

>>108243923
>Pro tip: It is less than the US government.
It's more actually
Fabs get counted for AI but the money actually going to AI specific firms is rather small

>>108243943
They dont invest government money into infrastructure like roads and trains.
They invest it into more RAM for datacenter, which the ordinary citizen will not be able to access or benefit from.

>>108243951
>They dont invest government money into infrastructure like roads and trains.
Blame your local gov

>>108243956
thats truey the local government is also handing out gibs to those datacenters, rather than investing it into something that benefits the taypayer.
But that doesnt make it better when the federal government does the same.

Fact is that without government gibs Micron wouldnt build this factory for Palantir surveillance build-up.
The factory should not exist.

>>108243946
you're arguing about some nonsense since you cant stick to your original argument

>>108243967
>Fact is that without government gibs Micron wouldnt build this factory for Palantir surveillance build-up.
Where's the gibs?

>>108242940
>a state actually stands up to a corporation
ugh so lame!

>>108242940
You can't get decent capacity in useast or uswest anymore
Ohio, Arizona and Texas is the only place building
t.infra guy

>>108243969
The argument is, and always was, that it's government paid bullshit for datacenters to surveil the cattle.
And you pathetically fail to argue against this.
>but but private investment firms invest as well!!!
Is the only thing you can say. And it breaks apart as soon as you realize that without taxpayer money, it wouldnt be built.
I dont even have to go as far and tell you where your "private" investment firm gets its money from (pro tip: its also the taxpayer).

Good luck defeating China by becoming more Communist than they are.

>>108243988
Any state that allows companies to build thrives. They get jobs, they get tax revenues, they get quality of life improvements, they get richer.

>>108243995
>Anon, its a company exclusively producing for datacenters, it has fuck all to do with consumer prices, they exited that market.

Dumb nigger. This is your post, you dumbest gorilla nigger ape.

>>108243999
>any state that allows the continuation of the ponzi thrives
for a generation or two.

>>108243974
here >>108243889

>>108242940
Seriously. Why pick that place? It’s a dump

>>108244005
yes?
It's the same thing.
You think the AI datacenters operate by rules of the free market and produce a financial profit by selling services to consumers?

Are you retarded?
The only thing you get, from building more datacenters, is a Palantir drone buzzing over your head with more capabilities than before.

>>108243951
>which the ordinary citizen will not be able to access or benefit from.
Everyone has some use for ai, little go-- guy

>>108243922
imagine if Sweden repurpose all these gigafactories as IKEA stores

>>108244032
dear little goy, the chatbot, that we let you have access to, is barely more capable than OpenSource Deepseek which any small company could run with moderate investment

>>108244031
We have to stick it to those Chinese by building a surveillance state worse than theirs and by being more communist than they are!
Communism will win!

When you learn that neocons are literally rebranded Trotsky commies, it all makes sense.

>>108244009
>tax abatements are gibs
>gov courting companies to build factory in NY with promise they will pay for parts of the factory if they hire locals and built products
Where's the gibs again? The gov exchanged jobs for factory construction fees.

>>108243995
>it wouldnt be built.
It would just be built in an SEA shithole instead

>>108242936
>get massive government subsidies to make chips affordable to americans
>stops all non corporate contracts
>people complain about using tax money to fund private business
Wonder fucking why.

>>108244070
>its not gibs if i don't call them gibs!
>its not a state-owned company, if i have a private jewish person as a leech in between!

>>108244079
>gov buys burgers from mcdonalds
>GIBS!!!

>>108244082
the average mcdonalds worker is likely on several forms of welfare so yes, mcdonalds is another example of a government sponsored enterprise.

>>108244073
without government paid AI datacenters, there wouldn't be any reason to do that

Its never worth it to build a factory in a state thats run by communists.

>>108244095
Fabs are going to be built regardless as demand has done nothing but rise for consumer and non-consumer use

>>108244073
If SEA countries are cheaper and their workers as capable as mulattos, then the free market demands for the factory to be there, yes.
Mulattos will either have to become cheaper and competitive, or fail as a business.

That is how the free market works.

>>108244095
AI data centers gets build elsewhere. The only reason NY is paying people to build is because they do not have real real estate leverage, so they're adding incentives to get companies to come build, but as we find out with Micron, this is a waste of their own money, time, investment, effort. There's no such thing as free lunch. The "gibs" were offered there to offset the cost of regulations and even then, it wasn't worth it. If they had built in texas with on their own, they would have a factory up and running right now. They would have saved billions from time wasted alone. Thats why you build in states that allow you to build. Time is money. 3 and half years of wasted regulatory approval and another few years of frivolous lawsuits is just flushing your own money down the toilet, no matter how much the gov in those states offer

>>108242936
i doubt micron wants to build that factory anyway. I wouldn't
it will never make money.
Can you imagine american workers making memory?
All they will do is complain and demand more and go on strike.
I'd scrap the whole project.
And fuck Trump for makings these companies build factories in the usa. The USA sucks.

>>108244100
truth
Thats why China has so many businesses, while the USA, which became more Communist than China, is declining.

>>108244073
SEA shitholes will give them tax exemptions ranging from a few years to a few decades, they can twist some arms to make it happen. Regulations aren't nearly as annoying as well so yeah, everything points towards building elsewhere.

It is so funny, how much mulattos and their corpos seeth, when you simply demand from them to compete on the free market, rather than to live on government gibs.

>>108244116
>ime is money. 3 and half years of wasted regulatory approval and another few years of frivolous lawsuits is just flushing your own money down the toilet
This is no different in Texas or anywhere
Multi-year delays are part in parcel for US industrial projects, kinda why it's so hard to do anything

>>108244122
Deng reformation transformed China into a Capitalist country with relaxed regulation that prioritized growth as metric for improving the lives of their citizens. They went from shithole country to now competing on global stage as the 2nd most powerful country, prosperous country in the world.

Meanwhile in the US, we got too drunk and opted to stop building nuclear power plants, stop building new houses, stop building new factories, stop building new infrastructures to appease the regulatory state. The grifting became the mainstay of US. The more numerous the laws, the bigger the grift.

>>108244137
Tesla built their factory in Texas in 1 year time. Their China factory got built slightly faster, but both of them got there fast.

Why not build it in japan.

>>108244152
lmao

>>108244138
To be fair, smog fucking sucks

>>108242936
How much of the $100,000,000,000 is Micron paying out of its own pockets with the megafab? How much of it is from the government (your tax dollars)?

>>108243052
>Micron says yes, we will employ impoverished people or unemployed people from the surrounding neighbourhood
>*imports infinity jeets and put them all in your neighbourhood so they're actually employing lowly educated poor people in your community*

HOOOOOOOOOOOLY BASED!

>>108244169
growth with smog > stagnant death from deindustrialization

Is PFAS good for you?

>>108243663
No, you see, Micron should build fabs on previously federally protected land because it's being sold for cheap and now your electricity cost 400% more, your water is poisoned, and your land is toxic and made infertile, and you will be living next to a house of 20 Indians. Oh, you thought your chippies will now be cheaper? Sorry, these aren't made for consumers. Btw, thanks for paying 90% of the $100B on the fab. What do you mean "your share" of the profits? We're keeping it all.

>>108244223
PFAS aren't dangerous to humans. All this scaremongering about them is a conspiracy to make water bills skyrocket so home ownership becomes unaffordable for middle class americans. They make water bills skyrocket by forcing municipalities to filter out harmless PFAS.

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>>108244223
The science is settled on PFAs. Independent scientists (from the plant that makes PFAs) unanimously said it's good for you. Those microplastics in your testicles are GOOD, actually.

Yeah turns out electronics manufacturing involves toxic chemicals. Don't know what the solution is other than just let other countries do that stuff while western countries just deliver Uber Eats to each other as their economy.

>>108244253
Also afaik, data centers don't involve any toxic chemicals, they're basically equivalent to running a bunch of space heaters. So maybe going all in on those is the right move after all.

>>108243103
>Amazing how eager everyone is to suck up deindustrialization propaganda.
Do you think people posting it are fellow americans?

>>108244363
It's Americans that push it the most.
Westerners in general are deathly afraid that industrialization means they will lose their low impact office job and work in factories like they did 100 years ago, or work in a place like Foxxconn with suicide nets or some shit.

>>108244408
have you ever worked in a factory? it sucks dick.

>>108242936
It wouldn't matter to you, they've already closed their consumer division.

>>108244244
The healthy food additive Roundup helps the body process all those plastics into a harmless (but permanent) form.

>>108244427
I have, made catheters and other latex shit
It wasn't great but at the same time it paid alot more than working other entry level jobs like walmart or fast food.

My frustration is this delusion that absolutely everyone can work in a corporate office, or that service jobs are somehow better.

>>108244427
Not him, but I currently work in a General Mills plant. It's fine except for all the Missourians.

>>108244408
Yes but here on /g/ they simultaneously complain about ram prices and then are against micron fab construction in the US? Do you think these are americans posting this? Same people who make threads about how chinese ram manufacturers are based.

>>108244227
this post is antisemitic

>>108244227
The American Way.

>>108244453
damn, why do people, who complain about RAM prices, not shill for a corporation that is responsible for the rising RAM prices, while taking government gibs to participate in programs that harm the citizen?

>>108244453
They are under the incorrect assumption that Micron has completely exited the consumer market thus the fab is "useless" to them

If RAM is so lucrative and Micron is swimming in so much money that they can't even cover the demand.... why does the government have to give them gibs?

>>108244073
So you say that if i don't give them money, the will poison the water in some SEA shithole, instead of poisoning mine?

>>108244482
Fabs and other industrial projects do bring lots of economic activity.
It's basically a bid to build in a particular aera to bring jobs and future tax money.

>>108244470
>>108244482
>>108244495

deindustrialization propaganda slop

>>108244470
>while taking government gibs
Let's call it what it is; Taxpayer Money. All that "build incentive" comes off our credit cards.

>>108244498
So, why would i be interested in this?
They would import Indians to do those jobs.

>>108244498
That's cool, but why the taxpayer money?
If it is so profitable, why do i have to give them money?

>>108244530
because most pay for the roof over our head by means other than sucking our dads dick

>>108244498
And by future tax money, he means taxing the workers of course. The company will have worked out a "Special" tax arrangement with the State as part of their "bringing jerbs" initiative.

>>108244540
Weird, its generally agreed that a rising population, because of low-skill labor import, makes housing prices more expensive.

>>108244552
home price are expensive due to excess credit availability.

>>108244539
deindustrialization propaganda slop, all fabs in the world are government initiatives there is no free market in this industry

>>108244539
Because the USA is a bunch of feudal States that will always try and lowball each other to attract these plants. So the State Taxpayers will pay for the majority of the construction, including utility infrastructure, pay to set up education centers to pre-train workers, give generous tax exemptions to the plant, and promise the locals will be willing to work for less than their neighbor-States.
The Governor gets a nice kickback and can proclaim that he created a couple thousand jobs next election.

>>108244552
I don't care about jobs or tax money. I just want more RAM to be manufactured

>>108244539
It's not about being built at all, it's about WHERE.
You incentivze to build in your specific aera rather than in some other location.

>>108244571
its not RAM for you

>>108244576
I strongly doubt this is being built in NY City.
This is going to most likely be in rural NY, which did not elect a mudslime.

>>108242936
these 6 people are heroes
shouldn't have fucked with ram prices jews

>>108244580
ok, but i would rather pay money to NOT have them build in my backyard, rather than the other way around

>>108244576
it's not being built in nyc, retard. this the general location of the proposed ram plant.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/5171+NY-31,+Clay,+NY+13041/@43.1894229,-76.1671155,14.71z/

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>>108242954
im glad you're suffering

>>108244560
do i get free RAM in return for paying for their factory?

>>108243204
this is why you need to put the word nigger in your opening posts

>>108244596
I mean the picture proposal in the OP clearly suggests they are building it in Nowheresville, NY.
Some low IQ people can't wrap their heads around the fact that the majority of NY State is farm and rural bullshit.

>>108244608
nah it's just third worlders being mad US is building fabs while they have nothing
They come here and recite, jews, indians, toxic, gibs, goyim, handouts, DEI, trump, corpo. Hoping something sticks.

>>108244590
You're in luck because these things are built in places where you likely aren't living

>>108244629
Third worlder here.
I get Chinese RAM with higher quality and more GB for a tenth of what you pay for an inferior product, thanks to your Communist tariffs and government gibs for AI.

Please do more of this, its amazing.
In fact, you should build a wall around the US, and only airlift indians in. I don't own a single product Made in USA.

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>>108244770
Your trailer park isn't technically "The Third World", though it should be.
That said, I have a sinful amount of DDR5 in my Talon so I don't have a dog in this fight.

i am a white man, so i wouldn't benefit from those jobs
https://www.micron.com/about/blog/company/community/celebrating-people-progress-micron-annual-dei-report

this is a factory that produces something that is actually semi-real, it would've been better if it was a steel-mill, but alas.

people in the west really need to wake up, you can't base your economy on email jobs, because you can clearly see that doing that gives china the ability to just flood the markets and influence countries with raw materials endlessly

>>108244833
>muh China will be more relevant
And what's bad about this?
Does my country collapse, just because some other country is doing well?

>>108244825
a dictatorship would fix this

>The Project will cover approximately 1,000 acres and it will reportedly require six times more concrete than the Pentagon and use four times as much steel as the Golden Gate Bridge.
thas a big plant.

>>108244848
>And what's bad about this?
hey chink shill i want a fucking job thats real and not some retarded barista shit and i want my country to do good, stop thinking chinks don't have resentment against whites and that they don't want to kill you, they are probably worse than negros in that regard, just better at hiding it

>>108244833
US trade deficit went up and manufacturing jobs went down in 2025 in spite of (or because of) Trump's tariffs.
The factory jobs aren't coming back - unless you remove the minimum wage and convince first worlders to 996 doing repetitive work in harsh conditions.

>>108244868
you are free to work in a steel mill
>i want my country to do good
you mean, you want the jews ruling your country to do well. An important difference.
Your own country doesn't magically do worse, just because someone else is doing well as well.
In fact, less tariffs and more cheap chink shit would IMPROVE your personal living conditions.
Its called: Mutual beneficial trade.
>they have resentment against whites
Thats a theory.
Meanwhile i know for a fact that the jews that rule me hate me. And i know for a fact that niggers hate me.
The theory, that chinks would be worse, is unfounded and i will take the chances.

btw. trying to fight a communist country by becoming communist yourself, is fucking retarded

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>>108244890
>US trade deficit went up and manufacturing jobs went down in 2025 in spite of (or because of) Trump's tariffs.
It's because of. If you build lawn tractors, it's infinitely easier to set up in Mexico, and pay no tariffs on your parts and materials, then pass on the costs to your US buyers at whatever rate Don the Con wants to send. The nightmare is sourcing parts from within the USA and having to budget whatever arbitrary tariff rates he's selling that week.
This is why John Deere moved to Mexico.

>>108244852
A dictatorship wouldn't shove money up Microns ass, they would tell Micron to build their factory here or else their CEO would have a coincidental accident and fall out of a window.

>>108244914
There are a billion people in China who just recently went out of poverty.
Meaning that you have an unsaturated market full of people who couldn't afford e.g. cars before, but can now. And that market is three times the size of the USA.

There is much more money for US companies to make in China, then there is for Chinese companies to make in the US.
So: It harms the US economy more than it harms the Chinese.

It is very simple, but hard for Americans to understand, because they think they are the Greatest of the world in everything, and suggesting that a market outside of the USA is larger than their own, is blasphemy.
The main issue for the USA is that you can't honestly talk about raw numbers. You are always required to lie to yourself.

>let them build it
>they still sell everything it makes or will make to AI giants
Ok what now?

>>108244576
Anon, every "based and trad" southern state is most certainly as brown or browner.

>>108244890
>manufacturing jobs went down in 2025
The adjustment made by BLS in 2025 for Biden's last year was -98,000.
I don't think it's because of Trump.
Tariffs were a meme mostly used to coerce allies and countries dependent on american consumption to build shit inside america, they're also unconstitutional now, so.
>The factory jobs aren't coming back - unless you remove the minimum wage and convince first worlders to 996 doing repetitive work in harsh conditions.
>he factory jobs aren't coming back - unless you remove the minimum wage and convince first worlders to 996 doing repetitive work in harsh conditions.

i don't think you understand, we're gonna have to re-industrialize whether it's profitable or not, if the capitalist class doesn't want to do it, then the state will, let's also not forget about automation and inventive, which is still ahead of china... imagine putting 90% of the tech sector into supporting manufacturing instead of making webshit in NodeJS.
im sure they will be missed, they will have a good life in china, and they will be valued for their skill in assessing the market and risktaking (lol)
>>108244893
>you are free to work in a steel mill
they closed all of them down
>i don't want jews to rule!
ok...
>so that means chinks need to be a global power!
lol what? i want jews out of power and i want the west to stay on top, none of this third worldist crap, thank you very much.
>>108244920
yeah thats a good thing

>>108244973
>he still chinese people outside of coastal city-states spend money
lol

>>108242936
They should nuke NYC and build it in the ruins.

>>108243579
30K is decent where the economy isn't fucked up by developers.

>>108243649
>the town hall meetings regarding the project were pointless, because the slimy cocksucker agent did nothing but double talk or avoid answering questions
That's developers at public meetings in my city, but then city council approves whatever the cocksucker wants. Regular folks who just wanted to be left alone are about to start burning things.

>>108244855 (checked)
For you.

>>108243728
>You can build anything in the desert without harming anything.
Nope. The desert is also a fragile ecosystem. If anything, desertfags will fight development even more tenaciously than forestfags.

>>108245017
Chinese bought 25 Million cars last year. Americans bought 15 million.
Americans bought over 17 million over ten years ago.
The American market is DECLINING.
The Chinese market is rising.
So even if you do as many tariffs as possible and cut yourself off from the rest of the world, thinking that you have such an epic consumer market, you still decline, because your own market declines.
Note that the population in the USA grew by 10 to 20 million in that timeframe, meaning that a larger population buys less.

You want your epic mulatto country to do well, yet you close your eyes and shout LALALALALALALA when its about important economic metrics that are important to make good decisions.

The Chinese don't need you as a customer.
But you should be pressing hard on the Chinese market. The US government should subsidize Ford to flood China with cars.
Once you established your position in the market, you can always losen it. But its important to get a foothold.
Otherwise you leave the rising market to the Chinese themselves, resulting in Chinese products that are more competitive than your own. Now you have to cut yourself off from the rest of the world forever, because your companies simply can't compete and would get curbstompt the second you open up again.

You do what the late stage USSR did.
Good Luck!

>>108243742
>Why don't you value profit above all else, goy? What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>108245003
That is why we should build it. And build 10 more. AI is the future. We must win the AI race or Chinese AI will control the world and we will all become slaves to Communism. Face it. American AI will free you from the evils of Communism. Chinese AI will make you eternally subject to the rule of the CCP. It is not a hard question to decide the right answer to. America must remain the sole champion of AI in the market or we are all doomed.

>>108245139
coping because US still gaps china in consumer power by 10 points per capita lmfao

>>108245212
>look at this made up jewish metric, rather than actual physical goods!
funny how you were talking about steel mills and now are full into the fake number service economy cope

The reason why the USA is losing, is because of all the lies.
Lies everywhere you see. Even when there is a mulatto who actualy agrees that his country needs to rev up physical production, he will quickly repeat some lies he heard somewhere, as soon as someone suggests that his shithole of racemixxed fentanyl addicts isnt the world leader in absolutely everything.

The empire of lies.

>>108245238
>look at this made up jewish metric, rather than actual physical goods!
So with your Chinese median wage you're gonna get much more gold compared to an American median wage? What could be more of a physical commodity than gold.

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>>108245256
>gold

>>108245265
You're avoiding the question. Who gets more gold with their median wage Chang? If GDP is just jewish lies why does it reach down deep into China and hamper their purchasing power of simple material goods like gold.

>>108245256
Maybe its not the gold price that is rising so hard, but the USD that is sinking?
Since the USA doesnt produce gold, you have to buy it from somewhere and the Chinese will barely accept the worthless toilet paper that is the USD.

>>108245274
You can afford only half as much gold with your income now, than you could afford last year

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>>108245017
>The adjustment made by BLS in 2025 by Trum appointees for Biden's last year was BIDEN BAD!!
What a shocking and unexpected development. I'm guessing Trump is adding 5 gorillion jobs in 2 more weeks.
Reminder that Trump is the guy who revises weather charts.

>>108245275
>>108245278
gold crashed last week

you don't have a petroyuan

>>108245275
>Since the USA doesnt produce gold
The US is the 4th largest miner of gold, behind Russia, China and Australia.

>>108242936
Not in my backyard subhumans sure are something else...

>>108245323
Oh sorry, 5th now, my bad. Environmentalists blocked that massive mine in Alaska that would produce riches at the cost of most of the Salmon.

>>108243587
amerikkkans are top tier nimbys, so no surprises there.
however, this is actually a real concern as electricity prices and water availability will be extremely affected.

>>108245342
Based environmentalists.
I care about the life of some Salmon much more than i care about the wealth of some jews ruling over mulattos.

Ecofascism truly is the future.

>>108245392
Now the "Jews" are selling basically NFT-stock claims on unmined gold. I mean if you invest in gold that locked in the vaults somewhere, why not on gold that's locked in the ground?

>>108243860
You know Micron started in Idaho, right?

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>they don't even make RAM for humans anymore
>only for dataslop centers
Nope, don't care, standing behind the six lawsuit filers here.

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>>108243103
>just rape what's left of the untouched wilderness for muh datacenters

>>108243579
Yeah and it's fucking kicron you dumb cock gargling faggot. Who do they hire to run their fabs? Indians, chinese, and mexicans. They only hire americans for their offices, and even then half the departments are h1bs. I know your game you fucking piece of shit. Fuck you and the company you work for.

>>108243052
the american people have no future until the antiamerican government is dead

>>108243103
>>108243534
>These places are already out in relative bumfuck nowhere.
They're next to people's subdivisions you disingenuous nigger
https://www.datacentermap.com/
None of these are out in deserts or in the middle of the mountains, because then they would to run electricity and internet out there. Instead, they're literally plopping them down right in the center of ATLANTA and 20 miles on the outskirts of NEW YORK CITY, yknow, relative bumfuck nowhere you disingenuous oven-dodger.

Because they build in the middle of human towns.
If they weren't so evil, they'd just buy cheap desert land

>>108246315
If they bought cheap desert land, then Taxpayers wouldn't be able to subsidize their energy usage

>>108246289
Vast majority of these places where built well before you ever cared.

>>108246344
>Sure I put datacenters in people's backyards and price-gouged them for the energy use but you didn't CARE while I was doing it!!
Wow very compelling, tiny-hat vermin. Can I rob you then because no one would care? I mean you would only care after I robbed you, right?

>>108246344
"not an argument" award.

>>108246289
Who cares about data centers. The thread is about a manufacturing plant which actually does have negative effects on the surroundings unlike a data center which just uses a lot of electricity.

>industrialization is a jewish trick, stop building factories
>WTF why are we falling behind china?!
america is fucked

>>108246434
>steel from china
>concrete from china
>chips from china
>jobs from china
>lawyers from israel
They'd be lucky if 1 of the 100 billion arrives in the community.
Why should they deal with the pollution and rising energy prices?

>>108246461
so the solution to america not having enough manufacturing is to stop building factories?

>>108243852
You just described Phoenix in the 80s.

>>108246461
>want to build power plant
>want to build concrete
>want to build steel
>want to build chips
>want to build ram
>lawsuits and regulations prevent them
So "community" blocks all efforts to build and then complains they're not getting money?

Huh?

>>108246385
>unlike a data center
lol

>>108247240
>WAH WAH GOYIM WANT SOMEPLACE TO LIVE SO SAD HOW DOES THIS MAKE ME MONEY?
saving you from tiny mustache man was a mistake