Friendly reminder to get a UPS.Even if your power grid is stable, like mine, you wouldn't want to lose all your data to a random outage.
>>108250964UPS in general is a good idea, no matter what.
why would you buy one when you can buy a surge protector power strip
>>108250978>surge protector power strip is same as on-line UPS
>>108250978explain to the class how that helps you when the power goes out
>>108250978define what a ups is
>>108250964why the fuck are the UPS that can handle 5090's as expensive as the GPU itself?
>>108250991Where are you finding $200 5090's?
>>108250991My 350€ 2kVA UPS handles my 4090 fine.
>>108250978
Only my code has value and it's in git.
do ssds even have this problem?I thought the major risk for data loss in power outages was the hard disk head skipping or something
>>108251042lol
>>108251042unc you in 1988 or something?both hdds and ssds have enough capacitance to safety power off in case of power failure, doesn't fix filesystem related problems or ongoing large writes
>>108250964EXT4 Chad reporting in.Only reason I'm considering a UPS is I realized that now with fiber if I keep my endpoint powered on I then my homeserver should be able to ride-out a small power outage.
>>108250964>Friendly reminder to get a UPS.*if you live in a country with an unstable power grid, such as the USA
>>108251086Not even, weather related brownouts can be a thing even with a good grid.
>>108251090really depends on where you live. some places get virtually no storms or snow
>>108250964>not getting a Tesla powerwall or equivalent
>>108250964If you're smart, you'd get a LFP powered UPS instead. Instead of 30 second of timer with a lead acid battery that needs to be replaced once a year or so, you get a LFP battery that can last 50+ years and give you hours of backup protection when powerline goes downtime.And for the record, you want special types of LFP power packs that can both deliver enough power and also act like a UPS that provide sub 20ms switch over
>>108250964>be me, inna market for a UPS>going through ebay listings looking for cheap used rackmounted ones>See a 2U by CyberPower for $150 shipped>description says it powers on but wont hold a charge>image shows obvious bulge in the chassis>have a general idea of whats going on and the work involved>images also show a network management card, which is at least $100 alone>buy it, along with a 1U CyberPower networked switched PDU>it arrives, thing is fucking heavy, i bet the seller spent $50 on shipping>pop off front panel, batteries wont budge>pop the top of the chassis of>batteries molded into eachother like balls of putty>put on latex gloves, dig out a chisel and my hammer>start chipping away at the lead acid batteries>took like, 30 min>threw in 4x 12v 10Ah LiFePO4 batteries with HMS protection (necessary feature for replacing SLA batteries)>powered it on, it works, including the network card>left running for a few days with a light load, no issues>brought everything down, racked the CyberPower equipment, ran the power lines how i wanted, brought everything back up>few days later, its stable>run battery calibration test (monitors battery life as it safely mimics utility power failure)>it lasts a cunts hair over 3 hours>My internet modem, my fortigate firewall, my 3 mini 8 port switches, my wifi AP, my mini watchdog server, my 24/7 livestream RTSP processing server, my security NVR, my eufy home base; all can run for 3 hours on power failure$150 for the unit, $120 for the 4x batteries. I think that was $270 well spent
pyramid scheme scam. if you buy one you have to sit there looking at a useless black box that you wasted money on so to feel like you got your moneys worth you shill it online every chance you can like a good golem
>>108251221>$120 for 40Ah LFP batterykek12V 100 AH for goes for $100 and has been for a while now
>>108251275>12V 100 AH for goes for $100 and has been for a while nowOkay, go buy a UPS and try replacing the 2-4 SLA batteries with your 100 amp battery and tell me how well that works, then you can laugh about how cheap your big battery is.>isnt a drop in replacement for 6" x 2.5" x 3.7" batteries>even if a single battery could fit it can't replace 2-4 batteries wired in series>the only way you could use it is by building a new housing or have some jerry rigged setup where external batteries are connected to a UPS via exposed cables
>>108251042>do ssds even have this problem?Shutting down when the power goes out? Most electronics do this.
>>108251086I live in a country with a stable power grid, completely safe against rain, snow, heat, cold, and any disasters. Yet some fool manages to trip a wire and kill the power to the entire neighborhood at least once a year.
My UPS saved me four times in just under three years. Worth it. Peace of mind.
>>108250964Switching to OpenBSD was unironically what convinced me to buy a UPS. My UPS has a counter for how many times it's been activated and it's currently at 18. Running fsck every time my power flickered for even a second was annoying. You can also buy a 12V UPS for your router for under $20.
>>108251086A few months ago, because my house is old, a fuse broke and knocked out power in half the house. Just half the house. Living room and kitchen were fine. Bedrooms weren't. UPS protected me from a random act of god fucking me up.
Power surges are non-existent here.
>>108250964I have a couple of them. Both of them absolute monsters at 75lbs. Each one has 25lbs of batteries in them. I'd like to upgrade to newer ones though once they solid state batteries have had some time to mature in them.
>>108250964>>108250972mehwill die in a year (battery) or twoannoyingwill beep like a bitch with no option to turn offexpensiveheavywill choke on bigass gaming rig or workstation/AI
>>108251053>both hdds and ssds have enough capacitance to safety power off in case of power failurelol NO.ssd have good chance of gettning bricked.unless you have the real super-cap SSD, which you probably don't (and they often do not work on consumer grade, e.g. do not fit also in the m2 slot, and supposedly need some extra hardware to really work)
i bought one but the noise is unbearable so i dont use it
>>108251924You can get a 2.5kW unit for 350 eur, enough for several 5090s. Batteries last at least two years on an on-line one. Every modern unit has a simple software command and physical switch to turn off alarm. Get with the times, unc.
>>108251934The SSD itself won't get bricked, your filesystem will. Super-cap based ones are for making sure the NAND block table gets written to NAND before the power goes down, so it's less likely to damage your filesystem, not even the last write the PC did. HDDs parking heads is a solved issue for 30 years now though.
>>108252153Sounds like there might be something wrong with it. They don't really make noise other than a fan.
>>108250964Do I look like some kind of first worlder to you? I don't have money here in the third world to afford it.
I know in practice they're a good idea, but at work we have to have two since they are constantly the source of failure and fritz out and everything shuts down if we only have one. What I'm saying is, they are a single point of failure without redundancy and no better than relying on the power grid.
>>108250964>https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/1rg0fp1/so_my_ups_blew_up_and_fried_all_my_servers/Needing ups is a skill issue. If your server can't recover from dirty shutdown seek another hobby.
>>108250964What data? Code? Backup every 15 minutes, if I can't rewrite 15 minutes of my code again I deserve to lose it. The only reason you'd ever want these is when you're updating your firmware on your bios, gpu, ssd, or similar. And even then most Mainboards have a static ROM of a BIOS that if the flash fails ti defaults to and you can rewrite the other part. So you're stuck with extreme edge cases that will literally never happen.
>>108251197LiFePO4 units are still stupidly expensive thoughThe only affordable option is GoldenMate which doesn't have proper software integration in windows, it just acts like a dumb laptop battery controlled by the windows power plan settings.
>>108251197>If you're smart, you'd get a LFP powered UPS insteadOr maybe just get one of those modern "solar generators" like Ecoflow which are so much more versatile than oldschool UPS.
>>108251197My normal lead acid UPS runs my setup for 26 hours if I'm not gaming + network and TV. Batteries aren't even new, just enterprise grade 5kW UPS with two extra packs, takes up a whole rack.
>>108252449Their switch over time isn't always as good as a real UPS, but the bigger issue is most of them don't do active voltage regulation, meaning if the power cuts instantly, no problem it shunts over to battery, but if you're getting dirty power (inconsistent voltage) it'll continue passing that voltage into your devices until the voltage drops so low that it loses power, but sensitive electronics (like computers) really don't like dirty voltage delivery.So yeah, they're not really a full replacement for a UPS at the moment, they're an okay emergency UPS though. Better than nothing at all.
>>108250964Please recommend me a reasonably priced UPS that can power my 550 W (most of the time pulling ~200 W I think) server for at least 5-10 minutes before shutting it off gracefully. I cannot decide whether to trust the cheap ones not to burn down my house (I've read horror stories about APC and CyberPower catching on fire) or to actually work on my PSU because of some online FUD about fake sinewave UPSs not working with Platinum PSUs (I have a Seasonic Focus PX-550 Platinum certified)
>>108252468I don't believe you.2U rack mount SLA UPSs are limited by SLA power density, which is a hard limit. The highest capacity 2U rack is ~864Wh, assuming a standard 85% efficient inverter and you have ~735Wh of capacity. Meaning even a VERY light power load of a monitor + a router would be ~9-12 hours of use, not 24+ hours.
>>108252468I lied, it was actually 7.2kW. Had to check. >>108252567The main UPS unit itself is already 6U and has internal batteries, now add two extra 4U battery packs.I just got a stupidly good deal on it, it would otherwise even used cost several grand.
>>108251924>will die in a year (battery) or two5+ years even for shitty ones, the battery on any worthwhile unit is cheap and easily swapped>annoying>will beep like a bitch with no option to turn offMost let you turn it off, if not you can just remove the buzzer.>expensiveA couple hundred dollars new? Better than damaging your several thousand dollar computer if the grid shits itself. Get a secondhand one if it's that much.>heavyWho cares. You put it under a desk and leave it alone for years, weight is irrelevant.>will choke on bigass gaming rig or workstation/AIYour own fault if this happens. Get a properly rated one for your demand.
>>108252649So 240V, $10-15k new, $5-9k used/refurbished, weighs around 600lbs, and uses 150-200W of idle power.I wouldn't even want it if it were free desu. I live in a home not a warehouse/datacenter.I also still don't believe you, but because it's not possible but because I refuse to believe anyone would choose to live that way.
>>108252709>but becauseBut NOT because
>>108250964No thank you, i have COW, ZFS, and WALFuck off with your 10% increased electricity bill due to efficiency loss. Making any 80+ power supply into a 70% top.
>>108252728LiFePO4 UPSs are about 96% efficient round trip.
>>108252709It's in the basement. I live in a three story private house in the countryside. Not even wealthy, literally a NEET on disability gibs right now and moved back to my parents after ending work abroad, sharing the house with my parents (got my own floor with bathroom, kitchen and door though, rarely even run into them).
>>108252783Yeah that sounds horrible.Hey, as long as you're happy.Personally i'm looking to build a new home over the next year or two and will probably just budget in a whole home battery system.
>>108250964I'd rather be able to kill my encrypted NAS by pulling all the fuses when the police visits me.
>>108253606Unless you've got thermite charges set and ready to go instantly on notice.Good luck buddy.
>>108253630Good idea, my man.I will be setting this up shortly.
>>108253658If you're going that far, then feel free to use a UPS, since power isn't going to matter when you set your thermite charges off.
I just pray everyday and God makes sure my server is fine.
>>108250964You really need one in Portugal. Power outages are frequent there.
>>108252700>>108252164I have 2000W PSU (might move to 2 strongest rtx cards besides threadripper).Such UPS will be around1000$-1500$ (or far more)
>>108250964>Even if your power grid is stablehow about living off-grid
>>108254542If you don't ACTUALLY need 2000W and can sustain yourself on a “paltry” 1600W, that can be had for just under $1k, and around $800 on sale.
>>108251181If I had one I would still get a UPS for my NAS.Home batteries don't protect against tripping breakers.
>>108254559If you're off grid, you should essentially have a whole house UPS already with a decent solar system, unless you're living like a hobo off-grid.
>>108254657Sure, but tripping breakers is usually caused by poor electrical system installation to begin with, which if you're putting in a whole home battery system you're usually going to be able to address an issue like that anyway.If you're really concerned, pre-plan where PCs will get plugged in and make sure they're on dedicated 20A circuits that aren't shared with anything else (except maybe overhead lights or something).
>>108252449>>108252492I also wonder if something like an Ecoflow can communicate with a NAS over USB?When my UPS loses power my NAS gets a signal and I configured it to shut down after 5 minutes.So even if the outage lasts way longer than my (small) UPS can handle my data is still safe.
>>108254676....or just buy a $60 UPS
>>108254703Some of the newest models from Ecoflow do have HID data ports that can tell a computer plugged in to shut down, but their software is still quite new and relatively untested, as well as having the above mentioned issue where they don't do voltage regulation.
>>108254774If you're already paying $10-20k+ for a whole home battery backup, you're a cuck if you're too lazy to fix your wiring to make it so you don't need a UPS.
>>108251042I trust hard drives a lot more than SSD's during sudden power cuts.If only because hard drive manufacturers should have learned their lesson decades ago.
>>108254795My wiring is fine.But my RTX 4090 will probably catch fire and trip a breaker one day.
>>108254838Then you have a shit PSU
>>108250964Power outages are rare here, and when they happen I don't lose all my data. Autosave ensures at most a few minutes of work get lost. And journaling filesystems ensure there isn't filesystem corruption.
>>108250964i got one those old ones have glue that is a fire hazard, i put lifepo4 in it. I am told it's bad and isn't sustainable like you can't get the actual amp draw or something from em but so far they work, i was thinking getting a big boy with 6-8 batteries but the lifepo4 have a series limit and i wondered if i should just not get a ecoflow and some panels instead
>>108252492>>108254703Some models have good switchovers, but they specifically say if they do have it or not in their specs. Ecoflow Delta/River 3 plus have sub 10ms switchover. ATX PSU standard is 16ms for power failure. Some older models of EcoFlow are <20ms, which is acceptable.There are other LFP "power stations" models that do similar sub 20 ms as well.
I already have an industrial power surge protector wired with my circuit breaker box and I've got no need for the batteries.
>>108254967Doesn't stop the voltage regulation problem.Already some reddit users who bought them for NAS UPSs have had issues running them off older/shittier gas generators because the voltage coming off the generators isn't regulated and the ecoflow batteries just pass that voltage along until the voltage cuts out entirely, but that unregulated voltage can be damaging to PCs (and other sensitive electronics).
>>108255033Ideal setup isnt gas generators charging the batteries. Home AC -> BatterySolar -> BatteryAnd if properly setup, a switchover ideally connects home AC <to> Solar where if there's solar, it uses solar, if there's AC, it uses AC. If neither, then run on battery. Solar comes up everyday, AC is almost 24/7.
>>108255134I'm aware of the ideal setup, i'm just telling you that people have had issues because it doesn't do any voltage regulation of its own, which most UPSs do.Also, you can't assume AC voltage is going to be steady either, I live in an area where my power company regularly see voltage droop in the summer down to ~106V sometimes even lower. Without voltage regulation when connected to that AC connection your Ecoflow will just pass that 106V right along to your PC.
>>108255147I mean, just put in a cheap $5 surge protector in between. Its not that big of a deal
>>108255170Anon, I don't think you understand the issue.A surge protector doesn't regulate voltage.A surge protector saves you from a sudden surge, but that's it.When you have voltage DROOP, IE, going from 120V nominal to 110V or less, or inconsistent dirty voltage where it's jumping around between 90-100V and 110-130V. None of that is going to be stopped by a surge protector, or that Ecoflow Delta/River 3 Plus. Dirty/inconsistent voltage can be just as bad, or worse for a NAS than a regular power outage.
>>108255213https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FMY4SKRD/$25. Customize maximum acceptable voltageCustomize minimum acceptable voltageThe solution already exists.
>>108255314And there are cheaper options too that aren't modern that give custom minimum/max voltage protection. Its not that hard.
>>108255335Yeah I think i'll stick to a regular UPS that isn't tacking it on as an additional tertiary feature and also requires I plug it into a 2nd device to give me the same or similar functionality.
>>108250964I don't think it'll cause issues desu. Any issues caused can also easily be fixed. Worse case I imagine I'll just need a boot drive to mount the rest and fix it from there.
why it cannot be powered directly from an ups?the combo 12v ups battery-> mais ups inverter-> 12v power supply is really stupid.Like power supplies should have a standarized 12v port for ups
>>108250964Jokes on you; I'm off the grid
>>108250964If the power goes out my laptop just runs on battery.
>>108255213>Dirty/inconsistent voltage can be just as bad, or worse for a NAS than a regular power outage.I'm not really convinced with the way modern SMPS power supplies work.Incoming power goes straight into rectification and into the bulk capacitor. The voltage doesn't really matter or how dirty the power is and it's how PSUs are rated for 90v-264v.I've seen power supplies work on 60V before during a phaseout condition
>>108256644120v/110v -> 12v is a huge loss of power efficiency in heat from the amperage output. 24v or 48v are more ideal. Copper wires are cut in half, just from that, heat loss is cut in half or more.
>>108256918sure, but many ups work in 12v anyway and same for power suppliesmy point is to avoid the retardness of inverting it just to rectify immediately at a half a meter length
>>108256983If they're doing LFP, then LFP batteries can be put in any voltage they want since the supply chain can handle any amount of optimal voltage. Laptop batteries can be put in there. 18650 batteries in series can be added together for any optimal voltage setup. Laptops increasingly come with higher voltage batteries for better efficiency. Same with ebike batteries. You dont need the 100 year old 12v standard. Its very inefficient
>>108257012yeah i got an old 24v ups, and a 60v bike.that is not the main point
>>108257056You cannot force UPS makers to dumb down to 12v standards or they will be left behind in dust as modern chinese made LFP UPS replacements work more efficiently
>>108257104they could just put a fucking dc-dc to 12v buck regulator, anon you are being obtusemy point is to avoid the inverter
dye basement rack?
>>108257367dye 6000va UPS?
>>108250964My nas got bricked while doing a firmware update during a momentary power interruption that would have otherwise probably just recovered if it hadn't been connected to the ups. the ups saw the dropout, tried to switch to the battery, but before that the power came back on and it took even more time to switch back to mains power. what was left in the psu caps and inductors probably would have been fine.
>>108257367>>108257413electricity bill go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
>>108250964>Friendly reminder to get a UPS.a ups? that's cool.. that's cool.I have 8.anda segway cube 2200an ecoflow delta 2a 3500 watt generatora 3000 watt generatora 900 watt generator2 200 watt solar panels1 100 watt solar panels2 100 lb propane tanks3 20 lb propane tanks20 gallons no ethanol gas2 gallons kerosenea pile of 18650'sand other stuff.
also2 100ah lifepo4 batteries1 deep cycle lead acid battery1500 watt pure signwave inverter
>>108257887beats five hundred subscriptions and cloud/vm server fees but ye economics might flip on that after a few more years of lolAIbubble
>>108258092>>108258032Too poor for an integrated whole home system?I'm looking at shit like the Anker SOLIX E10 where I can have the gas generator, solar, and batteries all tied into a single system that handles everything in one place.
>>108258116>Too poor for an integrated whole home system?no. I may get solar panels soon. we get like 300 days of sunshine here.
>>108258116also there is a Tesla Megapack a few miles from me that was recently built.
>>108258173Just get a EV, drive when you're not at home, utilize it as backup battery when you're at home.They're like $10-20K now for large packs
>>108250988I don't mind if the power goes out. OP was insinuating that only a UPS can prevent loss of data due to an outage
>>108258182how does a surge protector prevent data loss in a power outage?If you're in the middle of writing data when the power goes out, a surge protector does nothing, except protect you from a SURGE in voltage.
>>108258190HDDs and SSDs have cache on write by default.
>>108258202Anon, that can HELP, but that in no way ENSURES there is no data loss.The only way ENSURE there is no data loss is with a UPS (or a whole home battery system).
>>108258190>If you're in the middle of writing dataWe're thinking of two different things. I don't mind if I lose live data, not too important in my case, I just don't want to lose the data already on my SSD.
>>108255335This. I just bought a used one. The chirping that it makes to remind me that it works is very cute.
>>108252449I want one of these as a whole house UPS, but for some reason the ones that can do 240v are 10x the price.
>>108254542>>108254649What are you on about? A 2600W UPS is 350 bucks.
>>108250964Well a baby step is surge protected sockets but thanks for the reminder, I unplugged my three UPS fucking around and forgit to turn them on again and they are normally on trickle charge and it's bad for the batteries so here's a (you).
>>108251533>freetards be like this power is too spicy for me
>>108250964do what you need but i do not add lead acid or capacitor ups when power is out its out
>>108259304Link?
>>108250964No bombs in my home for me, thanks!
not buying ur bags dude
>>108258231>>108258202>I don't mind if I lose live data, not too important in my case, I just don't want to lose the data already on my SSD.You don't just lose data from power outrages retard, you can also lose entire hardware from them. This board continues to get dumber and dumber by the minute.
>>108259743NTA but this is what I haveSlightly more expensive but also higher wattage
>>108250964I just bought a GAMING Cyberpower 1500va UPS from Woot. A little strange because the other one I was looking at had simulated sine wave and seemed to be the "professional" targeted one. This one has pure sine wave, and despite it saying "refurbished" it looks brand new. Fancy little screen too.I already have an older 1500va model that I recently replaced the batteries in, but I needed two extra sockets that the new one has.
Wait. So the UPS I have says it outputs 900w, but the new PC I'm going to build will have a 1000w PSU. It won't use that much and it's over kill, only bought it cause I got a good price for it, so can I still plug that into the UPS without any issues?
>>108260105Yes
>>108260041Nothing like that exists on the US market.The cheapest double conversion unit with that sort of wattage in the US new would run you ~$3k.
>>108260108That's good. I assumed that unless I tried to somehow use all 1000w, which I won't, it wouldn't be an issue. Does this only matter if it needs to switch to battery? If it's still on a live line will it technically be fine?
>>108260136> Does this only matter if it needs to switch to battery? If it's still on a live line will it technically be fine?Short answer is it depends.Generally though you want to keep your total draw below the UPS rating, even if it's not running off battery.
>>108260155Huh, maybe I should get a bigger one as I plan to have more than just the PC plugged into the battery side. Maybe even two PCs.
>>108260237Yeah you'll want a larger one if that's the case.I've personally always bought 1000-1200W units for my single PC and multi-monitor setup.
Hey guis
>>108260240I've got my current one filled up on the battery side and it's also only 900w, and the psu in this pc can use 850w. Has always seemed fine. Though I think I've been fortunate to where I've never had a game up or anything when a power surge or brown out happens.
>>108250964>you wouldn't want to lose all your data to a random outageI've lost power six times this winter so far. Most I've lost is some game progress that didn't save.
>>108250964My computer has builtin UPS
>>108261382based laptop user
>>108260019>This board continues to get dumber and dumber by the minute.You got that right, retard.
>>108260111>Nothing like that exists on the US market.>The cheapest double conversion unit with that sort of wattage in the US new would run you ~$3k.No wonder Americans think UPSs are a meme.
>>108262596You can grab cheap ones used sometimes like >>108260270But yeah if you want a new double conversion UPS, the cheapest decent ones are $800-1k and they're less than 2000W.
>>108250964>wouldn't want to lose all your data to a random outage.Who wants to tell OP about laptops?
>>108251086A couple years ago a squirrel got into a transformer on the edge of town, took a few houses' power down when it popped. Don't think that's a grid fault that can really be protected against.
>>108254859>journaling filesystems ensure there isn't filesystem corruption.Yeah, on Linux lmao. I've had multiple outages that fucked ntfs filesystems.
>>108262865what good is a UPS though? if your whole grid is down likely your internet won't work, and realistically the outage will be repaired within like a few hours to max a dayyou can just read a book or go outside in the meantime
>>108250988UPS is just to give you graceful shutdown, you've be pushed to get more than a few hours out of one unless you pile big money in, a small one would only give you an hour on a laptop (maybe)
Just do backups of important data, like you should be doing in the first place.
>hey guys get a UPS to protect your data>posts cyberpower
>>108263545>if your whole grid is down likely your internet won't workWhy would you assume that?Almost all ISP infrastructure is at MINIMUM on a local battery backup, and often will have a gas generator for longer outages.As long as you keep your router powered, you SHOULD maintain internet connectivity during a power outage.Unless your ISP is dogshit.
>>108263587okay fair enough, i didn't know that. but still it sounds like it's not that huge of an issue to take a small break from electronics
>>108250964got no data i'm unwilling to part with. also let's start with how do you figure that power loss equals data loss? i mean it can happen in some extreme cases but it's pretty fucking unlikely overall. go sell your shit somewhere else.
>>108250964
>>108263637Does help when the power cuts while your OS was accessing a critical file that got corrupted and fucked your OS installation.Still recoverable if you know what you're doing, but a UPS can avoid those issues entirely.
>>108260041I daisychain 500W ones, running high wattage stuiff of UPs unless it's racked is a fools game.This is why the GT1020 was not a meme in low profile, you can put together a machine that runs on a 180 wat power supply with one using a i4 4790s and 32GB and get 8 cores and is useful.
>>108263695>This is why the GT1030fixed
>>108263565that one just comes with the trendy integrated rgb leds
>>108263695>i7 4790sfixed
>>108252255>What model/make was the UPS>uhhh, no idea hahaThat post is fake as fuck
>>108250964> lose all your data to a random outagemy shitposting isnt that important anonalso windows being windows, im losing data to random freezes anyways
>>108263621Nah power surges can kill expensive stuff easily enough when power comes back on after cuts if you don't have surge protected power strips on you shit you are tarded. It will pop e.g TVs and monitors easily. Where you need a UPS is on a RAOD box, it will signal the power loss and signal that to the device which uses the time onn the batterly to do a graveful shiutdown. this is what they are for really. The only way you are usinng one for computing is on a laptop or SFF with a low watt power supply in it to give you longer on it or by trickle charging it while you are on it off solar etc, trying to power a led light spaceheater desktop off one just won't fly. t. used use fulck hufe ones under blade servers and has them on several RAIDs and on low pwer boxes using solar and wind turbine charge in front of tractor battery banks
>>108263710I mean, he said it was a 4U dell unit, so most likely a rebadged APC.
>>108263710NTA In my experience APC or go home, also the batteries only last so long and need servicing however it's usually easy to pop them out of an APC and get them serviced (far cheaper than replacing)
>>108263729>also windows being windows, im losing data to random freezes anywaysWindows will do graceful shutdown fine and it's server variants to as long as you connect the lead from the UPS to the machinne and configure it. Pretty vital stiuff on boxes running any form of database including email on any flavor of OS. You just have limited knowledge of real computing and just think you will do because your a kid who installed linux mint or some shit
>>108252255>Needing ups is a skill issue. If your server can't recover from dirty shutdown seek another hobby.I'm, so0rry you are linking reddit and know nothing about databases or email clusters and are just fucking retarded. NO database system like having the power yanked out from under it and there is no way to configure one to deal with that.
>>108250964I haven't had a power outage in my entire life.Are you a third worlder?
>>108263766Anon, I swear, sometimes windows freezes and you have no option but to manually hold down the shutdown key. Is that a graceful shutdown?
ITT I learned that the people seething about windows (I assume linux users maybe unfairly) know fuck all about computing for real as a profession, which I'm honestly suprised about. If you think mysql on linux will handle having the power cord pulled and be fine all the time you are actually retarded. Maybe, maybe not but you can'[t afford maybe not when it's something doig 50 grands worth every ten minutes and peoples jobs depend on it working
>>108263788Sounds to be you lacked the skill to make the machine run reliably in the first place. Being serious. If you built it yourself considder buying EM machinens and thinking less of yourself. I shit on windows for real reason not because I'm too much of a spastic to ise it as designed. Why is you machine and install a fuck up? Who knows...could be a myriad of dumbs.
>>108263782They happen anon, the sites I looked after whould have 20KW generators with auto kick in outside the building that would run for hours,and then UPS under the systems to brige that while the generator kicks in, or if only 10 minutes batterly, do shutdown. I'm not in tyhe third world either and my experience with the USA is that some states have SHIT grids and some are EU tier, it varies. It does not matter, if it's your job to keep shit running it's your problem.
>>108263816>consider buying OEM machines
>>108263788Some advise, flash the bios up, then take a close look at the leads connecting the disk controller like you have them stuck unter a space heater GPU, check your disks for failures and reseat your memory, check the disk for corruption and do an sfc and then get malwarbytes and give it a deep scan and consider rolling all your drivers back to soemthing stable. Seriously kids if you can't get a basic windows install running without it locking up what the fuck are you doing even commenting on something like power redundancy. You realise in enterprise we actually have machines with multiple redunant hot swappabe power supplies and fan modules to begin with as well right?
>>108263908Are you trying to tell us that windows is never supposed to freeze? Come on this is android. Windows as being freezing and crashing and burning for as long as I remember. At least windows 10 is way more stable than windows 95/98. Thats a win.
I bought a UPS after a power outage fried my last PC. Still don't know what happened, it just refused to power on afterward. I WAS running a game that took up a good amount of resources, like 70% of my GPU and CPU, but it could've been the motherboard. I cheaped out with a gigabyte model.
>>108263545It's so you can safely save & quit your work if the power's still down after an extended period while also just ignoring short outages or slight brownouts. I can't manually go and make my power grid better but I can make my stuff resiliant to the grid being crap.
>>108263935NTA but is an extremely rare occasion.If it's happening regularly I would start suspecting hardware faults.
>>108259781said the moron with the bomb in his pocket that he probably posted with.
>>108260105>PC I'm going to build will have a 1000w PSUit is highly unlikely that you will ever pull a full 1000 watts for any length of time. I have a 700 watt PSU and an RTX 4000 and the most my computer has ever pulled is about 350 maybe 400 watts and only when in a game using RTX.
>>108264483I've got a 750W PSU, an RTX 4070Ti, and I 450-500W while gaming on my UPS, but that also includes 2 monitors, and 2 desk lamps (LED bulbs) and 2 5" speakers.
>>108260111>Nothing like that exists on the US market.https://www.se.com/us/en/product-range/61915-apc-smartups/?N=brand%3Dse%26country-code%3DUS%26language-code%3Den%26ats_rated_power_in_va%5B%5D%3D3000%25C2%25A0VA&selected-node-id=23679172486#products
>>108263545>what good is a UPS though? if your whole grid is down blah blah retard noises.so you can gracefully shut down your equipment, and save anything important, and also to keep shit going in a brown out, or if a storm, or some moron hits a power pole.
>>108264499Read the whole post>The cheapest double conversion unit with that sort of wattage in the US new would run you ~$3k.The one anon posted available in the EU is less than $500.
>>108263935>Are you trying to tell us that windows is never supposed to freeze?if that is happening you must be using 11 or something is very wrong. the last time I had weird shit happen it was a bad motherboard.
>>108264539>is less than $500.and I bet it is worth every penny.
>>108250964What if all your computers are in different rooms?
>>108263562You shut down the big computers and keep the sbc router and other very low consumption devices running for far longer
>>108264554It actually is, they're solid units, they're quite loud, but otherwise they work well.
>>108263935>>108263935>Are you trying to tell us that windows is never supposed to freeze?Yes.
>>108264617Even on a small home setup a 500 watt UPS dailychained with another one and a small cheap whisper generator is better. The first UPS starts the generator when it looses power, the second connected directly to the machine shuts the machine down when it looses power. SFF low power power builds GPUs and CPUs are great for this shit and using alternate energy if you are a hobbyiest. If you want to go big go big and get a 10KW generator and 5KW batteries. If you have a 1KW peak PC then you'll need to plan around that. Personally I'm not that bothered about home client machines though keepinng them on surge protected strips along with other expensive electronics is a must do and no brainer and cheap, where you start needing this is stuff like RAID arrays or CCTV and drone secrity grid and drone detection or if you are running servers that have mail stores, databases etc on them.You can so some or nonne (but none means having power surge protected power strips instead of beinga tard). Obviously way easier and cheaper if your shit is 500 watts or less and as syou go up the hole in your wallet gets deeper. RAID arrays HATE having power pulled on them and really need graceful shutdowns. If you are running RAID in a desktop and you yank the power you are inviting disaster. Maybe OK, may have to rebuild the entire RAID stripe for 24 hours.
>>108265003>daisychainedI don't like givng advise out here because I don't want jeets to benefit from it.
>>108264617nothis>>108263843>They happen anon, the sites I looked after would have 20KW generators with auto kick in outside the building that would run for hours,and then UPS under the systems to bridge that while the generator kicks in, or if only 10 minutes battery, do shutdown. I'm not in the third world either and my experience with the USA is that some states have SHIT grids and some are EU tier, it varies. It does not matter, if it's your job to keep shit running it's your problem.
This is what railroads use to ensure crossing signals continue to work in power outages. Must be reliable.
>>108264518sounds retarded. nothing these days doesn't have autosave
>>108260136It will screech at you if you use more power than it's rated for even on external power.
>>108265103The only applications that are still installing generators in 2026+ are hospitals and other critical infrastructure, and even they tend to have large battery backup systems that they rely on first before starting up generators.Generators USED to be the go-to, but battery systems have taken over for the most part and most infrastructure can be kept online using batteries which are much cheaper to operate long term compared to generators.
>>108265193An NG fueled generator can theoretically run forever though obviously as a mechanical system, would eventually need maintenance. No idea where you're sourcing your infinite capacity batteries but it must involve time travel. In current year, batteries are still a capacity limited component of any backup system. They work best as a buffer, not as a replacement for having energy inputs.
>>108265306Anon, no one said there are infinite capacity batteries.But for things like remote rail signal crossings, a battery + solar panel can give you 20+ days of uptime with zero sunlight.Again, you're retarded if you think generators are the first stop for infrastructure backup power in 2026+.Like I said, generators ARE still used for the most critical infrastructure, like hospitals, police stations, etc. But for rural signal crossing? Nah senpai, battery + a solar panel will suffice.
>>108263565>American outletFound your problem
i'm honestly kind of surprised how many people here don't understand how much damage can be done to data with a sudden power outage. i bet these are the same people who would move some files to an external drive and immediately disconnect it and then wonder why the files are corrupted
>>108250978When/if the power goes out unexpectedly, the UPS kicks in and gives you several minutes to shut down your station properly. Learned how useful these things were when at work. I'd also recommend these for people in older homes that constantly throws the breaker.Before I bought one I was playing Kenshi, and in the middle of saving the power lines in my block got fucked-- power went out. I rebooted my PC and noticed the save file on Kenshi got super glitched, amount of time on the savefile was showing -2834957.432Hrs or some shit like that, it was fucked lol. Game loaded fine though, interestingly enough. I got off lucky that time, because if things aren't fried the data can still be potentially corrupted.
>>108263545>what good is a UPS though?Prevents corruption and reduces the chance of hardware damage. Reminder that unstable power can fry electronics, it's not just a matter of unsaved shit.>if your whole grid is down likely your internet won't workIt does, infrastructure also is on UPS and sometimes generators.My router is also on a UPS, being a light load it will last many hours without grid power.Outages less that ~10 minutes (which is most of them) do not affect me at all, even on a desktop. If I'm on a laptop, outages less than the battery life (a few hours) are also inconsequential.
>>108265103No, they don't. They have batteries in a signal hut at each crossing and signal.
>>108265193Are you just going to pretend that giant ice storm this winter didn't take out people's power for days? They are worth having around for disasters depending on where you live.
>>108265910Are you actually retarded or are you just incapable of reading?What the fuck about my post makes you think i'm saying NO ONE is using generators?Jesus christ kill yourself or learn to read, whichever you find easiest.
>>108252649not that other anon but give me the deets bromy small company needs something like this
>>108265923>faggot says generators are only useful for critical infrastructure.>faggot gets reminded people lose power that goes beyond what any battery system is going to store.>faggot gets butthurt and projects his retardedness.
>>108266111No retard, the discussion WAS infrastructure, so that's what I continued discussing.I was NOT making broad sweeping statement for backup power in GENERAL.Simply for infrastructure, battery has become the standard outside of the most critical infrastructure like hospitals, data centers, etc. Though even then you're a fucking retard if you don't think battery has become THE standard backup solution for modern emergency power solutions.Generators obviously have their place, but they're nowhere near where they were even a decade ago.
>>108251924My CyberPower lasted 5 years reliably, probably through 30 outages (socal), I only replaced it when I noticed it depleted prematurely after I had already shut everything down. Just bought a new one.
I have 8 UPS's. I used to have more. most of them came from clients who did not want to pay me to replace the batteries, and just had me order a new one.only one UPS did I by brand new. several came from thrift stores, and one came from ebay.the only issue with any of them was they needed new batteries. I have some old APC back-ups, and those need the voltage calibrated so they don't boil your batteries.however there is now a company (goldenmate on amazon) that make UPS's that use lifepo4 batteries and should be good for 10 years. the next UPS that I have where the batteries die are being replaced with a lithium ups. I am sick of replacing SLA batteries every 2 to 3 years.
>>108250964Sorry, i live in the first world, why do i need this?
>>108266370You will find out.
>>108266331The 10 year figure is actually based on when the battery has ~80% capacity, so as long as the other electronics don't fuck up, it could be useful for another decade as long as you understand the capacity is no longer 296Wh, but more like 220-230Wh. Though realistically the capacitors in the brain of the UPS will probably only be good for ~8-12 years unless you really make sure to keep the operating temps low for its entire life.But a "golden" (pardon the pun) unit could theoretically still be useful as a UPS (albeit with ~50-60% runtime) in 20 years if treated right.
>>108266407I am aware of all this.
How do you even tell if the battery of your UPS has expired?Will it signal a fault code to a NAS attached via USB?Will it start beeping like a smoke detector?Or do you just have to be proactive?
>>108266496Every 3-4 months unplug your UPS and make sure it's actually able to swap over to battery AND doesn't run down from 100% to like 10-20% in just a handful of minutes.Once you notice the battery starts dropping quickly compared to normal, you should swap to new batteries.
>>108260019>You don't just lose data from power outages retard, you can also lose entire hardware from them.That's my argument anon. Hence the surge protector.
>>108266756Are you really so retarded as to think a power surge is the only thing to be concerned about?
>>108250964Idk where people live that they have literally perfect uptime, but where I live is very normal suburbia near a large city and we typically have 1-2 times per year where the power goes fully out for an hour or two. UPS helps a ton there because once it's clear it's not just a 30-second deal I can shut everything down cleanly. And beyond that, we get probably 1-2 dozen voltage-drop or brownout or frequency disruption type events or short 1-10 second outages per year. So a UPS on things really smooths those out. Some of those a PSU would be able to just handle due to its capacitors acting like a buffer. Others would be reboots. And they're cheap enough that they just make sense.
>>108254703>>108252449>>108252492>>108254703>>108254967I would suggest not getting one of these for switch over they are slow as hell. I keep my living room set up connected to ecoflow because I don't care if its slow to switch and I still have some issues with it. Sometimes the AC plugs don't work for some reason and need to be switched on/off. I also tried the solution putting a UPS in front of a ecoflow that doesn't work because the UPS keeps being retarded.
>>108266765Yeah, that's the only thing I need to be concerned about. I'm not going to circlejerk around problems that are extremely unlikely to happen.
>>108266852I assume you also don't have homeowners/renters insurance, health insurance, or car insurance.After all, why worry about problems that are extremely unlikely to happen?
>>108266862Do you also protect your data from CMEs? You need to bury your drives at least 30 feet into the ground to prevent data loss.
>>108266875Lmao you're delusional, a UPS is a surge protector AND more. All of the benefits you get from the battery uptime ALSO prevent 90% of all other electrical issues that could kill your electronics.By FAR the most common ones are from your local grid power or your house's internal wiring. While a surge is the biggest potential problem for mass catastrophic failures, individual component failure can be induced by voltage droop, inconsistent fluctuating voltage, and other conditions that aren't going to be fixed by a basic surge protector.In my opinion, if you've got $1500+ computer/monitors/TV just plugged into a basic bitch surge protector instead of a UPS, you're just dumb.Just like someone who drives without insurance.
>>108266915>doesn't account for CMENGMIGMIenjoy your dataless state. might as well set your drives on fire.
>>108265193you'll want it to be able to charge your battery on the days that aren't sunny or windy
>>108267342Solid Oxide Fuel Cells are becoming a thing.
>>108267365crazy times. finally it will be possible to live comfy hermit life in some distant abandoned building somewhere far away from the collapsing society
>>108267404>live comfy hermit life in some distant abandoned building somewhere far away from the collapsing societyno internet
>>108257367Bro, what the fuck are you even doing with that many blade servers? You'd better have your own at-home cloud solution, Plex/Jellyfin, and the kitchen sink.
>>108267549>no internetStarlink works
>>108267549local storage. but if it works you can figure out something like a higher gain antenna maybe those lora/mesh memes if you need to place the modem thing really far away for the goy waves
>>108250964Isn't a UPS just a big power bank?
>>108267613oh yea i forgot that. it would also be great for making it harder for the eussr goons to find me as with the g waves towers they can easily figure out client location but getting this from elon will be more difficult for my irrelevant country
>>108251248Man, do I really need to be consooming more just to use my PC?
UPS for router and proxmoxGaming laptop as a main meaning ups is includedNext question
>>108263695What are you trying to say? Also the same UPS is available in rack option.
>>108250964Why would I "lose all of my data" if the computer just goes off?
>>108268185Lets do a little experiment shall we. Update your BIOS, OS, drives, etc. and during those update, unplug your PC from the outlet. Post results.
>>108268299basically all of those have a redundancy for unexpected power loss now.also >drivesyeah I update my drive firmware every single day
