>be me>decide i've had enough with having my personal information being raped away from me>start researching ways to have more control over what my phone does>there's this recurring concept of de-Googling>grapheneOS pops op>building targets: Pixel phones>as in Google Pixel>so I should buy a Google phone in order to de-Googlewhy would I trust a company I'm trying to avoid with building the hardware that'll enable me to avoid them?this is a genuine question btw, I don't know enough about hardware but I'm pretty sure that you can backdoor chips and stuff like that.am I retarded, or is my intuition right?
>>108251187Because Pixel devices are the only phones on the market right now with hardware protections to prevent your zogslave carrier from sending your phone's baseband processor malware that can take over the rest of the phone.
>>108251187Companies and especially big ones aren't giant monolithic blobs with a single will and motivation, they have multiple teams some of them might not even be talking with each other, some others might be regularly having fights over petty shit (see jxl vs chromium drama, both technologies created by Google).Of course we're outsiders so we don't know whether the hardware designers and creators of the Pixel phones truly want to rape your personal data away from you like the ads team wants but we can judge it by checking the product itself. And security/privacy autists, the kind of people who can find ways of farting into the microphone to hack into electronic devices, have checked the hardware of the phone and they found its security/privacy to be ok. And the phone gets bonus points for having an easily unlockable bootloader, so you can easily remove all the privacy raping software without too much hassle.
>>108251217Proof?
>>108251230Read the docs or do an internet search. They explain on multiple occassions why it's limited to Pixel devices.
>>108251187GrapheneOS dev picks Pixel due to very long update support compared to all its peer for the most part.Motorola and Xperia are only disqualified due to shorter updoot duration
>>108251217That sounds dangerous terrorists could exploit that
>>108251217>>108251228interesting, thank you for enlightening me frensI feel like I probably have to do way more research on this stuff, I just don't want to make a vain investment in a Pixel
>>108251272Pixels are pretty comfy phones even if you disregard the privacy/security options, mainly due to the lack of any 3rd party shit aside from standard Google shit. And the standard Google shit can be easily disabled or replaced, partially or entirely as you see fit. I've seen other 3rd party Android phones have gotten increasingly shit some of them have started serving ads even in the settings menu.The only pain point of Pixel phones is performance compared to other phones of similar price. Thanks to the lack of bloat you don't notice it with daily use even on very old Pixels, but it looks bad on benchmarks and resource intensive games.
>>108251314thank you for sharing your experience, honestly I don't care that much about high performance since I use my phone for basic every-day shit
>>108251187I still don't understand why there is so much hype surrounding grapheneOS, and I wish some of that development effort went into improving more reasonable ROMs like lineage. Almost makes me think that it's secretly a google project just to get more pixel sales or do a rug pull. They obsess over physical security, which is only really important for a small subset of people, even when restricting to tech autists. I care about not having my data stolen by my phone's software, which can be accomplished on most phones which aren't too locked down. You do not need grapheneOS to degoogle or to remove bloatware. Its only real usecase is protecting your loli porn from the scanner used by the airport security. Or if you're an activist, I guess.>>108251314I prefer the xperia. They are also mostly bloat-free out of the box aside from the usual google crap. The bootloader can be unlocked easily. But unlike every other phone today, they still have a microsd card slot and a headphone jack. I thank the nips for being incapable of adopting the retarded changes which apple and others try to shove down our throats.
>>108251366Same, and even though my Pixel 6 is notably "slow" compared to other flagships it is still fine and smooth in 2026, must be because Google's Android is the least bloatedI wanted to install GrapheneOS too but I can't be bothered backing up everything
>>108251253>They explain Why can't you? Are you lying or retarded?
>>108251187Get an iPhone
There's a reason why the New Zealand Government banned the domestic supply and sale of the Pixel. It is not, as Google claims, because the market in New Zealand is too small. There's nothing stopping you from bringing one from overseas and using it within New Zealand, but the couple of dozen people that do this each year are automatically put on a list by the NZSIS and go through a risk assessment process. There are a number of systems in New Zealand, for example, the Emergency Mobile Alert from NEMA (sends alerts about natural disasters and civil emergencies) and a system from the NZ Police - I cannot remember the name right now - that allows Police to track and eavesdrop on an individual in real time, all rely on the ability to do basically what this anon described >>108251217I can confirm that GrapheneOS allows you to turn this "feature" off. But who cares about my opinion. I'm just an anonymous retard on the internet. :)
>>108251414>Almost makes me think that it's secretly a google projectWell it certainly rises reasonable questions lolI'll look more into Lineage, I've just checked the devices they support and it includes my current phone so that's great
>>108251444wow, I have never heard of thisI've seen some attempts to attack the grapheneOS projects, like a few months ago in French media, but it wasn't this violent and direct
>>108251480GrapheneOS focuses on security & control, very different than Lineage which is just a clean and nice android version, but as "regular" as any otherI've used Lineage many times when replacing bloated OEM android bullshit and it is great, but you will literally not be doing anything that Graphene does
>>108251187I have a pixel 6a with grapheneOS. It's a good choice overall. It still doesnt give you root access so you can't prevent your phone from charging to full to protect the battery. Other than that it works quite nicely.
>>108251535Yes, grapheneOS is useful if you wish to thwart targeted surveillance. But it offers no benefits over a standard phone running a degoogled lineage OS when it comes to mass surveillance and privacy.
>>108251444There are several stores in nz that sell pixels right now? Whenever Graphene comes up, I feel like Mickays simps crawl out of the woodworks to spread his schizo fantasies.
>>108251668Post some links then hero.
>care a lot about privacy>has a social security number>has a credit score>has a driver licence>has a passport>has a bank account>has a birth certificate>has a ID microchip inserted under your shoulder bladesok "privacy"
>>108251187>grapheneOSGraphene is dead for new Pixels. It relied on Google providing more code than other manufacturers and Graphene devs are too bad to make a custom rom the normal way.
>>108251420>>108251230Google spent millions developing the Titan M security chip. It is one of the few mobile chips that allows a third-party OS like GrapheneOS tore-lock the bootloader. Most custom ROMs require you to leave the door unlocked, which is a security hole. Pixels also allow GrapheneOS to "lock the door" with its own custom keys. The hardware also checks that the OS hasn't been tampered with every time you turn it on.
>>108251187m*cay is planning to release a native GOS phone, just two more years
>>108251892>Graphene is dead for new Pixels.Elaborate.
>>108251912that's all lies and fake explain it for real
>>108252023research it yourself are you retarded?
>>108251991>2025not new
I considered going with another pixel (I've got a 4a 5g that needed replacing) but went with something well priced for the specs I needed. I want everything Graphene is pitched to do, but not enough to give Google money. Just working on touching my phone less instead>>108251668You appear to be full of shit. There's parallel importers at best, and Google doesn't support warranty in NZ.
>>108252396Just duckduckgo “buy google pixel nz” and you get a couple links to nz sites that sell them. How is that backlisted? Not sold in the official google store it seems, but longcry from being “banned” by the gobberment.
>>108251187>>so I should buy a Google phone in order to de-GoogleJust get a refurbished one, look on ebay etc.>>108251414>Almost makes me think that it's secretly a google project just to get more pixel sales or do a rug pull.They already partnered up with another hardware vendor, to ensure the same hardware+software security, this is why iPhones are so secure. But maximum security without privacy is just a prison.>lineageI like lineage, I use it on an old phone. I think it's fine for most "de-google" or privacy people. Sure, if you can't re-lock your bootloader, it sucks, but that only matters if your threatlevel is someone performing an evil maid attack on you.>>108252281If you really care, just read the fucking Q&A, fucking troll.
>>108252281so its fake
>>108251774you're right, we should all go cash only, burn our passport, ID, and birth certificate, become stateless, fake our own death, and larp as the unabomber. because anything less is basically the same as doing absolutely nothing.
>>108251228One of the biggest upsets or surprises for me returning to Android phones after being an Applefag.Google is the only choice if you're control and privacy conscious, quite ironic.Unless you want one of those linux phones.
>>108251540Just making sure I am reading this correctly, you CAN get your full battery capacity back by using graphene, right? I don't care about some protections google put in place because some retards tried to charge their phone in a microwave.
>>108252657nigger
>>108253443The charging works the same as on android, so does battery size. If you would WANT to artificially limit your max charge to 80% to protect the battery, you CAN'T do it.
>>108251414>xperia>latest and greatest snapdragon chip>no 3rd party bloat, unlockable bootloader>microSD and headphone jackhuh, that sounds surprisingly good. Why are these phones so underhyped?
>>108254502>extremely expensive, only appeal is for those who want antique features>shitty update timeframe>low availability So you pay top dollar even for a midrange Sony, just so you can corrupt your SD card, have a weak headphone jack, and be autistic about having no hole punch in the screen.
>>108254840>extremely expensivetrue, they are somewhat overpriced.>only appeal is for those who want antique featuresare you one of those redditors who genuinely believe that whenever smartphone companies remove useful features it's because they are outdated?>low availability do you live in a third world shithole?>just so you can corrupt your SD cardretard>have a weak headphone jack..what?
>>108251187>am I retarded, or is my intuition right?Do these need to be mutually exclusive, anon?Just because you're right, does that stop you being a retard?But in all seriousness, yeah shit like graphene your 'best' shout. But.Screwgle done fuckin' with releases for pixels that make the reasons pixel was initially selected - good support - unrealistic. I'm not entirely sure how that one worked out. Seem to recall a list of model they was lookin' into...Long story short, it's now more effort to actually do it. As for the hardware... I have zero evidence with which to back my claims but I posit it's all fucked, no matter which option you get, and it's fucked at the 'ARM' level and the baseband modem level. Minimally. As both of these offer execution out of observation of the user.
>>108251912>Pixels also allow GrapheneOS to "lock the door" with its own custom keyscan lineage do this too?
>>108255163AFAIK, No.It's my oly real gripe with lineageOS. From what I can understand it's 'cause the binaries isn't signed, the why on that isn't known to me, I did find out but filed it as 'bullshit' and didn't bother retaining...
>>108255163No. This capability is one of the reasons GrapheneOS is only on Pixels right now. Lineage maintainers could specifically allow it on Pixels, but I don't think they do it. Other brands can't lock the bootloader with a custom key, thus (in part) why Graphene doesn't support them. - Sent from my Pixel 10 Pro running GrapheneOS
>>108255408>Lineage maintainers could specifically allow it on Pixels, but I don't think they do itNope.Well. It's not disallowed. And it carries warning that should you do so and brick it, it's not their fault.
>>108251187Actually google was cool for a while. Android is open source that's what allowed the creators of Grapheme and clayx (defunct) to make it.Recently google took away device trees. I'm on grapheme right now no worries but it does make life harder for grapheme staff and it flat out killed poor calyxThey also killed fdroid and made a few other harsh changesGrapheme has partnered with a myatery device. Unlike the pixel they will have a PARTNERSHIP meaning this won't happen again they may even ship phones with grapheme on them one day. The chip was revealed and it's superior to google pixel as well and will likely be much more affordableIntact future google pixels won't even be supported as google cut tiesIf I were you I'd so google pixel 9a maybe I think they're onsale make SURE to buy from the google store I had t mobile and had to wait 40s for an unlockWas easy to install but making sandbox/second profile takes you 5 minutes if you want google naps
>>108251217pretty sure that someone posted here 2-3 years ago that he/she managed to flash Graphene on an older Samsung.Its doable with other phones, but has no official support from the Graphene team
>>108257299XDA have a few threads for a few models...Unofficial tho, so 'support' is on a per case basis...
>>108251444What features are you turning off? What is this called? I need to read more about it, I never heard of it before.
>>108259484NTABut I assume he's talkin' of turning off the emgcy alert...As for tracking, if that's connecting to a base station triganometry puts you within a few meter square. For eavesdrop I've many foilhat theory with no tangible evidnece. However. It is a fact that a lot of users don't really give a fuck what they install. It's also a fact phones tend to come preloaded with 'nefarious' offerings. Both of these points become relevant once you realise nothing really seems to ask permission to glob into raw accelerometer data, and these tend to be sensitive enough to decipher human speech. Seen 'em pull back PIN input from acceleromter in 'tardwatch... In theory, should be doable 'tardphone, too...
>>108251187didn't they announce that they'll start supporting some other phone brand soon? gos won't be exclusive to pixels anymore.
>>108251912>Most custom ROMs require you to leave the door unlockedlol bullshit
>>108251253Sooooooo you have zero proof I thought so
>>108251444Thanks again for providing zero proof of your schizophrenic delusions
>>108262698>lol bullshitOkay then.List them. Side by side.Roms lockable Roms unlockable.Lets see which pile is larger.>>108262739>Sooooooo you have zero proofNTABut them showed you where to find the evidence you're just too lazy to look for. Oddly enough it was in the f'kin manual.Yes. It is plausible to make graphene fit into other devices. There is real world evidence of this happening. As there is for why the project selected to limit to pixel devices.>>108262751>Thanks again for providing zero proof of your schizophrenic delusionsNTABut can you supply evidence that it *isn't* possible to hijack a baseband modem and the OS that is runing on that - A known threat vector - and use that to pivot against the rest of the device?
>>108265192Unlocking or locking bootloader is in the hardware side, nothing to do with the ROM. Most phone could do it if the manufacturer cared about it.
>>108265192>Okay then.>List them. Side by side.>Roms lockable Roms unlockable.>Lets see which pile is larger.custom roms have become obsolete for a decade nowwith su you can just customize whatever you want and remove all the bloat in stock romsso i dont follow the scenes, but locking a bootloader is a manual op, i dont see why the os would prevent this
>>108266440>nothing to do with the ROMSo that doesn't need to get signed?>>108266562>custom roms have become obsolete for a decade nowEvidence suggests otherwise.I think what you meant to say is it has become too conveluted for most to bother.>but locking a bootloader is a manual op, i dont see why the os would prevent thisAs unwise as it is to speak on the behalf of third parties, I don't think any o 'em this wanting to leave the bootloader unlocked.
>>108251187I wouldn't worry about it, goy.
How does P10P improve over P9P?
>>108254086There exists an option to do this. I have it enabled.
>>108267931>P10P10>9
>>108267931>Brighter screen>TSMC 2nm Tensor G5 vs Samsung 3nm Tensor G4, not a huge performance gain but doesn't get as hot under load>qi2 magnets (MagSafe compatible without a case)
>>108251585Lineage is NOT degoogled you uninformed retard.Here's a whole fucking ass test and analysis:https://www.kuketz-blog.de/lineageos-weder-sicher-noch-datenschutzfreundlich-custom-roms-teil4/
