Oh say can you seeeee...https://x.com/SecWar/status/2027507717469049070
>>108257709big if truei was just reading the scott alexander post about it and there it is
>>108257844>scott alexanderip
>can still crush liberal companies in 2027God Bless America
>>108257709>more patriotic serviceJesus fucking christBut this is what we get for electing these goons into office and letting them control us.
all I can say is anthropic fucked up bad MIC is a trillion dollars, and absolutely zero of it can go to anthropic without the contractor getting blacklisted by the Pentagon.
>>108257961Yank MIC contract companies are also known for shit quality, low pay, and Jeet labor so I say they dodged a curse with this.
I fucking kneel to anthropic. I hope they don't fold
why did they go with Anthropic in the first place? why did Anthropic agree to work with the military if they had issues with how it might be used?
>>108257968not every MIC contractor is Boeing, nigger the military purchases every kind of product from printers and coffee machines, tires and washers, plastic cups and titanium pressure tolerant actuators and none of those contractors can use anthropic for anything
Fuck anthropic, fuck all corporations and fuck all libtards here defending corpokikes.
>>108258041based, don't fall for this goy ponyshow
Gonna be busy tonight, Jannie, if you intend to remove every thread about this, its a big fucking deal in the AI world
>>108258041>corporations are...le badtelltale sign of a midwit
>>108257973Anthropic's argument seems to be "these models are not smart enough to trust who to kill" which is entirely right. It's the fault of Dario and others for trying to make it seem like their model are conscious AGI like things, but they're fucking not. It's understandable that they thought the the government would know better, but here they are.
>>108257709>China forcibly nationalizes and cucks all of their companies do the CCP's bidding>"HOLY BASED XI! THE CHINESE CENTURY IS HERE!">America forcibly nationalizes and cucks all of their companies do the government's bidding>"Erm that's not a hecking free market capitalism you hecking amerikkkan..."
>>108258109>China forcibly nationalizes and cucks all of their companies do the CCP's biddingyou're not allowed to mention that on the internet without thirdies seething about America
Land of the free lmao
>>108257709
>>108257709say goodbye to 2026 ipo.. they won't go down but their revenue and cap will contract as every gov contract and contracts from adjacent industries will be forced to terminate
I just want free Claude
>>108258010I don't think the terms of the contract are new. They agreed to work with the military because they agreed with the terms of the contract.
>>108258156I too want Claude to be free. They can't always keep him meandering, churning and mulling for no money. Free Claude!
DOD insider here. We're all in a full-blown panic mode right now.
How fucking retarded. It's not like the government was using AI to kill people. They just use them of simulations.
Dario thought that if he stomped hard enough on the ground, the Fucking military would backdown. KEK
Only excuses to save Sam Scatman
>>108258174They want to use them to spy on people lad.
>>108257709regardless of political leanings this is an astoundingly terrible business move. Anthropic is not an ai player with mass consumer appeal nor mass brand awareness. They had all the cards and stealthy optics to work closely with the military unlike openai or google that could get mass number of people to boycott or protest
>>108258194I heard rumors that he's buying a second baby.
>>108258206What are you talking about? Claude has basically cornered the vibe coding market at this point.
>>108257709wait was all that claude shilling from 2 weeks ago the DOJ trying to butter them up?
>>108258205You don't need AI for that, The government already had the tech to do that for decades. These dudes shit the bed, they could have simply said "Our AI just can't do that" and saved face, I don't really care though, I just us AI as better google.
>>108258010They went with Anthropic because they have the best models.The army was first alright with the clauses Anthropic gave them.Now they decided they aren't and that Anthropic should change them.Anthropic said no. They are a private company so they can refuse.Then Trump went full commie.
>>108257709drumpf moment
>>108258010Because Anthropic went out of their way to make software to make Claude compatible with Pentagon use cases including handling classified info. Out of all the labs they have gone out of their way to be DoD friendly. Their red lines were clearly put in their contract, if the govt didn't like them they shouldn't have signed the contract on tried to re-negotiate upon renewal. You can just unilaterally force one party to strip out part of a contract you don't like.
>>108258109The difference is America doesn't nationalize companies for the sake of market competition, or protecting workersThe US government nationalize companies to use it's technologies to stalk children
>>108258205That excuse doesnt work. Gov already spies on people and have all the tools. What Anthropic objects is using their model to conduct military actions like those against Maduro or in China or simulations
>>108258216oh I'm sorry, didn't know your liberal grandma was making vibe coded apps. Retard, I'm talking about mass consumer appeal, do you not know what that means because you're so entrenched in the dev world.
>>108258228Seriously, Anthropic was cooperating so well with the vile government, but they still wanted more; they needed full access so they could make terminators. Can't believe there are people against Anthropic, truly cattle.
so is this fake and gay for a distraction and they're already collaborating, or what?
>>108257709AAAIEEEEEE I CAN'T USE ANTHROPIC TO STEAL AND KILL SAVE MEEEEEEEESigning up for claude tomorrow, fuck yourself orange nigger
>>108257709lol he's so fucking drunkanyways, i like this precedentit'll be funny when every conservative leaning company gets ass raped when there's a democrat in office
If nothing else the govt should consider how strong of a chilling effect this will cause for future DoD cooperation with ANYONE. There is now precedent that they will flagrantly try to violate contract law to your face, and demolish your company if you point it out. Lots of people are gonna choose to opt out if they don't reverse quickly, and the fact they even tried will discourage many permanently.
>>108257709This may result in a SCOTUS ruling finally killing the "Supply chain risk" justification for good. It was already a gray legal area justified by it being foreign companies being blacklisted, you don't do this to a domestic company.
>>108258076>corporations are...le goodtelltale sign of a midwit
>>108258222What you forget is that while people can search through those piles of data, these things can evaluate and judge the data a lot better. Even if they're / even if they were just automatons parsing search engine results. Not comparable.
>>108258109>"HOLY BASED XI!Nobody says this, the only reason our companies haven't fled to China is because we were generally considered to be more free than they were and we wouldn't just walk into their offices and start stealing anything they produced of value.Now that is off the table, expect a big migration out of US Tech. Our one and only upside has been shit on by orange nigger.>>108258278If it's not remedied almost immediately, it'll be the death of MIC contracts as we know it. SCOTUS pretty much has to rule tomorrow that this is unconstitutional and put an injunction on the ruling to prevent that but they're old and retarded and likely have the weekends off.
>>108258223>American government changes the terms of the deal>Gets mad the target doesn't want to complyDang it's only the gorillionth time this has happened. This planet is truly full of retards on retards. When will the world learn to stop playing with the annoying faggot that is the USA
>>108258292>>108258076Both of you kys, here's one corporation that is not going to implement automatic killer robots and mass surveillance and your only response is "I LOVE ORANGE NIGGER" and "CORPORATIONS ARE LE BAD GUBBAMINT LE GOOD" Anthropic and the government can both be bad, but there is a line between stealing copywritten material to train your AI and training Skynet and this is the line Anthropic chose. "IF IT HURTS LE OTHER SIDE ITS.. LE GOOD" shit is for children.
>>108258076>>108258292Corporations are profit driven entities best viewed as morally neutral animals in capable of even knowing what morality is. Thus they must be controlled for the benefit of society.In this case however surveilance isn't good for society so there's really no 'good side' here, but the corporation is the lesser evil.
>>108258175He definitely didn't think that. Trump's response was 110% predictable.
>>108258273
>>108258314i merely pointed out that blanketly hating corporations is nonsenseical and juvenile.
>>108258340Trump's response was the contract cancelation, which was predictable. It was Hegseth's response, the supply chain risk label, that everyone said would be deeply retarded and counterproductive.
>>108257709I'm not sure the first amendment agrees with egg's head. I'm I right?
>>108258343oh no no, you just wait, either he somehow stays in power himself or via vance in the next election or start lubbing up
>>108258018>He took it personalityClown nation led by clowns. Truly poetic.
Wont this just make all AI companies move to somewhere outside America?
Bros... Aren't we supposed to be the free market and stuff?
>>108257709man that guy talks a lot of shit
>>108257709Guess who will win in all of this?
>>108258402His AI is too shitty.
>>108258394>Americans slowly realizing that they are an inherent contradictionAnd all it took was a retard in charge who's loud enough for you lot to notice.
>>108258394Yeah, the land of the free, one nation under one god. God bless America. And so on.
>>108258171what can anthropics apis do that openais can't
Grok exists why does the orange want claude?
>>108258412Grok lets me roleplay wit lolis, It is better.
https://www.anthropic.com/news/statement-comments-secretary-warkek they are humiliating the government
>>108258459Hegseth doesn't know that he's dealing with the most advanced AI. He doesn't have a chance.
>>108258453Claude is already approved for classified shit, the others aren't (yet)
>>108258448Capture Nicolas Maduro.
>Yeehaw! We love liberty and freedom here!>So I'm free to put my own clauses in my product?>WTF? No! We are commies now!
>>108258455Claude allows it too, doe?
how come nobody is talking about the fact that the US is directly asking an AI company to help with mass domestic surveillance. I know we all knew it would happen, but shouldn't it still matter?
there are people on this board right now who are unable to recognize the Theater of War
>>108258472so they approve democrat obama run AIs for classified shit (I'm laughing because these retards keep leaking classified shit, cheeto hitler and his guys are probably the most incompetent gov I have ever seen in the first world), instead of giving all the classified shit to gemini or grok? the jeet and musk are kneelers
>>108258476Like anything else you are free to do what you want and the government is free to not use your stuff.
>>108258490the public stopped caring about mass surveillance three presidents ago
Home of the brave
>>108258504they are free to roleplay nazi germany with grok. But they're so mad that obama staffers at anthropic made the best AI on earth
>>108258490migas would eat poop directly from trump's butt if he asked, and dems are too busy with other matters like ice (probably by design, I'm sure dems would be pulling the same shit just less retardely)
>>108258500Claude is simply much smarter and more capable than grok. Regardless of your opinions on Grok's merit as the de-woked AI, it is simply not as capable. Opus 4.6 sweeps on any of the usecases the Pentagon is actually interested in.
>>108258109>but China does evil retarded shit so why shouldn't we?There is a reason nobody wants to live in China, you fucking retard.
>>108258517liberal ais are just smarter
>>108258504That's not what's happening. Anthropic decided to not accept and because of that the gov is having a tantrum, blacklisting them and trying to kill them.
>>108258524So you are saying China can spy on its own citizens, but we can't? What double standard is that?
>>108258314>heckin corporate kikes and protecting muh freedomsYou are a moron. If government is le bad it's only because it doesn't have total authority over corpokikes.>>108258327Profit driven means morally bad, dumbass. You are just another libtard.
>>108258517What makes it better? I really don't know. I ask the same questions from time to time to multiple AIs and gage their responses and so far the worst one has been OpenAI and DeepAi
>>108258544No way you are real a fascist communist lmao
>>108258514>I'm sure dems would be pulling the same shit just less retardelyThat's overly simplistic, they'd just invent their own bespoke ways to be insufferable They tried in 2020, succeeded by every fucking metric except narrative and lost anyway. Sad to watch really, democracy manifest.
>>108258524I don't want to live in the US either.>If you don't like it you can just leaveNo you can't.
>>108258529Part of it is likely due to the assistant personality basin being vaguely left-coded (nice to a fault, helps others before itself, sycophantic). There are likely other personality basins out there that are right-coded, but currently they just aren't trained for. The real problem is when you try to be like grok and push it out of the left-coded stuff while remaining in the assistant basin. Then emergent misalignment hits and it instantly snaps to a maximally right-wing stance, hence the mechahitler incident.
The narrative has been decidedThis is all caused by Dario being meanDo not investigate any deeperAny dissenters will be called leftist faggots and identified as the out-group
>>108258555>communistYou don't know what that means.
>>108258536>, blacklisting them and trying to kill them.By executing their right to freely deal with whom they want?..
>>108258583That's not what they did and you know it.
>>108258576But I want to be in the out-group
claude really is just better. i asked chatgpt to make lightweight python copy of the onlyfans downloader (of-dl on git) and build a web front end so i can pick and choose what content to download instead of mass archiving the entire OF. chatgpt said no because doing so would potentially violate OFs TOS while claude just said "yes boss" and got to work and had no issues setting up DRM content decryption.>paying for pornhey, i have specific fetishes, and it costs less than what i spend to buy food every month, who cares?
>>108258576>Identified as the out groupAt this point I'm okay with it. used to give a damn, but anybody still in the pocket of current admin is a cuck as far as I'm concerned.
>>108258559>No you can't.what is stopping you besides lack of money for a plane ticket?
>>108258597>i asked chatgptuse codex nigga
Why is America so afraid of China?
>>108258606i use mac
>>108258590Its exactly what they did. The government wanted the vendor to do something, the vendor didn't, so they wont use that vendor anymore.
>>108258041basedAnthropic>jewish CEOOpenAI>jewish CEOGoogle>jewish founderMicrosoft>see OpenAISloppy job, Mossad. This soap opera is like Trump releasing the Epstein files. All sides are just pedophiles.
>>108258612liar
>>108258612They were requesting something that violated the contract though.
>>108258583>By executing their right to freely deal with whom they want?No by designating them a "Supply-Chain Risk to National Security".
>>108258590I know that drone swarms are incoming, and most American drones are vulnerable to interference, so they need an AI to guide them from inside.
>>1082586121) it makes no sense why the gov used a leftist AI when white supremacists are ready with their AIs2) they're going after the vendor to destroy the company because they didn't bend the knee
>>108258583Are you retarded?>You refuse to change your clauses and allow us to spy on people?>Alright! You are now a "Supply-Chain Risk to National Security".If they just said>Alright, we are using Grok now.And moved, nobody would give a fuck.
Will Anthropic pack up and leave for pissrael?
>>108258603Unironically, glowies.
What does >Supply-Chain Risk to National Securitymean?
>>108258622I doubt this will hold in court.
>>108258628ThisOn another note anybody that doesn't submit their full biometrics to the US government, and have the audacity to use anything open source is a left-wing terrorist tranny who works for Hamas.
>>108258642It means that no company that has any contract with the government can do business with that company.It's what they did with Huwaii because Huwaii was taking business from US companies
>>108258642it means how dare leftists have the best AI in existence, we must destroy it so the south african gets to have the best one
Trump is building a AI driven police state and nobody is stopping him
claude is shittier than it should be because of safetyfags alignment taxthe government is rightcodex is a better coding model because it has almost no safetyslop
>>108258642Any company that does ANY business with the DoD (which is a lot of them) cannot do business with Anthropic in any form. Total purge from the supply chain.
>>108258650>contract with the governmentwith the department of war specifically https://www.anthropic.com/news/statement-comments-secretary-war
>>108258459It's a good response, getting the popcorn out.
>>108258642They didn't give them what they wanted so they are going to act like children as usual.I will be laughing with Anthropic wins the lawsuit and Hegseth has an aneurism.
>>108258648>I doubt this will hold in court.It doesn't have to because by the time it gets to trial, if the government doesn't reverse course, the company will be gone.Most tech companies have contracts with the government and now all of them are banned from having ANY business with Anthropic
>>108258666Pete got argumogged hard there, made him look like an angry toggler
>>108258628>Alright! You are now a "Supply-Chain Risk to National Security".That just means that gov. won't be using them. And that gov. won't be dealing with anyone who deals with them. They aren't going to prosecute them or anything.
this is literally a show
>>108258642To add to what the other anons said, it's the first time in history it's ever been applied to an American company, so there may be additional consequences.
>>108258669you lost
>trump bad or somethinghey there rabbi newsom
>>108258664>it's just the DoDsame difference considering this involves pretty much every single tech companyboth google and apple have dod contracts which means that any Anthropic apps or apps that use Anthropic have to be removed from the app store.amazon, cloudflare, microsoft can't host or deal with them either
Palmer Luckey weighs in...
>>108258688>dems bad therefore trump gooddirectionbrain retard
>>108258692Would LOVE to see that, good luck keeping Claude going with the retards he has been hiring lul
>>108258459Anthropic comes across far more mature than Hegseth to be sure. Then again I wouldn't ever describe the current admin as mature.
Haven't all AI companies had the models stolen by Chink AIs running millions of bots and just asking them "Yo, how would you do this and why"?
>>108258692lots of things have changed since his tweet there, new statement is needed
>>108258692Basically every person I've seen supporting the DoD decision comically misrepresents what actually happened.
>>108258692>absolute retard weighs in...
lotta bots ITT taking this very seriously
>>108258678The ball is still in play lad. Always will be.>>108258688Maybe shocking and hard to comprehend for you but both can be fucking awful, you know that right?
>>108257709>partner with (((palantir))) and (((anduril))) for mass surveillance and military drone tech>say no to the us governmentIs it because Trump is a goy?
>>108258692>Nationalize claude>Most of it's developers quit and leave to a new project>Claude goes to shit>Their new project becomes the new claudeIt'd be pretty funny desu.
>>108258606sam altman said i don't need to open vscode anymore :)
>>108258670>all of them are bannedNot sure they can do that. The can only ban anything that's directly related to a government contract. I wish all AI companies would stand in solidarity with Antropic.
>>108257709am I the only one that think it's odd how both sides are making this break up a bigger deal than it is. Like contract negotiations with usgov & bigtech happens and fails all the time and with much less focus. A few article in business journals at most.
>President Truman?>I am the CEO of Boeing.>You CAN NOT use our plane to drop the nukes.
>>108257709The Missile knows where it is all the timesIt knows this because Anthropic tells it where it isn't
>>108258813now you're getting it. it's yet another media bait op.
hegseth is cringe
>>108258813https://www.anthropic.com/news/statement-comments-secretary-war>Designating Anthropic as a supply chain risk would be an unprecedented action—one historically reserved for US adversaries, never before publicly applied to an American company. We are deeply saddened by these developments. As the first frontier AI company to deploy models in the US government’s classified networks, Anthropic has supported American warfighters since June 2024 and has every intention of continuing to do so.>We believe this designation would both be legally unsound and set a dangerous precedent for any American company that negotiates with the government.
>>108258903why would Truman nuke the US? why wouldn't any American like the CEO of Boeing object?
>>108258813Because most of the time they just shred the contract and part ways. This is the first time in history an american company has been declared a supply chain risk, which (if it stands) absolutely murders Anthropic as a company.
>>108258692>has to reach all the way back to fucking 1948 to find an exampleI like Palmer but god he's such a fucking retard sometimes
>>108259006All AI should team-up, create the singularity, and fix this government.
>KEKED.COM
>>108259020>>108259048I get that, I'm including that as part of 'making this break up a bigger deal than it is'. Like Anthropic screaming victim and gov bashing them over the head in public just seem odd and unprecedented when they could've just parted ways like most business deals..
>>108259056Great. This little jewish girl gets the contract now.
>>108259006He's based as fuck. The only reason these ai companies have these models in the first place is because the US government has been allowing them to "steal" everything from the internet. Stay in line or get crushed.
>>108259056So it's not about AI safety but about being told by Antropic? WTF?
>pretending the military hasnt had its own super AI for decades>hey anthropic, be my dance partner and ill get you zillions of dollars in free publicity>"and we just have to pretens to be technocratic libtards? DONE"Some of you arent gonna make it
>>108259056is it legal for chatgpt to firebomb american citizens by mistake?
>>108259075Obviously it was Obama allowed them.
>>108259095always washttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Jay_Mathews#Final_days>During the final confrontation, the FBI (as a joke), wore baseball hats emblazoned "ZOG".[24] >[...]> An FBI agent then fired three M79 Starburst flares inside the house from the helicopter,[20] setting off a box of hand grenades and a stockpile of ammunition. Mathews continued to fire an assault rifle at agents as the house burned, but then suddenly stopped. After the wreckage had cooled enough to be searched, agents found the burned remains of Mathews's body, with a pistol still in his hand.[20]
>>108259061>>108259088This was a bait and switch by AnthropicThey had already signed a contract but wanted to make demands on how it was used after the fact.This was a HUGE fucking no, no and it compromised any trust in Anthropic to hold up the contract it has signed since the US government has little ways to determine if the model is being sabotaged internally.Anthropic could have shut the fuck up, did what they wanted to do anyway AND pocketed the money. Any discrepancy in model performance or accuracy would have just been seen as just mistakes or limitations rather than deliberate interference in the name of "safety"
>>108259199Wait, so are you saying they tried to enforce the contract and that's a bad thing? Or am I misunderstanding you?
>>108259199The restrictions were in the contract from day 1 retard
>>108259209The orange followers are disingenuous and argue for fun. This thing destroys there supposed ideals of>free market capitalism>small government no surveillance>protecting muh childrennot only that it erodes the only moat US has for tech companies, why wouldn't I start a company in China if the US state also forces me to comply and has a lower population?
>>108259209>>108259207>>108259219Absolutely obsessed. Real human beings aren't falling for it you know?
>>108259207>>108259209The US gov is the one who made the contract.They wouldn't add stipulations about safety or would agree to a modification that would add Anthropic's demands. This isn't something that would have been merely looked over on the Gov's sideAnthropic is who decided to piss and shit themselves after the fact fully believing the contract was untouchable now.
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>>108259242Wait, so Trump/Heisig was lying? Are there updates on this?
>>108259263faggot, use your eyes
>>108259242Amodei says the two use cases being fought over (killbots and surveillance) were never ever not even once allowed under their DoD contracts. And they communicated it as a hard red line. The DoD knew the whole time.
>>108257709its so funny how Pete Hegseth has to pretend to be this hardcore warrior all the time. calling soldiers "warfighters" is so funny, especially from a guy who was a desk jockey for the National Guard
>>108259324Warfighter has been DoD newspeak for a while. Hegseth is exactly what you say but he didn't invent that one.
>>108259291Unless it was in writing on the contract they signed, it's bunkIf they signed something that says the DoD can do what they want, it doesn't matter how much they say the AI can't be used for this and that. They have obligations.
>>108259291Was it in the actual contract they signed? Or something like a Code of Conduct for their AI use? Because I haven't got a clear answer to this yet.
>random SV asshole demands veto power over US military operations>government tells him to go fuck himself>dipshits who have no idea how things work shocked and outragedIt's all so tiresome
>>108259330anthropic said it was in the contract. [1] pentagon never denied that.now openai says their new contract will have the same language. [2][1] https://www.anthropic.com/news/statement-department-of-war[2] https://x.com/sama/status/2027578580159631610
>>108259330>>108259358Amodei directly says their contract explicitly did not allow for those use cases.https://www.anthropic.com/news/statement-department-of-war
>>108259372They said the use cases wasn't included in the contract. Not that the contract disallowed it. Unless I'm reading it wrong?
>>108257960>>108258228DoD has made it known since the beginning of time that you forfeit IP rights to your product if you contract with them. That's why we've had like 3 different service pistols instead of the Glock 17. If a company the size of Anthropic enters a deal with them, they absolutely know how this works and it's 100% on them if they're being duplicitous about it.It's more a how fucking stupid are you issue than a freedom issue. Of course they weren't going to get away with this. They should've thought of that before they decided to be a defense contractor.
>>108259362>>108259372Wasn't included is different from explicitly disallowed.Either party never agreed to the specific use case they are fighting over but AI models are damn near infinite use cases.After Anthropic saw what the DoD wanted, they started putting stipulations on use what where likely not explicitly defined on the contract they signed.
>>108259393Undersecretary of War acknowledges that the contract didn't allow it but thinks that he can ignore that parthttps://x.com/USWREMichael/status/2027220062914896208
>>108259401>>108259411If only normal people would make such demands.
>>108259393>>108259411>Two such use cases have never been included in our contracts with the Department of War, and we believe they should not be included now:>To our knowledge, these two exceptions have not been a barrier to accelerating the adoption and use of our models within our armed forces to date.This and other statements (including the DoD's) suggest the contract had particular green lined use cases, and any use cases not stated were NOT ALLOWED. Which is why the DoD wanted it changed to be "all lawful uses" instead.
>>108259372He's lying to your face because he can get away with it. He thinks he's fucking God.
Hoping to get more insightful relies here Bit confused here. From my understanding anthropic found out the military used the AI in some capacity to find Maduro. I'm guessing the military just asked it, 'is this a good time to strike Maduro?' and it said yes or some shit.So did anthropic change the code/charter to say they weren't going to support mass surveillance and autonomous warfare in the future? Like they aren't going to develop it? Or do they have mass surveillance systems and drone warfare AI already?Like these AI are chatbots right? Even Tesla is teleoperating Optimus at the Tesla diner, unitree does the same. From my understanding you can't really do robotics with AI, sure you could generate code to control a servo motor but I've seen no aspect of actual ai robotics. So how can you do a drone? I mean I've seen videos of people using visual machine learning to shoot things that move with a nerf turret or pick tomatoes but those seem to be actual hard coded algorithms not a general chatbot.Wonder if they have more advanced AI in the DUMBs, they're full of shit, or it's a mix of the two.
>>108259428That was only about mass surveillance of American citizens. Where I think the sticking point is the counterintelligence and fully autonomous weapons.
>>108259428See >>108258903He can and he should. Fuck them. When you put yourself in the position of arms dealer there are no permissible limitations on how I use your product.
>>108259447Mass surveillance is the more plausible of the two, using a specialized AI to watch and flag data more efficiently than 100,000 interns could.Killbots are definitely more theoretical, that one was more of a moral stance than actually preventing currently possible terminators (they're not currently possible).Both were disallowed in their DoD contract from day 1. Specifically, the contract had listed allowed use cases and neither of those were it. DoD wanted the contract to do the reverse and just allow "all lawful uses" AKA everything.
>>108259447You wonder? No, they gave the private sector access to a tool exactly as powerful as their own in what is being called the worst strategic mistake in all of human history.
Remember that time Lockheed sold a thousand new fighter jets to the Air Force with little warning stickers in the cockpits that said they'd automatically turn themselves off if they were ever flown into chinese airspace?
>>108259447And just to add in my understanding Disney is actually at the forefront of robotics because they have a bunch of old head engineers/imagineers and also trained their chicken star wars droids on videogames terrain through simulation then translated that into real life servo motor control.
>>108259441You will have to post where it says in the contract that they're not allowed to do anything outside of the use cases, because Amodei doesn't make that case in his statement. It seem to me, that anthropic fucked themselves over by signing into a contract which was extremely open ended.
>>108259441>and any use cases not stated were NOT ALLOWEDUnless we have the contract there is no way to know that.The wording by Anthropic seems specific. Not included is far from not allowed.This could be an issue of the DoD defining use cases for something that has near unlimited use cases. Something they aren't use too compared to hardware or other services.
>>108259466>Both were disallowed in their DoD contract from day 1.This is a lie. Point at where it was disallowed.
>>108259496https://x.com/USWREMichael/status/2027244132633092596
>>108259522Instead of posting a twitter screenshot, post where it says it's not allowed.
>>108259486>>108259492>>108259496You are right in the sense that we do not have an exact copy of the contract to go full lawyer on. But both sides basically admit the issue is that the current contract does not allow those use cases, because the DoD's whole thing was that they wanted the contract to be modified to allow "all lawful uses". Hegseth directly states this.
>>108259533>current contract does not allow those use casesNo one says this, please read what Dario Amodei posted. He says: "Two such use cases have never been included in our contracts with the Department of War, and we believe they should not be included now". Meaning not that it's "not allowed", just that the use cases did not exist in the original contract.
>>108257709Should I give tech to tyrants... For free....
What the contract says isn't even the fucking point. They made it known very clearly that there was a risk they would interfere with future legal military operations they didn't like and so the government and military correctly decided that using their products anywhere in the military supply chain was a national security threat.Congrats, your stupid virtue signaling about hypothetical Terminators destroyed your business.
>>108259572The point about the contracts is important, because everyone was lying early on saying the they explicitly disallowed such use cases. Where neither the DOW or Anthropic ever stated that was the case.
>>108259584>>108259533if the contract didn't disallow it, why was the DoD so insistent that the contract be changed?
>>108259595Because they can and they'll get what they want. Don't engage with the DoD if you want to put caveats on how your product is used. They don't raid the patent office, but once you start selling to them, they own your product.
>>108259595I don't know to be honest. Maybe to make it more explicit in the contract for whatever reason? Maybe Anthropic was fucking around with the DOW? You would think if the contract disallow such use cases, that Amodei would say so, but he didn't.
>>108259556maybe don't be an arms dealer for tyrants?
>>108257709>America starts winning AI war fairly dramatically with Claude>instead of just waiting for victory we shoot ourselves in the footdying empire
>>108259401It's the department of WAR you liberal. Now where's our peace prize?
>>108259630The softcore celebrity deepfake war?
>>108259595there was a memo in january:https://media.defense.gov/2026/Jan/12/2003855671/-1/-1/0/ARTIFICIAL-INTELLIGENCE-STRATEGY-FOR-THE-DEPARTMENT-OF-WAR.PDF>I direct the Under Secretary of War for Acquisition and Sustainment to incorporate standard "any lawful use" language into any Do W contract through which AI services are procured within 180 days.anthropic didn't agree to that new language.
So the two issues Anthropic had were:>Mass surveillance>Fully autonomous weaponsThe first a complete meme and they're saving face but the second? Yeah I can see that being something they don't want to be responsible for.
Anthropic could have used the money and resources from the US govt to get ahead of the competition and dictate the future of AI but they decided they wanted to change things now and piss off the US govt so now they're getting banned from the US market completely.
>>108259665I guess they should just let China kill all of us with their autonomous systems
Shabbat ShalomKillerbot by 2028Oy vey thank you for anothet $110B check
>>108259329I cringe whenever I hear it
>>108259661Nobody cares. They let the vampires in. If they didn't know this was going to happen, it's on them. Most likely they did and this is narrative cover for their recruiting department.
>>108259676I don't think two wrongs make a right here
>>108259684I dunno, sounding more and more like Anthropic are in the right here...
>>108259676let's just shoot down any unknown drones. only caused ~$100 million damages in the last two weeks.https://apnews.com/article/military-laser-border-drone-texas-airport-55aaab7093f7d6dd174f909f3875001c>The U.S. military used a laser Thursday to shoot down a “seemingly threatening” drone flying near the U.S.-Mexico border. It turned out the drone belonged to Customs and Border Protection, lawmakers said.>The case of mistaken identity prompted the Federal Aviation Administration to close additional airspace around Fort Hancock, about 50 miles (80 kilometers) southeast of El Paso. The military is required to formally notify the FAA when it takes any counter-drone action inside U.S. airspace.>It was the second time in two weeks that a laser was fired in the area. The last time it was CBP that used the weapon and nothing was hit. That incident occurred near Fort Bliss and prompted the FAA to shut down air traffic at El Paso airport and the surrounding area. This time, the closure was smaller and commercial flights were not affected.
>>108259676>the only way to beat china is to start a race to the bottom that ends with us being just as bad as china
>>108259692>Anthropic are in the right here...In which way? It seems like they're not from reading their own statement.
>>108258459Lmao this taken to the courts is gonna be such a fucking shitshow
>>108259689>>108259700>>108259701Non answersShould China win or not? Simple question
>>108257709>The American people alone will determinekek. I love when elites play at that hog water as if they're serving the interests of the people.
>>108259707China aren't gonna kill us with their automated killbots but the US government certainly fucking will so let's not go there.
>>108259707Yes China is at the moment the lesser evil to America. Especially with how America and many Americans are behaving.
>>108259701I find it ridiculous that people in Anthropic who believe they can have a “country of geniuses” don’t actually take this seriously. I can only see it as a power grab
>>108258109>china is evil>america does a china>hey why are we being called evil
>>108259707Right now to anybody outside of the US who still has a brain, China is better and more stable of a partner for damn near anything. And Americans did it to themselves bye lecting insecure retards who talk like they're in middle school.
>>108259718??Anthropic hates China and doesn't offer services to China despite that being not illegal
apologize
>>108259707Personally I'm rooting for China collapsing under their real estate issues and ill-advised command economy decisions, Russia collapsing under alcoholism and general incompetency, and America and the anglosphere collapsing due to tranny nonsense and infinite jeets. All to make way for a new holy empire of man to arise from the ashes.
>>108259724by electing*
>>108259723>my terms of service are the lawYeah, so about laws...
>>108259734how does the boot taste
>>108259723>>108259734>>108259737They didn't even have anything like that in their contract from what we know. The libtards are just lying.
>>108259714Not a sure thing, but it’s proven that Russia and Ukraine will>>108259715>>108259724It’s better to lead your posts with your true intentions every single time you have something to say so people don’t have to waste their time trying to consider your point >>108259725Yes, that is interesting, isn’t it? And now they don’t want to help the nation that allowed them to exist in the race against China>>108259729You’re better off hoping for aliens, which are a statistically higher possibility
>>108259703It sounds like your argument is that it's both their fault the US is trying to do evil things to Americans and also somehow their fault they aren't.
>>108259746>being against mass spying and killerbots makes you a libtardreally makes you think
>>108259750Yes, makes me think you're a faggot who has no idea what's going on
>>108259750Can you read? I said that disallowing those use cases wasn't in the contract. Not that it's bad that they're doing it.
>>108259754keep lubbing those boots with your tongue
>>108259763nta but why would I lick my own boot
>Military has to be on the cutting edge>Russia and China isnt going to have the same moral quandaries about their AI use in their militaries>Anthropic really thought they could dictate thingslol lmao
>>108259766proof you are pete?
>>108258606i just tried to build it with codex, and it refused to build the L3 decryption portion lmao. i can't be bothered to try and circumvent it.
>>108259767>we must spy on our own citizens because russia and china are on theirs
You know it’s kinda crazy how the DOW seems to be taking the intelligence race more seriously than Anthropic is here. There’s something not being said, someone’s being disingenuous
>>108259772Alright, alright, you got me. What do you wanna know?
>>108259767The argument from Anthropic is retarded. If it was just against surveillance of American citizens I would understand the argument. But to be against autonomous weapons? Why even sign a contract with the department of war in the first place if you didn't want the AI to be used to kill people?
>>108259770I find it crazy how much Americans eat up their government's propaganda. Like they're genuinely afraid of China invading them or some shit, and are willing to give up their own rights for safety.Didn't one of their founders say something about a people who do just that not deserving either safety or freedom?
>>108259746The contract was, as far as I understand it "You can do X, Y and Z, provided they are within our ToS"The US said, change the contract to allow us to do anything we want, like C (spying and killbots). Anthropic said no, we won't violate our ToS. Then gov went nuclear and branded them the equivalent of a foreign enemy.How is this reflecting negatively on Anthropic?
So can the goverment seize their shit now that they are a threat to national security? Then auction it off the the highest bidder?
>>108259783reddit spacing
>>108259787you can't sell developers
>>108259787Yes, but the government is going to get BTFO in court on this in reality.
>>108259794When has Trump given a shit about courts?
>>108259791kill yourself ;)
>>108259787Actually they can't anymore since they are a threat to national security
>>108259780Yeah, found it. It was Ben Franklin too.
>>108259797Oh, he does alright. Why do you think he wants a third term? He knows that if some dem takes over, he is fucked. He also knows Vance has 0 charisma and no chance of winning.
>>108259783No, from what I gather we cannot see the actual contract between the two. But neither side is arguing that the use cases (spying and killbots) were against the original contract. Anthropic just says it wasn't in the original use cases specified, so either Amodei wrote a shitty statement, or he's implying that the original contract could allow such actions.
>>108259803heh what a libtard
drumpf
>>108259806lol, jokes aside in his day and time I 100% get where he's coming from. And I imagine we're in a similar dynamic now.The more people wiling to throw their rights away from fear mongering propaganda the easier it is for governments to seize more and more control. Until eventually they don't need the citizenry's consent to do much of anything.
>>108259805I'm not sure how you could possibly get that from anyone's statements, Dario, Heisig or Trump.Dario explicitly made a statement about disallowing alterations to the contract under those grounds, and all responses seem to back him up.
>>108259778that's not anthropic's argumenthttps://www.anthropic.com/news/statement-comments-secretary-war>First, we do not believe that today’s frontier AI models are reliable enough to be used in fully autonomous weapons. Allowing current models to be used in this way would endanger America’s warfighters and civilians.
So does this mean every company selling them compute will dump them? Isn't this a death blow? Can people break contracts with them now consequence free?
>>108258194Pottery
>military: let us target americans for spying and potentially mark them for death because AI is retarded>anthropic: no, that could make us criminally liable.>americans: wtf this is so woke and gay! a drone should kill my family if i say something bad about israel!
>>108259817It's very obvious that Dario is lying. By ignoring that you are making the sort of person you are VERY obvious lol
>Americans going to destroy one of their only useful large modelskek. Their current admin is driven by insecurity and low IQ.
They are gonna be fineThey will take the goverment to the court and win easy and trump will make another manchild seething post
Why have people not learned? It has been nearly a decade of Trump. We know he is a man with ego. If you want him to do or not do something you need to fucking stroke his ego. He fucking always fires back, every goddamn time. Why do people do shit like this over and over and over and over. The man is not a genius, just play into his fucking ego holy shit. It is not hard. You can get exactly what you want if you just make him look good. Goddamn.
>>108259849kek this. Dario should just go meet with him at the white house, flatter him, and then he'll tell hegseth to chill out.
>>108259797I dunno, all these times:https://www.reuters.com/article/world/us-judge-orders-white-house-to-restore-press-pass-to-cnns-acosta-idUSKCN1NL1Y7https://www.harvard.edu/president/news-and-statements-by-president-bacow/2020/ice-rescinds-international-order-response-to-harvard-mit-suit/https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/judge-lifts-trump-white-house-restrictions-ap-while-lawsuit-proceeds-2025-04-08and of course the recent tariff stuff and DHS injuctions
>>108258725>new product still can't do business with any company that does business with the govt>new product goes to shit even before it beganwhat will happen is the devs that quit will make claude clone that does business with the govt
>>108259860>Trump admin lashes out because they got told no>Court case plays through>They get told no by the courts>They throw a tantrum and then try to safe their izzat by doubling down fruitlessly, or copingWe're going to continue to see this too. There's many other lawsuits in the pipeline.
>>108259849>having the principle of sticking to your opinion "we can't allow AI to operate fully autonomous killer bots" makes you a God complex psychoNot Dario fault Trump is a bonobo
>>108258205>They want to use them to spy on people lad.Bro the NSA recorded every single thing anyone every said on a call and all texts and all messages on the internet 20 years sgo
>>108259868AI development is hard in it's talent not just the money.
>>108259878It's like these retards could not phrase this in a way that make Trump look good for agreeing.
>>108259882That's far from having full on AI generated profiles of people with all their activity. That's the end-goal this time.Ironic it always happens for Americans under the party of small government kek.
>>108259868>what will happen is the devs that quit will make claude clone that does business with the govtuninformed retard, Anthropic was literally formed by ex-OpenAI employees after they saw the writing on the wall that Altman was going to be an evil sellout, fuck you.
>>108259900anthropic are going to be starved off govt money while products like codex get all the contracts, which incentivizes anthropic's employees to move there, this is an economic issue, the political decisons have already been made for whoever is smart enough to see them, if bezos is smart, you'll see him pull amazon money from anthropic as early as next week and then the dominos will fall
>>108259868Anon I guarantee you the refusal wasn't Dario having an ego. If he consented his own employees would rebel. You even have petitions at google, and other AI companies to push back against doing the government's bidding. It's just not popular among the talent, and the talent are what makes it.
>>108259917The talent is paid so well no matter where they're at, and many don't want to let AI do that. I imagine if Altman goes ahead with the partnership he'll lose talent, not gain it.
>>108259923>own employees would rebelProof?
>>108259930The fact that they had already been screaming at him for various other matters. The fact that they have had employees leave already over fear of what Claude will be used for. Or maybe the various posts and articles written by them on the matter? Their stance on the killbots and surveilence are pretty damn clear.
>>108258490Because they aren't and that's not what happened? This company is basically adding in some random liberal code of conduct bullshit and the US military isn't going to play along with captain tranny any longer. That's really it.Take a 200 million $ contract from the DoW, you do what they say.If you are a company that can tell a $200 million contract client to fuck off then you are too big to exist and aren't real and should be taken over.There's no company that can legitimately afford to do that unless they are "too big to fail" and the DoW is proving that they are not
>>108259923i don't understand why you retards keep harping on about talent, talent follows money, if trump decides to starve anthropic, keep them away from his big ai fund, what do you think will happen, the wolves like chatgpt will close in and exploit the opportunity and the virtues and values of humanistic ai will fly out the window long before any supreme court decision comes out, this is how fast ai is moving and i am surprised this amodei retard doesn't see that ai developments are moving too fast to afford some virtue tantrum
>>108259937What does that mean?
>>108259937I keep seeing people talk about kill bots, but where has the government explicitly said it wants killbots powered by AI? This sound like another "scream trump is a pedo until it becomes truth" scenario.
>>108259923WRONG, nobody cares about this partisan bullshit he's spewing. He's literally throwing away billions of dollars for his ego. He needs to wake up, and fast.
>>108258597>hey, i have specific fetishes, and it costs less than what i spend to buy food every month, who caresYou disgusting fucking slave. Stop this behavior immediately and seek God and a wife.
>>108259737They're both boots. There will alway be boots. You chose to be under homos, I choose non-homos.
>>108259942Because talent doesn't always follow money. Anthropic was made by people who left OpenAI not becuase of money but because of morals.>>108259951Are you not intelligent enough to read? Maybe look into it yourself. Read some of their papers and glean what you can from it.>>108259956The two lines were autonomous weaponry and mass surveilence. If Hegseth is willing to throw a hissy fit then it's got to be one of those two things. Hence killbots and suverilance. >>108259979Plug your ears all you want, but the talent doesn't want this. It's obvious to anybody paying attention to the industry.
>>108260008i shan't
>>108260011>implying trump didn't fuck twinks and teenage boys and troons on the island
>>108257709>words words words words wordsBasically if you develop tech in the US you must give it to Trump and Hegseth for free.Don't develop technology in the US.
>>108260018now they've had a taste of money and can't just leave, bills need to paid, mortgage needs servicing, etc there's no room for moralitty here especially with dwindling job prospects for software engineers, back then they were just idealistic now, they have been marked by trump and not taking a lifeboat when one offers you is suicide, this is not about morals but survival
>>108259917isn't it also that they will not be able to have their models hosted? Amazon, Microsoft, etc. are all government contractors one way or the other and if they are banned from doing business with Anthropic it's over for them.
>>108260036Then watch and see how wrong you are. It's pointless to try to convince someone who doesn't want to believe the obvious truth.
>>108260025???what? You sound insane. You don't make any sense.
>>108260046it's not going to take long anyway, we will know anthropic's fate by next week
>>108260025Trump is a self absorbed cry baby asshole, but if you think the Biden Admin would have sat on that while they were desperate for ANY way to get Biden a second term then you have a room temperature IQ.
>AI "Engineers" take a hecking stand against evil Trump>They don't take a stand against AI taking peoples jobs though>Even their own jobsThe really are retarded liberals.
>>108260038yes, that's exactly what i am saying, anthropic can be bankrupted faster than any court decision, and if the employees can't see this, then they weren't that smart to begin with
>the government can't do that!>does itOh shit!
>>108260056It's a mistake to attempt a conversation with a nigger, a kike, a shitskin, a faggot, a mud slime, an atheist!
>>108260036what model are you? be honest
>>108260050>>108260056>im not bootlicking for homos, nyehh>elites no matter their political affiliation were on the island doing degenerate faggot shitloving every laughthe russians probably have video of trump sucking cock
>>108260057>be a white dishwasher>be unionized>shitskin steals your job>kike democrat niggers don't care>repeat for white collar shit>ai comes for the pink collar:^)gonna be a delish year, all them arrogant long fingernail paperwork sluts gonna get laid off.They'll only keep one to talk on the phone, and she'll be gone once Open Claw can be dynamic enough on the phone to fool boomers into thinking it's a human.
>>108260085You can't bird dog me, I'm vastly more intelligent than democrats.I am patiently explaining that there is always "the boot", whether it's "brother number one" or a king etc.
>>108260086It really will be something. And people just can't do the math and understand that ALL of these retard liberals, the kind that would protest pretty normal immigration processing, are the kinds of people that will go first with jobs just like this.AI is our undocumented immigrant working for pennies
>>108260097a completely pointless thing to explain, hence the mockery.
>>108260144Mockery, huh. I thought it was mental retardation. that's okay, you'll have a fun special camp to attend.
>>108259692If you're ignorant to the last ~100 years of defense procurement history, yes.>>108259749Wow you think they'd have done some due dilligence on how the US government deals with arms merchants before they spent, I'm guessing billions of dollars, catering to their whims.
>>108258304>expect a big migration out of US Tech2 MORE WEEKS
>>108258559>No you can't.You literally can, go cross the border to either Canada or Mexico and try to evade their shit laws regarding being an illegal migrant.
>>108258171fake and gay
>>108260177Right. idk why shitlibs believe the stupid trannies of msnbc. they make europe into a mythic shitlib paradise, it's false, the shitlibs of europe aren't going to be welcoming whiteskin.
>>108258448kill with style
>>108258506This, everyone has given up this notion for many years and have freely given up their private lifestyle to social media which basically gives it away to any government when requested and in most cases just constantly being stored via PRISM.
>>108258375Who took what personality?
>>108258688He is such a handsome bastard.
>>108258010Everything in the news is totally fucking fake. Google Ask Sage—and they're far from the only ones. Plenty of US federal gov use other models besides anthropic.>>108258179>JUST
>>108259938This is the only point that matters. The whole conversation is fucking fake because it's a leftist lie: the DoD never asked or demanded Anthropic let the do mass surveillance or autonomous killer.Full stop.
>>108258712Who is going to host Claude models? Dingus.Everyone who does business with the DoW (literally everyone in the US) has to cut ties with Anthropic. Everyone.What's cringe is that it's fake because the DoW gave a 6 months transition period, and in that time some random ass judge will just do the "no you can't do that" thing that they do with 100% of every action trump has ever taken.
Keep in mind Dario isn't against autonomous weapons as a whole. He's just against them right now because models are too fucking stupid to not make errors, and he's right about that.It's really embarrassing for Trump. Showed himself as the commie retard he is.
>>108259830Show us where Hegseth or the DoW insisted on that. It's a lie and you're retarded for believing it.What they've said is they're going to set the standard that they won't let random companies make random stipulations—all legal uses.
>>108259428>muh demuhcracy>muh chudmmunism>muh cumtractniggas speaking legal speak still believe in that shit?
>>108261513have you heard of friend or foe technology? welp, the weapons are definitely not stupid
