What's the point of VPNs, if the ISP knows I'm connecting to a VPN and the website knows I'm connecting to them via a VPN?
>>108271938Most people don't understand VPNs. They use them for vague notions of privacy or to bypass restrictions.
>>108271938A good vpn is expected to disassociate the users identity and their ip.
>>108271938Because your ISP doesn't know what website you visit and the website doesn't have your IP as a unique identifier (but may have others that can identify you depending on how you use the web).
>>108272054Your ISP knows you are hiding stuff. They know what VPN you are using at a given time. The website treats you as a bot.Privacy without stealth is useless.It's like everyone knows you are the one in the toilet and all the loud farting sounds are coming from you. But it's okay because you have privacy, they don't see you shitting.
>>108272114On top of all of these you are "trusting" your VPN provider with your identity.
>>108272114>But it's okay because you have privacy, they don't see you shitting.So when you're at a public toilet you just keep the door wide open?
>>108272143Oh yeah just focus on the analogy and make jokes.VPN is useless.
the glowies are not sending their best
>>108272114>Your ISP knows you are hiding stuff.Which isn't an issue in non authoritarian shitholes and the simple truth regarding authoritarianism is there are no technological solutions to it unless you count propelling a small projectile at high speeds as a technological solution.
>daily "guise stop using [thing] it's useless, just be good goys and use chrome without adblock okay" threadI sleep.
>>108272114>It's like everyone knows you are the one in the toilet and all the loud farting sounds are coming from you. But it's okay because you have privacy, they don't see you shitting.Nice false analogy.With a VPN everyone knows I'm at home, but nobody knows what the fuck I'm doing or where I'm doing it at.Maybe I'm jerking off in my room? Maybe I'm taking a shit? Maybe I'm asleep? Maybe I died in my sleep and am now a rotting corpse? Nobody knows, the door is locked, the windows are closed and I have walls not made out of glass.Yet here you are, arguing that having a house is worthless because people can see you going into it.I will not live in the pod, nor will I drop my VPN, shlomo.
1. You are trusting the VPN company with your information.2. The website you are visiting will spam you with captchas every 10 minutes. They know you are not normal.3. Your ISP too knows that "you are not normal" and they have the information of you connecting to a specific VPN brand at a specific time. You could be the only one in your town doing that at a given time.And you call all of this "having privacy."You've just became the black sheep on the internet plus the VPN company still knows your real IP and the sites you are visiting.
>>108272240So what you're saying is that we have to convince more people to use VPNs to make it the norm? Sounds good to me.
>>108271938>my ISP knows i am using a vpn, and my torrent tracker knows I'm connecting to it via a VPNwhy do you think this is not worth $2/m?
>>108272114>sending a letter in a closed envelope is useless because the mail office knows you're keeping secrets
>>108272350LOL NO. With HTTPS you already have the closed envelope, plus you have stuff like DNS-over-HTTPS / TLS, SecureDNS etc.Using VPN on top of these just screams that you are doing something suspicious.
Man, some threads are just depressingly sloppy.
>>108271938VPNs are puppeted by the feds, please understand.
>>108272049they log everything
>>108271938Real talk is it possible to use a VPN and Tor simultaneously?
>>108272382well suspicious activity and evidenced activity aren't the same thing, so it can scream all it likes, maybe I just want to research fringe politics without alerting intelligence agencies or look up treatments for an illness without informing insurers
>>108272666yes, but Tor is much more suspicious to your ISP than a VPN. as much as people itt go on about VPN looking suspicious, VPNs are at least somewhat used by normies. its almost a meme how much they get shilled on normie youtube channels. while Tor is the opposite of normie.there are arguments for VPN -> Tor and vice versa. if you want to hide Tor usage from your ISP, VPN -> Tor. If you want to hide your real IP from your VPN provider, Tor -> VPN. there's nothing illegal about using Tor in and of itself.
>>108273004gtk anon. Yeah my idea was using VPN -> Tor.God knows if VPN -> Tor -> VPN is possible though it'd make stuff incredibly hard to track,
>>108273061I've done VPN -> Tor with ProtonVPN which is free, works fine, aside from the occasional spotty Proton connection (probably due to being on the free tier). Never tried Tor -> VPN.
>>108271938the usecase for torrenting over a vpn is a very good onesome vpn providers have proven through third party audits and court cases that they don't have logs. that number is unfortunately shrinking and i believe in the future we will see vpns targeted more than they already have been
Remember when they caught that kid that mailed in bomb threat to his school or something using Tor because well they know he was on Tor and they know the bomb threat came from someone using Tor? It seems like most of /g/ is that kid lmaooooo
>>108271938I prefer my ISP knowing I'm connectning to a VPN instead of a niche fetish domain or wrongthink sites
>>108272623good vpn's are RAM only so nothing is permanently stored
>>108272114Plausible deniability.
>>108271938take away jewish profits by pirating mediasetup your own media server so your friends and family dont pay for jewish mediaundo the jew
>>108273509Good luck actually verifying that.
>>108273638>Undo the jew by paying for an unnecessary service
Using a VPN is a red flag.
VPNs are just a way to tie your web browsing to what ever credit card or bitcoin wallet you used to pay for it.
>>108274606This anon gets it
>>108272049Are these good VPNs with us right now?
proxy chains are more secure.
Privacy without stealth is useless.
>>108271938>What's the point of locking my door if the burglar knows my door is locked?Man.
>>108271938I'm from the UK, and I only use a VPN so I can watch porn. Unless there's something blocked in your country, using a VPN is useless.
>>108271938The point of a VPN is two things: bypassing georestrictions and concealing insecure forms of traffic (read: bittorrent) from your ISP who would otherwise send you angry letters.
>>108272054Nowadays, a VPN is essentially useless for web traffic because everything is behind cloudflare and people use DoH so they can't snoop DNS requests, meaning all your ISP could possibly know is "this guy sure is downloading a lot of data from cloudflare."You should frankly be more worried about cloudflare than your ISP.
>>108273061VPN -> tor -> VPN is probably no good latency-wise, you can't tunnel UDP over tor properly which would necessitate using TCP for the second VPN. Which is going to be unbearably slow. This is the same problem as torrenting over tor fundamentally.
>>108277410False analogy.>>108278009Isn't DPI circumvention enough?>>108278074"MUH PRIVACY" ads everywhere>>108278095DoH / DoT and DNSSEC won't give you privacy. You need encrypted sni (now called ech) but ech requires the website's server to adopt it. If the website hasn't set up ech then your browser is forced to send the sni in plain text.
>>108278245Would you mind explaining why you think it's a false analogy?
is op retarded? yes, they can see you're using a vpn. what they can't see is what you're doing in it.
>>108272114I'd rather hand my shit over to some random VPN company than let some gay ass isp show up and tell me that I cant do this or can't do that.
>>108271938>What's the point of Tor if relay A knows my address and relay B, relay B knows A and C, C knows B and the rendezvous, rendezvous knows C and D, D knows C and E, E knows D and F, and on top of that relay F knows E and the onion site address!? Completely useless!
>>108271938moron
>>108271938You got to the right answer, at least for people in places that don't have shitty internet censorship, but your reasoning is stupid.Yes your ISP knows that you are connecting to the VPN, but they don't know what websites or services you connect to, which is what people want to hid.However, you've only moved who knows that data from your ISP to some commercial VPN provider.That's fine if you trust your VPN provider more than your ISP, but, in a lot of cases, why would you?Might be different in other countries, but, in the EU, there is GDPR and the ISP theoretically can't do anything too shady with your data without being sued into oblivion.Obviously, this only addresses the privacy aspects, and there are other reasons like region lock, censorship, and sailing the high seas for VPNs.
>>108273279that makes zero fucking sense you retard
>>108272240>the VPN company still knows your real IP and the sites you are visitingAnd how useful is that information? Most ISPs use dynamic ip addresses, meaning all your vpn provider knows is that someone from the eastern part of this city is downloading a few gigabytes from watchnarutoonlineforfree.com. You basically broke your info into many small pieces and spread them widely. Some with your isp, some with the vpn provider, and some with the website you're visiting. Someone would have to collect it from those different source to get a picture, and most of us aren't important enough to warrant the effort.
>>108278274>>108278245So no then
>>108272240>1. You are trusting the VPN company with your information.Yeah, that's how consensual monetary transactions for digital services work.>2. The website you are visiting will spam you with captchas every 10 minutes. They know you are not normal.There's a cost-benefit ratio to every digital service.>3. Your ISP too knows that "you are not normal" and they have the information of you connecting to a specific VPN brand at a specific time. You could be the only one in your town doing that at a given time.This is incorrect. VPNs rent servers from data centers. An IP address can actually be shared by dozens of VPNs. The last part of your post is irrelevant.
>>108272199the fact that you are locked up makes it a red flag and now they know something is up.
