Ubuntu said they will comply with califorinia's age verification law
>>108287467I literally predicted this would happen.You all might as well switch to Void, now. Corporate backed distros will comply
This is not software fault nor the developer fault, people make this out to be the same thing like Discord.They're just doing what the government wants for X country/state, you cannot avoid it if you want your software to continue living there.
Serious question, what will compliance even mean? Is it just admin accounts ticking a checkmark and being responsible for their own users? Can't really see how its gonna be a remote thing.
>>108287555Yeah, but the real shame is people will keep using it
>>108287592As soon as every OS implements this layer (as an option), it will then be required to use a digital ID certificate instead of merely asking your age (as a requirement)
>>108287467If I was in their shoes, I would make a file is_verified at a known location like in /boot, so that they would officially comply with the law, but anyone could easily patch the ISO to avoid age verification.
>>108287467They have no choice. It is the law.
>>108287621In one state, not worldwide.
>>108287467canonical is based in califorinia so we all saw this one coming
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>>108287467Ebussy will stop this
What fucking kids are installing Ubuntu on their machines??? They all get ChromeOS or at fucking best macOS (some schools have Macbooks for their students). Its usually the former though. Its not even about the kids anyway. I was really looking forward to computing but now it just seems like a locked down platform.
This isn't so bad. It's like a mandatory parental control choice in the OS setup.When you visit an 18+ website you have to click "Yes" to are you 18 or above.This is pretty much the same thing, just automatically sending in a header or something that you're 18+. You're not sending them your driver's license or whatever with this like with Discord and Tinder.
>>108287467So will Mint have it too, for it's based on Ubuntu and main dev lives in a gulag country too?
>>108287643It won't just be one state.
>>108287467>hardware prices sky high>software getting locked down(((they))) really don't want you to own anything
>>108287612>they're secretly on my side as they clobber me with a club
>>108287643fool
>>108287699>actually, it's free as in you're free to comply
>>108287699yeah except this is just bullshit to get their foot in the door to implement that "blockchain identity" shit that people like andreesen were jerking off over on the jorgan pudcum
>>108287699The problem is that once this gets through they can easily change the law to require an ID and congressmen won't even understand what is being changed.
>>108287824link?
>>108287702pls no
>>108287467And that's a good thing.Children should not be allowed anywhere near a computer or smartphone.
>>108287702Most likely imo
>>108287948>this is about ageYou're either a fool or a Jew or both
>>108287592For now all that is legally required is a local age selection slider. Literally you say you are eighteen and you can use your computer. This is just the beginning though. Some day they will force you to go online and send your age to them. Then there will be actual ID verification
>>108287699How retarded and shortsighted are you that you dont think this is just the beginning before they slowly start to boil the frog and require more and more intrusive checks in the future. Its so fucking obvious and you shouldn't tolerate this even a little bit.
>>108288054The future of computing is heading to your local DMV, and pleading your use-case to some uppity obese melanin enriched woman.>WHACHU MEAN? WHACHU MEAN?
>>108287789>freedom as in they have free access to your asshole
>>108287467Just stop supporting california and they'll fold in a day
>>108288154uhhh i need to generate hentai ma'am
>>108288138It will be interesting if they keep going. Will they ban old computers and mesh networks?
"unconstitutional and unenforceable"They'll find a way."people won't agree to this"They will. They'll screech about it, until they realize screeching does nothing, and give up, and lick the boot."this is only an amerimutt problem"It's coming to the EU."muh tor vpns"They'll get banned.Regardless, you American fuckers need to start shooting politicians ASAP. Send your Adam Lanzas to shoot at politicians instead of children.
I guess they will have a version for paying corporate customers and another one for people (corporations are not people, fuck "legal fictions")?
>>108288262They don't find ways. The social engineers are pretty dumb. They just hope when their government jokers postulate that it has to be like this, that somehow someone will make it work.
Why not make a fork that doesn't have the...You know what, I dont know why I would even ask that. You linuxfags should obviously know that the answer is non compliance. Literally it wont hurt you.
kek everything downstream from poobuntu is cooked
>>108288526So... Mint and Ubuntu flavours.
I went to look at linux mint forums regarding this issue and there is a thread about it. In it there is poster (Massimiliano) that I think is an AI bot and half the thead is his own posts, literal walls of text of AI garbage. Mint is pozzed, I looked at that thread and immediately ruled mint out. Surely there will be a distro that won't fall for this shit.
Not my problem
>>108288526archads... we won?
>>108288262We have reached a tipping point where all but the most innocuous of websites need to know the age – not the identity – of their users to remain compliant with a tsunami of new legislation, including:Europe’s GDPR, Digital Services Act and Video Sharing Platform lawsAge Appropriate Design Codes in the UK, California and, coming soon, the EUChildren’s Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA) in the USAAustralia and the UK’s Online Safety ActsIndia’s Digital Personal Data Protection Act
>>108287699>You're not sending them your driver's license or whateverYet, they are getting the framework in place to just slip it in another inch then another inch rinse and repeat until they are balls deep in your ass and your happy about it.
>>108288526Why would you ever want to be downstream of that garbage fire. Better to be upstream.
>>108287467>I just have to use literally the worst operating system that works at all.Fine. Don't install gentoo. Stick another dildo up your ass and install Windows11.
>>108288604>>108288642i recognize that migrating to debian is kicking the can down the road but i support it
>>108288648Nah, Ubuntu has been a constant evil and hasn't been around as long as Debian, which has been pure from the beginning. It makes sense the titan would outlive its progeny.
>>108288648Not sure if you're following the debial-legal thread for this, but they're looking at either not doing it at all or just having it be a package the user can install or not. There's some idea on there that it might only really hold up to preinstalled OSes.
>>108288667>pure from the beginning.pure garbage.Sorry, pure sane-garbage.
>>108288684>just having it be a package the user can install or not.That's how literally every other OS component works so it would be very strange if that weren't the case.idk how else you could possibly do this.
>>108288604Debian is also implementing it
>>108287699>>108288138>>108288185>>108287854Or, you know, this is just yet another pointless posturing move by the Cali gov (like the cancer warning stickers on everything) so they can get a pat on the back for being brave and progressive and it stops here because they know as soon as they push it into actual ID checking there will be major pushback. This is about as much as they can get away with before actual privacy invasion. Newsom isn't that retarded enough to think he can get away with that.
>>108288744>source: I made it up xDDebian will never implement this
How are they going to enforce this for server variants? Especially the headless kind? They could ask for an age but it's retarded since every person who deploys a server is just going to mash the num pad and hit enter.
>>108288731Not mandatory though, assuming you trust the OP pic. I personally have no clue how mandatory it is going to be in Ubuntu or implementation details, nor do I care.
>>108288780>Not mandatory though,How the fuck are you supposed to have a mandatory component in what is essentially A TOOLKIT OF COMPONENTS FOR DEVELOPING AN OS YOURSELF?Tell me please how the fuck that is supposed to work?
>>108288758They will
>>108288760>going to mash the num pad and hit enter.If I had to mash shit and hit enter during an ansible playbook we'd be switching distros faster than you could blink.Well no it would be next planning cycle approximately three sprints after we dequeue the ticket because some junior can do it but that's pretty fast around here.
>>108288857It could be just added to the deployment script to enter an age of 65535. Either way I can see it causing a lot of problems.
>>108288818No clue, but, like I said, the only info I have for Ubuntu is the pic in OP.I suppose if you wanted to you could patch the kernel to do some checks that would be time consuming and/or painful to circumvent without just swapping out your kernel.I don't think you could stop people from simply installing from the server ISO and just installing a DE or compiling a kernel themselves, but the average user, who this is presumably targeting, won't do any of that.
>>108288054>you say you are eighteen and you can use your computer.So kids aren't allowed to use a Linux desktop and play some SuperTuxKart?They must use a phone with internet access and a camera and social media filled with pedophiles telling them to troon out?
>>108288054this can only happen if you're a pussy
>>108288628Could it work in my benefit?Could I fake my age and pretend to be 12 so they can't send me ads?I'm not interested in social media and will never pay for porn so what's the downside of pretending to be underage on the modern internet?
>>108287643It will be at least 10 states soon after
We're steadily moving towards a future where your "personal computer" is a dumb terminal with a monthly subscription package tied to your real identity for cloud compute power and storage.
>>108287467Leftie oriented OS listening to leftie oriented Government. Sad!
>>108288942Liberal progressivism is not leftism, and neither is authoritarian state-mandated surveillance. Retard
>>108289067Both those things are what leftists fight tooth and nail to enact, though. Throw in mass nonwhite immigration and you have the whole leftist package.
>>108289067no point arguing with a left/right drone
>>108289067Who cares, they're all commies and deserve the rope
>>108289067>here, allow me to demonstrate my superiority by disapproving of your definitions
If my distro of choice makes this mandatory, I'll just migrate to a different one.
>>108288054>integer field>legally mandated to be a slider
>>108287699just fuck off
>>108287467Ubuntu has been shit for at least 15 years what are you even doing?
>>108287699I wonder if this will fall in line with systemd's lennarts project Amutable?>Amutable focuses on "determinism and verifiable integrity" in Linux systems.
>>108287467How does "mandatory" work? It's Linux, you can boot a USB stick and fuck around with it as necessary.
Ucuntu?
>>108289251>legally mandated sliderFind the legislator responsible for that and make him fill out a form that has a phone number slider.
>>108287699>AgeVerification1What, are they planning sequels?
I mean, stuff like this is completely unenforceable with open source OSeseven if every mainstream distro bends the knee just switch to the fork someone will make that is exactly the same but with that shit removed
>>108287699Honestly this whole thing reminds me of back when IRC servers relied on identd responses to implement bans.
>>108287699New XML interface… in 2026… holy shit.They’re practically wetting themselves with excitement to implement this.
>>108288835My dad works at Debian and I can tel l you that they probably won't.
>>108288578First thing I found on the subject:https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=464956
>>108289587>My dad works at Debian and I can tel l you that they probably won't.your dads a lesbian?
>>108289685Yes, but a gay lesbian.
>>108289438Apparently they’ve been planning it for a long time.I now see where they were going with dbus and systemd.I guess they feel now is the time to strike, that they’ve achieved “critical mass”, like invading lebanon. They’re going for it.
>>108289587They will, for sure. They cucked with systemd too.
>>108287467reminder that 4chan successfully cucks United Kangdom over age verification herethey literally can't do shit about the site because they are afraid of political backlash from banning it
>>108287699you're absolutely right. the bill is a nothingburger. it won't stop the schizos from seething though.
Easily circumvented, for any distro: just add it as an optional feature on OS install: 'Would you like to install AgeVerificationTools' coupled with a eula where it states that in some parts of the world this is required by lawThen just click NOAs an OS you've done your job: you've included Age verification tools. It's not your fault user clicks no
We have had digital ids for 20 years. In the near future you can't access the internet without plugging in the card. Truth is antithetical to the communist ideology which is why they want to stop the free flow of information.
>>108287467>Ubuntu said they will comply with califorinia's age verification lawCanonical are fucking retarded and don't understand the nature of the law. Per the nature of the law, anyone interacting with the system needs to age verify. Meaning everyone who ever interacts with the software means to age verify. Meaning anyone who does anything needs to age verify any time they land on a different system or transition between or within a network. The average person on the internet, per this law, needs to age verify 500+ times every 5 minutes.
>>108289814anon americans don't even have fucking EMV debit cards yet and still use mag stripe for Visa, do you really expect them to understand actual smart cards
The German passport can do age verification over RFID on any smartphone without revealing any information other than older than a certain date or not.
>>108287539>Voiduses dbus too
>>108289871Yes, there is no escaping it long term, but Void doesn't have a corporate sponsor
>>108288936how do we stop this
>>108289855Actually I just found out this week that I could tap my card at some stores. It's like magic
>>108287555you can tell the government off and sue them. all tech companies should sue but they are going along because they want this.
>>108289814BE passport > last time I got a new one I had my fingerprints taken..
>>108287660Where do you think a lot of those trannies live? Commiefornia is degeneracy mecca.
>>108287555literally just shoot them, it's that simple.Fucking americans living in a country with guns and never fucking using them to kill tyrants, only school children.Retarded shit.
>>108287699it kind of relieves my stress when i think this way, which is a sure sign that it's wrong and i should keep being against this and keep letting it ruin my dayit's just another reminder that if i want to live in a way that respects my freedom i cant have all the latest toys and enjoy all the conveniences available. yeah i probably will be slinking down into a more obscure way of using my computer, again, as i kinda always have anyway. it makes me angry but giving in and trying to live how they want and use what they want would make me even angrier
>>108289814this is CAPITALISM you fucking retard.The rich are writing these laws, microsoft is benefiting from this shit.How are you such a mouthbreathing fat american piece of shit on the ground that you cannot ever recognize the problem. Everything is "the gommies", literaly CIA shitbrain, use that gun of yours for something good and shoot yourself.
>>108287467So, this is the culmination of decades of feminist fear-mongering and CSI-style special victims unit shows. You'll have no rights because somehow the children will be hurt, but also to hell with children since they'll be arrested too if they happen to input the wrong prompt to chatgpt. Meanwhile elites will continue to do whatever they please, literally.
>>108290091he thinks neoliberalism is communism, hes a well-meaning retard
>>108290107this.The media has been preparing the population for this for decades. They likely intentionally planned to push this all through after the release of the epstein files, to capitalize on public fear.
>>108290091>capitalism is when nanny statism
>>108290135Let's compromise and say the current state is capitalist-communist.
>>108289922Sue.https://netchoice.org/
Remember when the internet used to fight stupid laws like SOPA and PIPA?
>>108290162>it's A and Zhow about just saying that statism is shit?
>>108290192The joke is that the left say the state is capitalist and the right say the state is communist.By design, it seems. But who could possibly benefit from this?
>>108290211the mafia?
>>108287555> Nooo don't be mad at us! it's not our fault we are just complying!Why is everything so binary with people. You can be mad at the government AND the corporations that do their bidding.
>>108290080> only school childrenDo you have a way to convince trannies to shoot up corporations?
>>108289403I'd prefer a wheel tho.
>>108290273100% all trans shootings are feds.Trans community has more political radicals than most demographics out there. If they were going to kill people it would be CEOs and politicians. Every "trans shooting" has either been a detransed nazi or a fed plot.
>>108287643We have one world government.
>>108290313For websites needing age verification, DO THAT. Zoomers will click the numbers, scratch their heads over why nothing is happening, and eventually give up.
>>108290091Yeah it was the friendly beanie wearing barista who puts smiley faces on coffee cups that put people in gulags
>>108287467Why are you surprised? Linux has been infected by the woke mind virus.
>>108290391troon detected
>>108288262The only hope is the courts. They're the only branch of government that still functions properly. There could be a 4th ammendment case in this.
>>108288185They won't need to. Banning actively maintained operating systems from existing without age verification will be enough. Old systems will be grandfathered, but will naturally lose support and compatibility with modern standards over time. Sure, you'll be able to use an old Ubuntu desktop in 2036, but how much utility will it have? You'll have to do without a lot of stuff that people on current systems take for granted, and a lot of stuff that works now won't work anymore. This, combined with lack of availability will get most of the marketshare on to new verified operating systems.That is of course not factoring in any small scale non-verified distros, which I'm almost certain will exist. I'm sure some schizo somewhere will maintain a non-age verified version of his favorite distro, and host it anonymously for people to use. And since the mainline distro maintainers are only doing this out of legal obligation, they'd only do the bare minimum, and wouldn't bother trying to hinder forks in any way.
>>108287467do not buy an ad, faggot, kys
>>108290091communism is when i dont like something. owned with facts and logic libtard
>>108290091Its government in general. Any sufficiently large bureaucratic regime is going to become corrupt and do everything within its power to expand and enrich itself and its members, usually at the expense of its citizens. This is true of both communist and capitalist states.
>>108290428based
>>108287699>Ah yes I am slipping but there is no way I'll end up at the bottom of slope
