you will verify your age when installing a linux distro
>>108290114No, nigger.
>>108290114You are a pedo of you don't coooonfirm your age.
>>108290114No, I won't. I will remove the component. At worst, I'll give up and show it an old man NPC in gmod for age estimation.
>>108290114They release bullshit age verification.someone get rid of that code and upload the iso so anyone else can install it.I dont know what those idiots in congress think is gonna happen.
I honestly think politicians are going to start dying, soon.
>>108291083>We're gonna win so much, you may even get tired of winning. And you'll say, "Please, please. It's too much winning. We can't take it anymore, Mr. President, it's too much." And I'll say, "No it isn't. We have to keep winning. We have to win more!"Are you tired of winning, son?
>>108290114Do these states even have some uniform API or system for age verification? The distros can't implement shit without it.
I mean if the linux / foss community can come up with a good method that's privacy friendly then it will probably be the best way I'd sooner trust them than some private corpo or government.However, I don't see how they do this without verifying against some government ID platform or something. Age verification is just unworkable on the internet.
>>108291112I voted for this
>>108291115for now the California law is just a self a declaration of age without verification. i think it might be different in Brazil's d Colorado though.
>>108291056You are missing the forest behind the trees. In 10 years they say that OS-level age verification is ineffective because people can install a custom OS, so the next logical step is to prevent it on the hardware level. It will be the same as phones without jailbreak. Not talking about that even the current implementation would cover 90% of the population.
>>108291113The reason for this law is that Apple has already made the API and they want all competing OSes to support something similar, so that Apple can say they were forced against their will to allow porn and gun sites use it. If it also encourages jurisdictions to ban open source OSes then that's a nice bonus for them.https://developer.apple.com/wallet/get-started-with-verify-with-wallet/>Apps that require age or identity verification can use the Verify with Wallet API to quickly and securely verify a person’s information using their ID stored in Apple Wallet.
>>108291243how would verification (as opposed to self - declaration) even work on an open source OS? doesnt it need a proprietary blob (like Widevine for DRM) and/or remote attestation ("this is an unmodified version of Ubuntu 28.04 Kosher Edition")
There will be id free by default distros like there are systemd free distros and like how gnu has distros that use zero proprietary code.The type of people that develop and use non mainstream operating systems are also the type of people who are almost always 100% anit authoritarian.
>>108290463then you will fail all captchas and be locked out of the internet :^)no more news websites, youtube, etc. you'll be unable to view any funny postcards anyone sends you. and no signal, telegram, teams, whatsapp, discord, etc.
>>108291319Open source OSes will be allowed to tell apps and sites that they are just relying on self-declaration, and those apps and sites will have to make a decision about whether there is significant risk of children trying to get around age verification by installing such OSes and lying. Eventually there'll be a court case or an unannounced change to the regulations and all apps and sites will suddenly start blocking every OS that doesn't use a TPM for verification.
>>108290114why not just say in the tos that users from thoses states are not allowed to use the product, knowing that those users will use the product no matter what?
>>108291605That's just more ammunition for the Big Tech lobbyists who will say that ISPs need to do Remote Attestation checks on any device that tries to go online. If kids are found to be using Unregulated operating systems like Arch Linux then it will be easy to pass such laws for their safety.
who's gonna patch this into temple
>>108290114why cant these spineless fuckwads ever go "sorry, due your shitty laws, our distro is not available in your location"
>>108291705>>108291649
>>108290114God I hate boomer politicianiggers.Why do they need CONTROL at all costs.Couldn’t they just, you know, leave us alone?
They know no one buys the "think of the children" shit. They just don't care.
>>108291903Please cool it with the antisemitism.
>>108290114How about no. Big control freak really has been pushing their bullshit recently.
>>108291903>>108291906surely the problem is just the politicians and there's no way that these laws would actually be popular with actual parents and prudish boomers i.e. the people who actually bother to turn out and vote, right?
>>108290114They should just tell him to eat shit and not do it
>>108290114Less kids using the Internet is a good thing.
>>108291362oh no... anyway
>>108291115The problem is the FOSS "community" in general is against any type of verification or trust no matter how benign or secure.Of course, then they have the audacity to complain about being treated as bots they moment they do something online.Honesty the easiest way to locally verify age is quite literally just scanning the ID. Most all have barcodes with all the same info as what's printed.This is the exact same scrutiny given for 18+ purchases and can be easily and securely implemented.
I'm putting in 31/12/1969.
>a dozen threads about this>hundreds of postsYet no suggestion for an alternative OS to Ubuntu
>>108292720Kids will find a way. We did back when we were young after all.
take the i2p and BSD pill anon
>>108295052I have many GBs of IDs of femoids from that one time the femoid platform got hacked.
>>108295221Cheers anon
>>108290114As far as I know, there are two methods of installing a Linux distro: offline and online. Age verification may work if the user installs the Linux package online, but offline, it doesn't. The entire installation process is done locally without sending any user data.
>>108290114>are you over 18? (y/n, default: y):
>>108291115the """oss""" (*spit*) community can come up with a less shit init system, yet redcorp and M$pottering managed to gently nudge everythingD up every distro's butthole so we get to enjoy linux getting more windowsified by the year
>>108290114The fact that this is even considered is ridiculous.
>>108295151>Kids will find a way.You forget Gen Alpha and beyond are retarded.>We did back when we were young after all.Less of a clone world back then.
>>108295735Doesn't account for the temporal nature of age
>>108295402How do you hack something that never leaves the PC?You can literally just read the barcode to get the DOBGas stations and other places that scan an ID aren't contacting a database they are literally just reading the data on the cardTrivial to bypass but it's the same exact muster given for age verification anywhere else.
>>108295877the number one rule of security is NEVER TRUST THE CLIENT. it worked wonders and things were greatthese kikes are locking down computers so they'll act against the interests of their owners to instead do (((their))) bidding. it's preposterous
>>108290114its their fellow leftist tribal members that did this. so obviously they will obey. they cannot turn against then own tribal members.
>>108290114I just won't.I'm not a calicuck, nor a rocky mountain homosexual.
>>108291115there is zero reason for this age verification garbage. I will probably simply get rid of all my computers. Fuck this.
>>108290114Free as in free to go fuck yourself if you don't comply with retarded literallywho laws lol
>>108290114Why do OSes need age verification? It's like saying you need age verification to go into a car (not drive, just going into it). The open source community via the various existing foundations should sue the California state government for overreach.
>>108296293it means "use our service or get locked out goy"also lets them enforce TPM+secure boot DRM combo aka (((anti-tamper))) in every computer, just like ARM's (((trustzone)))
>>108290114Install right now and don't update?
>>108290114i'm ok with this considering i am a leftist. i follow what my tribe tells me. if my tribe says age verification at the os level that i support.
>>108296751What's sad is there really are people like this completely unable to think for themselves relying entirely on what the talk heads tell them. It's why the NPC meme caught on so quickly.
>>108291903because you're not pushing back.This is why kids get bullied in school: so they know how to handle bullies as an adult
>>108295739>linux getting more windowsified by the yearjust in time for these new laws that require every distro to implement government mandated ID verification at the OS and TPM level. what a weird coincidence.
>>108290114Typical boot licking commie Linux bro, looking at ways to comply with the system instead of giving them the middle finger.
>>108291189Then someone will break the hardware. It's /r/boomersbeingfools like usual.
anyone who thinks this is still about california is mentally retarded, it's following the same exact script as the porn age verification, by the end of 2026 it will be world wide.
>>108290114>complying distrosBreaking an unconstitutional law is not only morally correct but a civic duty.
I will NEVER do this.
i can't imagine how much it must suck to get v& in the future for telling lies on the internet.tell me about it.
>>108297676Funny how all this happens all at once. Couldn't be part of a plan though, that would be crazy.
>>108291362Do you promise?
>>108291362It can't be too hard to make a program that tells websites that I'm verified to be old enough. Because let's face it, this is being designed by legislators, the chances they'll make an actual secure system are about nil.
>>108296751>i follow what my tribe tells meI left my tribe because of this stupid fucking war with lessons learned from Iraq, AI, and the economy. I'm homeless.
Age verification in Guix System? No problem, I'll just add this simple line or two in my config.scm
>>108296293Then you got MidnightBSD who is making their system no longer open source.Why arent people angry at them?
>>108290114>age verification for a privacy anonymity schizo distrois he stupid
>>108298020all it takes is one group which is perceived to have enough power to actually make others do something for everyone else to do it, toolike if brazil started it the world wouldn't take notice, it'd never happen, but when california does it, other US states will do it, and now you have "the US" doing it, and others can be more sure that it will actually happen
>>108290114this would have to be enforced on a per-distro basis since linus is a colonel. what's stopping distros from just saying "fuck you im not doing it," can any actual action be taken against them?
>>108299001>can any actual action be taken against them?Governments can demand that private businesses only use distros which include the necessary technology in their default installs. That will in theory put financial pressure on distros that rely on commercial contracts. For stopping private individuals, the government will need to rely on Remote Attestation instead.
>>108299251Github has been subpoenaed (I believe that's the word) to remove repos before, and they've complied. That doesn't mean the distro will be gone but it does mean it's more difficult to acquire. Other repo sites might benefit from this actually, now that I think of it.
>>108291362>then you will fail all captchas and be locked out of the internet :^)Boohoo there's nothing there but bullshit anyway.
>>108299325>subpoenaed (I believe that's the word) to remove repos before,Subpoenas only force you to be a witness in a lawsuite.There's no real standard process for having people stop sharing something in the US but the court can order it in the case of eg copyright infringement.
I mean... great opportunity for the devbase to call their bluff and then bring the economy to its knees when all their backend shit just dies because it's now illegal to use? A technological exodus from California would be pretty hilarious
>>108295877There difference is that in physical gas stations, they also check the photo on your ID. And they also look at you so if you're like 12 they will not even ask for ID, they'll just tell you to get fucked. And finally possessing fake ID is a serious crime in many places in the world, so even if you literally only use it to buy booze at the gas station, if they ever look at you wrong and suspect something - or if you're ever caught up in an unrelated police search and they find that ID - you're in trouble.Meanwhile electronically there is no context like your actual physical appearance, and to enter fake information does not require possessing a physically illegal item. They COULD make software that uses facial recognition to match to an ID and also tries to verify it's a legitimate-looking ID card but I could also fork the software to just show me a text box instead and skip all that clownshow.
>>108297676>absent revenueIs the law worded as "whichever is greater", or can you actually register $10 of yearly revenue from donations and pay a $1 fine
>>108298511In this case probably because LiterallyWhoBSD has maybe 10 users in the world of whom 5 might be from some autistic commercial application or something.If it was a more relevant OS there'd be a lot more outrage. However there is only one OS who has the literal cuck license named after them, so it's unlikely to happen.
>>108291112I'm excited for the global depression for israel from iran blowing up all the oilfields and pipelines because of israel.
>>108299506>Meanwhile electronically there is no context like your actual physical appearance,Right so you could comply with this law by informing users they could type their birthday and state ID number into the GECOS field (lol) when they create their user.That's legitimately as far as you can go technically since the state doesn't issue people certificates (and they'd fuck it up if they tried.)
>>108299613Yes, right now obviously. The issue that everyone is worried about is that this sets precedent that the OS is somehow responsible for your age, with two natural follow-up laws sometime in the next couple of years (or even 5-10 years, no matter): either a requirement for attestation using a TPM thus making most truly free software OSes illegal, or even more insidiously, a requirement for the API to either provide verifiable attestation or declare the lack thereof; then websites and software will be able to simply lock out anyone not using a verified good goy attester.This is not too dissimilar to how for example Google Pay and Apple Pay work on phones right now, where you need a certified attested OS to run them (no custom ROMs, no jailbreaks, no unlocked bootloaders, no nothing). Except legally enforced, for every OS, and tied to your ID.
>>108299613>the state doesn't issue people certificateshttps://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/ca-dmv-wallet/
>>108290114Surely its just a package you can remove lmaoWorst case is swap to Gentoo
>>108290114Yeah like every people paying for windows. looks like those niggas dont know what piracy is.
>>108291362Sounds like a dream
>>108299645goy, you're being anti-semetic again. stop it you bigot!
>>108290114how the fuck is this even supposed to work? No internet access = no way to install OS? I know murricans are retards, but still impressed
>>108302443windows 11 home and pro already require an internet connection to install it officially, no joke
>>108290114only in shithole states(commiefornia, cuckarado) and countries (brazil)
>>108299358>A technological exodus from California would be pretty hilariousIsn't that already happening without all this bullshit?
>>108302523and still has fallback when installing in air-gapped environments, how the fuck is anyone going to spin up ubuntu in such, inb4 every ubuntu docker image you run requires a photo id and internet connection, it's fucking retarded
>>108302625I have to imagine most distros will, at most, have a single question in setup where you enter a DoB. But even if it was that level where you send an ID, how does this stop a kid from using a family computer to access the internet unimpeded? It's complete bullshit and doesn't make sense except to retarded normalfags who don't even understand what they're voting for
>>108303423What will stop them is when a "trusted party" issues digital ID certificates
>>108290114I don't understand.Underage people aren't allowed to use a computer?I used a computer since I was 11 and learned BASIC when I was 12/13.The government wants to ban this to keep kids dumb?
>>108290114Tranny commie cultists pretending they didn't push for this
>>108295877>How do you hack something that never leaves the PC?same way you get fucked by windows recall lmao
>>108303423>how does this stop a kid from using a family computer to access the internet unimpeded?governments will declare it to be a cybercrime to use someone else's account, even a local account on a shared PC. letting a child use your account will be deemed child neglect and the parents will go to prison.
Retarded niggers on this board keep bumping this when ubunutu hasn't even complied yet.https://nitter.net/ubuntu/status/2029143568762167350https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntus-response-to-californias-digital-age-assurance-act-ab-1043/77948
we should have gatekept the internet more.
>>108299342Yeah, they must have simply been asked and then taken them down of their own volition. Thanks for clarifying the term.
>>108303549>The government wants to ban this to keep kids dumb?yes. they want children to remain dumb so they'll be happy and own nothing, then die for the zog
>>108304517obsessed
>>108290114How is this not government compelled speech? Source code is considered legally protected speech, no different than a book. This isn't controlling access to the OS, this is mandating how the OS and code be written.
>>108303423It doesn't stop, only punishes.
>>108291189Certainly my cats will not be around then which means my lifetime of training will activate
>>108304594>How is this not government compelled speech?The constitutional argument is interesting but I think the state power being invoked is the regulating of commerce, which states can do locally like the federal government can do nationally. SCOTUS has already ruled that even giving something away for free, or consuming goods you've made just for yourself, is "commerce" because you are affecting the market by removing demand. Yes, that's as stupid as it sounds.Anyway, to survive the compelled speech challenge, the state would rely on previous SCOTUS findings that an age verification law is "narrowly tailored and that it does not burden substantially more speech than necessary".https://calawyers.org/privacy-law/supreme-court-upholds-texas-age-verification-law-in-major-free-speech-decision/
BASED lets add an API for race, nationality and gender too! HELL, any category you can think of they'll be an API for. We can segregate the internet and serve targeted ads to everyone!
>>108304975>BASED lets add an API for race, nationality and gender too!that's the point moron. they build an infrastructure for "age," then add other data points as time passesCP filters are infamously repurposed into copyright filters
>>108304983True we can serve targeted DRM too. Good idea. Do you want too see bluey or whatever toddlerslop is popular in your feed? Then pay extra.
>>108290114Are digital freedom lobbying groups doing anything? EFF etc? Petitions? emailing your representatives? Contacting news outlets?
>>108305042tot kek
>>108305042HAHAHA I wish. If I call my representative, he's gonna hang up on my ass/screener put me on perpetual hold once he finds out what my call is about (Red State)
>>108290127You're a pedo cause you were fucked by your dad and his friends if you're a jew.
>>108305042They won't change anything. The sooner you get used to eating ze bugs, the happier you'll be
FTC chair just implied that people against age verification are paid by pedo lobbing groups
>>108305112>government watchdog organizations shitting on the people they swear to protecthitting levels of regulatory capture not thought possible before
>>108305042You know you can just search that right anon?https://www.eff.org/issues/age-verificationhttps://edri.org/our-work/edri-gram-4-march-2026/Also you have to actually live there for them to be your representatives. This is currently happening in California and Colorado. I'm pretty sure most of the people here don't live there.
>>108304971I don't think this is the same as age regulating access as we've seen before. My thought was a comparison to Phil Zimmerman when the development of PGP was targeted by the federal government.
>>108291362wait, is this not a good thing? is this a thread?
You will be required to have a digitally signed id certificate(signed with a key from big tech). Without said certificate your ISP won't let you access the internet. You certificate will be included in all network traffic
>>108304975>nationalityyou joke but this is one of the real goals for this system internationally.governments want laws that stops foreigners influencing elections through social media.if this gets coopted by ICE to hunt down immigrants then Cali has played themselves.
>>108305184Yep and that's how the internet dies. We had a good run
just use haiku
>>108295772Ironically, back in 2024 Canonical told him they don't care about this. https://9to5linux.com/ubuntu-fedora-linux-mint-eye-age-verification-amid-california-law-backlash
>>108305193I'm not joking, people/government/corporations want control over others, the easiest way is divide and conquer. We could prevent most child exploitation (CSA and CSEM, child advertizing, f2p games etc) if we just abolished childhood but then we would have no justification to force them into schooling and unpaid labor. The nation must survive so youths need to be controlled.Society and elites are the ones who dictate social roles. The only choice we have now is if humans can comprehend those social categories or if we leave AI up to creating really complex ones.
>>108305151The age verification implementations are a bit different, but requiring a couple of operating systems to implement age verification is less of a free speech burden than requiring millions of sites to implement their own age verification process. Now those sites will be able to just implement a standard API or rely on a browser extension.Also consider that most sites will be outside of state jurisdiction, so if a site doesn't support age verification the only option state courts would have is injuncting ISPs to completely block those sites. Even if a foreign site does implement age verification, it's rational for a state to not want its residents to have to give their personal information to sites outside their jurisdiction, who can't be sued if there is a data breach.
>>108305340>Now those sites will be able to just implement a standard API or rely on a browser extension.this is not about verifying ages. it's about controlling peoplewhen the system is in place they're gonna flip a switch and it'll go from "age" to "radicalized extremists" (i.e. people the government doesn't like)
>>108305273>CP would stop existing if we abolished childhoodcommunists really are mental gymnastics champions aren't they. weird how they entirely lack self awareness and reflection. guess it's the narcissism at root.
>>108305428Pretty much by definition. The C in CP means Child. We would still have YP, but the various open faucets towards systematic exploitation would be closed. Then it would be simple to create a retroactive consent framework. It would blow your mind how much child prostitution is created due to child targeted advertising and f2p games. I notice you use the classic black/white fallacy of "most->all", most people here can see that too. But when I say most here we are likely looking at ~10,000:1 CP/CSEM cases to YP/YSEM cases.
>>108305477and if we stop considering communists human, it won't be unethical to put you in camps. i love word games!
>>108305428>cp would cease to exist if you abolished the category of childwell he's technically not wrong......
>>108305499I'm materially human, you are the one confusing social classes with reality here dude. You are the one playing word games!!! Nobody is born a child or a communist
>>108290114So everyone is on board with the fact this simultaneous push in every Western country for hate speech and biometric data requirements for internet access is just the epstein class trying to enforce digital ID to enslave Western people correct?
I'm completely anti-ID. It's un-American and I've been saying time and time again that it's a slippery slope. Like, it seems like "commonsense" to require an ID to vote since there are so many malicious actors who vote fraudulently, but they really need to figure out another way. All of these bureaucracy and nanny state bullshit needs to go away. My goal in life is to ultimately live off the grid and never renew my state ID ever again. I don't want an ID to be a requirement in life. I hate it. I'm going to do everything in my power to continue using Linux without losing my anonymity
>>108305543i think it's somewhat justified given people are going feral and being agitated by foreign actorsi see it as two factions pushing different theories, the shitlibs think doomsayers are speaking bad things into existence, so their solution is censorship and propaganda about how ISIS being your neighbor is good. while the trads understand that people are pushing their boundaries and finding no upper limit, so keep transgressing further and further until they're barely human:>>108305273the solution would be to decouple real life and the internet so the excesses of the internet don't bleed into reality, but i think we're just going to get fucked from both ends instead
>>108305340When PGP was targeted by the federal government, what did Phil do? He published the source code to his program as a book. Did that book become illegal because feds considered his code a weapon? In the inevitable court case that followed, it was decided that no, it was not illegal. It was protected speech and had the same protections as any other book.Now lets consider the case of an explicit book. You may have to verify your age to read or view the book, but the law does not force the author to modify the contents of his book. This is similar to the Texas style age verification.So what if you were to publish your OS, sans age verification, in the state of California as a book? It'd be one hell of a book, but it could be done. Does that book become illegal? With the current law it sure seems like it would be. Unless the author changes the content of their OS book. This is why I think this law is an example of government compelled speech. Because the law has nothing to do with access and everything to do with the content of.
>>108296751RMS is a leftist and perhaps the most consistent opponent of this kind of thing over the last 30 years
sudo pacman -Rsc age-verification
>>108291243>The reason for this law is that Apple has already made the API and they want all competing OSes to support something similar,That's called regulatory capture. They already expended the effort making something, now they want to lump that cost on all competitors too.CEOs should be shot over this stuff.
Sometime social classes are useful for discourse. I can say Yann LeCun on a tech forum and we all know the physical person that name refers to. If I arbitrary declare that lYann LeCun (or people with that label) go to the camp, yet that physical person didn't do anything physically harmful, then I am making an assumption that a program/system of label+action manipulations has accurately transformed those physical actions into a harmful action (in short he did a crime)If that system is divorce from real experience in dealing with those label then we get garbage results (which causes all sorts of harm if acted upon, and there is a cost to run this system). That is institutional decay/misalignment. If that happens the remedies range from patching the system, changing/removing social labels or even a full rewrite. We are already seeing competing AI systems for market/commerce, in china most legal cases are filtered by AI. The California law doesn't just segregate people into adult and child it further segregates child into "Age bracket data" 0-13, 13-16, 16-18. Of course the computer usage behavior of a 1 year old is different from a 12 year old and this is an exploitation opportunity, the law can't do anything about that until it further segregates.
>>108291362If they ever block me from accessing the regular Internet without an age verification (or any sort of policy where I'd have to give my personal information), I'll just become a full time onion user. I'll only use Tails/Whonix, all my connections will go through Tor and I'll only access onion websites. Good luck with censoring that.
>>108305572Can't forget that somehow the big tech platforms just keep getting away with things, despite the huffing and puffing and it's the smaller players that are getting fucked. >>108305601The internet has plenty of regulation already, and honestly I'm not a big fan of social media, but the ID stuff feels painfully invasive. But man, I'm broadly centre-left, both sides kinda piss me off even if I lean in one direction.
>>108305632>This is similar to the Texas style age verification.The Texas law effectively compels companies to change the coding of their website so that it performs the age verification step before allowing users to continue. This is compelled speech, just like the California law. The fact that Phil can publish a book isn't really relevant to the question of compelled speech, since no one was compelling him to write that book. I think he was protesting against export controls and knew that the US government couldn't ban the export of books.>So what if you were to publish your OS, sans age verification, in the state of California as a book?Nothing would happen, unless prosecutors could prove that the author was conspiring with the buyer of that book to install an operating system that didn't comply with the law. Unfortunately since the PGP case, the US government has moved more towards punishing open source developers for other people using their software, so I don't want to say that the book author is definitely safe. In any case, the government wouldn't be "compelling speech" of the author any more than they are "compelling the speech" by preventing a mugger from saying "Give me your money or I shoot you".
>>108305680you're missing this little tidbit>operating systems without age verification are illegalbtw you won't get access to age verification services if you're doing shady, illegal shit :^) (pirate sites included)
>>108305680But you'll still need to verify with your OS before running tor?>>108305701Phil publishing the book was proving a point. That distributing computer software is fundamentally no different than publishing a book. What the feds were asking of Phil is similar to what California is asking of operating systems: to modify their software based on the demands of the government. The key issue with Phil was that he was using encryption keys longer than what export laws allowed, hence why his software was classified as a weapon (Shortening the encryption keys to comply would have been compelled speech). The whole book thing is largely just to help visualize the situation.>Texas law forcing companies to modify the coding of their websiteThis is not the same sort of thing. The companies changing the code of their website is about complying with access and not content. They could still distribute the unmodified site code for people to run on their own systems, even if people might have to age verify first. That is not the case with the California law. The California law would prevent any such code from existing at all.If you wanted to modify the California law to be similar to Texas, I suppose you could change to say you must age verify before using/installing/downloading an OS that does not track age. As that would allow the author's unmodified code to still exist in California. But that is not the case.If they can mandate this be added to OSs, then they can mandate the cursor be green, computers must make an audible chime every five minutes, that the default wallpaper must be goatse or any number of other things. I don't see it as any different.
>>108305967>using/installing/downloadingPerhaps poor choice of words, but before you hit the download button or before you purchase the device with the noncompliant OS preinstalled.
>>108291056>I dont know what those idiots in congress think is gonna happen.you probably won't be able to access youtube unless your browser runs on an "approved" OS/hardware, thus you'll only be able to play age of empires 2 or some shit on your offline not-approved hardware
>>108305951>>108305967Well, I guess that (right now) nothing stops someone from uploading an unrestricted distribution to an onion website. Maybe if they block all unrestricted internet access on the ISP level, now that would be really fucked up. But even then, you can't really attach a government ID to an onion IP address. How can they tell that it's me (Anonymous) who's accessing a certain hidden service?
>>108299001it absolutely is orchestrated from darker forces in the background. you cannot possibly be this delusional wtf this absolutely is about the whole AI hysteria and they're afraid of what people can do with/to it, so this is the most desperate attempt of getting on top of it, in these desperate ways, like no veil nothing they power through it pulling all levers to extort world politicians to push these laws everywhere to legitimize it>hey look they're doing it they're doing it that's clearly what everyone must dothis absolutely is one of the biggest psyops that are being pulled, in the whole history of humankind lol. and that's because you have no fucking idea just how afraid they are of losing control
>>108306058>How can they tell that it's me (Anonymous) who's accessing a certain hidden service?they make it illegal with hefty fines attached and you'll comply
>>108305967>Shortening the encryption keys to comply would have been compelled speechThat's an interesting point. I suppose you could treat the ban on exporting the book as a requirement to change some of the contents of the book. The whole thing devolves into chaos though if the difference between a legal book and an illegal book is a single short integer (the KEY_LENGTH constant), and maybe that's what SCOTUS realized they'd be trying to defend if they allowed laws to make such distinctions.>The companies changing the code of their website is about complying with access and not content.Defenders of the California law would claim that they are also just trying to control access, but on the client side, to prevent information leakage to third parties. You could argue that this is overly broad because many people will use their computer with no intention of ever visiting an age restricted site, but it's unlikely SCOTUS would care about that, just like they don't care that age verification puts a burden on adults accessing sites they have a legal right to access.>I suppose you could change to say you must age verify before using/installing/downloading an OS that does not track age.I wouldn't be surprised if they tried that, if the current law is struck down. It sounds identical in terms of the compelled speech burden, though. Putting the check in the software that defines the download page is as much compelled speech as putting it in the software that defines the user creation process, from the point of view of a court. Both are insane and the second is more insane than the first, but the Constitution was not intended to give sane takes about software architecture.
just move to countries that don't go along with this shit. and use online services that don't care about this nonsense.
>>108306058>How can they tell that it's me (Anonymous) who's accessing a certain hidden service?they block access to all tor downloads, duh>b-but I still have my copygood, but it's illegal to distribute since it doesn't check your ID and you'll get sued if you're caught distributing it. and the devs will have to wipe every single trace of it from the public internet.
>>108306327this is akin to police bashing your head in if you dare whisper something in your friend's ear, in public, without them knowing what it is. quite bleak even
>>108306327This still doesn't stop users from sharing encrypted archives containing the most recent Tor Browser binaries. Meek azure bridges will probably become the default on Tor Browser, that way the government can't tell who's using Tor and who's not. You can even spread malware that will run Tor nodes unbeknownst to normies.
>>108306263It's all insane, but having any sort of check before downloading the OS is far better than the implications of allowing legislature to dictate how a piece of software should function. Theoretically you could even acquire the software in person if the person distributing it checked age before handing over a copy. The key point is that this would allow the software to exist at all whereas the current law does not.
>>108306405>allowing legislature to dictate how a piece of software should function.Unfortunately that ship has already sailed when SCOTUS said that corporations have to make their websites implement age verification software. I agree with you in principle that personal operating systems should be off limits, and burdening third party services doesn't feel so bad in comparison, but from SCOTUS's perspective "corporations are people too", so legislatures are free to choose their target between the two (or both).>Theoretically you could even acquire the software in personI like that objection, although it puts the burden on humans implementing a "check age" algorithm manually, in order to avoid embedding that government mandated algorithm into actual code. It feels like the latter is a Third Amendment violation but I don't think we'll get SCOTUS to see it that way.
