NEW MACBOOK STILL USING USB 2.0
Kek, apple fagboys could never.
How do you know which is which
USB 2.0 is sovlfvllWhat do you need more than 480MB/s for?
>>108293063Thats confusing and not intrinsic, Steve Jobs is rolling in his grave. Apple is a failing company.
>>108293088The one that doesn't charge the device
>>108293063Think of my apple shares you stupid fucking goyim.
usecase for USB 3.0??
Is Apple just cobbling the neo from ewaste recycling facilities?The ram crisis is causing reverse Moore's law. I had a faster budget laptop in 2017.
For what purpose? Does the A18 not have a USB controller that supports more than one USB3 port?
I'm not in the market for this, but it's still fucking weird that they're neither colored different, or marked.>>108293128Saving 1 cent probably.
>>108293063Just tell me what neo means. Is it budget or high end. Neo means nothing to me.
>>108293089not 480MB/s, 480Mb/s, and that's raw symbol rate, practically more like 320Mb/s
>>108293063It's literally a 600 USD toy thougha phone with keyboard and trackpad
>>108293063It's a budget PoS. Shouldn't exist in the first place, waste of materials. >>10829308950MB/s*
>>108293063i know the lightning chargers used to have data transfer at usb2 speeds. is this still the case with the new usbc iphones? that's probably why the laptop has a weird usb2 port.
>>108293088think different
>>108293088It's the one that's closer to the front.
>>108293063The point of the new MacBook Neo is to upsell you to the MacBook Air, are you all new to Apple or something
>>108293405I'm generally a high-end Apple shopper, I don't think about how life operates at the bottom of the range.
>>108293063It's $600
>>108293430So is this. You're telling me that is a better value?>b-b-but Windows sucks
>>108293257>One port for Display port>The other one for chargingGod forbid you need a single peripheral
>>108293445https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/pdp/hp-omnibook-5-flip-14-inch-2-in-1-laptop-pc-b09fhav-1Clicked on the post button when I was trying to get back into the text box...Also something-something x86 gets shat on by Apple silicon. You're talking about a web browsing PC.
They should've called it Safaribook unironically
>>108293467kek
It's crazy how little I would think about these shits if someone on /g/ wasn't putting it in my face all the time
>>108293405>>108293518this is literally the first time i've heard of a macbook neo/g/ - Apple Marketing Dept.
>>108293526Because it literally got announced two hours ago? At 9:15 AM EST, at the reason /g/ is talking about it is because it's literally $599, very cheap for Apple.
>>108293544>very cheap for AppleYes, generally underwhelming devices cost less.>literally overheated in my hand when I was just sitting in my car on an average day
>>108293453buy a hub goy
>>108293063>A18WTF it's a phone.
>>108293590Yes, this was rumored.Given that Apple silicon has consolidated their entire device family under a single general umbrella this isn't such a huge handicap for the scope of such a device.That SoC runs Resident Evil 4, after all.
>>108293590Yeah and it beats the brakes off any Chromebook and will outlast Pajeetdows 11 too.
>>108293612>>108293617I just don't understand this product. Why not just get an iPad?
This is going to flood the education market
I'd be interested if it had 16gb of ram (expandable, preferably), better IO and a display with square corners. In the meantime I'll wait for an actually good ARM ThinkPad to arrive.
>>108293662I, for one, can't wait for all the webms of youths flinging these things into walls and ponds.
>>108293612it can run a game from 2005? i'd hope so
>>108293671>expandable>AAPL
>>108293644The iPad can't run MacOS despite the Pros having M chips
>>108293644Different work paradigm. Certain workstation programs might only exist for macOS.I know music production people like Macs (not sure if they care about M-series Macs but it's an industry that has been fond of them nonetheless).Since I've committed to ending my use of macOS unless it comes to the M-series iPad Pro I've taken that route myself. The OS offers too little as a desktop working environment.
>>108293675For sure, plus parents trying to pawn them for fent money
>>108293257>headphone jackCouragebros, what happened!?
>>108293662It's not. Apple has no way of easily managing hundreds or thousands of computers automatically. JAMF barely works and is insanely limited in functionality without going through Apple School Manager, which you can only enroll devices in AT PURCHASE NOT AFTER THE FACT. Apple is a joke when it comes to enterprise/education support. Chromebooks are way easier for schools to manage and cheaper to replace.The Neo is going to be marketed for college kids and personal laptops. Without a decent management system, Apple will never be widely adopted by businesses or schools.
>last-gen phone processor put together by poojeets for American “schools” that will instantly end up in the trash/down the toilet/etc.Civilization just keeps falling.
>>108293762You just know there's going to be some review cooming over the performance for such a low-end device when it launches.
>>108293761>you have to buy new computers from us and give us money not from a third-party where sales agreements may limit the money we make and certainly not used where we make zero dollarsanon this is 90% business decision
>>108293063I'm guessing this budget MacBook wouldn't be great for Xcode or whatever What's the cheapest Mac I could get for mobile app development?
>>108293793It could be a good companion for an iMac at your desk.
>>108293063>2026>8GB RAM
Apple MDM is 100x better than Chrome management. ABM is limited, but JAMF and Mosyle exist. You can enroll a device in MDM management at any time, but if you purchase it from apple it gets hard enrolled from the factory. Apple has always been good for education.
I did sysad work (actually my first sysad job by title) in a place that ran Macs but there was no centralization at all.
>>108293644iPad is the most useless device ever, nothing useful runs on iPadOS despite iPad Pro literally having a laptop-tier M4 chip.
>>108293846I think of iPads as giant iPod Touches.
>>108293840that was the fault of your employer, not apple.
>>108293793The cheapest MacBook Air will do, unless whatever you're planning to compile will compile for a few minutes non-stop, in which case presumably active cooling would help, which would push you into the cheapest MacBook Pro. I really think the cheapest MacBook Air will do.
>A18 prono shit it's a tablet chip.
>>108293063>USB 2.0>Headphone jackLMFAO.
>>108293891It's not even that. If such a thing existed it'd be called the "A18X". It's just the higher-end iPhone chip.
>>108293899even better. people were asking for iphone chips running macos for years
>>108293460Low end HPs suck too. The ones worth a damn are the elitebooks.
>>108293128It literally does not. It's a phone/tablet processor with 1 (one) USB3 port.And Apple did what the Chinese do on the cheapest USB hubs - they installed a hub only for the USB2.0 lines and just passed the 3.0 lines through.
Why can’t schools just go back to using pencil and paper? Is it the grift and corruption? A notebook costs a dollar and does the same thing in school as this piece of trash. Is America just a feudalist state run by FAANG?
asus zenbooks from 2 years ago have 2 thunderbolt 4 ports, appletoddlers lost again.
>>108293063Ah, I'm so glad we ditched the previous standards for one singular, homogeneous standard.
>>108293986You have to pay extra for the no-tech private schools.
>>108293099>both support charging
>>108293118extern drives
>>108293063>new humiliation ritual for itoddlersThis is unironically a good thing. Based Apple.
>>108294046Very very slowlyCan the Macbook even run while charging on USB2?
>>108293865Honestly I didn't regard it that badly. It didn't feel very hard to administrate even without any infrastructure propping it up. All the services everyone needed were either on the Internet or via an RDP connection to our Windows servers.
>>108293182It means newwhich means worse
>>108293644Apple wants you to get this and an iPad.
>>108294080it's probably really usb 2 + whatever is needed to run the charge that comes in the box (and no you won't be told how to tell what other chargers may work)perhaps there's a standard for usb-c with usb 2 speeds but usb-c power protocols? idkironically in making all the ports the same they've made it impossible to tell if any two devices are actually compatible if you plug them together. i guess we should be thankful a mistake doesn't cause sparks and damage...
>>108293945Speaking as someone who cares about computing potential, yeah, sure but to spend $600 to get something that browses the web and does some other stuff that seems like a more sensible way to go about it unless you have a hate-boner for Windows.You can't really enter the performance of Apple silicon into the argument here because it's not even using an M-series chip so even if the iPhone 16 Pro is a good piece of hardware in this case it's being positioned as the "iPhone SE" of their range. It's not even configured like an iPhone 16 Pro (the A18 Pro has access to all six of its GPU cores on iPhone 16 Pro but on the MacBook Neo it only has access to five).
>>108293063That way they can release another model later on with all the same specs but usb 3 for three times the price and have iDrones just lose it and buy them all up.
>>10829306310GB/s isn't stellar either
>>108294175*Gb/s1.25 GB/s
>>108294183Yeah, my bad. I was thinking bits.
>>108293063literally why though
>>108294103Thanks, I appreciate you not even remotely answering my question.
>>108294128>i guess we should be thankful a mistake doesn't cause sparks and damage...it can actually, though due to chinkiness I'll admit, have a charger that's usb-c shaped but delivers *only* 12volts 3amps no pd, no 5v
iTODDLERS BTFO
>>108294256they really should have built it into the specs that people were going to manufacture such shitthere's a fire safety issue too...
>>108294128>perhaps there's a standard for usb-c with usb 2 speeds but usb-c power protocols? idkPretty sure data and charging are completely separate standards so you can mix and match.
>>108293986blame parents. they shop for the most tech advanced schools and are wow'd by education tech easily.
>>108293453your monitor should be able to charge your laptop and act as a hub, so 1 usbc is enough actually (in theory). the second is just for fun
>>108293453Fortunately some screens can charge a connected laptop and most screens have USB ports.But I agree any laptop should have at least 3 USB ports to avoid fucked up situations.And IMO also at least one USB-A, so minimum 4 in total.
This is the kind of shit that wouldn't have passed by Steve Jobs. You can't claim to be simple and intuitive while having two ports that look exactly the same, next to each other, that have wildly different specs. At least on Windows laptops they put labels next to them.
>>108293453it's probably a chip limitation. you can't just add ports without pcie lanes or adding chips to basically create an internal hub.
>>108294512It's trivial to turn one USB port into multiple ports if you don't mind sharing bandwidth.That's why USB hubs are a thing and why still using USB 2 in current year is retarded.
>>108293992absolutely no normie buying this knows or gives a shit what a thunderbolt port even is, they don't need them and don't use any peripherals where they need anything more than usb 2.0
>>108293063>Mandate you use the shitty tiny USB standard>Don't even give you any of the benefits over standard USB AWhy?
>>108294080usb2 and usbpd are not mutually exclusive, lots of phones have fast charging but only 2.0 transfer speeds
>>108294580it's most likely usb2 right off the chip. so what do you want? this is a phone chip. it has limited io.
>8GB maximum of soldered RAM>USB 2.0
Is this because everyone is a poorfag or the state of hardware is so dire this is the only hardware viable for sale?
>>108294695>competes with chromebooks which also have soldered ram.>>108294711it's for students and grandma. it be cheaper if sam didn't buy up all the ram and storage chips.
>>108294207/g/ is a hotbed for autism. People round these parts march to the beat of a drum only they can hear. You knew that.
>>108294283based
>>108294652Even outside PD, a lot of companies straight up just ignored the 2.0 spec and made 0.7A and 1.0A 2.0 ports. If you look at old smartphone manuals, a lot of them tell you "Do not use third party chargers" for this reason (Although the third party chargers also ignored this)
>>108294657Phones only having one USB port is pretty retarded too
>>108293182It's Apple deciding to break into the mass market. So, budget. They've seen how badly Microslop is fucking up and realized that now's the time to get big market share gains in the laptop/desktop space.You will live to see a time when macOS is the norm and Windows is the brokefag/corpocuck exception.
>>108295755I honestly couldn't care less, I use Linux.
>>108293118E waste devices that don't support USB4
>>108293063>ipad with a hinged keyboard>people lining up to buy it.for why. Isn't this jsut an apple branded chromebook?
>>108293118coom electrification
>>108294489
>>108293063>macbook neoIt's a budget laptop for poorfags for fucks sake.It's better than the half assed USB 3.0 implementations on budget windows laptops. At least they're being honest about using 2.0.
>>108296976https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compagnie_Nationale_Excelsior
Why does /g/ take Apple's Immense Success as White People Products so badly?
>>108297081>Literally just 2 ports>Only 1 (one) is USB3You can get laptop with 2 usbs 3.2 for 3/4 the price and they'll most likely come with some extra 2s tooApple could put empty holes in shape of USB instead of ports on their laptops and people would still defend it
>>108293063Where are they spending will their PCIE lanes?
>>108293063kek, apple is trying to capitalize on child zogbots - now teen zogbots - who grew up on google surveillance books. apple is pushing this undercooked hardware because of chromebook using demographics that do not know better, and also to attempt to get more government education gibs.
>>108293063That will be $2,200 plus tip, goyim
>>108293460Ewww HP?
>>108293182It's the new normal
>>108294695and yet it will still run snappier than 32GB USB4 x86 winshit laptops
>>108293182Literally a mac chromebook.Future E-waste. Like all other chromebooks.
How many cents are they saving by making it USB 2.0 instead of 3.0?
>>108293119>I had a faster budget laptop in 2017.No you didn't.
>>108293846Ipad is good for toddlers and elderly people
>>108293182It's a netbook
>>108294065this
>>108294065ah yes, exactly what the average school kid is using these days
I'm buying one as a gift, they're never going to know the difference between 3.0 and 2.0.
the majority of normgroids I know just use cheap A-C cables that came bundled with whatever chinese shit they bought most recentlythey have no fucking clue how usb 2/3 or a/c works or what it means
>>108293063Don't forget to buy a hub and carry it everywhere with the laptop, anons.
>>108298225>keeping photos of people are richer and more successful than you in an attempt to mock them>they don't know you exist
>>108293063it's a tablet SoC of course it wouldn't have more than the usual tablet's worth of ports
>>108293119no other modern $500 laptop is faster than the Macbook Neo, 2017 laptops are like 10x slower
>>108293238only base iPhone models, Pro and Pro Max have 10GB/s type-c ports
>>108293793any M-series mac with 24-32GB or more of ram, even 16GB is not enough for Xcode anymore
>>108293846>useless device everfor brainlets that don't read books
>>108294283POORFAG
>>108293992>asus zenbooksstill one TB controller, shared bandwidth between 2 ports and a similarly priced macbook pro has 3 TB ports with a separate TB controller for each port
>>108294621usb 3 is a scam anyway, there are barely any peripherals that warrant it
>>108299156>read booksWhy would you willingly read on a device without an e-ink display?
>>108293118hdmi
>>108299382e-ink is inferior
>>108293846Drawing's the only valid use case I could think of with the iPad, competing products running on Android from actual drawing tablet companies have started popping up, but the general use tables from Samsung, etc. just don't compareFor everything else the iPad just sucks>still the same shitty iOS file manager>iPadOS 26 ruined multitasking>the M-series chips not being pushed hard enough by the gimped softwareOnce my iPad Pro breaks I think I'll just get the Air next time, I literally only use it for drawing and I'd prefer switching to my desktop for other serious work
>>108294621>>108299299>External storage (Which given the soldered storage that tops out at 512 GB, you're definitely gonna need)>External display >Ethernet adapter>>108299400How is the one screen technology that doesn't burn your eyes when reading inferior?
>>108299424most external storage maxes out at around 100 megabit on a good, but even an ssd cant saturate the full usb 2 bandwidth i see it already, youre an eink schizo faggot
>>108299424ips doesn't burn your eyes, reflected sunlight from e-ink actually fucks your eyes up
>>108299446>most external storage maxes out at around 100 megabit on a good, but even an ssd cant saturate the full usb 2 bandwidthNigga, what? My shittiest external HDD can get 100 MEGABYTES per second on a 3.0 port, and if plugged into a 2.0 port, it will 100% saturate the connection at ~57 MB/s (~456 Mb/s)>i see it already, youre an eink schizo faggotSorry for wanting to make reading an enjoyable experience>>108299466>ips doesn't burn your eyes, reflected sunlight from e-ink actually fucks your eyes upIf that was true, we'd see the same shit from people reading paper books
>>108293063my asus prime b850 uses usb 2 aswell. its so gay
>>108294080I can charge pretty fast off a USB2 cable — at least 60W, which ought to be more than enough for a processor like this with a screen that only does like 500 nits and is only 13"
>>108297566Probably a lot. Generally these chips tend to have just enough USB-lane bandwidth for a phone and so all you can really expect is one 3 and maybe a little more
>>108299505>If that was true, we'd see the same shit from people reading paper booksyou get same issues, you damage your eyes.
>>108298257we're talking about an 8w cellphone soc put in a laptop shell here anon. not even figuratively
>>108293063It's cheaper.Literally the entire point of this machine is to be as cheap as possible to be sold to normies that were left stranded after entire tech industry took a dump on everything not related to AI."OOOHHH JUST FEW PENNIES, OOOHHH THERE'S NO REAL DIFFERENCE" - that can be said about every isolated part of this crapbook neo. The point is that if you sum up all these pennies you'll end with cost reductions letting Apple to sell this for <500$. Ultimately you'll not be transfering terabytes of data on this machine and difference in transfering handful of photos or videos is like between 0,5seconds and 0,6seconds, it's meaningless.
The fact that it has a shitty touchpad that is a button you click instead of Force Touch is a bigger problem imo.
>>108299927For me it's the apple ecosystem
I think it would be a good secondary computer to use comfily in bed if you already have a beefy desktop that you do most things on. I would have got this instead of the M4 macbook air if it came out sooner
>>108293063you can buy 13" tablet with those specs, keyboard, higher refresh screen, expandable storage for $200. amazeballs
>>108299505fucking doubt youre getting almost a gigabit with an external drive over usb lmaoif you mentioned thunderbolt i would've maybe believed it since it would imply youre not a poor faggot, but sustaining anything over 300 mbit is a fucking fantasy even for solid state drivesreading is never an enjoyable experience, its for pussy faggots like you who enjoy getting rammed up the bum by mr bojangles
FreeBSD, OpenBSD
>>108293063it would appear that Apple fans, also known as iToddlers, have been blown the fuck out. If only there was a reaction image to convey this.
>>108300527>fucking doubt youre getting almost a gigabit with an external drive over usb>sustaining anything over 300 mbit is a fucking fantasy even for solid state drivesAnon, you think they keep making USB revisions for funsies? 3.0 caps out at 5 gigabits and we went beyond that because newer SSDs, can, in fact, go beyond that. Are you somehow posting from 2008 or something?>reading is never an enjoyable experience, its for pussy faggots like you who enjoy getting rammed up the bum by mr bojanglesAh, I understand, you're retardedI accept your concession
>>108302035they stopped making new usb versions after usb 3.2 gen 2x2, they very well know theyd hit the physical limits of the connector very soon if they implemented real improvementsthe latest "revision" by the usb forum was renaming thunderbolt 3 to usb 4
>>108302131>they stopped making new usb versions after usb 3.2 gen 2x2Sure, and wanna know what 3.2 gen 2x2 caps out at? 20 gigabitMy point still stands, why the fuck would we get 10 and 20 gigabit revisions if "sustaining anything over 300 megabits is a fantasy even for SSDs"?
>>108300527>fucking doubt youre getting almost a gigabit with an external drive over usb lmaohuh? i have 15yo hdd's that can do over a gigabit continuously in a usb3 enclosure>sustaining anything over 300 mbit is a fucking fantasy even for solid state drivesare you actually living in 2010?
>>108302131usb4 and thunderbolt3 are different. they're often compatible, but there are things thunderbolt3 does that usb4 cannot. and there's now usb4 v2 which does 80gbps.
>>108293744No one uses that shit.
Only audiophools care about the jack.Audiophools own endgame headphones.Endgame headphones are not used without dedicated DAC/AMP units, portable or otherwise.You wouldn't use it direct anyway, you fucking sperg. You'd hook it up to your Chinese thingy with an analog volume knob.
>>108293063>STILL USING USB 2.0chuds are always upset when apple calls it ahead of time. get rid of a floppy drive for usb ports? insane. get rid of the optical drive? crazy.nobody uses the data lines in these cables anymore. they are exclusively used to charge. by not providing something nobody uses, the die can be optimised further for more compute which just further increases the already market leading efficiency. seethe chuds seethe. the new battery efficieny graphs will send andoid engineers back to the office to try to compete. and in a few years, they will do the same thing as apple has now
>>108294283Based>>108299181brown
>>108303422>they are exclusively used to chargeUsing USB C instead of Magsafe or even a good old barrel jack if you don't need the data lines is absolutely retarded
>>108303967this way you have the data lines if you want them. they should have just added a magsafe as well. 2 usb and a magsafe.
>>108303967I think the europeans require them to use a consistent charging port
>>108303992Honestly it wouldn't be that bad of an idea if they made an exception and laptop makers were all required to use the same barrel jack>But le heckin USBCnerino that also le charges my phone!!!It works for phones because any charger will work on any phone (to some degree), for laptops it's retarded since you now have a port that will fit, but will not always charge>>108303987Eh, it's better than nothing, but given that they're probably using an internal hub to get data on the second port, nothing would've really stopped them from making it a 3.0 hub, that way you'd get the freedom to say, plug an external display in either
>>108304378nah. the USB2 is probably directly wired to the chip. it's a holdover from the lightning connector which ran at that speed.
>>108304649If that's the case, where would the 3.0 be coming from?
>>108305571it was probably something they repurposed from parts on the phone that aren't on the laptop. beyond that i don't know. i know the linux kernel has some device trees for some older a series chips, but nothing for the one used in the neo. you could look at those device trees.
>>108293063can't run Linuxweighs 1.23Kgno thanks
