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Just got my "new" T14 gen 1 AMD, it came with 16GB of ram "soldered", there's still one empty ram slot, 256GB nvme, 1080p touchscreen, it even comes with a fingerprint thingy.
It looks brand new, no shiny spots and no scratches, I'm really happy, got it for 270€.

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>>108309918
Yes, I know this is a retarded question that can be answered with "just Google it", but I'd like a second opinion and Google has been reduced to dust by AI slop. No budget (although I'm still probably buying something used)—what's the best ThinkPad I can buy for casual use that can still function without immediately fucking dying at the sight of any game or program?

>>108310250
funny thing but you know depends, think to yourself, do you want to carry a 14/16 inch laptop? Or is it going to be something that will not travel with you. This also depends on what games or programs you are going to use on it. Example, my x260 with an i5 6200u can do lighter gaming, so for example I can run half life 2, fallout new vegas, and although it will sound like a jet is trying to take off, it can handle it. I can watch 1080p videos on youtube with no issues. If you are using any graphical programs like idk krita or something it's fine, editing is something I've not tried on it but is probably going to suck ass.

>>108310039
damn, nice
which amd?

>>108310404
Ryzen 5 Pro 3500U

>>108309918
I just bought 3rd party batteries. I think my new internal T480 battery is SHIT

how do i use the touchpad without having my arm cramp after 5 minutes

>>108310383
Definitely travel—I'm looking to replace the piece of shit Lenovo YOGA I have that falls apart more every time I drive somewhere. I don't play newer games; my library is mostly limited to older generation games (Minecraft, TF2/GMOD/CS:S/HL2, BO2/BO3 although it's been a few years). I do use Krita a lot. I don't mind if it's loud, but if I'm shilling out the money I might want something that is a little less loud.

>>108310428
You bought from somewhere that accepts returns, right anon?

>>108310473
Use the nipple instead, reach for the touchpad only when you need the extra precision

>>108310608
You could get a T480s for a premium build with good-enough performance, or a T14 G2 AMD for a good-enough build with enough performance to last you >5 years

>>108310608
I am going to doubt the fun in playing online games like tf2 or cs:s on anything outside of a full on desktop with a proper keyboard and a responsive mice, but anything single player like minecraft gmod hl2 should be fine on my laptop, bo2/bo3 is questionable I cannot speak in this matter. If You do not care about an ethernet port and want something as light as possible I'd aim for an x280, (it comes with some sacrifices tho, it is definitely not for everyone since it only has a internal battery, smaller range of ports, but it is very, very slim compared to a x270) if you want something small and easly reparable or whatever x270 is the newest 12.5 inch laptop with both internal and external battery, swappable ram, but as the guy above said if can manage carrying the 14 inch laptop then t480s is always a better option in case of performance, but still be sure to double check the screen resolution before you go for an older used one, some of these laptops come with a 1366x768 display, always double check the display resolution unless you do not care about having a nicer display.

>>108310404
It's the Ryzen 5 pro 4650U.

>>108310250
I'm the new twinkpadder from the last thread with a lot of questions
I got a refurb P14s g2 d 5650u 16gb 500gb on ebay for 282€ (only catch it was bidding listings) and it surprisingly handles games even in single channel ram mode.
I downloaded a bunch of shit overnight so I can come back later and give you an estimate of the performance if you want. I think the most modern games I DLd were cs2 and darktide but haven't tried them yet. DRG ran decently in the rig but I haven't tried a mission yet.
in eu this was basically my best price to performance.
I'm sure if you get some 4650u one it will run older games as well.

Just stop being poor and then you can afford a real laptop and don't have to cope post here to feel better about your 1990's Shittop no one uses anymore

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>>108311606

>>108311606
What's "a real laptop"?

>>108311742
Excellent currystation.
Did you get the 2880x1800 screen? If so, how is it?

>>108310039
I got an intel gen2 with no nvme and 8gb soldered. Really wish it were 16gb soldered. I put in a 16gb stick and a 1tb nvme I already had and paid $60 for. The iris xe graphics really are amazing. It will actually run games surprising for an igpu to handle. But it does require a good 2nd stick of ram to work. The 8gb stick in the 2nd slot it came with really hurt performance. I really wouldn't buy an amd apu from before 2024 when they actually got good.

>>108312102
idk man my 5650u seems pretty good.

>>108312213
Nah amd apus haven't been good very long. Iris xe had them stomped from 2020-2024. These days amd makes good apus though.

>>108312269
why? seems to work pretty well
also Iris ThinkPads were at least +100€ for worse in almost every way spec when I was trolling ebay

>>108312285
Mine was $190 for a t14 gen 2 but had no ssd and had 8gb of 3200mhz soldered. I didn't want windows or a 256gb ssd anyway since I wanted to run linux and have storage.

>>108309918
have they fixed usb c power jack on t14 g4-5?

>>108312319
market in the us seems a lot more forgiving

>>108312357
I have a T14 Gen 5, no problems but I also have no idea what you're talking about.

>>108311742
>>108312046
I imagined the smell and immediately regretted it.

If you are reading this and planning on librebooting your thinkpad in the future. DO NOT BUY THE BLACK CHINKSHIT SOIC8 CLIP. After a few uses it lost all of its clamping power and is no longer able to keep itself on a chip. Pomona clips are double the price but way better quality.

>>108311742
why did you go for Intel rather than AMD?

anyone leave their thinkpad closed, doing background stuff or downloads, and remote into it from their phone to see the progress without having to take it out and open it, or if you're away?
what is the best most convenient program for this on windows? only ever used vnc but it felt a bit ancient.
also used it to just use my phone as a remote touchpad.

>>108313307
What model? What payloads are you putting on it? Or are you using pre-compiled roms?

Don't forget to do multiple reads and backups of your stock bios, and to compare them against one another.

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note to self: never pack tumbler and thinkpad in the same bag. quite the miracle i'm still able to type on this thing now after it swam in a heap of black coffee, and i had to spend a good chunk of the morning at work disassembling and sun drying the thing...

I got an L480 without a hard drive but I didn't know NVME drives went up 4x. Is there a converter to use my 2.5 inch SSDs?

>>108315364
thing takes 2.5 by default
https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/ht511079-removal-and-replacement-videos-thinkpad-l480-20ls-20lt-thinkpad-l490-20q5-20q6

>>108315364
>>108315381
If the SATA cable is missing you can buy FRU 01LW339 or scavenge one from a dead E58x, E59x or E15G1

>>108313479
>have to desolder and solder a new usb c after they fail.

>Lenovo ThinkPad T14s Gen 2 Intel i5 1145G7 2.60GHz 16GB RAM 256GB SSD 14" Win 11
Is this decent for first thinkpad?

Just bought x250 near mint condition for 63 bucks. Am I doing good?

>>108315877
yes for current year. Just make sure it's under 300 bucks

>>108315877
RAM can't be expanded, buy only if you know you won't need more

>>108314342
Smell of shit and cheap plastic.

>>108311742
How many bobs and vagene did it cost you?

>>108311742
That's a lot of pencils, Rahul.

>>108314728
Sounds interesting, what software do you use?

Do you guys actually regularly take your shit apart and clean it and reapply thermal paste? I'm going to do it on my X230 soon, I've had it for 8 years and never cleaned it other than wiping down the exterior surfaces every now and then. Probably leave it for another 8 years after that. What should I expect? Is MX-6 or similar fine? I've seen people say that you should consider pads or a very thick paste for laptops, is it necessary?

>>108309918
>t15 gen 3 for 499$
did i get a good deal?
its the i7 12800h / rtx 3050 one
16gb ram

>>108316376
t480 i bought was 7 years old going off the serial number and i had to open it up yesterday after getting coffee all over it so i decided to repaste while i was inside.

shit’s pretty fuckin dry inside lol. u might wanna do the same. as for what paste hell just use whatever, man.

>>108316287
I used ultra vnc I think
non sound but I used to chill in bed and control my PC with it like for watching stuff. mouse was too hard to see from far away so you can just look at the phone screen for finding fine controls
there's probably something more convenient for removing into the laptop though. wanted to do it cause I was setting it to download Vidya on steam and wanted to check the progress without having to go and open it up

>>108316412
>pretty good dedicated GPU for 500 bucks
yeah I'd say fuckin great
where'd you find that?

what is better for leaving it alone for a long time
shut down
sleep
hibernation
should I also leave it plugged in always?

>>108309918
Are there any good replacement battery brands that still make ones for x220 or x230? one i bought little more than a year ago degraded to 70%.

>>108318936
leave it plugged in if you're sure that battery control works, full-charge is a killer for the battery

>>108310039
this was me a few weeks ago, not exact spec but t14g1 amd as well
happy for you, stick another 16gb in there and watch it fly
feels good man

>>108309918
I have two questions thinkpad chuds, i fixed my t430 with a new display and memory ram, turned out it was the fucking flex cable broken inside the hinge hidden (fuck my shit up) so i got a new flex cable then i realized my battery suddenly died and could not fix due to old bios version (fuck my shit up again) so i get a new battery and updated bios to the one that takes any battery lenovo or not.

So now i have a relatively great t430 but i have two questions

1_During my "fix the battery attempts" i installed lenovo vantage, this thing in theory has the option to make battery last longer by having a more modern laptop driver that chooses to only charge battery at certain times to extend battery life cycles yet the piece of shit can't be minimized and i do not think it works if the app is not open.

2_Is it worth to add a i7 3840QM or will it fuck battery life even more?

What should I get instead of a MacBook neo?

>>108319301
well its been cutting off at 80% but is that a windows feature or a battery controller feature?...

>>108315909
You can take out the 8gb that isn't soldered and put in a 16gb or a 32gb stick.

>>108320596
Just bring a diesel generator and keep it plugged in

>>108320634
That's true for the base T14 not the T14s

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>>108314586
more energy efficient, the amd one had older cpus.
>>108314342
>>108315935
>>108315939
I do not hate you.
>>108315945
I like pencils.

I have 2 very close options in the $280-310 range. Both T14 models, 16/512gb, one has a Ryzen 7 pro 4750U, the other one has and i5 1145G7. What's the better buy? Are ryzen processors less reliable?

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I pieced together another w530 after last having one in 2016 which had a k2000m, 32gb ram, 3940xm for about $1k. Blew that one up with a egpu over expresscard, killed southbridge chip, and reballed and soldered a new chip but my skills were lacking then, so it was toast. S

Finally pieced another w530 with same specs together this moth for about $500 total, and i run into the same gay battery dilemma. I have tried recelling these before but didnt know about bms suiciding if it loses power. Thats an easy fix, and I have few packs of new 18650s from panasonic with pre welded tabs. I have recelled stupider batteries so it is not too concerning. However, How the FUCK do you get these packs open cleanly, lighter fluid nor alcohol breaks their supposed adhesive apart. I have already done a few thinkpad batteries and the casing always tears instead of fully seperating.

I have a gundam model kit type of ultrasonic knife cutting station so perhaps i can cut along seems, but it has these tiny overlapping tabs that i dont wanna chop. Is there some gay trick im not getting???

>>108321471
Ethnicity aside, that cheap E series laptop is off topic anyway. OP clearly stated that this general is for discussing T/P/W/X series Thinkpad.

>>108322010
well, the Ryzen is 8 core with vega 7 and Intel is 3 core with Xe g7 80eus
risen is twice as powerful and the GPUs are the same roughly
just get another stick of ram of same speed if it only has one so it runs dual channel, even better if it's 2rx8. don't get 1rx16 ram

considering to get the asus vivobook 15.6" core 5-120u x1504va-bq588 laptop for smooth web browsing, watching videos, tv shows and anime. I just want to hear from people who have this laptop if there are any issues with it, I don't plan on doing anything heavy on this laptop, so if it goes to shit after a few weeks/months simply because of poor build quality, it would suck

>>108322172
>. Blew that one up with a egpu over expresscard,
kek
this nigga fell for all the memes at once

>>108322172
I tried opening some batteries before and I think the only way you're going to do it is cut the case, then epoxy it back together after.

>>108312046
lmfao

glass trackpad for t480 drops gestures and doesn't register tap to clicks consistently. did i get a dud or should i be reinstalling drivers? on fedora

>>108323291
nvm seem to have tightened the trackpad screws a bit too hard. good lord this is like the macbook all over again

>>108310404
The advanced molestation device ones, anon.

>>108323682
oh I love those

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Umm bros Ethernet interface stays powered on and blinking after I suspend my T420 machine. Simply reconfigures itself to 10M speed. WoL is disabled in BIOS

>>108324584
Intel ME is real

>>108322745
did nobody here have this laptop?

>>108324584
all devices need power during sleep to maintain their state

>>108322175

The E series is seriously under rated, particularly gen 6

>>108325211
>>108322745
Well since this is a thread full of ThinkPad legends, probably not retard

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>>108314822
It was a T580 I just recently bought. I just flashed the default seagrub payload that I compiled myself. The technical writing for the T580 documentation is fucking terrible. It references things later in the documentation or on completely separate pages instead of just mentioning them right at the start. There is zero valid reason for it to be as fucked as it is.

>>108320596
if you are concerned about battery that much - try to get your hands on i7-3632QM it's not as fast, but stil..it's quadcore at 35W.

anyone push their AMD ThinkPads TDP with universal tuner utility?
how do I figure out the upper limits? I set it to 35w and I can't tell if it's working or not, but my temps dont go over 70c, meaning I still have a lot of overhead?
is it dangerous to push a P14s g2 a lot?

Looking for something travel sized that can play indie games. I haven’t kept up with what’s out there since buying a (gigantic) P50 a few years ago for school.

>>108309918
i moved from t480 to elitebook845 g8
I miss my middle mouse button
I miss my pg up/dwn to the said of my arrow keys
I miss my fn ctrl
I mist left alt printscrn ctrl
I miss rj45
I like sureview i guess?
I like 2 sodims

>>108314970
Putting liquid containers in your bag is against all the protocols...

>>108322010
I also found an i7 8550u 16/256gb T480s for the equivalent of $200, maybe I can talk it down to $180. How good is the price compared to my first 2 options?

>>108328752
That would be around half the performance (compared to the AMD one) for 65% the price, though the stronger chassis and bigger battery on the T480s have their value too

>>108328212
i-i’ll be sure to observe them more strictly next time haha…..

>>108321471
Delhi Sultanate rulers and Mughals destroyed and razed down thousands of such temple complexes such as these, especially in my home state of Uttar Pradesh. I despise them and the millennia of humiliation so much, it's unreal.

Also, Atomberg DC fans suck ass. Atrociously slow even on six speed (boost mode), and even that is equivalent to 4th speed of conventional AC electric Havells fans.

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>>108329710
>Delhi Sultanate rulers and Mughals destroyed and razed down thousands of such temple complexes such as these, especially in my home state of Uttar Pradesh. I despise them and the millennia of humiliation so much, it's unreal.

thinkbumo

Guys I am a little confused by a few comments a few threads ago, I asked at the time but no one responded.

Someone had asked if there is any use for an X230 now, and a few people said no. I have an X230 and it is great for most things. It doesn't have a dedicated GPU so that counts out a lot of stuff, but otherwise it does pretty much anything you should expect of a cheap modern laptop. I actually use it just as much as my main because I just like it is all.

So what is it that I'm supposed to not be able to do with it? Why do some of you think it is so limiting that it shouldn't even be considered?

>>108335707
i own a x230 and it gets hot af, and that after i cleaned out the fan and put new thermal paste. i would just get s t480 at this point

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Which thinkpads should I look at that are 15" or smaller, light weight, 1080 , backlit keys to carry in a back pack to and from work?

I have a T530 that I put a 1tb ssd and 16gb of ram in for basic use and I love the thing. It has outlasted several other machines. I want something smaller with a better screen and equal or better memory and processor.

>>108328752
the s stands for shit, look for a regular t480 instead

>>108335854
t480 or wait for the newest t series

>>108335707
I don't understand it either. The only things a 2017 laptop does better than one from 2012 are efficiency and graphics.

>>108335858
>s stands for shit
I thought that until I took a chance and bought one. It's less modular than the base T480, but the build is really nice, reminiscent of old X-series, and it's easier to open for maintenance than any other laptop I know of.

>>108335898
you can get a t14 for the same price as a t480s, you got scammed

>>108328752
get the one with the i5

>>108335980
It cost me less than half the price of any of the meaningfully better T14 models (ie not gen 1 Intel)

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>>108335995
same price btw

>>108336001
More expensive (I paid 120€) and worse (more flex, needs careful prying to open, soldered WLAN module, no extra SSD slot, smaller battery, won't run coreboot)

>>108336018
>soldered
since when so you care about that, you got the variant with soldered ram

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>>108327916
>buying a (gigantic) P50 a few years ago for school.
Been there, done that.
I just went straight to the opposite side of the spectrum and bought a Z13, but you'd probably be better off with either a Ryzen X13 G2/3/4 or just a T14 G2/3/5.

>>108328752
>spending 200 on t480s
hahahahahaha
are you a retard?

you can get 845 g8 for that price or t14

>>108336024
nta but soldered ram is less an issue than soldered WLAN since they are often shit

>>108336041
>>108327916
ryzen p14s G2 is pretty nice too

How's the build quality of the X280?
I want a small laptop to use in bed.

>>108335707
Beats me as well
I keep using 2012 era business notebooks - and they can handle anything I do with them except for gaming past cs:src while my t14g2 amd keeps collecting dust.
2170p is better for mobile shitposting/anime on sofa and such.
8470p docked + 3 monitors works fine as workstation in my workroom
w530 - proxmox hosts my homelab with 32GB of cheap memory..
Holiday house has about 4 of them waiting for their users to show up.

>>108337730
hey pal how about i use you in bed

backlit keyboard i ordered for my thinkpad came was bulging in the middle uwu and the trackpoint was incredibly stiff and mostly only moved on an x/y axis, fuckin hell.

>>108317144
ebay

>>108337730
X280 is fine. They fixed the chassis flex that plagued the x240-x270 models. Be advised - soldered ram - so buy accordingly.

>>108337855
Depending on the keyboard you might be able to swap your old trackpoint module over into it with a considerable amount of trouble.

>>108336917
Prices are shit in my country (Romania), everyone selling used tech thinks they're newer than they are. Because everyone sells for these bad prices, you can't talk anyone down.

>>108335983
why i5?

>>108338540
better performance as it doesn't overheat
8th gen i7 cpus should be avoided

>>108338302
hmm yea there appear to be two screws that house the module hidden under the G and H keys and i'm pretty sure i might just wreck the scissor switches like the last time i tried opening up a similar keyboard so hell i'mma hold off on that... already filed a return for the thing anyway, will try another sample made by darfon instead of this clone.

even if i were to attempt it, though, it might just be a waste since the old keyboard's module is already worn, hence the replacement

>>108338652
nta but my i7-8650U T480 doesn't overheat and performance is slightly better than the i5 one I had before

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>Fell in CachyOS meme and migrated Arch repos to CachyOS on P71.
>Everthing feels faster and snappier.

Well damn.

I am considering getting Lenovo IdeaPad 5 2-in-1 14" Core 5 120U 16GB RAM 1TB SSD
but I'm worried about OLED burn-in, thoughts?how common is it?

>>108338652
Compared to the 11th gen i5 you mean, right?

Does anyone know if you can libreboot the T*80 series without flashing the thunderbolt chip? For some reason my EEPROM has epoxy on pin 5 and its basically impossible to flash the chip unless I buy a hot air station and remove the IC to flash it.

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i accidentally bought the touch screen version of this laptop and i have no fucking use for it what the hell its actually annoying to accidentally touch the screen and be clicking

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Hello /tpg/. I think that the battery of my x230 died. TL;DR my laptop canot be used more than one minute after being unplugged without shuting down. Any suggestion for a new battery?

macbook neo killed the used thinkpad meta

>>108310473
Anal badger

>>108341675
just dont if you use it at public places they swap it anyway

>>108335853
Does it? Doing what, and using which OS? What actual temperatures do you hit?

I just now did my thermal paste and gave it a good clean and I'm getting ~5 degrees cooler under load, no difference at idle though. It was actually surprisingly clean and the paste looked OK, but it was nearly 10 years since its been done.

So anyways now I get low 30s at idle, low 60s under heavy load. Before it was low 30s at idle, up to high 60s under heavy load and occasionally into the 70s. Maybe your fan has an issue if you are getting a lot more than this? Or you fucked up the pasting?

>>108341471
>>108341702
jews are not allowed in /tpg/

>>108341590
Enjoy your superior screen (this is almost universal when it comes to clarity and color reproduction with Lenovoshit). Disable the touch input in your OS.

>>108340163
I might give it a go on my desktop. I prefer xfce on a laptop

>>108341675
Kingsener from Aliexpress.

Make sure you read the instructions otherwise its capacity will quickly diminish.

If you haven't used Aliexpress before, make sure you use a burner e-mail and phone number, otherwise Chang will give that shit out to literally everyone.

about to get my second thinkpad just to learn linux, experiment and break shit, as well as support me in my writing away from home. because my main one is a p15 and while i don't mind the weight, whipping that massive thing out in public is ridiculous and scares the hoes. what should i get? t480?

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>>108341675
>x230
come to my place, I'll brew you a cup of joe and give you this one for just 300 bucks

i have killed 3 t480 cause i am unable to desolder the usb c and the usbc/lighting lenovo thingie, or a fuse due to my inability to desolder and resolder smd shit.

>>108342621
T14 gen 2. Should be ~$200

>>108342080
I find the touch screen only to be annoying when trying to smudge off dust from my screen. I only find it convenient when fapping so my left hand can actually pause, scrub, browse

>>108343159

they do not use iron anymore

fried universal tuning utility and its pretty nuts.
but now I think I have to improve my cooling a bit.
anyone have any recommended cooling pads or gadgets and whatnot?

also i dont think undervolting works in that program. at least on my p14s2

>>108341491
Yes but before you do it, you should check the TB firmware version and flash it internally (e.g. fwupd) if it's below 20

>>108340924
?

>T43 is $90 now
suck my cock all of you

would you rather get a t14s gen 6 with intel or amd for linux use?

>>108310608
Do you just do surf servers? There's no pubs left in css that aren't russian or extreme high pop instant respawn

my X201 only turns on if i remove the battery, what the helly...

God i love having to verify my email and go through 8 captchas just to post.

>>108345772
With Intel V series to get glorious Mac-like battery life

i'm looking at a T420 for $30. boots and the chassis looks intact but no battery's installed. u think it's worth getting regardless? thing's cheap but i wonder what i'd need a 2011 laptop for

>>108346383
buy a chink battery for the t420 which are plentiful and cheap and not half bad, via aliexpress. Main concerns are replacing the HDD with an SSD and giving the thing a clean and repaste, if you so desire.

>>108314970
Be thankful it was a drinkpad.

how is freebsd support on newer thinkpads? i have an amd t16 g2 thats running fedora as a secondary computer, but id like to play around with freebsd. unfortunately, there dont seem to be functional drivers for virtio gpus in freebsd, or at least theres no resources i can find or understand that make them usable, so playing with frebsd in qemu is limited to the command line for me.

id like to put it on a physical machine that isnt i386-based and see if i can use it daily. do you use freebsd on your thinkpad? what issues have you encountered?

I found a T14 gen 1, i5 10210u, 16/256gb for $205. This is $40-ish below the average prices in Romania because most sellers are delusional. Does this model have any big issues?

>>108348731
Could be a shitty panel or a dead battery

on linux how can I put a cap on CPU power usage and force it to throttle down?

Thinking of buying Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 with Ryzen processor
Thoughts? I want it as a portable general use laptop for coding and media

>>108335898
>>108337745
Think of all the shit we could do with our computers back then. I remember running Skyrim soon after launch on a laptop that was already shit for that time with only integrated graphics. Imagine trying that now with the biggest game of the year, totally unconscionable. I was using it for music production, emulation, basic 3D modeling, image editing with GIMP, all sorts of mid-level stuff. Like sure you will be limited on certain things, but you can do most things a normal person would be using a laptop for in daily life.

I use it as my bed laptop, if I want to watch videos or do some casual programming or browsing in bed I use that one, and its not like its a compromise fro convenience, it isn't limited in any way at all for that type of use. I couldn't use it as a main only because I need fairly high specs for some of my work, but that isn't typical for most people. Most people who think they need that are stuck in the early 2000s. I keep wanting to buy another just because the value for money is crazy compared to modern slop, but I have no use for it.

>>108348731
If the resolution is 768p, run.
The 45 NTSC panels aren't great, but for that price I'd be shocked if it has a better one.
Great deal though if it's in good condition.

>>108349976
>Lenovo Yoga Slim 7
consumer grade 360 hinges usually won't last that long, get a Latitude 7xxx 2 in 1 or X13 yoga

now field testing my laptop on the road is there a way to prevent the screen from shaking so much

>>108350848
Inertial dampeners. Reverse-engineered goa'uld tech.

>>108342080
its inferior in the sense that its slightly thicker and heaver and doesn't even suck my balls off

>>108349710
>>108350552
If it's 768p, how much more should I talk it down?

>>108352295
The price of a 1080p panel so around 40-50€ probably. You could also look for older models that aren't at all worse (T490, T480s) but could be cheaper. Every T480s has at least 1080p IPS, unlike T490/T14G1.