Tanstack edition.>Free beginner resources to get started with HTML, CSS and JShttps://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn - MDN is your best friend for fundamentalshttps://web.dev/learn/ - Guides by Google, you can also learn concepts like Accessibility, Responsive Design etchttps://eloquentjavascript.net/Eloquent_JavaScript.pdf - A modern introduction to JavaScripthttps://javascript.info/ - Quite a good JS tutorialhttps://flukeout.github.io/ - Learn CSS selectors in no timehttps://flexboxfroggy.com/ and https://cssgridgarden.com/ - Learn flex and grid in CSS>Resources for backend languageshttps://nodejs.org/en/learn/getting-started/introduction-to-nodejs - An intro to Node.jshttps://www.phptutorial.net - A PHP tutorialhttps://dev.java/learn/ - A Java tutorialhttps://rentry.org/htbby - Links for Python and Gohttps://quii.gitbook.io/learn-go-with-tests - Learn Go with Tests>Resources for miscellaneous areashttps://github.com/bradtraversy/design-resources-for-developers - List of design resourceshttps://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials - Usually the best guides for everything server related>Need help? Create an example and post the linkhttps://jsfiddle.net - if you need help with HTML/CSS/JShttps://3v4l.org - if you need help with PHP/HackLanghttps://codesandbox.io - if you need help with React/Angular/Vue/wdg/ may or may not welcome app development discussion. You can post and see what the response is.Some app technologies of course have overlap with web dev, like React Native, Electron, and Flutter.We have our own website: https://wdg-one.github.ioSubmit your project progress updates using this format in your posts, the scraper will pick it up::: my-project-title ::dev:: anontools:: PHP, MySQL, etc.link:: https://my.website.comrepo:: https://github.com/user/repoprogress:: Lorem ipsum dolor sit ametPrevious: >>108275562
The great debate
>>108310908weekend edish mu'h fu'hs>tfw can't get gigadrunk because I turn into some kind of wet gremblinsuffering
>>108312245I'm drinking right now. Might be near the Ballmer Peak so I could try to get some work done but I think I'll leave that for tomorrow
>>108311067>The great debateWhy do you even need a mobile application? For a PoC or just turning your shitty website into an app use react native or even better: hypermedia.If you want to build an actual tool that takes advantage of the OS and not just a WebView build it native using Kotlin.Once you realize how hard they make to add an app to stores and how little users are willing to install yet another app you'll see how pointless is to get into this debate.If it's for work just lookup what is more in demand in your area.
>>108312589>Ballmer Peak>0,1337%I lul'd
partial hydration and ssr is confusing. the only way I can tell where its being rendered from is by logging.
>>108312810I have played around with PWAs and they're good, but if you want to reach ordinary users then it probably makes sense to bite the bullet and make something that can go into the App Store and Google Play. Yes that means paying fees to Apple and Google, but the average user these days expects to find apps in those stores. They don't understand the idea of installing a PWA from a browser.>KotlinI don't see the point in writing two functionally identical apps in both Swift and Kotlin when you could just write one app using something like React Native and have it automagically work on both smartphone OSes.
>>108312907Exactly my point. What app could you possibly make that is worth the effort. Even building something in react native means making 2 dynamic versions to simulate Google and Apple ecosystems dynamically.
>>108313080Ah yes of course. "Everything's fucked so don't even try". Guess there's no point making any websites either then.>building something in react native means making 2 dynamic versions to simulate Google and Apple ecosystems dynamically.Surely you can just create one app and test it with both iOS and Android. Then just fix any bugs that arise on either platform.
Can someone explain to me what Tanstack is used for? Naturally, I asked Deepseek and the answer is :"TanStack is a suite of high-quality, open-source libraries for web developers, built with a focus on being headless, type-safe, and framework-agnostic. Instead of being a single product, it's an ecosystem of tools that you can pick and choose from to build modern web applications.The core philosophy behind TanStack is to give you powerful utilities that don't dictate your UI or lock you into a specific framework. You can use them with React, Vue, Solid, Svelte, Angular, or even vanilla JavaScript."So it is just a collection of frameworks? I mean how is that useful given that any project I do will just directly use the frameworks and does not need a collection thingy for them.
>>108310908Astro 6 soon
>start having the "stare at a blank screen" episode since I start abusing AI for workAnyone else still write code manually for their side project?
https://zweiundeins.gmbh/en/methodology/spa-vs-hypermedia-real-world-performance-under-loadSPA FINISHED AND BANKRUPT>>108313844They're a good library with emphasis on doing everything in type system so you get autocomplete everywhere. Personally i find it to be bloat.
>>108315094Based
>>108315074I'm still writing frontend manually. Sonnet 4.6 and opus 4.6 can kinda do it but the api cost can be enormous.(I'm not falling for their jewish subscription tricks so I'm paying raw api costs)I think a year from now when haiku 5 drops is when I'll try getting ai to do frontend again.Btw gemini 3 flash can do it but the demons behind it are psychotic idk what google is feeding them but if they can get them to listen they could take over the world.
>>108315094thank you
>>108315150>inb4 Haiku 5 is also a token munching machine
Rails is dead tech but I see it shilled all the time. DHH needs to accept defeat and that there is zero reason to use Ruby in 2026 when Python and JS/TS have just as fast of development time with infinitely bigger ecosystems and use cases.
>>108315074>Anyone else still write code manually for their side project?yeah, cause automated code can't figure it out
>>108315398Worked as a rails dev a few years ago, changed company and started working with python+FastAPI.Rediscovered the joy of programming with ruby and changed my stack to htmx+Sinatra. Ruby is elegant, quick to prototype and old enough to have a decent ecosystem - specially for the web.Also, since ruby is so idiomatic it's a breeze to vibe code - try to create an app in rails and another on in your stack of preference and see the difference.
>>108315094Maybe I should look at this Datastar thing. But also I guess there's two things to say about Next.js. First is that it's obviously not the only choice for building an SPA, and there are more lightweight alternatives (e.g. Preact). Second is that I guess people are choosing things like Next.js because they're easy to use and they speed up development time. The same reason why people create Electron apps, even though they're much slower when running compared to other cross-platform apps (e.g. Qt apps).
Maintenance over. We're SO back.
You DID do some web dev today, right /wdg/? I did, because my VPS website had a couple issues I needed to fix
>>108317272No. I am stuck in this phase where I am too lazy to start anything.
>>108317272I'm not even studying for the cert, fuck 'em I already do the work my cert is allegedly preparing me for, I will, but there's too much on my plate right now
>>108317272what do you even use your VPS website for?
>>108317305Showing employers how immensely skilled I am
Page 10, /wdg/ is suffering
>>108317432>lose to some random Rajeet because he asks for below minimum wage
>>108317272>his VPS websites has problemsNgmiYou fell for the anti docker hate train meme didnt you
>>108315679>sinatraSo you agree rails is bloat and pointless
>>108320663For small apps, yes. For very big apps that require constant change for managers and clients that can't decide what they want I still prefer rails.
>>108320628Nta but totally agree with you.One of my apps had trouble sending notifications while ignoring the logic I set and on panic I couldn't remember how to stop it, so I just renamed the run.sh file Changed it to podman compose and my life's been a breeze ever since, just run podman compose down.>bloat Yes, but I don't care, my time is precious and I prefer to focus on the code
podman compose down
>>108320687Why podman over docker if you value your time and 99% of the world standardized on docker?
>>108320628I don't use Docker for deployment because it's bloat, but even if I did, it wouldn't have helped in this case
dont cry because its over smile because it happened
>>108322106not over yet, just over-ish
>>108323179>>108322106qrd
>>108323204just the industry is über fucked
>>108323223why not make it illegal?
>>108321667Lighter on the machine and rootless containers, better security by default. Also way easier to install.
The elites dont want you to know thisYou can use AI to generate user scriptsI have 10 tampermonkey scripts at home
>>108323865I've used gpt free tier to gen me mini-bash script one-liners, so far so good
what js web framework would you recommend? no hono
>>108325521>no honoName 3 (three) reasons why not
Your thoughts?
UI updates. Here's the old one from last year.
>>108327441the new vibe
>>108326651Rust is a joy to work with despite what this board says. I have such a hard time using anything else because the toolchains are so modern and lovely.
>>108327449
>>108327461bro learned the word toolchain 3 weeks ago
>>108327799Name a language with a better toolchain? No language I'm aware even let's you export/import code to/from markdown like rustdocs does. Cargo is amazeballs. Making memory leaks near impossible is a sane default. The compiler and its output is outstanding. The only downside IME is the huge binaries and slow compile times.
>>108325521
>imposter syndrome is at it again
>>108310908Briefly checking out tanstack. Why is every framework getting more bloated each and every year?>routeTree.gen.ts>customScript[.]js.ts>posts_.$postId.deep.tsxThis shit is even more black box magic than LaravelNo wonder more and more people are resorting to vibe coding because framework and package authors keep making things more and more complex not even an aerospace engineering degree can help you hereI miss the times when writing software was simple, and we got fast and efficient software out of it
>>1083290103 years and counting 4 me
>>108327441>>108327449>>108327788Cool. I know nothing about financial stuff so I can't say I understand what your web app is meant to do, but it looks interesting>>108328950HTMX looks like a meme to me
>>108329209That's because HTMX is a memeReal men already solved the state-at-scale problem, and it's called React
>>108329223>Real men already solved the state-at-scale problem, and it's called ReactBased and redpilled
>>108327788where are you getting the financial data from? how long has it taken you to put together this?i wanted to build something like this myself
>>108329238Don't get me wrong I hate React just as much as the next person. But all the alternatives suck even more. Same deal with Tailwind
The elites dont want you to know thisBut you can make an SPA out of HTMX and service workersIt still clobbers the DOM though
>>108329363I like React>>108329699I don't see the point in learning HTMX when it's obscure. React just works and there are tons of jobs asking for React experience. Therefore I will keep using React.
>Wep Debelopment>>108329363Vue is pretty nice.
>>108329363>Same deal with TailwindMe when I struggling with naming consistent CSS classes
>>108329703>obscure There's nothing obscure about it, in fact is f dead simple and can be learned in 5 minutes.It allows any DOM element to make HTTP calls to backend (not just GET and POST but all verbs, not just <a> and <form> elements but ANY tag, like span, div, li, etc.Also, instead of creating JSON, sending to backend, parsing, and generating another JSON so frontend can receive, parse and generate more HTML you send a request and the backend returns HTML (same with hypermedia, return XML so the mobile app can render screens).I've used it and it's peak comfy in this madness of SPA frameworks. React and Vue are good options for huge apps than need to scale, but small to medium apps that are just pretty CRUDs don't need all that complexity and adding an attack vector just to avoid a few milliseconds of a black screen - what matter is dev speed and happinesses.>but muh reactivity Add AlpineJS if needed, but in most cases you don't I've created a few apps using FastAPI+htmx and Sinatra+htmx and honestly if feels like fresh air, similar to when I first learned React and none of the added complexity existed, but you do you.
>>108330637you son of a bitch, now I want to smoke, but I'm quitting and I purposefully have none
>>108329350DataBento, but everything in that picture was just mocked. Debugging with real data today.I only started working on the site a couple days ago, but it's not my first time doing one as you can see from my other post. As with anything else in this field the real time is spent learning and understanding the problem. To that end, I've spent the last year building and rebuilding my backend logic - the actual trading system part. Started in Python and was just doing technical-indicator style buggy backtests but now have a robust, low latency system in Rust that has coverage spanning defi MEV to options vol surface arbitrage. I could still easily work on it for another year too, imo.
>>108330637React just works and many jobs want React experienceI guess it's like getting a phone with some obscure Linux-based OS or Android fork. Sure, there are probably some advantages, but standard Android just works, so I'll stick with that
Does anyone here use Hetzner with a Hetzner box for storage? I'm about to take the plunge and start using NGINX. Wish I could've set up a VM first but I'm too lazy and don't like doing things twice.
>page 9
>>108332431I use a different VPS provider
>>108310908>get lazy and buy a react template off of envato>claims to be up-to-date>in reality hasn't been updated in five years>uses create-react-app which is deprecated>fails to build, npm audit fix does nothingim so tired of this shit bros
For me it’s gaslighting would-be-devs into thinking the industry is dead from AI and watching them go bombard some other industry with competition
>>108333693lulz, implying there aren't mass layoffs after mass layoffs after mass layoffs
>>108333708According to /g/ this is year 13 of me losing my job to offshoring, recession, AI, or some combination thereof.
I fucking hate reading AI codes.
>>108331023didn't notice the cigarette, stay strong anon
>>108333558To be fair, why the fuck did you buy a template. You should be writing your React code yourself.>>108333693Very based.
I love laravel.
>>108333481Which one, an (((Epstein VPS)))?https://youtu.be/gHkTLE44X1c
>>108335618thx anon, ur alright
>>108335160I wouldn't like to be looking for a job in this market that's for sure
>>108336300I don't think the company I'm using has any connections to Epstein
>>108331023Read this book and reprogram your mindset. Stop craving drugs like a weakling, and overcome your nicotine demon instead. Thank me later
>>108336625I have nicotine chewing gum, all good
>>108336633Still keeps that shit into your body. Same with patches. Read through this book (just pirate a pdf idfc if you buy it or not) once and you'll see what I mean. Once I finished it I threw all my nicotine away and haven't had a single craving since. You literally have nothing to lose, except a few hours of your life, while you have potentially lots to gain
>>108336208Why? What's to love?
>>108336680easy to write basic CRUD which is all I need for my job.
>>108336680nta, beautiful structure and organization, at the very least for a newbie
Should I learn this? Just to make a simple static site. Apparently you can use React with it so I could write repeated code as a single React component, instead of having to copy and paste HTML (which of course isn't DRY)
>>108325521astro for frontend onlynextjs if you need backend
want to get back into webdev but what's the actual point when chatbots can do it all automaticallyit's over
>>108337448I've applied to junior web dev roles recently but they keep rejecting me because I don't have 10 billion years of experience
>>108337448One must imagine a web dev happy
>>108310908Hello,Referencing https://boards.4chan.org/adv/thread/34326391#topIs web development a good program to take at college after a layoff and divorce?Can I earn an income and be location independent? Can I charge in crypto / cash? Can I easily uproot? Is there a market for it? I have already applied to a trade but I'd be interested in maybe exploring a programming / web dev plan. What are your thoughts?
>>108338002Job market is bad right now
>>108338002this:>>108339333if you want in, you'll have to go through hell and back just for a chance
>>108339536I'm the guy who said it's bad (not the guy who asked if it's a good college program)I'm thinking I should just apply for supermarket jobs. My recent junior web dev applications have all been rejected. Even though I already have worked in the industry before and I have some semi-decent portfolio projects.
>>108339581do both then, get money and keep applying, while still keep practicing web dev on your free time, without going crazy in the process
>>108339631Yeah you're probably right, that would be sensible
>>108340535just remember to take time for yourself, resting, going out with friends, etc. just for mental hygiene
Three.js is becoming massive as I said it would a few years ago (you guys believed me but /gedg/ and /agdg/ didn't). Since webGPU is a thing now, WASM physics engines exist, and three.js being perfect for vibe coding since it's all coding based. Three devs have embraced the idea of vibe coders and make it AI friendly now.Anyways there's a cool new game engine out that seems to use three.js for multiplayer and voxel, you guys should check it out. It's called hytopia. I've seen some people vibecode some really cool shit in it.https://hytopia.com/games/
>>108340570All good advice, thanks anon. I should go for another long walk this week. Need to get some air and exercise even if it's just mild exercise.>>108341293Three.js looks cool. I briefly tried it once but mainly I've focused on bread-and-butter stuff which employers seem to be most interested in (React, Node, etc)
>>108341432Three.js is becoming a more common thing on the web but yeah.Check out this video, I could legit see hytopia becoming a big thing. Nothing ever filled the void of flash games. Those things used to be on every single site.https://youtu.be/gtpuxQP74Qw
Do you like Prisma?
>>108341659No. Mongoose is infinitely better. Drizzle is better if you need SQL. Prisma is ass and creates virtuals that doesn't let you write raw queries easily.
>>108341682Yeah I ended up choosing Mongoose for my project (again). Fuck setting all that shit up for a portfolio project that no one's gonna look at. I'll just "npm i mongoose" and be done with it lmao.
>>108341915First ORM to let you write JSON as your schema for an SQL database is gonna conquer the game
How feasible is it to get steel scheme (rust crate) to run in the browser with a live REPL, with the ability to evaluate s-exprs at point? I'd like to be able to go >(load-file "my-dataset.csv") In a scratchpad and just have a hotkey to evaluate the expression in place over a file-loading UI.
is java a good frotend?
>>108341659I love Prisma Illya
>>108342967no
>>108343402:(
>>108337199>should I buy a 9mm to kill a fly?If it's a static site just write HTML
>>108342967by definition java isn't a fe, it's a be. however in the .net ecosystem they jave a thingie that works in the fe, thus java/spring does have a fe, but under that layer there's js
When do I start using React query and React Redux?
>>108345038Bloat
>>108337199>to make a simple siteLearn Alpine.js.
>>108345309But m-muh latest technology for my static website of 10 users.
>>108345507nta, I'd go for php, obviously if ur restricted to static it isn't an option, else s'good.the pros it's the simplicity, just require/include, ur done. the downside is u need nginx or apache
>>108345659It's a joke, anon.I am getting the hang of React Query and Redux for my portfolio, but I wonder when I should really need it.
>>108337199Yes, Astro is comfy.I have my personal website hosted on it without React even.I am using Astro because it has the island architecture and quite minimal SPA router.You can compile it to a static page.
>>108345666this general should have react users, I'm just not one of them
>>108344028>>108345401>>108345681Maybe I will stick with my dogshit HTML/CSS static site for now, with lots of copied/pasted repetition, but in the future if I can be bothered then Astro might be a good idea.
>>108346659Astro is not a 9mm, it's perfect for lightweight static websites. They probably don't even know what that is.You don't even need to use React, you can create Astro HTML components that you already have and be able to re-use them anyway
>>108345666>>108345038>React Reduxwhenever you need global state and React context providers would be too bloated to use >React querywhenever you just need to fetch some data desu, React query takes care of caching, and updating "out of date" data in the background. It's just a good library that saves a lot of boilerplate
>>108346785I remember seeing someone used Redux for color mode.Might just be unnecessary bloat at that point.Gonna practice React Query then.
kinda makes me wanna create a node tool to handle static sites, like create dynamic footer, header, side-menu, whatever. and compile it100% won't do it cause I don't have fucking time, but I think it'd be kino, I bet you could get away with vibe-coding this
>>108348099whats the use case
>>108346785remember: you do not need global statecompartmentalize it in its own service component instead
>>108348807>have static pages>have dynamic elements>but still static (after compiling)aka dynamic footer/header/sidebar
>>108348899So like Astro.js or React Server Components?Or literally any framework nowadays?
>>108348970never used any of those
>>108348998It's basically what you want to build but already solvedBut your intuition for a need for a tool like that was correct
Redpill me on "AI". At the moment I ask it when I have questions (e.g. "write me the SQL to fetch these columns from these tables I have") but I don't get AI to write me entire files. Should I do that? Or would the results be dogshit slop?
>>108349635this dude is not using claude code in 2026 lul
>>108349645It costs money right? And the results might well just be slop. I tried Gemini CLI briefly. Maybe I should try it again but I bet it would just give me slop.
>>108349709Claude Code is currently the best CLI tool like that. Honestly I don't use other AI tools anymore. But it doesn't give me slop, it gives me good shit
