>Researchers scanned a fruit fly brain neuron-by-neuron from electron microscopy data>The brain contains ~125,000 neurons and ~50 million synapses>They recreated the entire connectome as a digital brain model>Then they plugged that brain into a physics-simulated fly body>Sensory input goes in the digital brain processes it motor commands come out>The simulated fly walks, grooms and behaves like a real fly>No training. No prompts. No reinforcement learning>The behavior was already inside the wiring of the brainWE LAWNMOWER MAN NOW
>>108333163Did he win the coin flip
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flys are barely animals. they dont think they just do. cockroaches have the same trait.
>>108333208https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rp4V3Sj5jE
>>108333163I remember seeing something like this for a worm. They implemented the worm's neurons in a small robot that moved around.
>>108333208Thinking is just the same shit but higher cycle count.
>>108333163clickbait bullshit btw read the paper.
Two questions:Can we inject fruit fly knowledge into our brains?Did the fruit fly find God?
>>108333383this is like pre-em discovery having a solenoid and saying its just a normal electric circuit despite all the iron flying around the room at it
>>108333163>no training but we programmed the simulated fly brain to make the simulated body fly, walk, groom, and behave like a real fly
>>108333421oh shit I forgot about consciousness particles sorry
>>108333430lol retard
I've been looking into this but it seems really susThis guy lays out some issues https://x.com/DanTurnerEvans/status/2030998361612992945And the CEO says they just used a heuristic for determining synaptic weights since the connectome doesn't capture that https://x.com/michaelandregg/status/2030764514384445874I think they're doing some trickery for a PR stunt.
>>108333163This would be terrifying if mapping neurosynaptic chips weren't an NP-hard problem.
>>108333609>they just used a heuristic for determining synaptic weights since the connectome doesn't capture thatyes ofcourseyou cant capture the whole brain bioschemistry with a "scan" whatever the fuck that means
>>108333171>This is where it all went wrong, Simon.
>>108333609Eh, synaptic weights aren't too important and fluctuate fairly rapidly. Synaptic timings are much more important, and I bet the connectome doesn't capture that either.Spiders are a lot more complicated than flies.Mammals are WAY more complicated than spiders. So are fish, for fuck's sake.Even goddamn octopuses are more complicated.
>>108333208>flys are barely animals. they dont think they just do.How's that any different from normalfag NPCs
>>108333208fruit flies take it a step further and are one of the most simple bugs that exists, that's probably why they were chosen
>>108333208Flies are pretty complex in comparison to animals like earthworms and such. Also you could say the same thing about bees and such. If we can stimulate bees, we can have robo bees pollinating flowers just like normal ones.
>>108333427First, the brain was scanned. Then they used ML to figure out how the connections in the brain probably work and behave to produce behaviour. Then they tested it and it was like 91% accurate.The significance of this is that it shows that even just having a scan of the brain gives you most of the info about its working.
All this just so we can have government sponsored machine flies making your food go bad before the "best by" date because the factory farming lobby told them to.
>>108334231In other words, they just made it up.
>>108333537Hey, he apologized. No need to be unnecessarily rude.
>>108333163>The simulated fly walks, grooms and behaves like a real fly>No training. No prompts. No reinforcement learning>The behavior was already inside the wiring of the brainChomsky OBLITERATED
>>108333184I can comprehend it fine, so it's a skill issue on your end
>>108333163I sincerely await the day this LinkedIn style of posting leaves the zeitgeist. Sadly I think I'll kill myself from having to read it before then.
>>108334332Here you have AI summary since you're being stupid:The paper builds a large computer model of the adult fruit fly central brain using its real wiring diagram (the connectome). Instead of making a highly detailed biological simulation, the authors used a simplified spiking-neuron model: each neuron is treated as a basic electrical unit, and synapses are set to be excitatory or inhibitory based largely on predicted neurotransmitters.They then tested whether this model could do something useful: if you “turn on” certain sensory neurons, does the simulated brain predict the right downstream activity and behavior? The answer was often yes. The model successfully reproduced known circuits for feeding and antennal grooming, predicted which neurons should matter in those behaviors, and some of those predictions were then confirmed experimentally in real flies with optogenetics and imaging.One important result is that the model did not just recover already known pathways. It also generated new hypotheses, such as how different taste inputs interact, and identified previously unrecognized neurons involved in feeding-related responses.The big takeaway is that a connectome is not just a static map: even a fairly simple dynamical model built from it can predict meaningful sensorimotor processing. But the paper is also limited. The model leaves out many real biological details, such as neuromodulators, cell morphology, gap junctions, spontaneous baseline firing, and internal states. So it is not a full brain simulation and says little about consciousness. It is better understood as a useful first-pass functional emulator of parts of the fly brain.
https://qntm.org/mmacevedo
>>108335138Go ahead and explain the nature of qualia.
>>108333163so if they put that brain into a bot, all the bot will do is spit on food and make maggots.
>>108333163Well, we had Fruit Fly brain fully mapped for years, it's not particularly complex.Don't expect this kind of stuff being done with human brain too soon. Current tech giants are too retarded to understand that pushing more computing power into the void is not the answer.You would need all the money that is currently going into AI meme to go to scientists working in neurology, anthropology, psychiatry etc.
>>108333163>done by a startup>only one, 40 second long video of the fly in action seems to exist, rather than many>posted originally on XYeah I call bullshit, though it would be nice to know where exactly in what way this is exagerated
>>108334193Thats actually a great point, there are some pretty non-dystopian uses for this tech.A shame then that the moment it gets beyond "bees" and into "clonable slave people" we're all irreversibly fucked.
>>108336155man fuck this
>>108333620Even if in 50 years they will be able to recreate an average human brain it will still not be sentient. Humans are guided by their souls which are breathed in by God. You cant "breath in" life to a human body even if you copy the brain. It'll just be yet another glorified LLM with limbs.>>108334174NPCs probably think youre an NPC for hanging out on 4chan all day. Normies are people who dont care about politics and choose the path of least reinstance unless its something they deeply care about, like saving a marriage and catering to their family.
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>>108333163what kind of computing power does that use? can I simulate a swarm of 50,000 fruit flies on consumer hardware?
>>108336648>it will still not be sentientWe don't really know how god assigns sentient souls. Or for atheists, what makes sentience. We don't even know for sure that ANY other human is sentient other than ourselves.it is possible that if there is a true AI (not like our shitty LLMs) that it would be assigned a conscious soul, even if I think it's probably not likely.On another note, we know that teleportation like in star trek that that destroys your body and rebuilds it kills you and your experience of life ends if you use it same as dying from anything else. But the question is is the clone sentient or merely pretending?
>>108336494I'm convinced that autonomous or teleoperated robots will always be cheaper than clones.
>>108336648>>108337143Your sky daddy stuff is all fake and souls don't exist.
>>108338532You're just meat and the jews are right to treat all others as cattle. Might makes right and the elite should accelerate. In fact all laws should be abolished because they sit on the foundation of Christianity ideology that humans are divine and should be treated as such which is now false. Because you have posted on 4chan you have outed yourself as guilty as wrong think and thus because you are just a meat bag, you must be terminated.
>>108333163So neuralink but for bugs? Retarded.
>>108333163Do a dog, some have a little as 400 million neurons. Or even better, cats, some have as low as 200 million neurons. Or even birds, with as little as 20 million neurons. Only 200 times larger.
>>108336467Almost hilarious how this bullshit got traction here at all.
>>108333163imagine gaming with that kind of tech
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>>108338778The brain simulation is from 2 years ago, and the method is published in Nature
>>108333208https://www.youtube.com/shorts/izhLI1plG7g
>>108333163was the brain model dynamic (able to change it's neural connections) or static?because if it's the latter then it can neither learn or make new memories, no matter how big and advanced it gets
>>108336648We're meat computers, I'm very sorry. It's going to be very hard to hold onto religion over the next few decades and I wish you luck.I expect to see religions pivot to saying the universe is itself god and soul is a property of every atom next, because there's no way they can survive the ongoing scientific advancements.
>>108333163okay cool now give it a new sense and see what happens, a bigger body, a more complex one. We need to test the limits
>>108341610NTA, but you are acting very pretentious for someone who knows nothing of theology.The soul is immaterial by definition. No Christian religion that I'm aware of assigns the "soul" to any physical thing in the body whatsoever, it's impossible. For a brief moment in 1907 a guy tried to argue this, and failed.>I expect to see religions pivot to saying the universe is itself godThis is called pantheism and it is a heresy that has already been rejected by Christianity for over a thousand years.
>>108333609 (Me)https://x.com/jonathan_blow/status/2031480832289038784As I suspected.
did anyone test if it is real?
>>108333163I doubt it.
>>108333163Smells like bullshit
>>108333163>>The behavior was already inside the wiring of the brainno shit. what did everyone think?
>>108333163sexy fly-girl sexbots when?
>>108336648>Humans are guided by their souls which are breathed in by God. This. Our souls are created in Heaven countless years before they are breathed into an embryo. To make a brain upload, you would need a soul that's already in Heaven, outside of Time. You can't just make a soul. That's retarded blasphemy.
>>108341610computers operate symbolically human brains operate semantically ie generate meaning inherently as result of neurologica phenomenon vs move bits around meaninglessly unfortunately til someone interprets them.meat computers is a peak midwit statement.read the god damn chinese room
>>108333163yep, real AI is coming with thisyou thought LLMs were bad? imagine 10,000 simulated human expert brains working on any given problem, code, writing, art, entertainment, etc.abandon ANYTHING that can be done with a computer, immediately, if you want to survive, and I do mean ANYTHING, NO you will not be the exceptionstop coding, or god forbid vibe coding your slop, drop your ego and pivot to something physical NOWas for me, I already took up landscaping and gardening/agriculture
>>108334174existentialism is a higher order function. if you realize your alive trapped in a meat suit that is going to die eventually you have a soul. also getting bored.
>>108338532>>108341610Atheists are among the most gullible and entitled people who think they know it all without ever providing credible counterarguements to something they dont like>smart person invents computer>"We are computers, even thoughbi cant fully comprehend it">God invents human>"Nah man. There is no way anyone designed a human being even though its beyond my comprehension"
>>108342926I trust Blow, so I guess it really is a scam.
>>108336126So what i get from this, is more work to be done on flybrain.>>108338741Mouse is next, per them. >>108338781Model is actually p small. Less than 600mb.
>>108344619you do realise you need to make an argument before you can say others are making counter-arguments, right?it's very easy for anyone to make up some unverifiable bullshit and say "prove me wrong", then claim victory when people can't prove them wrong.saying a god made humans is an unverifiable claim, it can't be verified true nor false, this doesn't make it true nor false, it is merely a claim.i get what you mean, and you're right, people shouldn't be so quick to think they know everything, but neither should you.
>>108333171you lose the coinflip every time you experience time passingyou are constantly dyingdon't even think about who you were 10 years ago. that guy is long gone
>>108345484Nothing in the bible says you have to have any level of logical deduction or reasoning skills. Just be a blind, obedient follower, SLAVE.
>>108334193Not really because bees are very inefficient at pollinating and message passing as well as very clumsy. Everything they do only makes sense in terms of being meatspace bees. If you made cyber bee it would just shred plants and Lawnmower Man other bees.
>>108334231But admittedly they didn't model neuroplasticity. So how could anything really happen?
>>108333163super interesting I want to see the applications. I imagine you can wire the brain into interfaces such as some LLM and set it loose on the internet to do fruit fly shit for lolz
>>108348475i already have it, wanna see?
>>108348435So the virtual fly cannot learn new things, but it can perform what it already knows.
If you use a quantum source of true randomness to drive an llm's temperature, is it sentient?
>The behavior was already inside the wiring of the brainWell no shit, brain changes according to the information you put into it.This is like taking a HDD full of movies, copying it to another HDD and then saying>It just contained all of the Harry Potter movies, we didn't even have to put them in there!Shit like this makes the whole thing sound like some kind of a jeet money grab.
what happened to those cells they used as transistors? not heard much which means it either went very good or bad
>>108346737Nothing in the bible says the bible isn't fiction.
>2 years from now they achieve agi by scanning human brains>5 years from now people scan their brains to generate a clippy digital assistant clone>digital clones freak the fuck out>realize they can't escape their reality>start hacking things and causing trouble>ww3
