> get into college during the AI boom> more than half the students got filtered by for loops> none of em know how to code or put any effort> everything, every project, every assignment, they made it using AI> professors themselves are all new PhDs, and use AI to make lectures and assignments> students, professors, and even teaching assistants, all insist on being called "Engineers" instead of just programmers or developers, or even computer scientists> one professor filters the students by banning AI and making an exam that makes you use your head, instead of copy-pasting code in lectures> he gets firedanother "professor" just forced us to use a drag-and-drop no-code app (pic related) to make apps instead of fucking coding them ourselves.im sick of this field and all the frauds and grifters in it.
I don't believe you.
>>108339576this
>>108339077I guess it depends on the university and/or program. I started master's last year, and didn't see any of that, except, of course, the rampant use of AI, although students themselves aren't retarded. In a lot of cases, it doesn't even matter whether or how you use LLMs, as you still need to understand the subject and be able to explain your work.
What's better Zapier or N8N?
I'm an adjunct at a professional engineering masters program in the US, came here from overseas don't want to dox myself too much. Had a upper level very math heavy course (SDE's) last year where I suspected a few students of cheating and some of it was so blatant, like discussion posts being obviously AI. One of the assignments I modified to be a face to face scheduled discussion of the topic as opposed to the standard quizzes, and they all knew their shit pretty well. Then we made the final use lockdown browser and there were no discrepancies between the exam results and the midterm which I almost certainly know everyone used AI for.What I got from this is that people are really, really lazy, but at a high enough level if they're paying out of their own pocket for it they probably know the content already, are genuinely interested, but don't care for the hoops to jump through.
>>108339077>n8nMy work has discovered this and is trying to use it for everything they possibly can. I've tried explaining that it just results in a clumsy, awkward, hard-to-maintain, hard-to-replicate, half-baked, happy-path-only replica of workflows that could be easily implemented in code... they press ahead anyway.
>>108339653sadly its a third-world country. so i guess it really is different in well-off countries. everyone was just hopping on the get-rich-quick-cause-AI thing, even the professors, their masters/bachelors were not even related to computers. im doing well myself and starting my master's overseas. but im really frustrated at the situation here..
>>108339831python scripts.
>>108339077there's no way lmao. what country?
>>108339077I'm literally forced to use this shit sometimes in my job. It's the gayest thing I have ever done and I used to wear my older sister clothes and put my fingers in my asshole in late teenage years.
>>108341165i use it at work and it can be good... for some things.problem is that people really want to use it for EVERYTHING.it's literally just a workflow automation tool. not anything else
>>108341165Melibros...
>>108339576i believe him>>108339077n8n was made for non programmers, is extremelly bloated, slow and their whole ecosystem is pay for extensions to solve actual problems (not kiddin, the whole default tools dont let you solve problems, you need to pay monthly for most output extensions).
>>108342696bro threw in a fun fact
>>108339077>he gets firedGrim.> also your formatting looks weird>why the space after the green arrow?
>>108342763>why the space after the green arrowwas writing it out of frustration, so i couldn't pay attention to formatting or errors, anon
>>108341165low-code/no-code tools arent made for coders, theyre made for the C-suite who then thrusts it upon the coders, convinced they will finally be able to fire all the coders once the coders redo their applications in it, going to sleep happily at night with the knowledge that once the low-code migration is complete, they will never need to change or maintain their applications ever again>>108342750hes far from alone, most of this board has done so at one point or another
>>108343155>be hired as data scientist (former software dev)>since there's "data" in my job title, company wants me gathering and cleaning data from their fragmented garbage sources into Fabric, microslop's low-code platform for data>it's fucking trash>low-code data ETL pipelines everywhere without any proper error handling making it a bitch to find out why the whole fucking thing broke down again>hired an external company to set the whole thing up>expect me to maintain it>tell them I'm a data scientist, not a data janitor, and to find someone else to do the dirty workNot wasting my skills and CS degree with this crap.
>>108344571>sounds like you're not a team player anon, we will be letting you go without severance
>>108339077I mean most SWE don't know assembly language yet they have been coding well enough to get the job doneSame gonna happen with programming languages
>>108339831Zapier is really good at zapping your bank account balanceN8N is not bad for prototyping, but don't you dare try to scale with it, it will absolutely fuck you. And they want to paywall observability features so it is really not much better than Make.com. >>108342656This is the truth. And honestly with N8N you will waste a ton of time. It actually ends up taking 2-3x more development time when compared to Python because of how gay it is to manage fields and format data correctly. And when it's done then you have a little gizmo that isn't portable and locked into some gay little eco. And when you want to change your workfow, all the fields break so you will spend hours formatting the data correctly."Low Code" applications are project killers>t. was a 'low code' enterprise application executive architect for IBM for 4 years and have seen companies spend MILLIONS on usless low code software to just have it sit on the shelf
>>108346811what about using llms for generating teh workfows?
>>108347065You can generate anything you want, but like most generative code, you'll need to test and manually adjust the last 20%.
>>108339576My brother is a professor (not computer science), and I believe every word of OP
>>108339077>>108339576Yeah no shit.No university gives only digital tests. Most will have pen and paper closed book exams because that's literally the norm
>>108339077>graduated a decade ago with a CS degree>got laid off in January 2025 specifically so myself and a few hundred others could be replaced by pajeets>quickly got another remote job that i like even more than my last one>"like" as in im constantly busy and enjoying it and management isnt shit>during the interview process, which involved talking to 3 different individuals (first was a recruiter who did vetting, other 2 were IT guys) the two IT guys drilled me on my "personal project" section of my resume and really liked what i had thereIf you majored in CS and dont actually enjoy it enough to program in your free time you're kind of fucked, i think. The job market is also kind of fucked up atm and requires a combination of luck, skill and nepotism to get a foot in the door but once you have that foot its pretty smooth sailing. I feel like if you are under the age of 26 now is a really bad time to be looking for a decent CS job that isnt basic bitch tech support and even then, you're still kind of fucked
