>normal price>good screen>good battery life>good keyboard>good trakcpad>metal chassis>literally who gives a fuck about performance it's not my desktop>software support for a decade or more because it's an Apple productThink this is the frist time Apple has made something that I actually want to buy and might actually be willing to pay MSRP for. I want a nice screen, a battery that isn't garbage, and an operating system that's not Windows. All I'll end up doing with it is watching Jellyfin, streaming games over Moonlight, and watching porn so honestly I don't see a much better option at the price point. Where's the catch bros, make me hate Apple again
>implying>implying>implying
Who are you quoting?
Man, are these iNiggers reallu going to drop $600 on a laptop with USB 2.0?
>>108339082buy an ad you insufferable apple faggot
>>108339181>two completely different ports with nothing to distinguish themamazing just works(tm)now grandma can wonder why her one usb-c port is so slow
>>108339208I'm specifically asking you to talk me out of it because there's no way /g/ is gonna say yes to an apple product and I'm too retarded to see the issue>>108339181And I'll probably not use either of them for anything other than charging anyway
>>108339214>now grandma can wonder why her one usb-c port is so slowApple literally announced that macOS will warn you when you plug in your monitor into the wrong port
>>108339082>8GB RAM>256GB SSD>Normal price
>>108339246Find me a better screen and battery life in the price range, performance be damned, and you'll have successfully talked me out of it. 8 gb of RAM is enough to run firefox and 256 gb is enough to install firefox.
>>108339243>extra popup to teach users how their shitty ports workwow very intuitivetruly the masters of user interface design
>>108339296I want to do more with my laptop than browse Facebook and Twitter.
>>108339340I don't see how that relates to my use case anon, you're not the one who needs to be convinced out of a macbook
>>108339303I think it actually really is more intuitive for the average clueless person. If Neo had symbols near the ports, no zoomer or grandma would know what they mean anyway
>>108339362The most intuitive thing would be to simple use an USB-A port. Immediately suggests something possibly older and has color coding.Or even better, just don't cheap out on the USB-C port.
>>108339082Literally a phone in a laptop chassis.
>>108339371Honestly I do kinda wish it had a USB-A port. I get why they didn't (I don't AGREE with it but I GET it) but it would've been nice. But then again, not like I'd have used it.>>108339403Which is precisely what I wish was an existing product category already. The only options are either a shitty tablet or a Chromebook.
>>108339433Hang the fuck on can you install Mint on a Chromebook? Might have talked myself out of it
>>108339082>All I'll end up doing with it is watching Jellyfin, streaming games over Moonlight, and watching porn so honestly I don't see a much better option at the price pointYou should buy overpriced garbage, anon. It fits you
>>108339469I don't see how it's overpriced, that's the whole issue. The fuck else would you get with as good a screen at that price? It's obviously more money than it should cost but as far as I can tell no one else is making a laptop with such low specs paired with such a good monitor and if I want a screen this good elsewhere I'm 4 digits deep into a laptop whose only job will be to keep me entertained when I'm away from home
>>108339433There hasn't been any USB A on any MacBooks since 2015 iirc
>>108339540Yeah fuckin hate that ngl, this is probably the only macbook they ever made where that even approaches excusable rather than pants on head retarded
>>108339082It's a solid setup for people who aren't smart with tech. That's really the nicest thing I can say about it.i'm not it's demographic.
>>108339595What would you get instead if you were in my shoes cause I can't think of fuckin anything
I fucking hate chromebooks so much I really hope this wipes them the fuck outUnfortunately since Google has every school raped up the ass into retarded contracts and Google Classroom use it'll probably only be college kids and etsy moms buying this crap
>>108339622I mean at this price point there will definitely be a market for it, be it schools or not>>108339448also nvm I remembered chromebooks are cheap and have shit screens
>>108339082Yes it's good. I just don't like using apple software and Asahi Linux is meme
>>108340737I wouldn't say I LIKE apple software but it sure as fuck beats Win11 or ChromeOS
>>108340842Also phones notwithstanding, iOS is nigh unusable but MacOS is totally workable for me
>>108339181USB 2.0 and Sata speeds are actusally good
>>108339082>good battery lifeso it turns out this was a lie
>>108339403phone SoCs are fast enough outside of:external displays, USB bandwidth, memory capacity, and disk bandwidth
>>108339082can i run arch on it
>>108340915is it an ARM processor? yes? then it has good battery life. Does it not have an ARM chip? then it gets 2 hours and it already conks out by the time it says it has 20% remaining.
>>108339618For me the biggest drawback is the very low RAM and that you're limited to using macos, which feels like a toy systemBut anyway this will probably cost at least 150 more in Europe, due to tariffs and customs fees, so this price is only available in some countries
>>108341078Well sure those are less than ideal but again the alternative is, as far as I can tell, spending well over 1k, which for my use case is just uper not worth it
>>108339181no, I'm buying myself a mbp. My mom would probably get a lot of use out of this though.
Intel Lunar Lake and Panther Lake laptops have better battery lifewhat the FUCK apple
>>108341147That's understandable, women literally have 10% smaller brains than us men. If you care about her you might want to warn her thats she's getting fleeced like a sheep.
>>108339296And a better single core performance than ANYTHING from AMD or Intel in a laptop.
>>108341134Well if you're willing to defaggotize Win11 of all the AI crap, here's a contender:https://www.bestbuy.com/product/microsoft-surface-pro-copilot-pc-12-touchscreen-snapdragon-x-plus-16gb-memory-256gb-ufs-device-only-platinum/JJGXPXT353/sku/6623676/openbox?condition=fairSnapdragon X Plus seems to shit all over the A18 Pro phone chip.Though the screen might be better on the Neo, I give you that.
This thing is literally a toy till the asahi linux kernel supports all it's hardware.
>>108341241qualcomm and windows. no thanks.
>>108339082How about some innovations apple
>>108341257You could probably install some Linux distro on it and have it any way you wantThe upshot is that the CPU is better in multithreading, it has more bandwidth and it supports 64GB RAM. With the Neo you're always going to be locked with 8. And the same OS.
>>108341274i fucking hate qualcomm. i'd just buy x86 instead.
>>108341257Also forgot: that Surface Pro has a touchscreen so if you want a bedtime device, it can be used without a trackpad too.Much comfier than being stuck with only laptop mode
>>108341241>defaggotize win11the technical term is installing linux but that shit's almost double the price, not to mention it looks more like a glorified tablet than a conventional laptop
Youtubers are saying the chip inside this is stronger than the M1 Macbook chip is this true or fake? Because some are also saying that it won't do any video editing but then how can that possibly be true?
>>108341290I actively do not want that but I can understand the benefit for those who do
This is such a weird deviceI was thinking it could possibly replace ipads that have been forced into begin work machines but the more I'm looking at it, the ipads look like they'll actually be a lot better and have more usesWho is this for?
>>108341326I want the functionality of an iPad but I don't like tablets so I want one that makes me think it's a laptop. And laptops don't have touchscreens or mobile OSes or I/O on their screens or more than one part that hinges.
>>108339403so are all their other recent machines all running arm slop socs with ram soldered to the cpu
>>108340063to be fair you literally dont need more i use an iphone 11 at work for ios dev and you can do high quality video over the lightning cable what more do you need kek. would never daily drive an iphone though i did for a couple weeks when my previous phone died and i hated ios
>>108341326>the ipads look like they'll actually be a lot betterthis will never be the case because they're not running macos.
You think I can play some of my lower specced weebshit games on my Macbook Air M4. I could always resort to Steam Link, but I kinda want to see how far something like CrossOver gets.
>>108339082>>good keyboard>108339082Every laptop without a numpad is useless.
>>108342405Yes, you would be surprised what you can do with these machines+crossover
>>108339082>literally who gives a fuck about performanceIf it's on par with an M1 as they say, then performance should also be pretty good.
>>108342419I don't use mine even though I have it, wouldn't miss it honestly.>>108342511Neat if true but I wouldn't have high hopes
>>108342405I play switch games on my m4 air mostly without issue
>>108343413Does PS2 emulation also work fine? I know PCSX2 is kind of a mess but it would be neat if it did.
>>108343499Oh it's this autist again. Did the Bangladeshi call center you work for let you out for lunch or something?
The reviews are releasing now. This thing is going to dominate in the US market
>>108339082I already bought a used M2 Macbook for the same price 1 ½ years ago.
>>108339082>has a one usb-c port that limited to over 20-year-old usb 2.0 speedsKEK
>>108341078German MSRP is 699.
>>108343627it isn't an apple thread without this based schizo.also, apple bricks devices making it impossible to do a factory reset to prolong use. This is even after Apple's green-washing campaign. You know the one.
>>108339082And not only that; it's the perfect opportunity to give the middle finger to microslop and break free from their bs.Apple unironically made a winning move here.
>699€ in germany>799€ if you want touch id>could just buy the m4 air in black for 899€this shit sucks without the student discount
>>108340904microshart serfdom users in shambles kek
>>108344247>it's the perfect opportunity to give the middle finger to microslopI'm really giving tim apple a shot here and jumping in, we'll see.
>>108341264>foldable >penlol, all foldable screens are soft and have a crease in the middle,you scratch it with a pen and the crease won't let you draw a straight line. foldables are gimmick garbage
>>108341473I really don't see the issue with ARM, the alternative is X86 and that means a battery life measured in minutes rather than hours>>108343577Yeah except I can't get an old apple product cause then the whole point of having eons of software support goes out the window and you can't install Lunix on it like you can on a W*ndows machine>>108343786I'm Dutch, although msrp is the same here fwiw>>108344247I already have on my desktop, right now I just lack a laptop and there's no compelling laptops on the market except for, unfortunately, this piece of Apple garbage>>108344350not even coping but I probably wouldn't even use touch ID if it was free, I didn't even have a password on my old laptop
>>108339082It's afraid.
>>108339082can it run linuks?
>>108339082that's not an x220, so no. As you say: >it's not my desktop, so who gives a fuck about performancecorrect, I need something that will last forever, be repairable even in the jungles of the congo and trenches of ukraine, and will feel good to type on.
>>108339082>>literally who gives a fuck about performance it's not my desktopIt's unironically faster than Lunar Lake. It's faster than all those $1000-1500 handheld "gaming" PCs for half the price.
>>108346593yeah it's faster (in certain tasks, until it throttles)
>>108346596I doubt it will. It has the A18 pro or whatever. It's a phone chip that maxes out at like 10W. That might be a lot for a smartphone but for a 13.3" laptop that's easily passively cooled.
>>108346593Even Steam Deck has 16 GB ram.I don't think wearing out a soldered SSD with constant swap is a good idea.
>>108346474if it could I'd have bought an M1 macbook long ago and ran mint on that shit>>108346593>>108346596>>108346676my old laptop had an i3-4000M, and that would honestly be fine for me if it just weren't so goddamn power hungry
You may as well slap a pride sticker on that thing because it will make you a fucking faggot.
>>108346878no I think the amount of dicks I take in the ass is what makes me a faggot actually but nice try
>>108346750the steam deck is a gaming device. games need vram/ram. this laptop is not a gaming device. yes, eventually swapping will wear out the flash, but how fast will that happen? 2 years? that's a problem. 15 years? not a problem.
people acting like 8gb won't be enough to go on eBay and watch Youtube videos in 5 years loli use a cheap 4gb ARM chromebook and i can have 10+ tabs open and a youtube video playing in the background no problem
>>108346582I'd love an X220 if an X220 had a really nice screen and long battery life but unfirtunately it has neither so it's off the table for me unfortunately
>>108347670people have been modding both those things into them for decades. this is a technology board
>>108347711They'll be better than what they had stock but if I wanna spend an entire day away from the wall I get the feeling it's either gonna have a gigantic ass hanging out the back of it or it's just not gonna happen outright. Also um akschyually it's less than 20 years old so it can't have been happening for decades
>>108347761new chips can easily do 16h on linux, my ryzen T16 would do 16h SoT of remote coding with vscode and browsing and all I had to tweak was cpu voltage a little bit. Work gave me an m4 max now and it's much slower than my T16 at everything including AI when actually under load. The battery also drains faster for random reasons for eg running a light go server drains it in like 4h. T16 didn't have this problem because it's not an ARM chip hyperoptimized for running javascript.
>>108347791Funny looking X220 that is
>>108347851I can't recall the name of the Chinese manufacturer that puts new mobos into old tp chassis but I'm sure they're still operating. Saw anons discussing it a few days ago. My comment about the T16 is just to let you know that MacBooks don't have the monopoly on battery life anymore since Linux+Ryzen has been a thing. Don't be rude anon
>>108347871>MacBooks don't have the monopoly on battery life anymore since Linux+Ryzen has been a thing.Yeah but the problem is those are too expensive (and overspecced) as demonstrated by my screenshot. Macbooks were too until this new shitheap came out which as far as I can tell is perfect for my use case in every way except for the fact it doesn't run lunix. Basically I just want the functionality of a tablet, in the shape of a laptop, running a real OS. I don't need 16 gb of ram or 1 tb of storage or 8 cores @ 12.8 GHz to log onto fucking Jellyfin. What I need is battery life, a nice screen, and for it to not cost a third of my salary.
>>108347973open box x12, got mine for 300$ it was basically new. Screen definitely better than most tps but idk if as good as the MacBook. Anyway, fair enough. I'm warning you though if you ever want to do any kind of dev on it, even remote dev, or if you don't like your windows cluttered like a fuck all the time, this thing is gonna drive you nuts. I really hate macos.
>>108348056Yeah if I thought that'd ever be a thing I'd do on it then the thought wouldn't even cross my mind. I'm 100% serious when I say Jellyfin, Youtube, Moonlight, and porn will be the totality of what it will be used for. I wish I didn't hate tablets.
but is it AI ready™ with a dedicated Microsoft® CoPilot™ key?
>>108347791this is obviously bullshit. you want to prove you even have an m4 max?
>>108339082no it's perfect for your usecase i'd buy itthe only catch is probably their shitty customer service
Someone in here will probably have a recommendation so I'll try it:what's a decent, somewhat recent laptop to have as a secondary computer for when I need to have a non-work computer out of the house, but when I'm at home I'll almost never use over my desktop? Everything high-end and nice seems to want to be my daily driver, and everything cheap enough to be a secondary device feels like shit to use. The Neo actually seems to be close to what I want, but I am very open to other ideas. Especially anything that doesn't include that stupid fucking Copilot key >>108348162
>>108348186you mean apple's famous good service with dedicated apple stores and the genius bar? have you ever used apple support?
>>108348178suck my pp
>>108348238so why is everything else you're saying so wrong?
>>108348258because it's not, show me your m4 max faggot and tell me about your experience. You sound like a fanboy choking on benchmarks
>>108339082Honestly with the rise of everything elses price its not TOO bad a deal when you look at the rest of the market.It has a great microphone and camera, the build quality is top notch, the screen is great and it should get great support down the line. BUT the performance is absolutely a key factor to look at and it does only have 8gb of ram + efi on its hard drive to consider.If theres no way to get a Linux distro on it then its performance will tank into the floor once apple start vibe coding all of their updates for it.Its not like its performance is TERRIBLE or anything, it can manage 50fps on cyberpunk on lowest settings which is extremely good for any laptop not designed for gaming plus its been shown to do light editing work just fine.All in all I think its a good deal (at $500) for a brand new well supported laptop and this is coming from a lifetime hardcore crapple hater. If they'd historically made more laptops at this kind of price point they probably would have won more of the PC market share a while ago.
>>108348277don't have an m4, sorry.
>>108348303my wife's m1 had a battery life better than this pos but it was the same thing as soon as you ran a non-browser load on it. I imagine that's why apple made the entire OS UI fucking javascript, at least they had the decency to nicely integrate it with older UI elements unlike windows. It's really horrid, go binaries compiled on this machine sending maybe a couple thousand requests per hour drain it so fast. Battery life really doesn't scale linearly to load like it does with Ryzen. Between 5-100% load you're looking at 4-1h of battery life. Again this is because they have hyperoptimized for specific tasks and the "general compute" part is supposed to sit unused 99% of the time.
>>108341264>screen keyboardno thanks
>>108339082The macshit neo is a locked down pile of shit. Even a chromebook is better for computer professionals
>>108341241>defaggotize Win11>ARM laptopYou can't run those debloat apps on ARM and a lot of Windows apps and games don't even work on ARM.All the downsides of Windows 11 without any of the positives.
>>108343454PCSX2 works fine on my M4. 5-8W power usage.
>>108349531>Chromebook>computer professionals
my worked ordered a few that should be arriving early next week, some sort of promotional deal apple is offering to rope people into using them for enterprise. Our regular laptops are thinkpad x1, but they're looking into the neos for a cheaper option.
>>108339082Most of my apps don't work on mac
>>108349549Macs can't run most Windows apps and games either. You get an added bonus of being locked to a toy OS
>>108349554damn. My thinkpad uses 10.5W to play a youtube video and 7W to run LibreOffice.
>>108349580It runs the ones that are worth running however. Linux would've grown a lot more by now if it just supported Adobe shit.
>>108339082WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU GET THIS WHEN YOU COULD GET A 5 YEAR OLD M1 PRO THAT HAS 1.5X THE MULTICORE PERFORMANCE FOR THE SAME PRICE
>>108349549Prism runs pretty much every x86 program on ARM.
>>108349611a real 14"/16" m1 pro, or the 13" pro?
>>108339082More 8gb ram ewasteThank you appleThank you ai
>>108349667It's mostly meant to be for schools or people that don't do much beyond web browsing.
>>108349531who gives a shit nigga will it run firefox for the next 10 years yes or no>>108349572I'm not asking why you shouldn't buy it I'm asking why I shouldn't buy it>>108349611Because in 3 years it's gonna stop getting the latest Mac OS and then it's a paperweight, if I'm gonna buy Apple it has to be new, if I'm buying used it has to be able to run Linux
>>108349601https://videocardz.com/newz/adobe-photoshop-can-now-install-on-linux-after-a-redditor-discovers-a-fix>>108349611>why would you buy something new with applecare when you buy a used machine with unknown history and no warranty repair?!>>108349667pc manufacturers are going to clone the shit out of the neo including new models with 8gb ram.
>>108348278anon you're pretending like vibe coding isn't already a thing in the linux world. who do you think is going to be better at maintaining standards, trannies and anonymous fucking jeets or professionals subject to apples anal corporate culture. i wish fanboys would stop pretending that linux is so fucking amazing, especially when apples os is actual posix unix that is actually tested before roll out. even fucking linus half-assed an update and broke the kernel. fucks sake people, who are really the fanboys here?
>>108349611I hope this helps you understand the answer to your questionOne day /g/ users will realize they are not the target audience
>>108350707KEK
>>108341264Aren't folding phones still breaking after a while?I wouldn't trust such tech on a laptop.The concept looks cool but touch keyboards are pretty bad, even people using tablets usually buy a physical keyboard.
>>108341078>you're limited to using macos,What about Asahi?
>>108352916only for some M1 and M2 macs and the main tranny dev that did all the hard technical work on hardware drivers quit so its a dead project, dont buy any mac expecting to be able to run linux on it outside of maybe a vm, but you're not doing that on these 8gb models
>>108352938i bet A18 Pro doesn't support hardware virtualization at all (the A12Z dev kit doesn't support virtualization)https://kb.parallels.com/en/131100
there is no equivalent to macsmacs have:>soldered SSD/RAM/WLANdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>when pajeetOS runs out of RAM it swapfile rapes the SSD to death within 3 yearsdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>when the SSD dies it bricks your entire currybook because the EFI is stored on the soldered SSD to save $0.05 on a dedicated chipdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>components serial numbered and tied to the motherboard to prevent repair and replacement (including battery)doesnt exist on 99% of PCs>riveted keyboard that requires total destruction of the chassis to replacedoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>flexgate cables that are so brittle they crack from opening your screen past 90 degrees more than 2 dozen timesdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>screens so fucking shit they have over 90ms response times (essentially 10Hz)doesnt exist on 99% of PCs>screen made from pajeet trash glass that cracks from temperature change in seasons or tape over the iBotnet webcamdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>so fire and explosion prone the FAA have banned them from all flightsdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>uses phone CPU that's so shit it gets destroyed by decade old i3s from 2017 and can only "compete" by cheating at benchmarks in extreme edge cases with hardware acceleratorsdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>curryniggers at apploo get so full of sniffing their own currynigger silicon shit they ship currybooks with no fans and they run so hot they melt the keyboard keysdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>keyboards with 63.5% failure rateunheard of on PCs, and yet you curryniggers defend it with "jus werx fer me!"just because you're in the 36.5% survivor group doesn't make your currynigger trash any goodthis list goes on foreverthere's no PC laptop as total fucking currynigger shit as crapple's streetshitter booksthey are the biggest heaps of steaming currynigger shit in the history of computing second only to curryPhones
>>108339082Serious question. Would this thing be enough to get me through a CS degree?
>>108352916if you have to rely on shit like that to get it working at all then I don't want to put up with it cause you just KNOW it's not gonna be reliable long term
>>108346474Not yet, but Asahi Linux will probably have support for it in ~3 months.
>>108353420m3 support in two weeks, m4 support in a month, m5 support in two months right?
>>108352950no normie buying this will be doing virtualization you moron
>>108352965No. Should you even be doing a CS degree if you don't know that already? in 4 yrs as a grad you'll never get a job.
>>108341264>touch screen keyboardliterally kys.
>>108344395Based
>>108352957You are spamming this on multiple threads even after it gets removed. Imagine using PDF proxies to spam /g 24/7 to post your weirdo hatred against Apple.
>>108339082if they go up to 12gb of ram ill get one
>>108353491still better than Apple's physical keyboard
>>108339082>8 GB RAMInto the trash where it belongs
>>108339181it's $600, perfect for grandma who wants to browse the web and get email. >480Mbpswhat more do you need?
>>108353744>if they go up to 12gb of ram ill get onenot possible, the mobile packaging design limits the macbook neo to 8GB system RAM
is this the one with 8gb soldered memory?
