And why are none of the tech/privacy bros fighting back? Where is the ETF foundation? Are they supposed to sue people who pull shit like this?
Because it's implementable as a single boolean ">18?" on account creation. If anything it's easier to skirt verification with this mechanism
>>108339450It may be the foundation but eventually it will evolve into a security token that has to be created with a "trusted" third party verification service. All privacy and security distros will effectively become unlawful to develop.
>>108339450You are off by one. It should be >=18.
>>108339474They wont be unlawful you just wont be able to use your banking, SNS, online shopping, sites behind CloudFlare etc. without this verification token.
>>108339474>eventually it will evolve into a security token that has to be created with a "trusted" third party verification serviceI don't trust this built-in shit one bit, but right now this is literally the lesser of two evils when the alternative is "show your id to every service so they'll verify it sending it to israel."Are they planning on changing this eventually to turn it into some dystopic big brother shit? Absolutely. But fighting it blindly when the alternative is literally worse is pointless, if anything I wish pro-privacy organizations embraced it as it has been originally presented, showed people that age verification can be done without giving your id to anyone, and thus proved that there's no reason to change it anymore. And I wish they did it *before* (they) start suggesting that it has to be changed.
just ban all desktops. normies are happy with iphones, they won't notice
>>108339314>Radio silence from the EFFJesus Christ...
>>108339314Peter Thiel and Palantir
>>108340073Bought off/epsteined or controlled op from the start?
>>108339314|>|&
>>108339314>ETF foundation?thats a leftist organization>so?they are not going to push back against their own tribe who are pushing this.
to protect your kids**surveillance the shit out of your ass
>>108339314because they're trying to entrench themselveswhat happens when google and apple and microsoft become the only ones who can comply with all the regulations?
>>108340131>controlled op from the start?This one. Everything, literally everything in the tech sector originates from military/spook funding and founding.
>>108339314It's not really that bad of an idea if the parent installs the device for the kid... but really it's the parent's job to control what their kids are exposed to anyway. I'm tired of this being outsourced to everyone else. We should probably go the opposite direction and eliminate all 18+ requirements and tell the parents to fuck off. If their kid went out and bought beer/cigarettes that's on them for not watching their kids.I'm tired of being cucked to take care of someone else's offspring.
>>108339314>Why are the California tech bros pushing this?they got tired of being caught by police pretending to be kids
>>108339314It's externalization of cost by Meta/Facebook/InstaBest thread I've found on this subject: https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1rmhxk1/i_pulled_the_actual_bill_text_from_5_state_age/>reddit threaddon't care
>>108339314Same shit as vaccine passports.zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>>108339708This.All of these>hrrrrrrrrrr i'll just change distro retardsare in for a rude awakening.
>>108341084>It's not really that bad of an idea if the parent installs the device for the kid... but really it's the parent's job to control what their kids are exposed to anyway.It has nothing to do with kids, retard. It never does. That's just the torjan horse used to reach an end goal. Why? Because if you dare push back, then you're evil for wanting kids to get hurt.What's the real end goal? The real end goal is ID verification or face scans (or both). They know this is meaningless, that's the whole point. It's boiling the frog, so in a year or two, or maybe even sooner, they'll come back with >Welp this isn't working! We're not protecting da keeds. We need actual ID verification! That's the only way! For the kids!
>>108342933>muh trojan horseNah, you're actually retarded. The government already has all of your information because big business collected it for them. And as far as >muh face scanYou already got a face scan when you got your picture taken for your DL. You didn't realize they used biometric cameras? You're fucked.
>>108339314The selfies are going to be fed into AI for mass profiling and their Jeffrey Epstein tier human trafficking empire
>>108343071NTA but you're an idiot if you don't think they're going to push for more.
>>108339314because fuckass Meta will have to pay out 50 bilion dollars in COPPA lawsuits if they dont all pass
>>108339862or how about this. no age verification whatsoever. parents just install a fucking on on their kids computer if they want to filter shit
>>108339314This bill doesn't invalidate your privacy. I'm pro it.
I live and vote in Colorado, and have my entire life. Senator Matt Ball actually represents me, and he co-sponsored our state's OS verification bill. I've been emailing him back and forth for some weeks about how stupid this bill is, and how Linux is almost impossible to enforce this on (and shouldn't be anywhere else either). I got some genuine, "hand-typed" (my guess is an intern typed what he dictated) responses that actually addressed the things I was saying line by line. We spoke cordially and he said he was shifting his mind on the idea a few days ago.Now I see he's trying to exclude open source projects from age attestation requirements.FUCK YES. I didn't do this by myself, or alone, but part of me wants to believe that polite conversation and meritorious concern about legislature can go a long way, at least with senator Ball.Write and call your officials, /g/, especially if you're a burger. This is getting scary and you need to become>Active>Trained>Aware
>>108339314>>108339450it's not about verifying age or protecting kids, it's about tracking you.even if you lie about your age, even if it isn't tied to your real identity, the important part for them is that you don't bother to create a new digital ID but use the same one across various platforms.they don't care about the ID being tied to a real identity, all that matters is that it ties together your activity across several things. then they can always figure out your real identity from that anyway if they need to.combined with cloudflare being used on 25% of the internet (which renders https useless because they can always see everything you type) using the same "super cookie" (digital ID) makes keeping track of people and thoughts much simpler.law changes to allow making use of this great tool can come later.
>>108339314I am old enough to remember that computers are fun even without internet access, so this doesn't affect me. Happy playing UT99 and AoE2 offline against bots until I die. My smartphone can become my drivers license and debit card, whatever.Let me know when the cops start raiding homes looking for computers with outlawed operating systems installed.
>>108344140additionally, it's about shutting down small actors so that there will only be a few big ones.can't afford checking digital ID? too bad, since you can't guarantee kids a safe space there will be no self-costed forum for you.oh no, someone uploaded child porn and you can't afford moderation that responds within minutes and reports everything to the police, complete with IP logs? no self-hosted forum for you.cloudflare shut off service for thought crime, i mean hate speech? looks like you can't afford DDoS protection, sucks huh? what's that, don't want cloudflare to read all your traffic to/from your site? think about the DDoS and AI protection!
>>108344140>the important part for them is that you don't bother to create a new digital ID but use the same one across various platforms.You should already be operating as if your government, ISP, employer, bank et al can see everything you do online. If you want to do something they don't like, do it in meatspace without a paper trail, or on airgapped devices. Not online.
If you want to deny the holocaust or say nigger or whatever, do it in real life with your friends and family, not on the internet. You are here because its convenient, not because its private or secure or anonymous
>>108344184what kind of logic is that? it's not about having something to hide, it's about not feeling that you can't ever step out of what you think is the line.i want the internet i grew up with to be available for the next generation. there's no way they have a log on all i've said 20 years back, because of all the moving and IP changes i've made, but if i had been using a digital ID all those years they could build a complete profile on me all the way back to childhood if I accidentally joked using the wrong keywords. and don't give me some shit about that they already have the info, that's the ultimate defeatism. they don't.
>>108344197what a fucking jewish nigger opinion.you think you will be able to get away with it in real life with all the always-on mic everybody voluntarily put in their homes? maybe you don't put one in your home but your friend will and it'll know your voice
>>108339314This shit makes me terrified of what the future beholds.We're really heading towards a 1984 type world, aren't we.Question. Am I a fag for want to off myself before it gets any worse?
>>108339862Every step you allow them they will push further. Eventually this will result in your CPU not working because you didn't insert your ID into the computer.
>>108344256it'll not be true darkness until Tor is outlawed.this shit that they claim "will protect kids" will just push more people to Tor, including kids.
>>108344218Cool, I'm gonna train AI on my boss's voice and make it say terrorist things into my Alexa microphone. Maybe I can get him arrested.
>>108339450And who attests to the validity of an "account", whatever the fuck that is?
>>108344274they will see him logged in and chatting on faggotlover.net at the same time so it won't work
>>108339474It will eventually evolved in hardware solution. Similar to how Samsung Knox has a one way fuse for bootloader unlocking to gimp the phone if ever unlocked.
>>108344272That doesn't awnser my question. Is it really worth living to see society get even worst?Cause idk. I've tried talking to therapist about this, but they really aren't helping because wtf are they supposed to do?Tell me to take my meds? To stop thinking about it?What good will any of that shit do? We're heading towards a fucking dystopian nightmare, and they tell me to stop thinking about it.Call me a bitch, but I rather be dead than live in that fucking reality.
A dystopian hardware-based ID system could work by embedding a secure enclave or fuse-backed trust module in the phone, CPU, or motherboard that starts in an “unverified” state and blocks certain functions at boot. To unlock them, the device would generate a hardware-bound cryptographic attestation key that proves the request is coming from that exact physical machine, then send a signed verification challenge to an approved identity service along with the user’s ID check. If the authority approves it, it returns a signed token or certificate that only that device can accept, and the secure hardware permanently or semi-permanently flips an internal flag, stores the credential, or enables a derived key needed for restricted features. From then on, software, operating systems, apps, networks, or even firmware could refuse access unless the hardware can prove it holds a valid verified identity state, making ID approval a prerequisite for normal device use.
>>108344296it's always worth living anon. the only thing the dead know is that it's better to be alive.
>>108344305And then you go to prison for violating broad obscenity laws and jerking it to incest furry cartoon satanist porn on a Sunday in Utah
>>108344364Well I don't live in Utah, so no
>>108344477You will soon. Soon we'll all be apart of greater Utah, The Mormon Caliphate. I for one am cashing my chips in early and joining THE CORRECT AND TRUE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST AND THEEEEE LADDER-DAY (lol) SAINTS.PRAISE BE UNTO BLONDE JESUS AND THE CHIC FIL LA FRANCHISE IN MY HOME TOWN!!!!
>>108344488Well I don't live in the U.S., so no
>>108344505Your petty Atlantic or Pacific ocean will only protect you for so long against the golden-headed hordes; against the S.S. Joseph Smith raining off-shore artillery fire upon Madrid, London, and any warm water cities.>We shall fight on the beaches thoTOO BAD LIGHT OF GOD FROM A STEALTH NUCLEAR BOMBER DOG BLEDDS USA :DDD
>>108339314Age is NOT verified with the Commiefornia law. It verifies the age that root (parent) set for users (kids) to applications.It's a mandatory OS level parental control mechanism.
>>108344665That's all? Shouldn't be hard to implement then, should it?
>>108339450I love it when goyim cannot feel the weight of their own chains.
>>108344736It's hard to implement anything when you're stamping your feet and screaming muh privacy non stop.
>>108339314the epstein fury class wants to know when they are preying on a child that it is a real child and not a fake one
imagine the embarrassment at an apaic meeting when you offer baby jerky to everyone and it turns out to be preteen jerky. what a blunder. this will help ensure that never happens
>>108339314Because they want a database of who is and who isn't a child online. The more accurate it is, the less chance there is of catfishing operations. Or did you think it's only a coincidence that everyone started dropping digital ID laws right after Epstein's fake death?
>>108344281the fuse is useful desu it makes no difference if the knox fuse is tripped but if youre working in an industry where there may be corporate espionage or youre a reporter, politician or something of the sort its probably good to know if our phone has been tampered with
>>108339314right now, i have to give loads of websites a fucking phone number just to use them. it's bad enough that many sites require you to make an account to even use them. luckily you can get around it with burner emails and such. but some of them you can't.i don't want my real life identity chained to places i go online, because i do not trust that the places i visit online will keep my information secure. they already don't. they sell everything they know about me.
>>108339314we need one county to ban age verification at OS level.
>>108339314This is literally happening because zuckerbergstein can't accept that facebook is fucking dead
>>108344256>>108344296lilbro never shutdown your self, that is what the glowies want. It'd better to be a pain in their ass.
>>108342766exter what cost? Can someone eli5?
>>108344305>certain functions>restricted featuressuch as?
>>108345353>eli5go back to plebbit
>>108339314The argument against it is "I want children to see porn and be groomed/bullied on social media
>>108339314Literally the only people who are doing something to fight this at all are System76 guys. Meanwhile, Fedora GNOME Flatpak Freedesktop and Systemd faggots are practically salivating at the prospect of adding this everything in desktop Linux.>https://github.com/archlinux/archinstall/pull/4290>https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-desktop-provision/pull/1338>https://github.com/flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal/pull/1922>https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40954They are even making plans for how to implement ID verification in the future. Some retard tried to start a revolt on Plebbit. His account got banned within the day and the post got censored / removed.Nice privacy respecting community you have there, FOSS bros. Now you see what happens when you let GNOME faggots lead the way everywhere. Issues? Closed and locked. Only the great GNOME Flatpak XDG masters get to talk and make decisions about this. You are all slaves. Plebs. Trash. Little bitches.You WILL verify your age. You WILL give away ypur government ID. You just WILL. Ebassi decided so.
>>108339314>ETF foundation?Do you mean the EFF? Could be their thumbs-up-their asses time.Look: here is some free information for you. Screencap this and read it in two years. Ready? Here we go.The first caught violator of one of these laws is going to go to his lawyer. They're going to go to court. The thing will be thrown out of court *and* the law struck from the books, because it is fucking impossible to define, yet alone enforce the terms of that law. The law was drafted and ratified by tech ignorami who have no idea how anything actually works.
>>108346285back to pentagon glowie
>>108346457Because System76 has a target market of paying customers who directly use their OS. Everyone else answers to The Blob.
The governments try it somewhere and if it doesn't work out they won't make fools of themselves by attempting it everywhere. The governments also wrote a so called law in Austria saying everyone must take the C19 poisonous syringe, and when it didn't happen, the governments did not make a fool of themselves by trying it out everywhere. The governments want that we believe their postulates are powerful.
>>108344966this zuckfuck should been shot, he has too much economical and (bought)political power
>>108339314Unironically to protect pedos and CP creators>bro she verified her age>she said she was 18 bro>bro I can't be breaking the law bro>bro you don't get it, I'm the innocent guy here brok>I just groomed a 12 year old who claimed she was 18 but like the site needs you to be 18 bro>okie pedo-bro, you go free
>>108339314Because our governments want to lock the internet down, because they want to control us. The internet is too powerful.
>>108339314Because nobody tries to practice their Second Amendment.
The law states it is a civil offense not a criminal one if not compliant
Isn't this all just so that Meta can avoid responsibility?I don't think they care about the children at all of course (well some of them do in a different way let's just say), I don't think it's done to uniquely identify who's who behind a computer either though, because anonymity is a fucking myth in this day and age, but it seems to me like this is just a way for Meta to avoid paying up.
>>108352508At the end of the day, it is the FOSS folks who are practically spreading their legs open for age verification even when they don't necessarily have to.One thing that is very clear to everyone is how unclear these age verification laws are. You don't need to be a lawyer to figure this shit out. What counts as an app store? If a person is downloads stuff using the DNF or Pacman package manager, does he need to verify his age first? What about using git to clone repositories? No one fucking knows and it is practically impossible to enforce this shit on tools like this.Now here comes the Flathub and the FreeDesktop bros. They cannot fucking wait to add age verification. Fucking hell, they are even already thinking about ID verification too. When people went "What the fuck, guys?!" they silence critics by locking and closing issues and start crying, "AHHHHH WE ARE BEING HARRASSSSSSED", you know, tthe classic GNOME dev tactic.Hell, fucking Valve is doing more to fight this bullshit than these GNOME GTK Flatpak fags. It's pathetic.> https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2026/03/valve-posted-a-statement-on-the-new-york-lootbox-lawsuit/
>>108353583You're talking about californian or californian adjacent "people". Of course they'll bend over. They actually love bending over to own the fash.I don't think there's a way to make this work unless there's some sort of verifiable digital ID that needs to be detected before logging in.Of course a lot more of a benign thing (I don't think this is what's all about), I've heard it's actually all looking for specific tools to enable parental controls on linux in the same way a lot of devices do already and implementing those if they're not present already.
>>108339314Mark of the beast is coming, bros. You laughed of the "fairy tales", but it's everything pointing to it
>>108353934COVID is happening again?
>>108340141Ali lost
>>108339314Everyone is pushing this because it's a system designed to end anonymity on the internet, because the faggots at WEF want a global china.They will succeed at obtaining it, but as with all super centralized powers, everything will burn to the ground.
