Proton will log your ip address because of swiss laws and when when fbi asked for the information, proton will hand over your information
Host your own, get a dns registry and configure SPF, DKIM, DMARC and MX.
>>108342840gmailemail is a joke, just use gmail
>>108342840Just use email.If you're worried make burner gmails everywhere you go and then burn them for random shit in burner firefox profiles.I use one of mine for Ukranian hookers.
>Proton compromised
>>108342949You're retarded if you thought proton mail made sense.S/MIME, GPG, or go home and use Gmail.
>>108342840tutanota email doesn't have this problem
>>108343352>will comply with a warrantVs>will leak your info regardless
>>108343352Wasn't Tuta confirmed to be a honeypot years ago?
yall still use email
>>108342859this. after lavabit went down i just made my own email server
>>108342840do people really expect providers to not cooperate with law enforcement? lol
>>108342881how do you get around needing a number for gmail account creation?
>>108344377Supposedly making it on an older model Android allows you to do it but that will only work temporarily, eventually they will randomly prompt you to give up your phone number for 'recovery'.
Any ways to use chinese email providers? no way zhang cooperates with the glowies
>>108344388i had tons of gmail accounts from the invite days but all of them have effectively locked me out for having not set some sort of auth method, so sounds about right
>>108344407It'll at least work for a few months, so it's good if you want to shitpost on YouTube or something, but you'll lose access at some point.
>>108342840I'd say a free proton account is still better than gmail, because your storage is encrypted. And people cannot read the contents. But those fags keep meta data and shit like payment methods.and on gmail, all your shit is scanned + your phone number is connected to it and maybe payment methods + your youtube and other shit. I'd say switching from big tech is mostly to escape insane data collection. It's scary how much a profil google can build on you, if you use google search and gemini... everything goes to google.
>>108342840>a company will comply with the law they are operating underno shit. what next? you'll point out how they actively acknowledge and warn about that?
>>108342840Wasn't it just payment information?Also Proton is not gonna share/sell/use all your information for profit like most big tech email providers do, so even if Proton hands over the limited information they have on you to law enforcement if they're served a warrant that's still miles better than most alternatives. Not much to worry about if you're in the vast majority of people not doing anything criminal tied to their email account. If you need that extra security then yeah look elsewhere.
>>108344374yes, in cases where nothing illegal happened.When proton gave out the IP of some guy who skipped school to go on a protest to the German police, that was comically retardes.
>>108342859>>108344359Recently I've been looking for email server software. Is Stalwart a good choice?>>108344374>>108344448Cooperation is different from mandatory enforcement.I expect every company to refuse giving out my data except only when there is a warrant from a judge. Asking nicely in not an acceptable option.Bad actors can impersonate police, a digitally signed warrant cannot be forged.>>108343352Tuta is German, which is far worse on privacy laws compared to Switzerland: https://eylenburg.github.io/countries.htm
>>108345158*is not an acceptable option.
>>108342859Less private than using a mail provider.
>>108345158>Recently I've been looking for email server software. Is Stalwart a good choice?i've only used Postfix + Dovecot, which has worked for me since 2013, with the only exception being the recent major update to dovecot that required writing a new configuration, it has been surprisingly hands-off. i did add DKIM and DMARC along the way as other providers started to require it, but it's certainly not something you have to babysit
>>108342859So instead of asking Proton, they just have to query the IP address your domain is pointing to and ask your ISP?I don't see how this protects you from the FBI at all.
Since Thundermail isn't available yet... Is Infomaniak good enough?
If the government wants to find you by email then they will do so. Even if you self host your email you're still registering a domain for it. So even if you tell your domain registrar to hide your whois info they can just get the info via warrant.All that self hosting really could do for you in this case is that you can make sure things are deleted. Even then that's a bit of a gamble unless you have the money and Internet connection to host it entirely from home and not some vps service.Mainly when you talk about security and privacy on the internet it's really only to keep corps and non-law enforcement from finding out who you are and fucking with you in all the various ways that they do.
>thread #4829193 of tech illiterate kids having retarded beliefs of how a piece of technology works and complaining about it
>>108344406By law, you can't create an email in China without supplying your (Chinese) government ID
>>108345209i use it and it just werks, free email hosting when you buy a domainno built-in PGP encryption though like Proton does
>>108342840Why does protonmail even retain this information if it's supposed to be private? I'm beginning to think this whole Proton thing is a honeypot.
>>108342840>>108342949>payment data is now an ip addressoh shit. closing down all my proton accounts and moving to google right away, mr. sex offender policeman sir.
>>108345273Selfhosting from home and a VPS for exposing to the internet, paid in anonymous currencies (cash or monero) with fake identity will protect you from corpos.A no-log VPN to tunnel traffic to and from your VPS and a non country-code top level domain paid in anonymous currencies with a fake identity will protect you from glowies.The only negative point about this setup is that it's expensive and hard to set up.>>108345347I remember this, it happened 1 or 2 years ago. They do not usually, they were forced by a court to log the IP address of a specific email address when it logged in, all of this under a gag order obviously.
>>108345347payment data is retained and so is the connecting ip address. as per usual, people with shit opsec doing absolutely nothing to help themselves.>>108345385>I remember this, it happened 1 or 2 years ago.some french faggot got caught because he wasn't using tor or any vpn to connect to protonmail
>>108345347proton mail isn't meant to make you anonymous but to encrypt your mails, if you use the mail address to do stupid stuff no shit it's going to get traced back to you since it's unique to your account.
>>108345347it always was, now they want your phhone number for a new account
4chan gave my details and the Feds showed up at my house a couple years ago. Any email claiming privacy is laughable. The tech was never built with it in mind
>get legally compelled to do something>comply so you don't get shut down and raped in jail over some ilelgal shit someone else did>/g/ will make 100 threads crying about you while advertising some other email serviceSo transparent.
yandex mail. i will never go to russia.
>>108342949Homura, no!
>>108345192You're being trolled by the literal CIA. Say hi to your tax money on 4chan. hello money!
>>108342840I'm all for making fun of "alternate" service companies getting made fun of for being rightfully full of shit, but you should be treating everything that touches a computer as a permanent paper trail and keeping all sensitive information off it.Or at the very least always act like you're being tracked, because you are.
>>108345347Look, it's not possible for any company to sell you what they propose to sell.The only way to accomplish this is by funding people like Appelbaum to make software akin to Onionshare, only for email. It has to be something like that, because otherwise you're screwed.No onion, survival rate zero (against megabucks governments).
>>108345339you can on QQ mail (tencent) but need a phone number (any country)
>>108349576Are you Golden? We member.
>>108351487best post ITT
>>108345339Yeah but have you been to China? By law ching chong ding dong bing bong then you just do whatever the fuck you want. In some ways it feels a lot more free than the west.
>>108351636der bauer just got ripped of to the tune of 40k europapers. The legal system there is nonexistent. xi is conducting quarterly purges of "corruption" - is everyone there corrupt?
>>108344377I think just setting up a new android device would do it. I made one on a galaxy z flip.
>>108351643I have no idea what that first sentence means, but there is a lot less overt corruption than basically all of south east and southern Asia. There is a lot less than there used to be according to most people I talked to there. But most people believe it still goes on. I don't really know the details of stuff like that but at least in normal daily interactions police can usually be trusted, I would trust them more than the incompetent retards in my own country (first world). As for the court system I don't know a lot about it. Chinks are devious and always getting up to tricks, so you have to be careful, but they do seem to fear the law and are less egregious than SEA monkeys for example.
posteo: 1 euro/month. literally no tracking (not even the ip address). https://posteo.de/en/site/transparency_reportthe only thing the police was able to do was to ask posteo's bank to get the transactions but posteo accepts cash through postal mail.
>>108351665fuck off, stupid fuck.
email providers that don't do that end up like lavabit
>>108351715Mad as hell SEA monkey over here
>>108345347Why are tech illiterates so retarded?Do you realize that unless you PERSONALLY encrypt something with a secret only you know about, anything a server receives is in the clear and can be read by an administrator?
>>108352464notice the word retain
>>108352506>payment datathey are required by law to retain payment data
>>108342840Proton is a glowie honeypot
>>108351487Just don't ruin yourself by the schizo paranoia it could lead to
