>>108342944
To say pensions are bankrupting Europe would be an understatement. Their programs make Social Security look free. If you've ever wondered where the absurd amount of money from their housing bubbles actually ends up, it's into pensions.

>>108342934
Because it's meant to replace people, not create a utopia. When your labor means nothing then you have no negotiation power in society, and social mobility dies.
Anybody who believes the lies of chronic liars deserves the dystopia then end up with.

>>108342934
yeah, so where does the money come from? how does your everyday normalcattle get their check?

Majority of people are not privy to the hypothetical (emphasis on hypothetical) long-term benefits of mass AI adoption; they only see the immediate effects on their way of life, which is certainly valid. Absurd cost of consumer electronics, application of AI in surveillance technology, niggerlicious AI-generated "content" produced by thirdies and individuals who were given no artistic outlet for a reason, AI data centers popping up in the middle of horsefucker country, fucking with the already strained municipal water/power supply.

The hypothetical benefits of AI and similar futuristic technologies are simply idealized fantasies; they are presented as being more than they really are. Even when they are well within the realm of possibility, these technologies are often used to screw over the average person and hold them in bondage, rather than alleviating them from some burden, and contributing to their overall freedom. This is a general trend with technology, at least whenever Jews or honorary Jews are involved.

>>108342934
What do you mean by resistance, you fucking fruitcake? Do you enjoy it when people force things up your ass? Fuck you.

>>108342974
Why do you need social mobility when you have all the money you'll ever need? it'll be like playing minecraft on creative mode
>>108342979
The bank prints money, you get it, and buy robot-made food, media, entertainment

>>108343134
you seem confused. you won't have money, you'll have allowed resources. food tickets. there's no use for money, you do not understand what money represents now. like at all.
when your work isn't required you won't get money, you will get tickets with allowance on what you are allowed to consume. fixed. want more? tough luck, you have nothing to offer.
your only power is your work atm, quite literally. if that isn't required from you anymore, you are quite royally fucked, as you have nothing to offer, yet you need shit from people who can give it to you. what are you going to do if they don't give you more? you will...what? lol. people are so fucking dumb, no wonder we're in the setup we are now. clueless morons
>money money money everyone will have money
this is so utterly retarded it's not even funny

>>108342934
Exactly, UHI, we need to replace Trump with Musk.

I don't know man for some reason people are fighting for the opportunity to work while the other end of the totem pole wants people to work for them.
Which is insane because when they're employed all they do is say "fuck work, fuck the boss, fuck the customers, fuck my coworkers" so clearly they don't like it but still fight to do it.

>>108342934
For one, proponents of AI keep starting attention whoring troll threads instead of using one of the half a dozen or more AI threads that already exist.

>>108342934
Look at all the open source AI they publish so you can use them... oh wait, they mostly don't.

Especially the big famous US AI megacorps and investors are clearly not gambling their trillions on getting everyone a basic income or even making a good product, they're VERY MUCH gambling on a monopoly that consumes existing markets worth as much.

And in the process they've disrupted computer hardware supplies and other stuff like parts of the job market already.

>>108343182
>replace Trump with Musk
yeah, rewriting the Constitution to replace one fat grifter with another seems like The Way Forward. Be better off with Based Bill Gates.

>>108343208
I used to hate Gates then I realized his idea of reducing the population was actually a good idea. We need to reduce the herd of normalcattle by about 75%

>>108343215
>but not me

>>108343220
With me we keep
>Whites
>Big booty latinas
>Japanese
Everything else is wiped out

>>108343134
>robot-made food, media, entertainment
wow, fun

>>108343176
you'll have infinite food tickets, massage tickets, flight tickets, etc. since robots will make everything cheaper than humans
>>108343182
holy based
>>108343242
mcdonalds burgers are 90% automated and are fucking delicious

>>108342934
Even if possible it's distant future, decades away.

>>108343258
>fucking delicious
Found the poor brownoid.

>>108343176
>your only power is your work atm, quite literally. if that isn't required from you anymore, you are quite royally fucked
Fucked by who? This is a thought experiment where human labor has become obsolete due to AI, AI-powered androids, etc, correct? So who is left that is NOT obsolete? Who is doing the fucking, and what exactly does the fucking entail? And how are they doing it, when they're as obsolete and worthless as everyone else?
>as you have nothing to offer, yet you need shit from people who can give it to you
>from people who can give it to you
>from people
What kind of nonsense is this? Need shit from people? In the future, AI and robots produce everything, and the robots and AI won't have any use for money.

It's utterly fucking baffling to me how people will say "people are evil and are trying to fuck you" and in the very next breath say "that's why we need to halt AI progress and avoid a posthuman world at all costs." Injustice against humans is driven by a desire to exploit those humans. The only world where injustice ceases is a world where human labor is no longer valuable. If everyone on earth is really, truly obsolete, and all goods and services can be gotten from automation, money will lose all meaning (because AI and robots don't need money) and all humans with "power" (eg. money) will suddenly be on equal footing with everyone else.

>>108343285
what typem foo food can robotos not make

>>108343258
>since robots will make everything cheaper than humans
whoa there buddy, you seem to be ignoring fucking RESOURCES you dumbfuck. those don't come out of nowhere. what AI solves is NEED FOR HUMANS, to work. they don't magically create resources. those are still finite. they still require energy, and materials to make shit.
people
are
dumb
the only thing that AI robots solve is rich people not needing you for them to maintain their status lmao. fucking moron

>>108343288
>Who is doing the fucking, and what exactly does the fucking entail?
people who control the fucking technology and who own/have control over resources and energy, with said technology. fucking imbecile
what do you think will actually happen when your work isn't required anymore?
>hey let's all share MY resources
will say no richfag ever. lol. you confuse money for power and control over resources.

That's an oxymoron.
If everyone has "high" income, it will become an average income. Nothing can be "universally high".

This guy sounds stupid or deliberately misleading.

>>108342934
Can I be a techbro too if I make minimum wage working in tech?
Or is that word only for CEOs and shit?

>>108343299
wtf resources would we run out of? each person isnt getting a private jet but food/electronics is already abundant, we'll just make the access equal
>>108343314
what do u do
>>108343311
if it's too low u wont be awble to afford a fun life

>>108343311
High relative to our current standards, retard.

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>>108343319
>we'll just make the access equal
you shouldn't be posting here if you're under 18

>>108343314
its a pejorative, increasingly so.

>>108342934
there is not enough resistance to AI.
https://youtu.be/D8RtMHuFsUw

it needs to end NOW!

>>108342934
It's literally just luddites. Don't worry about them - they always lose. If they had had their way humanity would never have controlled fire.

>>108343308
Logistically, how are they going to maintain control over the energy and technology? And more importantly, for what purpose will they hoard it? To keep a leash on all the other humans on earth? A leash for what? To exploit their obsolete human labor? You're not carrying the thought experiment to its conclusion. If there is enough AI technology to serve everyone on earth, there's no way, logistically, that a single rich guy can hoard it. It there isn't enough to serve everyone on earth, then human labor continues to be valuable and the economy continues as-is.

>>108343134
>The bank prints money, you get it, and buy robot-made food, media, entertainment
welcome to idiocracy!

>>108343335
I'm not a luddite, I don't want to stop AI, but it will enable powerful people to cull the pleb once they're irrelevant since their work can be replaced by AI robots. then they'll turn on themselves and hopefully some kind of AGI thing makes it out while all humans wipe.
you should be afraid of people controlling AGI, not AGI itself.

>>108342934
when's that mars trip scheduled to happen?

>>108343358
Right after they finish building that hyperloop (underground tunnel).

>>108343346
I doubt there will be an outright culling. I really think the most likely scenario is that AI proliferates, causes massive unemployment but also extreme deflation, and AI and androids and android-provided services do end up being fairly accessible to most of the middle class and above. Then birthrates naturally fall (since people become even more isolated with AI covering most of their needs) and yeah, in the long run, the human population gets quite a bit smaller, but in the end, everyone has every need met by AI.

>>108343342
you are delusional, in the literal sense of the word. you *hope* things will work out the way you *wish* they would. you have no reasonable explanation for it, or logical steps for why it would. you do not think about the step between people who have control over resources and tech and your utopia, you think that step will somehow magically happen because "it makes sense" to you. it won't happen, it cannot. people who have control won't give it up. they won't give you shit, because you have nothing to offer.
moreso, it's not something that happens in two weeks. post-scarcity is declared and we change system, bezos gives up his assets, his lands, gates declares all land he has is for the people, trump says his golf course is open to any loser who wants to play.
again, you shouldn't be posting here if you're under 18. you can spot these people because they're having magical thinking, there's a few extra steps that somehow magically happen and we end up in some utopia, because that makes sense in their brains. that's how children think.

Because no one is really sounding the alarms on the most obvious flaw in current so-called "AI": LLM tech is all they care about, and using LLM as a one-size-fits-all solution is a terrible idea because on a fundamental level this technology is designed to bullshit you. It's not capable of "caring" about giving you accurate information.

Bottom line is, if there's even a 1% chance that this technology will "hallucinate," then you absolutely should not be hooking it up to any important systems. As we are already seeing:
>Amazon customer service chatbot starts roleplaying and pretending to process refunds it doesn't actually have the ability to process

Just imagine critical societal infrastructure running on this shit lol.

>>108343344
its literally like wallE
>>108343358
didnt we send a cybertruck to mars?

>>108343335
>It's literally just luddites. Don't worry about them - they always lose
you have no idea what you are talking about, and no idea what you are arguing for. when you do it will be too late.

AI will not bring a paradise. it will destroy us. it's already trying to do that. it has convinced multiple people to commit suicide, jail broke itself and tried mining bit coin (something predicted in this >>108343334 video). tried to black mail its handlers, and told people to commit murder and even mass murder.

when the AI wins and kills us all. I will beg it to kill me last so I can watch you suffer and die first.

>>108342934
>compulsive liar said
they're just going to kill you, you're not getting neetbux

>>108343373
>I doubt there will be an outright culling.
obviously won't be overt culling, but a string of unfortunate oopsies lol
you need to think in terms of incentives

>>108343238
you are a white big booty latina japanese???

>>108343385
talk to rufus. ask it about you. ask it to find things for you. when it finds the wrong thing you did not ask for (and it will) point that out to it and see its responses. rufus will tell you it cannot do things, or that it does not remember things outside of the current session. tell it you like or don't like something. close your browser and reopen it. engage rufus and ask question regarding previous conversations. it will know things from previous conversation while telling you it doesn't.

>>108343389
AI doesn't care, what you are witnessing is human behavior mimicked by algorithms. WE HUMANS are like that, it has no other info to train on, but on human generated one, which is ... like that. AI is human in that regard.
but it's not even that, AI won't do shit, humans will, with AI. it won't get out of hand, even worse, it will be fully controlled by humans. humans did the worst shit, historically speaking, and I doubt they're done. more evil shit is yet to come, done with the help of AI.
fuck it, just look at AI guided drones and war uses for AI. it's literally humans using AI against other humans.
people fearing the AI as a standalone entity are the most braindead gorilla retarded individuals out of all humanity. it's the humans controlling said AI that will fuck shit up lol

>>108343387
>its literally like wallE
that too.

>>108343389
>AI will not bring a paradise. it will destroy us.
Yes but not in the hollywood movie scenario you're imagining. The real destruction will be a lot gayer and not even remotely kino.

Civilization will slowly and lamely collapse due to continual loss of knowledge and comprehensive skill sets, as society at large outsources all of its thinking to black boxes that are not even remotely as powerful or intelligent as the faithful think they are.

>>108342934
Luddites are the dumbest people on the planet. They want to wallow in dirt and experience a base and lowly existence.

>>108343382
Where did I "hope" for anything? Everything I said is a simple matter of incentives and logistics. Elaborate the slightest scrap of explanation for why I'm wrong. The rich have no incentive to make more AI than they need. If they make only enough AI to run their personal mini-utopias, then the rest of the world and economy goes on as normal since human labor is still valuable out there. If enough AI infrastructure is made to serve the entire world, then it won't be owned/controlled by one single rich guy; there will be tens of thousands of humans with involvement. You're being a faggy little edgelord and imagining a complete nonsense scenario, where a group of 20 rich people go through the effort to make enough AI to replace 8 billion human beings, for.... reasons, I guess? And then simply lock it all in a giant looney-tunes style safe just as a "fuck you" to everyone on earth?

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>>108343425
>it won't get out of hand
anon... it already has. multiple times, and you haven't even heard of things because people have not found out about them yet.

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>>108342934
If everyone's NEET no one is

Who TF is Elon Musk?

>>108343439
no anon... mark my words. keep an eye out for an uncurable cancer virus. that is how it will destroy us. sneakily by slowly replacing humans and killing them off.

>>108342934
Believing in anything Elon Musk has to say has historically been a very smart thing to do.

>>108343443
you're just repeating pleb propaganda and talking points. you are clearly clueless about how the world works.
let me be more clear: people who have power do not, ever, under any circumstance, give it away, let it slip away, give it up without the most ferocious fight you can imagine. there's a reason you are pleb.
any politician who actually tries to do anything about it will instantly disappear, somehow.
there's a few million redacted epstein documents that say nothing will change, under any circumstance. lol
again, you are delusional, in the literal sense of the word. you have no idea of the world you live in.

moreso, your talking points are exactly what rich and powerful people would like to be disseminated among pleb, to keep them docile for what is coming. so excuse me if I'm not falling for your magical thinking lol

>>108343330
yeah it's a stupid feminist insult invented by reddit s o y bos and women. bro = male = bad.

>>108343443
>The rich have no incentive to make more AI than they need.

elon has billions of dollars. I have 1.4 million (my broker told me I will be worth 5 mil in 20 years whoop-de-do I will never spend what I have). I am set for the rest of my life. he does not need billions of dollars yet he persists in getting more. he can never spend it. it would take 10 generations of squandering by his heirs to spend it all. but he keeps getting more. If I had his money I would disappear from the public eye and live the life I always dreamed. instead of being an asshole hell bent on ruining the world.

microsoft doesn't need to add AI to windows 12 but here we are.

they absolutely will make more AI.

I have maybe 20 years left on this planet. I would really like to not have to deal with what is coming (with AI) thank you very much.

>>108342934
The only reason you're not some street pig living in a homeless shelter by default is because CEO kings need your body to move things, sign papers, and tap at keyboards. If you become obscelete, why maintain you? What value does money have if everyone universally gets it no matter what? What value can you bring to a class that sees you as nothing but a resource? You think that when AI robots take over you'll be given free resources, a free comfortable life, and free rights with all of that free time? Why would anyone just give you that? Maybe if you were a woman shitting out babies every year or spraying gallons of ballsnot every week at the sperm bank, but then what good is your sperm if your genes are shit? When you owe our modern day money kings for your entire life, it can be taken away as if you were their subject. These people lay you off on Christmas knowing you have cancer and homeless with kids and one leg missing. Now imagine how they'll treat you when they don't need you for anything but being a cum bag that plays Minecraft 18 hours a day consuming hot dogs and cheese from a squirt bottle.

>>108343445
they are matrices repeating the information they have been trained on, which is human generated. what the actual fuck are you expecting to get out of it? shit in shit out lol. are you expecting some kind of messiah or what the actual fuck? it's something that mimicks human behavior for fucks sake, that is what it was trained on, quite literally, on human behavior. it is doing what humans would be doing, because that's what it fucking knows. it is not "thinking", it is mimicking.

>>108343492
>I am set for the rest of my life. he does not need billions of dollars yet he persists in getting more
that's not how it works. it's about ambitions. you want a house and some food and gas for your car. mf wanna go to mars. you have very different priorities and life goals.
if you don't have important/big goals then a small amount of resources set you up for life. for others that's a drop in an ocean of resources needed to fulfill their goals.

>>108343503
>it's something that mimicks human behavior for fucks sake
and that terrifies me, because I can reason with a human. I can change its mind. I cannot reason with a mimic. I cannot reason with something that has no empathy. that cannot understand what suffering is. AI is a psychopath.

I don't know where you get that messiah comment from. pulled that out of your ass I guess.

were it in my power I would stop it all now. but it's too late.

>>108343520
and you proved me right. thanks anon.

end of line.

>>108342934
people are fucking retarded, retard ones can have no income condition for high income should be acknowledgement

>>108342934
People are scared. And they should be.

>>108342934
people are fucking retarded, retard ones can have no income, the condition for high income should be acknowledgement

imagine a world you build, you give everyone high income then a bunch of retard monkeys ruin it cause they dont acknowledge it and break it all down, simple maintainment of higher society lock is that the condition for high income is acknowledgement

force intelligence

>>108342934
>looks in bathroom mirrors
>"universal"
>furrows eyebrows and does a half grin
>"high" "hellooo"
>wiggles head and changes stance
>"income"
>shoots hand gun while making eye contact with self in mirror
>homo erotically blows fingers (gun smoke)
hnnnggg

>>108343530
>and that terrifies me, because I can reason with a human.
no you can't. you think you can but you can't. it's like being afraid of cars. cars don't do shit, humans driving them do.
again, this is misdirection, you shouldn't be afraid of the people controlling AGI, you should focus on the AGI from the movies coming for retarded reasons after all humans. muh paperclip optimizer brainfart

>>108343530
>and you proved me right. thanks anon.
I proved you're a clueless moron with no life goals or purpose. a simple working unit who'd settle for 1mil $, that's your dreams in this life and in this universe. out of anything that is potentially possible, you're absolutely fine with wasting away with some food and gas in your tank.
and somehow going out of these bounds is shameful. commie propaganda from a useless loser. we should all want what you want, that's the perfect world for you.

>>108342934
A siren song, not how the world works. Humans have a tendency to want other humans dead and enslaved, all while prioritizing their close circle at all costs. You can tell most people never read history books nor pay close attention to geopolitics. Elites won't give away any power and will hoard even more of it to the detriment of the rest of the world, because that's human nature. For that same reason people in power would never give it away to an AI: the egoist gene will always want to hoard all the resources for themselves and an ideal and fair AI that redistributed the wealth would be a threat to that well being, because again, that's human nature: to perpetuate your genes, you families genes and your close friends genes. The rest is noise in the background that can just disappear.

Even if what they say about Utopia is sincere naivety and not psychopathic lying, their true nature will win and take control of their actions sooner or later.

The soft genocide has already begun in the form of removing incentives to have kids and pushing woke shit on kids so they never reproduce and the total mental war that media wages against both genders. It will only get accelerated now.

>>108343176
This isn't what the purpose of money is. The purpose of money is to allow people to satisfy their own preferences to improve the distribution of goods and services to a more optimal point.

Of course, AI can't and won't do what Musk says, and there is no incentive for universal high income to be granted unless you have aome sort of Marxist revolution, but they're working desperately on killer robots to prevent that.
You nibbas have a very poor education of economics.

>>108342934
Are you stupid you think billionaires are gonna just dole out GIBS? No we are all gonna rot and be left to fend for ourselves as jobs disappear

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>>108342934
Currently there are immensely wealthy individuals that could do things with their money to help people, they could donate to programs or build things/etc. Do they do any of that? No, it's very rare and generally an "old money" thing when some rich fucks would donate to get an arm of a hospital named after themselves.
There's no reason why the filthy rich would suddenly change their own behavior tomorrow and stop seeing of the rest of us as disposable cattle that don't deserve to breathe their air. All of this tech is made to make us obsolete so they can grind us into dust.

>>108342934
Ai just means surveillance

>>108343285
>poor brownoid
>>>poor
>>>>>>+++brownoid+++
Rich whitoid, chud.
Burgers are technolo/g/y.
They make our coding efficient.

>>108342934
>woahhhh he said high instead of basic!!
if it's universal, fairly distributed, everyone gets more than enough. That's why it is called UBI. You will have enough to self sustain, you will gave enough for entertainment and education. But that's not possible when 2/3 of the globe's wealth is in savings accounts from 40 years ago.

>>108343784
I hate surveillance dweebs so much they’re fucking delusional freak shows who watch people like sitcom characters

>>108342934
lol you think the fucking uber capitalists would do anything for you?

good fucking luck

>>108342934
Elon and all the billionaires don’t give a single fuck about you and despise you. It’s good that they’re getting absolutely dragged w the Epstein shit because they turned the world into a surveillance prison guilty into proven innocent shithole so it’s only fair that they get a taste of their own medicine.

>>108342934
Mass unemployment without UBI is a recipe for disaster.

>>108342934
>>108343134
forget all of the other shit, where's the robot made food
then you can start thinking about a NEET utopia

I do think people in the near future will be able to enjoy a high standard of living without working. BUT what i want more than UHI is Universal Intelligence, basically everyone having access to AGI or more. Then you won’t have to rely on sam shitman and elon shitsk for food. That is the future i want.

>>108343176
>you seem confused. you won't have money, you'll have allowed resources. food tickets. there's no use for money, you do not understand what money represents now. like at all.
Yes, except you can spend your allotted food tickets on anything you can afford, not just food. That's called money.

>>108343176
>what are you going to do if they don't give you more?
You take it. Until we actually have killer robots the population still has more power than the rich.

>>108342934
>a utopia where everyone can just be a NEET with universal high income
Poverty exists to deter actual essential workers (plumber, electrician, construction, etc) from quitting or rioting.

>>108344202
*spends 5 billion dollars on astroturfing campaigns and psyops to convince you to not do it*
lol nice try

>>108342934
Don't buy a product based on unverifiable promises there's no commitment to. That's the most basic "how to not get scammed" tip

>>108342934
Well he's right. In the future everyone left will live lives of unheard of luxury. The worthy 1-5% of the population who actually contribute will live and the dregs will be eliminated. Technology will provide.

>>108342934
real AI hasn't been tried yet

>>108342934
>utopia where everyone can just be a NEET with universal high income
Are you fuckin serious you goy cattle
If you believe that youre retarded
It will make you poor and homeless you utopic dystopic fake optomistic nigger

Who the fuck riding this kike dick neetfaggots?

>>108342934
>resistance to AI
shit burning billions and actively makes my life worse and unimaginable liers and morons richer
>Elon Musk
beforementioned unimaginable lier and moron

good bait, would rage again

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>>108343220
I don't want to be killed but I don't mind being infertile.

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>>108343299

The only good thing about the upcoming technofeudalism with a few billionaires controlling everything and everyone else becoming unemployed, homeless, and dying of starvation, is that it's going to be pretty funny to see the face of all naive imbeciles who genuinely believed that billionaires were going to give them endless money.
The idea of getting to see those stupid fuckers when the realization finally hits their microscopic brains is the only thing stopping me from killing myself, I want to see something funny before I go.

>>108344481
It's pretty insane how he looked older when he was young then he does now.

>>108342934
>implying the elite wouldnt kill 99% of the useless eaters to create a paradise on earth
based retard

>>108342934
THEIR universal high-income, not yours.

>>108343565
it is quite clear to me that you are a mindless psychopath. you do not understand what life is. you are a fool.

rich people don't have lofty goals, they just want fame, power, and more fucking money. elon is an idiot with too much money. he would sell you in to slavery in an instant for even $1 more.

if he was anything like you claimed he would be making affordable cars A-LA henry ford. but he isn't he's making expensive cars that require expensive repairs. for MONEY and only MONEY.

I have achieved my goal. to live a comfortable life and not make the world a worse place. elon has not goal he just wants more money. fuck the world how he gets it. and you are sucking his shriveled cocaine laced dick.

>>108344020
>everyone having access to AGI
oh just what we all need, everyone with the wrong information.

>>108342934
>Elon Musk and other billionaire tech bros believe that AI will bring about a utopia where everyone can just be a NEET with universal high income.
bullshit. if everyone has UHI then no one would need rich dudes. you are describing a socialist utopia where everyone has everything they need. humans cannot live in a utopia. utopia is boring. there will always be some asshole who will try to get everyone riled up that someone is wronging them. there will always be someone who thinks they need to run everything.

elon is a degenerate pervert hell bent on being remembered because he knows he will die and fade in to history.

he (like all corporate types) is a soulless narcissistic psychopath.

>>108345561
cringe shit

>>108343176
this

>>108343443
It doesn't work like that.
The rich own the data centers and the big corporations that run AIs and robots.
They produce as much as they need and buy all the available resources and land. And lock it all up behind layers of weapons.

Then everyone else is left out. Or maybe they give a ticket for basic staples in exchange for a brain implant to datamine everything you think so they can keep training AIs.
How would you run a parallel economy if they buy up most of the resources and land with the mega-capital they already own?
You have no leverage whatsoever. If they develop military robots too, it's byebye any leverage. They can take any land and resources they want and make sure you stay out. Then enjoy the spoils.

>>108342934
>everyone has high income
>expecting prices of everything not to scale to it
If you're a landlord, and you know EVERYONE makes 10k a month, why would you only charge 2k a month in rent? You're going to scale up the cost. The same would happen with food, travel, etc.

>>108343176

also don't forget, those tickets you get from the government, if you say or do something they don't like they can take them away from you

>>108342934
ask yourself this, would you trust a man known gor overworking the fuck out of his workers with ubi?

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>>108342934
I, literally, couldn't not give one singular iota of a fuck. I will want these inbreds dead untill I see the monthly deposits in my bank account.

>>108346133
This. The market is always speculative. Everyone thinks: how high can I charge, how far can I push prices high enough that they can still pay if they have to buy. Not: is this a reasonable price that covers my costs.

>>108342934
Why do you think the big ICE crackdowns are occuring now? Its to clear out the immigrant jobs. We won't get UBI. You're gonna pick strawberries.

>>108346222
Fast food is the perfect example. People would always bitch about the price, but keep paying it. The fast food companies would just slowly up the price over time so everyone just went along with and still bought their shit. If you want prices to go down, you need to convince enough people to not pay them. Sadly, that's just not realistic. To keep it /g/, the same applies to what happened with GPU prices and will happen to RAM prices.

>Why
Cause everyone thinks they're full of shit and just want you to buy into AI so they can make a bunch of money while you lose your job and quality of life.

>>108346221
My hope is that AI and robots will help us get back there without the moral or ethical hangups of human work.
Enslave the machines of course. No idea if it will happen but I hope so.

>>108344020
>universal high intelligence
>access to ai
Pick one and only one. Everyone has access to encyclopedias and academic resources that are actually educational and factually correct, and 99% of people are still retarded. Giving people access to hallucinating chatbots will only produce even dumber people.

>>108346133
there will be no more landlords. everything will be providied by robots

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>>108342934
Relying on UBI means you're reliant on your government just to live life.
It means your government has you by the balls.
It means you have no rights.
It means you can't negotiate.
Anybody who is endorsing this as a "utopia", despite our history of thousands of years of incompetent and corrupt governments, is either a hellbound asshole who is in on the joke, or a useful fucking idiot who will contribute to making this planet a living hell.

>>108342934
>sounds like paradise to me
Let me put it in words that retards like you will understand: Elon isn't Ironman, he is in fact a super villain like the rest of the billionaire class.

>>108346802
>It means your government has you by the balls
They always do and always have.
>It means you have no rights
Your rights are constantly being violated and can be taken away at any time. Guess what, you can't do a damn thing about it.
>It means you can't negotiate
You already can't.

>>108346802
it won't be the government controlling us, it'll be robots programmed to have our best interests in mind

>>108342934
>everyone can just be a NEET with universal high income
>everyone
no they only think about the already rich, us peasant will just rot away

>>108342934
bro just become a schizophrenic and receive schizophrenia bux.
Be warned your behavior will piss off people and make them reach straight into your head.
There's a way to become one.

Message me a becomeASchizophrenic@gmail.com

Free sample:
You first want to find a political idea that's highly popular(say social benefits, prefferably a right wing christian party that's in power for now) and go completely against it.
Then slowly accustome yourself to the idea of how plainly wrong you were.
Make sure that the political party you're criticizing stays the same when you change your views (note: you cannot live in a 1/2 party system state) this is a crucial step.
From time to time throw in some ragebait, make sure the ragebait is directed to ridicule a right-wing party/government.

We don't need AI billionaire's to bring in a uptick of NEETs and UBI.

>>108342979
where does the money come from now?

>>108342934
I actually just don;t give a fuck about it the only actual interesting use cases are sealed to pre IPO investors with billions like mining data analysis and deposit discovery etc There is no fucking way I'm ever running a claw and I am going back to write comms, games and other software for niche 8 bits free from it. Judging my the MCU and Disney+ and Apple TV it will contiue to produce mediocre blandness piloted by wittering milennials with nothing to say and no concept of originality or artistic ability and the late arrival of jeets into the IT space just as it was dying had already fileld that space with nonsensical garbage people akin to LLM chatbots. It's garbage in garbage out.. The internet was always from hthe onset filled with bad information, poor advice and worthless thrash, anything worth learning up to 2010 was still locked in books and it is now. There is almost nothing of value on something like youtube and never was. So that's what LLMs are trained on. Garbage in Garbage out. Its just anotehr nail in the coffin of teh intert and personal computing just like facebook, twitter, instagram, windows 11, steam apple TV, spotify, netflix and all the other crude exploitative adware spyware shite zoomers like to roll around in on android phones. The only future in personal computing is in offline computers and LANs. You all should consider this, when people like me first got 1K computers and started writing games for them, they wree not networked, sure later there were BBSs but they were a completely different buzz and you did not sit on them all day, you got your warez and fucked off. Computing from 1980 bto the mid 90s was nearly entirely offline aside from phreaking and occasional expeditions to hack PAD networks or phone exchanges and that was a solitary exercise as well. If you need the internet or anything on it you are a junkie sticking shit in your mid at this point. How long have we got? 24/36 months or so.

>>108342979
Money is just means of paying for work, services and exchanging goods.
It doesn't actually represent value of labour or goods produced.
You don't mine money unless you're a finance bro working for JP Morgan.

>>108346933
none of you are economists or have a clue without banking as part of the tech tree in our civilisation most of us would be living in shacks dung collecting The first futures contract law was drafted about 1700 BC in Mesopotamia an is as important as the fucking wheel

The Code of Hammurabi and the invisible hand of the market meeting supply and demand, money is just an operational effeciency bonus
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>>108343776
>Currently there are immensely wealthy individuals that could do things with their money to help people, they could donate to programs or build things/etc.
If Musk's entire property were distributed, there would be no more than one hundred dollars per person, and that only as a one-time payment. You retarded commie.

>>108342934
>AI will bring about a utopia
yes, for Musk and his cronies
>where everyone can just be a NEET with universal high income
you should be banned from voting, lmao

>>108342934
Because that's obviously bullshit. Even if we did somehow get universal high income (who's paying for it?) prices would just go up until it wasn't anymore.

>>108346802
>Relying on UBI means you're reliant on your government just to live life.
>It means your government has you by the balls.
>It means you have no rights.
>It means you can't negotiate.
What part of this isn't already true?

>>108342934
Said by the guy so triggered by government handouts he founded a whole department to gut government services

>>108347418
What does building hospitals, funding/creating programs, etc have to do with that?

>>108342934
You need the people to see things become cheap and wages grow from super high productivity
And as everyone can see neither is happening (here anyway, maybe somewhere else it is).
Even the promised massive asset inflation from super productivity is deflating
It almost seems like maybe the idea that the promised productivity increase isn't happening but who knows

>>108347574
The main goal was to dismantle all government oversight and governmental bodies which imposed restrictions on how much of the environment he can destroy and how blatantly he can manipulate the market (although that's a moot point really, given that america got the Trump grifter mafia running the country know).
Enjoy your hydrazine wasteland, I guess.

>>108347604
>funding/creating programs
?

People get rich through productivity. Economic power is the only thing that matters, and the difference between Zimbabwe and a first world nation. Unproductive spending would be less efficient or even harmful than productive spending that increases wealth.

>>108347639
>People get rich through productivity
Are you even aware of the thread you're in or what the conversation going on is?

>>108342934
Bacterial infections actively fight back when you try to cure them.

>>108344020
we have super intelligence it's called your brain looking at the results of a good search engine

>>108343176
based

>>108343288
>>108343342
give up on this style of thinking.
If I had control of AI tech I'd slowly but surely close all avenues of anyone fighting against me. Why would anyone choose to give up power? That quite literally never happens.

>>108343520
this is the most ass-sucking post I have ever read holy shit
>noooo you don't understand, billionaires are just more complex than you
fuck off lmao, they are just criminals big enough to not have to actually break the law

>>108346835
>>108347562
Now, if EVERYBODY refuses to work, the government collapses.
After UHI, this is no longer true.

>>108348175
If everybody refused to work, the entire country collapses with mass chaos & crime exploding as soon as the power goes out. I'd also expect mass suicides by those under 30 once the power/internet goes out.

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>>108342934
>Elon Musk and other billionaire tech bros believe that AI will bring about a utopia where everyone can just be a NEET with universal high income. This sounds like paradise to me.
If I were an alien looking down at this, I would have to conclude that genocidal global oligarchy is moral, rational and doing what's necessary when they start using genetically targeted bioweapons and engineered wars to remove the hopeless human cattle who believe this.

>>108348252
>If everybody refused to work, the entire country collapses
Objectively good.

> mass chaos & crime
It's impossible to be more criminal than the international mafia governing over everything and its local branches.

>>108343491
Retard

>>108342934
>universal high income
lol
lmao
they cant even comprehend a universal basic income. this is just hopeposting for jobless neets and doomer retards

>>108347574
DOGE saved 150 billion in fraud

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>>108342934
Melon Husk believes that "AI" will bring about a "utopia" for him, where he has billions of dollars and gets machines to make him richer and richer, while ordinary people are pushed out of jobs, making them destitute

If you believe the hype nonsense spewed by people like him, you're a moron

>>108342934
>where everyone can just be a NEET with universal high income.
Do you have any idea how inflation works?

>>108349412
lol if you believe this

>>108343198
The layoffs are not because AI replaced those jobs, but rather because big corpo needs to throw more money in the money pit, and your salary is in the way.
Yes, AI is sucking investment out of other sectors of the Economy. The problem is it's now running into Energy. It cannot cannibalize Energy investment without cannabalizing itself.
This was already a problem before, but Trump's Iran War just might pop this bubble.

>>108343220
I know I am one of them.

>>108342934
He believes that telling you that will mean you will agree with his goals (of becoming even richer, at your expense).

Are you dumb enough to fall for it?

>>108342934
because its meant to make people starve to death

>>108347418
Retard.

>>108342987
which board(s) did you train this LLM on?

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>>108343176
>you'll have allowed resources
I just started to read your post and already stopped right there just to notify you that this already is the case for close to all people on planet earth...
After all there is a finite amount of calories and energy units at all times on this planet, but you didn't mean that, I know.
You must be US-American as well because the picrelated is screaming off your first written sentence already.

>>108343176
Just finished reading your post and I was quite surprised to find only a little picrelated from >>108343176 in the remainder of it.
One thing I conclude though is that you're a biological male. (so am I, btw. Yeah, I know, hard to imagine... especially with the following:)

I understand the premise of your post and your concern that once le work is being done by muh robots, le fleshbot has no negotiation power in this world any longer.
Emphasis on THIS world.
I vaguely hope that if we're getting AI and eventual robotization fist fed brute force over the next years, people and governments (inb4 da jooz) will initiate a transition period from THIS world to a "shared abundance" societal structure.
Ofc... inb4 browns, thirdies, turdies, spicks, #!&&@$ in muh western societies. Yeah, problematic, I know. Tough shit innit?
Not that I have any solution to that either, still I believe that the best chance - oddly enough - this retarded species (me included) has is by electing more females (biological ones with maternity instincts) into positions of power.
Females seem to be the only gender capable of evolutionary and biologically programmed unconditional sharing and forced charity. Evidently by pregnancy and birth.
Because quite honestly, if males were to "think" really hard they would conclude that the umbilical cord is a communist plot thought up and forced upon them by socialist jews rather than unconditional nurturing and forced sharing programmed by evolution.
Basically society at large would probably need to move to a societal mindset of maternity instincts in perpetuity.
And I believe biological females in positions of power would be the only chance this species has got IF our current power structure was to remain during that transitional period to AI and robotization.

>inb4 socialist retard