Valve is begging the peasants for scraps
>>108352206Just mailed Gabe an old stick of 16gb, he deserves it. Match me?
At this point it might actually get cancelled. The leaked price before the RAM shortage was already beyond what people expected.
>>108352206Steam Machine is DDR5? I can't spare a bitbut I got 2x32GB and 4x16GB of DDR4 spare. unfortunate.
I can mail them a few 512MB sticks of DDR1
RAM prices are literally already dropping. It was just a bubble all along.
>>108352251>he thinks it will become cheap again
>>108352226Valve is using ram prices as an excuse to cancel steam machine, because it was a bad idea from the start. Here they just have their inhouse psychologist telling them to pretend they're trying their best, so valve remains the "Savior of PC gaming™".
>>108352251that's a big bubble
>>108352251bear trap
>>108352260Everyone preferred they focus on the Steam Deck anyway, the Steam Deck would only make sense if it was a lot cheaper.
>>108352251It's a bubble but there's no fucking world in which the fabs pivoting to HBM production is unwound in less than a year. The big system integrators get the scraps for big rdimms and you get to keep eating shit.
>>108352206It should be obvious to you that the first announcement was just market research to find out whether they could get away with charging $800. Internet said $300-$500 or DoA so Valve is quietly dropping it now. They won't sell you anything without a 100% markup or better. It doesn't make sense to when they generate so much money by paying their AWS bill each month.
I have an ancient 128mb desktop ram stick lying around, is all I can spare mister G :(
I understand that these AI companies need ram but how much do they really need? Where does it all go? If you think about it for more than a few seconds it doesn't really make sense. There is only so much ram you can really use let alone buying millions everyday wtf are we talking about here? How are they not buying the exact amount they need in 1 big purchase, are they crushing it up and smoking it or what
>>108352206I love the idea of a steam machine, but this thing doesn't even get subsidized and is on ~PS5 perf. Just delay that shit to 2027 or 28 ... or wait till the Xbox/Ps6 is near. Redesign the internals get get a stronger machine...
>>108352261for you
>>108352206Ram prices will go down more once Altman's scam blows up in his face.Unless Americans bail them out and make things worse as they're known for doing.
Would've used a GabeCube exclusively to play vidya from and to use Steam in general whenever I got one. Generally prefer portable games to Steam nowadays.Hope they win out against the Rothschilds again, anyway.
>>108352390everyone is panic stocking ddr5 these days, not just AI companies. think system builders like lenovo, dell, hp and even medium and small sized pc builders so that they don't get screwed even harder when ram gets even scarcer or more expensive. their action ironically makes it worse for everyone
>>108352390They need all of it so you can't buy it and force you to subscribe to their Infrastructure-as-a-Service. Running AI by yourself locally or gaming on your own machine is bad for business.
>>108352206Valve should've fucking put in a Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5 or a Qualcomm Snapdragon X2 Elite Extreme (X2E-96-100), and then run all the games in Proton + FEX-Emu on the ARM64-Native SteamOS. What the fuck is GabeN doing?
>>108352405This. The only way to stop this is for people to fight back against AI data centers. No data centers and bubble busts, simple as
>>108352421> What the fuck is GabeN doing?Not being a retard?Imagine how absolute fucking ass it would be if you had to run not one but two fucking translation layers just to get Nyan Nyan Sudoku Space Rangers running on your linux cube.Also qualcomm is known for binary blobbing absolutely fucking everything so GLHF trying to play any game at more than 12 fps until they either open source their stack or some autistic wizard spawns in and gifts us with a reasonable open source driver.
>>108352390They are not running on "one big computer" - it is all distributed around the world + scaling implemented per-user or per-session. And models are getting larger and larger, meaning requirements for RAM/VRAM/storage are also increasing. And all of that infrastructure needs backups, high availability setups, run observability on all that, separate dev/test/prod setups - it is basically multiplying already super-large and super-expensive infrastructure multiple times. Just imagine if at home you had like 3 or 4 exact same PCs + you would also kept 1 or 2 at grandma's house just in case something happens to your home computers - this is how disaster recovery, high availability, and multi-environment setups work in simple words.So the single fact that models are getting larger every few months and that they cannot just plan and predict how much hardware they will need next year or in two years when they are already in trillions for model parameter sizes and absolutely BTFO'd any chances of running all that on local consumer hardware.They just need all of it and as much as possible. Also don't forget that they could keep-up with just steadily acquiring supply as it becomes available without causing havoc on the market - but they also want to fuck competition and dominate in supply chain to slow-down opponents (make it more expensive for opponents to keep going).Basically, that retard from OpenAI made a very retarded move and provoked everyone else to react in same way.
>>108352468But he did on Steam Frame, except that he put in a shittier Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 SoC. Why in the hell?
>>108352251Wow it's gone from 4x the price to only 3.8x. Bubble over guys, start stocking up again.
>>108352226The "leaked price" was from an EU reseller where the price is ramped by 40% compared to the displayed price on Steam's US page. For example, the $550 Steam Deck is $660 in EU and it's $700-$800 in EU stores if you're dumb enough to not order it directly from Valve.So the leaked price saying "it's $950-$1100" actually means $670-$820.>>108352251It's not dropping fast enough for the Steam Machine. The Steam Machine needs to launch within 3 months and RAM prices will only normalize in 2 years. By that time buying the Steam Machine would be retarded considering you'll be able to buy a $500-$600 PC that outperforms it. So unless Valve plans to price it at $450-$500 in 2 years it would make no sense to wait that long. And if they release it now they'd still be releasing it at the time where RAM prices are 3x higher than when they started working on the Steam Machine.>>108352421>Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5 or a Qualcomm Snapdragon X2 Elite Extreme (X2E-96-100)They're good processors but the ARM graphics stack is underwhelming. I'm pretty sure even the Steam Deck outperforms these in terms of GPU performance. If they want ARM they'd have to collaborate with AMD to make an ARM CPU + AMD GPU hybrid similar to what nVidia is doing with some products.
>>108352251Basically it ramped up super fast due to stores scalping, but it'd still be expensive without the scalping, maybe between 1.8x and 2.5x more expensive
>>108352568>e-european resellers are obstructing the priceMeh, if it would be this easy, Valve would've made a correcting statement long time ago. The leak was on purpose to test the waters and it absolutely blew in their face.
>>108352259There was a ram crisis around 2018 too, people were paying $100 for 8GB. In 2025 high performance 16GB kits were $20 each
>>108352568It's pretty clear that Valve was originally targeting a price that sits between the PS5 and PS5 ProThey might still be able to hit that if they eat some of the cost. Plan B would do a barebones edition and ship it with a USB drive with Steam OS on it
>>108352260Good. These guys shouldn't have the monopoly on gaming. Bet his company will be taken over by Karp or Elison if his time comes and the cattle will still defend it.
>>108352390>>108352420Trapping niggers into subscription is one thing. But the primary focus is for the military. The US don't wanna let go of their empire status.
>>108352206Why doesn't valve just make its own RAM
>>108352648>The leak was on purpose to test the waters and it absolutely blew in their face.Are you not tired of constantly wearing a tinfoil hat?Besides, given how weak the Steam Machine is it wouldn't make sense for it to be over $750 (for the cheaper model + the controller).At the time the price was "leaked" you could've bought a 32GB Minisforum gaming mini PC for $950. Either the one with RTX 5060 or the one with RX 7600M XT. In both cases you'd get 2x the RAM, 2x the storage and 2x the CPU power while also getting a much more powerful GPU than Valve's overclocked RX 7600M. Even today you can get a more powerful PC for $900 or build one for $800.
>>108352688With Valve's scale they could have wrangled it down to 650 I think, they might still be able to do that If it's at cost. I do have a feeling that Valve were intending to build expectations for a certain price and launch cheaper to make it seem like a better deal. I can still build something myself but it would be nice to get a steam machine to play around with.
>>108352398Do consolefags not realise they're the ones subsidizing it though?
>>108352688>Are you not tired of constantly wearing a tinfoil hat?You have to be an absolute gorilla nigger to not notice that every conspiracy of the past two decades has turned out to be true and yet you question astro turfing? A technique so primitive even reddit noticed it? Go back to your cotton field, nigger.
>>108352688>it wouldn't make sense for it to be over $750Holy shill. Everyone expected $500-$600. Their marketing completely played into it.
>>108352726The parts for the Steam Machine are actually really cheap aside from RAM. It probably costs them $450-$550 to make one even in today's market. I mean you can build an equally powerful PC for around $700, even slightly less if you go for DDR4 RAM. So there's still a chance of it being $650.>>108352726>one conspiracy theory turned out to be true>the Earth must be flatOK!>>108352801>Everyone expected $500-$600That's because they released the video when all stores had Black Friday and holiday sales and when the average consumer was still only paying $40 for 16GB of RAM. We don't live in that market anymore. The RAM and SSD price surge increased the base price by $150. So the people expecting it to be $500-$600 should update their expectations to $650-$750.
>>108352656>>108352259Absolutely ram will get cheap again, I don't know how much but not soon I think by the end of the presidency in the US things can go back down. Especially when an democrat takes over, they are anti-AI so this will be solved. Because remember it's openAI who is hording 40% of the worlds ram. Things like anti-trust can become a thing again.
>>108352879>Things like anti-trust can become a thing again.this will never happen. anti-trust harms american economy. it's better to have a monopoly that siphons money from other countries and pumps the stock market than to kill the monopoly, crash the stock market and let competitors in other countries gain market share at the cost of your monopoly.
>>108352390>I understand that these AI companies need ram but how much do they really need?Are you retarded? That shit needs a lot of ram, maybe you should be playing around with AI on things like LM Studio, you will quickly realize it and scale that up to the massive collective userbase of both chatGPT, Le chat, Qwen, claude, gemini...., you will quickly end up with PB of ram needed.>There is only so much ram you can really use let alone buying millions everyday wtf are we talking about here? How are they not buying the exact amount they need in 1 big purchase, are they crushing it up and smoking it or whatThey are scaling the fuck up because more users are using AI. Not only that but the US government has this stargate thingy, I don't know what it exactly is useful for but definitely for all the 1984 stuff they will use it for. Like carefully choosing which school to bomb first.Antagonistic weaponized AI will be it's use case 100%
>>108352568>EU reseller where the price is ramped by 40% compared to the displayed price on Steam's US page.That's not so crazy.EU prices must include sales tax which is typically around 20%.And Europe always gets worse deals on electronics than America, not sure why but 1 dollar = 1 euro when it comes to electronics.
>>108352904>They are scaling the fuck up because more users are using AIYeah, because it's a free/cheap toy that doesn't make ROI. Which it never ever will.
>>108352754>Do consolefags not realise they're the ones subsidizing it though?Just, like on PC on steam, PC gamers buy too many games they won't play. that should be enough profit to put back into the product it self by lowering the devices' price.
>>108352801>Holy shill. Everyone expected $500-$600. Their marketing completely played into it.People expected lower than that because they thought valve would do the same with the steam machine as the steam deck, however valve has made it clear they want it to be PC level prices and to most people that means expensive (with the ram prices being this way) and valve delaying it says enough to me.
>>108352390Running a good AI requires at least 24GB of VRAM. Now consider that each active user needs a dedicated GPU. And consider that a lot of paying users run multiple queries in parallel, often dozens. So you need dozens of GPUs per user. If there's 100 million daily ChatGPT users that means they need 100 million RTX 4090s just to satisfy the user demand.And this doesn't even account for training their models. Training AI requires a ton of memory and storage compared to running it. They have specialized nVidia computers with hundreds of GBs of RAM each which are training the next version of ChatGPT.>How are they not buying the exact amount they need in 1 big purchase, are they crushing it up and smoking it or whatThey want growth. They want to get more users. They want to train better models. They want to have higher quality outputs. They want to train models faster.
>>108352911>dealsWe have deals in the EU?Most of that shit is a scam anyways, just like black Friday.>1. Mark up the prices start of the month.>2. Then return them back to their original prices.>3. Make 20% off ads.>4. ???>5. Profit
>>108352926People are generally retarded. A lot of people saw the Steam Machine, looked at the specs and thought it will be a device comparable to a 1080 Ti or a 3070 when in reality it's weaker than an RTX 3060.>>108352939>1. Mark up the prices start of the month.>2. Then return them back to their original prices.I've literally never seen this happen in EU.
>>108352206Or they could just sell the machines without the RAM in them and let you source your own.
>>108352390sam altman unironically stockpiles raw wafers (40% of the global supply) into warehouses and they just sit thereit's not used anywhere because the data centers are still being built
>>108352952this would be retarded. the whole point of a console is to be ready to use out of the box. and people would be filtered by the fact it uses laptop RAM instead of the desktop RAM format. it would just be a nightmare scenario overall.
>>108352962Sounds like a great tard filter. You can have your machine now without or wait god knows how long for it to be delivered with ram.
>>108352939I meant deals between retailers and manufacturers, or any in-between parties.It seems American retailers can get electronics much cheaper than European retailers can.Perhaps just because they're bigger and buying bulk.Whatever the case, something costing $100 in the USA tends to cost €100+21% sales tax in the EU.
>>108352879>Especially when an democrat takes over, they are anti-AIWhat planet do you live on? A few actual left wingers who have to LARP as Dems because there are only two serious parties in the US might be anti-AI, but mainstream Dems sure aren't. Big Tech will be straight back to kissing their asses, and more importantly bribing them, once the retarded orange blob is gone. If you're expecting massive upheaval when the two US parties switch seats then you haven't been paying enough attention. It'll be the same thing as now, except with more overt faggotry.
>>108352421>qcomgood luck with their drivers and blobs that they will absolutely abandon
>>108352206>oh no>the +30% price fixing game merchant has trouble doing merchant dealsget fucked.
>>108352977The US prices don't list sales tax. Something that costs $100 in the US requires the consumer to pay $100 + $8 sales tax. And these are US companies you're talking about. Of course the US won't tariff itself, but the EU will want to slap the 20% VAT on an import.
>yfw gaben starts manufacturing ram
>>108352223keyed and fpbpilled
>>108353231Sure, Gabe will enter a cutthroat capital intensive market.
>>108352977eu has higher overhead + strict consumer protection lawsus barely has any federal consumer protection the reason why these american companies get fined so much and so often by eu authorities is because they take american practices to the eu and expect it to slide
>>108353283Anon, he literally bought a yacht factory
>>108353000we live in a dictatorship of the money, so much for democracy.
>>108352289They were never making anything. There was no transition.OpenAI paid them to produce nothing - it was about propaganda and financial speculation, not actual physical needs.
>>108352897anon obama was the one who approved shit like the merge of facebook wahtassap and instragra , so dems are not actually antitrust, nor antiaibut anyway bubble is going to burst, between that and the iran oil crisis who knows what the hell will be going on
>>108353421>dems are not actually antitrust, nor antiaiI never claimed they are
>>108353293I don't think luxury custom yachts is a commodity market. It's more reputation and vibes.
>>108352567He didn't claim it was over you retard
>>108352206I have like 96GB of DDR4 over several sticks would that be acceptable, Gabe?
>Valve makes a joke>/g/ in full alert modeFirst time?
>>108352206If I take out all of the RAM in my computers and send it over to Valve headquarters, will the year of the linux desktop get un-cancelled?
>>108354278Linux cancelled the YOLD itself by not being a viable alternative of windows for normies.
>>108354294>not viableThis hasn't been the case in years. Linux suffers from the fact that nobody wants to ship Linux devices and most older normies don't think any OS other than Windows exists on PCs.
It was destined to fail anyway. No way people would pay top dollar for some laptop leftover APU parts and 8GB vram.
>>108352404If I popped it would you die
>>108354310>$650>"""""top dollar"""""
>>108354413Try $1,500
>>108353231You know, I bet Valve has looked into it, but probably not viable when you look at the time frame from start to actually producing a product, not to mention costs would be absurd compared to shit manufactured overseas due to US red tape. "Free trade" is why America can no longer have nice things.
isn't all the ram made in taiwan or some shit and they all died in a covid fire?
>>108352226>>108352260you retards are actually braindead cattle thinking they're some successful economists with a foot deep in the industry. We now have official steam deck, machine, frame build profiles in Unity and you fags have the audacity to still spread bullshit>>108352475because what else would you use for a vr headset faggot? x86?so your head gets even hotter while vr already makes you dizzy?for fucks sake this board is completely rotten by negative IQ twitter scrollers unable to connect 2 braincells, i'm surprised you guys even passed the captcha
>>108354622>because what else would you use for a vr headset faggot?Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5 is what I'm saying he should've put in, instead of the shittier Snapdragon 8 Gen 3.
>>108354420You're ordering 2 of them with 4 controllers?
>>108354516ram is made in korea, usa, singapore and a handful of other countries i can't remember
>>108354637i concur, it would've been cool to see a liquid cooled headset
>>108352206They should make the steam machine a thin client that streams games from the steam cloud. Problem solved :^)
>>108352206Valve needs to fire or hire a PR guy. This "teehee anyone have RAM???" is cringe incarnate. They fucked up when they originally announced the new hardware when they didn't mention the prices, they knew things were going to get messy with RAM. They fucked up their most recent announcement where someone wrote, "we hope to release in 2026," and changed it to, "we are releasing in 2026." The RAM prices aren't going to stabilize in 2026. Valve's going to release their initial stock near the end of the year and then cancel the Steam Machine.
>>108354637>release date september 2025Do you realize it's a full Linux operating system + x86 to arm layer for both 2D and VR programs running on a mobile ARM chip and they spent time developing it around that said chip? You seriously think they'll scrap all the production and re-manufacture and rework Steam OS for 2 months before hardware reveal? Oh my god we should ban some people from posting + 8 gen 3 still the king of compatibility
>>108354705How could they possibly predict the price? Their planned release date was months after the announcement and RAM prices didn't show signs of slowing down. When they were making the announcement video you could still buy 64GB RAM for less than $200. Now a single 16GB module is $150-$200.If they said "it's $700" at that time they'd be called retarded because at that point you could've still bought a better PC for that money. If they said "it's $550" then they'd have to correct that price today due to memory/storage price hikes which would make people even more angry.
>>108352251I need to see a proper candlestick chart
>>108354622>because what else would you use for a vr headset faggot? x86?If they just stuck to wired headsets none of this would've been a problem. If they used a very basic SoC that's only used to stream from a PC none of this would've been a problem. But no, they had to follow the standalone metaverse trend, they had to have their own OS on Arm from scratch for their own store because having the PC monopoly wasn't enough for them, they wanted all the apps made for Quest too.
>>108352879>Especially when an democrat takes over, they are anti-AI so this will be solvedDemocrats are exactly as pro blowing billionaires as the Republicans and just talk a big game. They'll do anything they're told for a campaign donation.
