>>108363292
I don't have a job.

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>>108363292
Holy based

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>>108363292
It is corporate hardware for doing corporate things. If my productivity is going to be impacted somehow by corporate things or work quality will be somehow impacted - literally zero fucks, not my fucking problem.
I use corporate macbook, and have to use RDP with Windows machines for certain network segments, and have to use Linux on majority of servers through remote sessions. Literally not giving a shit about corporate device.
I would just blacklist that dumb fuck and make fun of him on linkedin.

>the salary premium is simply not worth the torture of using Windows on a daily basis
Holy fucking based.

Honestly, I respect this. Boomer managers think your time is worthless so they expect you to put with Windows just to save a few shekels.

Devin........

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>>108363292
Based. IBM tend to agree with him, too.

>>108363292
I'd sooner accept a job that forces me to use NT, 95, ME or Vista before I'd accept one that forces me to use (((11)))

>>108363292
Based King

>>108363571
Organizations are not saving money with Windows, the computers are already approaching Mac prices, and Windows + Office + MDM (typically Intune) prices are getting insane.

my last job offered me a macbook with no option for windows. i didn’t quit like a bitch though. just used the mac, even though it sucked ass to have to long press + click “close” to close a window, instead of just pressing the x button. whoever came up with that is a retard and mac users are retards for putting up with it.

>>108363292
No but every day I do use Winblows at work is agony.

I've walked out of interviews for similar reasons. Not as petty as that, but the same sentiment. If I get the impression your management or engineering department is at all funny / typical, I don't want to work with you and will say such honestly if they ask why I want to conclude.
You have to think you're going to be there every day for the majority of the day, with these people in this environment. It's kind of important to take it seriously.

>>108363292
lol absolutely based. he's not even wrong windows is miserable. when I switched teams I went from a SEXY ass linux booting corporate macbook to a dell piece of shit that is locked down at the bios level. The most fucked part was it wasn't even a IIS / C# website. It's fucking LEGACY PHP. The worst part is they spy on you just fucking constantly with all their garbage croud strike security bullshit. Even my 32gb of RAM machine ran like shit because it was mandated that we use Visual Studio. Not visual studio code. ACTUAL VISUAL STUDIO. And they locked down the computers so we couldn't install anything else without permission. Think about how idiotic that is for a second. I have full fucking VISUAL STUDIO we can build and run whatever fucking binaries we want if we got the source code. Sigh.

>>108363292
I literally refused to hire a few really good candidates, because they explicitly asked for Windows on their machines.

>>108363571
If they were saving sheckles they would go with Ubuntu or something.
Boomers buy Windows machines because they don't know about any other operating system.

>>108363292
if you're that particular about your tools, and aren't smart enough to figure out a way to work with what you're given, you don't deserve employment

>>108363292
it says a lot about the company, so yes

>>108363787
Any programmer whose main OS is Windows is a red flag.

>>108363648
IBM is right, I am much happier since I switched to my first apple laptop the macbook pro m4 pro. never agane windows

>>108363700
Because you don't really "need" to quit an app manually, it's more efficient to let the OS handle it and it will close it if it needs more RAM.
It's a different philosophy. Here the process and the window are two different things. When you close the window, the process still runs in the background, so it's faster when you relaunch it later, or if it needs to perform background tasks.
But if you really want to quit an app anyway it's faster with the CMD+Q shortcut.

>>108363745
>If they were saving sheckles they would go with Ubuntu or something.
But then you'd need to pay people to fix the machines when they break or something doesn't work.
In the end, it will cost more even if the OS is "free"
See >>108363648 It's cheaper to have something that just works.

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>>108363292
>backend engineer
>WAHH WAHH I CAN'T USE MY IDE OVER VISUAL STUDIO IDE ON WANGBLOWS 11!
Like, I fucking hate WinSlop 11 as much as the next guy but you're being PAID to use it and all you're doing is TYPING. TEXT. INTO. AN. IDE. AND. COMPILING. IT.

You're not fucking managing the system, "Engineer." Use the fucking IDE, Bigot.

Meanwhile, us SysAdmins have to suffer MicroSlops bullshit design decisions worse than you.

For the second time this week my W11 enterprise Dell laptop refused to type/search after pressing the Winblows key. W11 enterprise connected with always-on onedrive is torture.

>>108363700
The only reason people say MacOS just "werks" is because they got accustomed to its flaws and quirks, not because it's better.

>>108363292
vanilla windows? id probably end myself.

Windows work machines are atrocious. You thought it couldn't get worse and it did. Positively loaded with bloatware and gunk that makes any task tedious as shit.

>>108363292
>wahhh, my outlook + teams machine runs windows!!!
meanwhile your dev laptop is not IT controlled and you can install and do whatever the fuck you want on it

>>108363292
No because it's their computer not mine. The company I work for has a lot of legacy .net framework and ms acess code that's being slowly transitioned over to web shit or modern cross plat .net so we need wangblows on our dev machines. The IT janny does a decent job of cleaning up much of the slop and vetting updates for qc, but windows 11 is still pretty laggy even on nicer machines. I still use troonix on my personal machines and my boss is thinking about doing the same with cachy.

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>>108363292
Extremely based. And yes, I've done this before. I joined after getting confirmation that Linux was OK, then someone above them said no so I said I'm quitting if that's the case. They changed their mind and made an "exception". Don't suffer the bullshit of petty tyrants, anons.

>>108363292
so.....fucking........based. he's literally me.

>>108363745
>Boomers buy Windows machines because they don't know about any other operating system.
It's not boomers; it's women.

>>108363738
>PHP
>Visual Studio
jesus christ.

>>108363995
>meanwhile your dev laptop is not IT controlled
kek, where do you work? even here they started forcing hardware attestation for VPN access because people were doing shit like you just typed.

>>108363571

It's becoming more and more and more like this. Like I was never the guy to really whine about corporate work. I know it's a nice gig to sit in front of a computer, do 2-3 hours of real work a day, sit in some meetings, go home, clock in your 40 a week and enjoy a steady paycheck. No problem.

But every week, every month, every year. They just load the bloat and garbage into your machine. They load bloat into your schedule. Everything you do has tasks, and meetings, and ceremonies, and procedures, and you have to document everything. Your machine, loaded with their bloat, crashes and lags routinely. It all compounds and turns the time cost to do x thing into something 3x longer. And they don't care. Bring it up and you'll get blank stares. "Just work longer" sitting in the back of their mind even though they can't admit that transparently. But they will pressure you to and get your coworkers to buckle and start putting in those 50, 60 hour weeks to keep the same productivity with the extra bloat and cruft.

I can't fucking do it. I actually like getting things done, and I love efficiency, and modern corporate culture is doing as much as possible to prohibit that and instead chain you to your desk for longer.

>>108364067
>>crashes and lags routinely
you reminded me... i crashed my web browser by moving my window too fast and sometimes copy and paste blocks the window I'm pasting or copying from for a long ass time... this shit is insane. how did (((they))) get away with this shit bros?

>>108364084

Taking advantage of superior hardware, until they finally found the breaking point

>>108364065
defense contractor. you get your 'business' computer which has all the normal garbage, and then you get your dev computer which is free reign, do whatever you want with it to do your job. dev computers aren't allowed on the same network, but we have share drives where you can dump shit to copy between them. Only rule is you're not allowed to bring your dev machine across a border so for integration you get a bitlocker'd 'engineering' computer that you'll have to run vmware on or you can just bring your business computer and remote into your dev machine (though not having physical ports makes that impractical for most tasks)

>>108364093
I don't even think "superior hardware" explains this shit. I can't fathom in any universe where they basically install 10,000 hooks on every single dll call was ever fast. It seems like these faux (((security))) products only grow in size endlessly and still do fuck all to stop basic xyz.pdf.exe tier hacks.

>>108363292
How do you even get a computer job? I work normal jobs.

>>108364100
and the government customer is ok with this? I'm guessing you just load your garbage into some form and some loser runs your shit code through the generic vulnerability and CVE scanners?

>>108364108

Security really is just a special caste in tech. I feel like bosses never challenge whatever they want or say and we have to suffer whatever because they scare them into doing it. They may not even realize how much it impedes productivity.

My last role was insane. You had to get explicit permission every time you wanted to touch any db, even the DEV DB. Fake garbage data, you had to get a temporary clearance through their portal, which took a while. Agonizing shit

Holy BASED
Had to use a mac for my previous job which wasn't really bad but I felt like I was wasting so much time not being able to configure my desktop for productivity. I ended up setting up a VM with my dotfiles and thankfully the IT guys were ok with it.

>>108363292
>personally happy to just get another contract for a local datacenter
>meanwhile someone rejects an OFFER probably 3-4x what I'm getting paid for probably less physical work
How am I actually supposed to interpret this as anything else but a privileged idiot?

>>108363925
macOS just works because cybercucks can't fuck them up nearly as bad as they can windows because Apple puts limits on what they can access.

>>108364166
he's not a cuck and has options. you don't. that's the difference.

>>108363691
Stop replying to yourself, garbage. You're such a fucking embarrassment to watch.

Reminder:
Microsoft knows that all this garbage on their products is so bad they make first party tools like
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/dev-drive/
just to bypass shit like NTFS file filters.

>>108363292
No, there is some software that simply isn't available on Mac or Linux and Windows is common in enterprise for that very reason. If that's the reason, he's just being a stupid autist.
However if they're asking him to develop on Windows for no tangible reason other than their IT having a hard on for micromanaging everyone's system for no reason that's a fair complaint. Most competent IT guys when they see someone who isn't a normie that will hurt themselves using a computer, they'll basically give you a free reign to do whatever the fuck because often your relationship will be mutually beneficial.

>>108363700
This. What shit.

>>108364179
Take your meds retard

>>108364120
>and the government customer is ok with this?
I guess, audits are quite frequent and our lab / network / development setup all has to meet various standards to qualify for various contracts

>I'm guessing you just load your garbage into some form and some loser runs your shit code through the generic vulnerability and CVE scanners?
no, it's a high trust environment. the only code scanners are for things like actual errors, out of bound accesses, etc. all changes are paper trailed though so anything yo 'slip in' will come bac to you

at the end of the day anyone who wants to steal documents, source code or insert vulnerabilities into equipment can do so relatively easily. it's just not something that happens because of the barrier to entry and potential consequences. Also 99% of it is useless outside of the actual use case it was made for and on the topic of intentional vulnerabilities, none of the products are networked or contain persistent memory/clock (for a time delay fuse), you can't exploit these things unless you have physical access which might as well mean you can't exploit them

>>108364184
Microsoft engineers aren't idiots, they just make products for idiots. I don't think /g/ is ready to know how skewed towards macOS and Linux engineers at Microsoft are.

>>108364237
>Microsoft engineers aren't idiots
yes they are. they don't know how Windows works, write shit code like that "sudo" thing and expect us idiots to kneel.
>t-they're macOS and Linux engineers
ya, so why are they working for M$? either way, this "product" is just another shitheap shat out to cope with a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

>>108363292
But MacOS is the single worst thing for productivity. The stupid dock, the shitty tabs, the insane keyboard, the inconsistent behaviour, it's all pure dogshit

>>108363826
>CMD+D
>shortcut
If I want the app to close, I want it to close. Not keep running. Wtf is the purpose of a red button? Stop then keep going. You guys are rektards.

>>108363292
No lol. Who fucking cares? If my employer wanted me to chisel code into a stone tablet I'd do it happily. I'm there for money and literally nothing else.

I actually turned down an offer because they wanted me to use a "virtual desktop", and having used one before, I know it's torture. If you already have a job there's not wrongdoing on turning down an offer because of them forcing you to use Winslop or any other technical dealbreaker.

>>108363292
I'd turn down a job that forces me to use MacOS.
I've had to use one for 1/10 of my work and HOLY SHIT it's bad. It's such a horrible OS that I cannot believe anyone can even tolerate working with it, let alone prefer it.
Absolute clusterfuck

>>108363805
Windows has WSL so this is a retarded take for a number of reasons

>>108364431
WSL is a toy and a liability because you might run into all sorts of compatibility issues with that POS hack.

>>108363292
>Would you quit your job if you were forced to use Windows?
No pants on head retarded it 90% of computers with keyboards I might quit if forced to used linux and win11 though...

>>108364431
>Windows has a shitty virtual machine with a slow filesystem bridge (9pfs) that doesn't properly integrate with the host networking stack without Win11, does not have working kerberos set up for you and is dependent on a Microsoft fork of linux.
>let me ignore that anything that isn't Ubuntu isn't guaranteed to work since all the directx shitware is built against whatever flavor of Ubuntu ABI exists

only a fucking idiot thinks WSL2 is good.

>>108364067
Corporate culture is all performative.

>>108364444
oh and I can't forget
>Wayland compositor has crashed! oops, no more clipboard access or WSLg, goy!
a Hyper-V VM mogs WSL2 handedly.

>>108363738
>I went from a SEXY ass linux booting corporate macbook
You sound insufferable.

>whiny retard demands a company more than double the budget for his computer and train the entire IT department on macintosh for one single person
Only on modern 4chan would someone thinkg this is anything but faggotry just because it's le ebin contrarianism to do so.

>>108364469
correct. I'd settle for the budget doubling if it meant we got competent staff that actually know how Windows fucking works.
it's surreal when you're asking some fucktard domain admin to do something and they tell you they don't know what you're talking about and then run the command you put in the ticket verbatim after some back and forth.

>>108364444
HyperV is excellent and I've used VMs with stuff like fibre channel pasthrough that were flawless. your skill issue is your problem.

>>108363292
No. I don't like windows 11 but my workplace uses it so that is what I will use at work. If you want this to change then you need to get into a position where you can convince and implement linux into your workplace.

>LET ME USE MAC REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Peak iToddler trannycore.

>>108363744
Based

>>108364496
>convince and implement linux into your workplace.
How to destroy a company in one swift painful move, like SAP or Win11. You've nevr worked with an accounting team or sales team in your life.

>>108364437
cope
>>108364444
cope
We're talking about development, not running your faggot loli window management scheme on your work computer. WSL is perfectly sufficient for serving up the development tools actually need to be productive at a place of work

>>108364431
(both of you are retards)::virtualbox

>>108363292
This is the correct response. I work as a chef and when I started my journey I quit jobs that had practices that I didn't like(i.e charging premium for reheated syco garbage, unsanitary practices, etc) and used proxy review accounts to lambast their bad food, and would send tips to the health inspector to have them investigated.

Never lower your standards of practice, let their mediocrity keep themselves tied down forever.

>>108364512
>You've nevr worked with an accounting team or sales team in your life.
You are correct, I haven't. But if someone wants to get linux instead of windows in the workplace then that is what they need to do.

>>108363292
I kneel. I am not that based.
I still use Windows at work.

>>108364516
>can't even use CIFS with DFS because the WSL2 kernel isn't set up correctly, let alone with kerberos auth (only NTLMSSP)
no. M$ is incompetent and WSL2 is a fucking joke.

>>108364491
nothing I said has anything to do with a self-set-up hyper-v vm. there are other issues with hyper-v specifically, but unrelated to wsl2. shut the fuck up.

>>108363292
I'm forced to use Mac
I got a m1 and then later it got substituted for a m4
They're okay, except for window management which I need to use 2 different applications for tilling and switching. Output to high refresh rate monitors is ass too.
I still ended up buying the m1 pro from them for like 200€ when the switch happened

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>>108363292
Truly a king amongst peons.

>>108363292
>Would you quit your job if you were forced to use Windows?
I'd quit my job if I was forced to work with applefags. The gay would be awful.

>>108364541
Works fine, have virualised the wierdest shit into it.Get gud.

>>108364523
Ive had your cooking. Meh.

>>108364695
I've had your mom. 6.3/10

>>108364718
Necrophiliac.

>>108364523
correct and based.
also BAN SYSCO

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>>108364741
>lift up the casket and fiddle with the dead
>her cold blue flesh makes me turn red
>>108364744
>correct take
>dubs
God Bless

>>108363700
I use MacOS at work and while there are certain quirks I don't care for it's not anywhere near as a offensive as dealing with modern windows. The interface is relatively quiet and isn't constantly trying to shill you something (the bar is in hell, I know).

I would never use it as a daily driver, but I can put up with it for work. Windows only saving grace at this point is that its enterprise builds are slightly less pozzed (for now.

>>108364374
Because unused RAM is wasted RAM.
If it doesn't need to free up more RAM for a new process, it doesn't need to quit.

>>108364787
>Because unused RAM is wasted RAM.
Just admit you don't know what cache locality is.

>>108364783
be honestest
modern linux is awful
win11 is awful
crapple is awful

It's a world of hurt bros we live in an age wheer operating systems are designed around the needs of the lowest common denominator IQs who don't even use them much and they are all online only spyware by design

>>108364845
>modern linux is awful
Linux was ALWAYS awful. The moment the Finnish autist decided he was gonna use the API of an OS that started development twenty years ago, for a machine that used motherfucking tape for mass storage, you just knew the thing was gonna be cooked eventually.

And they know, too. There's no reason for the security clusterfuck that is io_uring to be in the kernel if it wasn't for the fact that their interfaces (which are intricately tied to their implementation) are fucked beyond repair. In fact, anyone with a double-digit IQ and strace can see that.

Every company i worked in, I've installed arch. Never asked anyone for permission as their opinions means nothing to me.

>>108363844
>Breaking Ubuntu
I don't think people are that retarded.

>>108364273
>why are they working
because it pays the bills, and MS especially pays your bills faster

>>108364657
>2 applications
I'm running 7 background apps on my work mac to do basic window management and keyboard shortcuts and fix a bunch of fuckery that was bothering me

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>>108364385
> Who fucking cares
Cause it takes real energy to perform the fake work. Why shouldnt we just give you a ubi to rot on so we can get rid of all the yes men and grifters and we can form groups and make cool shit without being adversarily coopted

>>108364374
It makes perfect sense: a window is not a program. A program can be running even with zero windows open.

>>108363292
Yeah. I'll use whatever OS / computer they want me to use, as long as they provide it to me and maintain it. Their machine, their problem. If they somehow want me to use my hardware, then I make the decisions. Having a melty over the OS running on your employer's computer seems retarded, ultimately all the tools you're expected to use will work and you can do your job, that should be the end of it.

>rejecting employment at a cushy IT job
>in an age where getting a job is near impossible
>over a hissy fit because you're too upset over Windows existing
No wonder /g/tards are unemployed. People put up with worse bullshit at blue collar jobs just so that they can get something to live off of.

This guy is simply a retard that should be blacklisted from any and all IT jobs and be forced to work retail to be able to eat so that he gets a good perspective of what he pissed away with his perpetual butthurt over Microsoft.

my company provides windows 11 laptops
no gnu/linux option
only like 0.0001% of people are allowed to buy macs

but they bought us all iphones to use for 2fa

>>108363292
>Would you quit your job if you were forced to work with jeets?
Yes. Yes I would. Never again.

>>108365315
real gtars hate win11 but have a deep affection for xp, 7 and don't mind 10 but despise 11 and have a linux box that they boot occasiionally but secretly only boot linux vms on windows because they can't be fucking bothered to deal with different distros shitting themselves on metal.

>>108363292
i would love to use windows at work because whenever im slacking i can just blame the operating system or copilot for deleting my work.

>>108365324
the worst of all worlds, you have homosexual board members by the way, probably marketing or purchasing or legal assuming HR is a middle aged dyke as is tradition.

>>108363844
>But then you'd need to pay people to fix the machines when they break or something doesn't work.
How is that different from Windows or any other OS? You need IT departments.

>>108363292
Windows 11 is mandatory because EOS. It's not just because they want to torture workers, but because most companies need some sort of cybersecurity insurance. Of course you could say "Linux is safe", but then these insurers are just greasy pitchmen who based their pricing on what PC World tells them. They dont want to insure Linux without a premium.

>>108365351
>don't mind 10 but despise 11
Which is the biggest telltale sign that the Win11 hate is astroturfed to hell and back. 90% of 11's issues existed on 10.

>Windows Update renders the machine unbootable
Windows 10 had such updates.
>you can't make a local account anymore
While yes, Windows 11 Home doesn't let you do that, any other edition can, but it's hidden away in the OOBE. Try installing 22H2 and you'll find that they've buried that option in the same way as well.
>spying
Everyone despised Win10 in 2015 over telemetry, and such elements have been present in Windows since before that, including the beloved Win7.
>forced updates
Win10 had that as well, Win11 is just Win10 with a fresh coat of paint.
>bloat getting installed with updates
Win10 had that, and Win7 had that at the end of it's life.

The only valid complaints you can have about 11 are:
>TPM 2 requirements throwing plenty of older CPU's out of the question
>unnecessary online connection for downloading updates during OOBE instead of post-installation (rarely do people install Windows/Linux without an online connection so stfu)
>the new UI being half-baked like the taskbar not having the feature parity of even the Win95 taskbar
So really, a few extra hoops to jump through compared to 10, not the disastrous deal breaker people make it out to be where they put 10 on a pedestal.
>b-but the broken system stability
Never experienced that.
>b-but the broken backwards compatibility
Never experienced that. Weird how my practical experience with Win11 is so drastically different from all the sensational clickbait articles people solely base their opinion of Win11 on.

>>108365379
the iphone actually isnt that bad, but i only use it for mfa so who knows

the worst part about the laptops isn't windows 11. it's a lot less annoying than it was when it was new (but still fucking sucks). it's that they have really crappy hardware and load it up with all the monitoring, antivirus, etc shit that makes it slow to a crawl

>>108364437
>>108364444
Retards.

>>108365420
Windows has actual enterprise support for major issues, not to mention considerably more documentation and a larger trained workforce. God I wish permaNEETs would stop chiming in with stupid questions about things they'd understand if they actually had a job.

>>108363292
I use Windows willingly, and I'd terminate any employee who complained they couldn't perform a task using it. The rabid anti-microsoft opinions you seen on /g/ are largely a product of mental illness, but in the real world such people do not matter.

>>108363292
Why don't you just use linux?

>>108365508
I wish we had /foss/ board so that the militant freetards reporting on their latest distrohop could larp in containment.

>>108363292
I build autonomous subs that run Linux. if they forced me to use windows I would find a new job

>>108363292
Im considering it

>>108363292
No, but I will never take another job that makes me use an apple "computer" with no other choices.

>>108363292
Big if true.

I use windows 11 on a corporate laptop. It's obviously a bloated laggy device but I don't give a fuck. It's all about the money for me.>>108365543

>>108364041
anon you sound retarded. you are being paid to wait for git status. it's literally not your problem. i wouldn't care if it took all fucking day to run.

>>108365919
if it were just about the money I could make 250k writing SharePoint apps.

>>108365266
ubi is such a cool idea but it would only work if there was a disease that killed all níggers and jews in the country

>>108366427
I know a guy that does this. I respect it

>>108364444
You shouldn't run gui programs through wsl, if you stick to the terminal it works fine

>>108363292
BASED BASED BASED
Gonna do this for my next job. I'm so tired of the daily humiliation rituals of multiple different 2fa apps, retarded IT regularly blocking me from doing actual work, and being forced to use Windows 11 to develop for Linux.
>>108364431
>>108364516
>no USB support
Completely unusable for embedded development. I have to keep a VM for anything physical, even though I do everything else in WSL.
>>108365428
>Windows 11 slow as fuck
>15 seconds for a screenshot
>5 mins for a reboot
>Start+start typing = missed keypresses
>visible lag before right click menu appears
>Windows 10 doesn't have these problems
All I really care about, tbqh.

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>>108363648
>>108363807
>>108364783
get a toilet iJeet
not even wangblows is as bad as your steaming heap of currynigger shit jeetOS

>>108363292
my job is fixing windows so others can use it so no

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>>108366561
>>no USB support
>Completely unusable for embedded development
this isn't true. I pass through my serial adapter to WSL for screen on my windows laptop for my embedded job

>>108366599
I couldn't get that to work last time I tried, but that might've been due to not having admin. Main reason I need peripheral access is to format sd cards as ext4, and WSL cannot do that.

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>>108363648
>ibm who's entire business is maintaining fleets of useless jeet shit trash facebook machines and charges millions of dollars to buy, install, setup, and support crapplejeet shitbooks says "macs r gud"
ask me how i know you shit in the street

>>108366577
On older hardware (AHCI with a single submission queue) more of an interface fuckup, stemming from the fact that OG UNIX didn't allow the submission of multiple file names for opening either. It's been a lot more egregious since we all got hardware with multiple submission queues (NVMes).

Not justifying this retardation, but it's necessary to put some things into perspective. In a serious world we would've ditched UNIX and XNU and Linux forever ago.

>>108365428
>Which is the biggest telltale sign that the Win11 hate is astroturfed to hell and back. 90% of 11's issues existed on 10.
no, they never tried to cripple local logons or recall on 10, I did not say /g./ anons loved 10 either, I said
>>108365351
>gtards hate win11 but have a deep affection for xp, 7 and don't mind 10 but despise 11
> don't mind

>>108365425
true true also PCI cerification, ISO 27001 etc etc

same thing forces perfectly good hardware out when it goes out of support

>>108366957
>they never tried to cripple local logons
Download the latest Win10 ISO from Microsoft and go through the OOBE, see how easy it is to get up a local account and how little they try to persuade you to use an MS account instead. Assuming you can take off your rose tinted glasses for a few minutes.

>>108365508
>Windows has actual enterprise support for major issues
If you had experienced it in the last 8 years you would know that MS enterprise support has become a bad joke, not just for windows but for azure. You have better luck with dell or hp enterpise support than msft even if you are tier 1. It used to mean you got pretty good support, now you just get jeet level ticket hell being passed around even on something simple like an AD syncing with Azure issue. MSFT really is NOT what it was, their developer support used be incredible years ago now it is non existent. The enterprise support is microsoft community forums tier useless now.

>>108365539
fair
>I just installed hotspunk but dildo won't let me run gimp should I try warmsperm instead with buttplug? I ried giantclit but dildo crashed and buttplug froze. Also what's a filesystem?

>>108366987
Hey man I get it I'm not a happy camper either but win11 is the step I'm not doing and I've been using windows forever.storing TPM2 encryption keys in azure creeps me the fuck out I stand by what I said tho
Win XP (maybe win2kpro also), Win 7 -loved
Win 10 tolerated
Win 11 hated.

>>108366993
Ih've actually had enterrise support tell em to post the issue on microsoft community forums as a ticket closer and had to reopen it when the real issue was an outage somwhere in the datacentre fucking up entra syncing phone numbers and ad attributes. It is shit. It took two fucking weeks to get a fix and even then phone support was limited to just logging the ticket. MSFT enterprise support is fully jeeted

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>>108363648
IBM. The people who brought you domino server? that IBM? Then the awful java webmail lotus domino notes portal thing? You're listening to them on anything?

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>>108367094
The IBM who started a scam selling mac support to brain dead boomers managers who fell for the apple scam.

>>108366369
>i wouldn't care if it took all fucking day to run
not until they start aggressively measuring the performance of all engineers in the company

>>108363292
I have to use windows on my job because the tools i use only work there.
But at least it's a stripped down as fuck win10

>>108363925
it's the same with every modern OS. Choosing an OS is just choosing what humiliation rituals you want to endure.

>>108366702
>Not justifying this retardation, but it's necessary to put some things into perspective. In a serious world we would've ditched UNIX and XNU and Linux forever ago.
For what?

>>108363292
Mods won't pin this thread for exactly one year because MODS ARE FUCKING FAGGOTS

>>108367225
The jannies are the ones shitposting in here. Notice how they try to derail the topic into a flame war because they have an emotional attachment to an operating system, but their posts never get deleted?

>>108367222
For a true monolithic kernel. One that accepts batches of work, rather than piecemeal syscalls that block every so often or constantly shoot down the TLB.

>>108367168
>it's the same with every modern OS. Choosing an OS is just choosing what humiliation rituals you want to endure.
fair

photograph penis anus and face for age verification
supply dead mothers bank account details and wedding ring for anti money laundering
logon with your awsazuregooglemetaappleID
stroke your mobile repeatedly for authenticator apps and code texts
it installs
the next morning it;s mandatory AI agent has arranged your destop icons into a penis and doxed you on 4chins
then it crashes and refuses to boot
to get your secure boot encyrpion key you have to register with only fans and stick things in your butt for 14 hours
you get back on your machine
all your memes have vanished from googleappleonedrive for copyright violation
too late your microphone was left on after begging and pleading verification
you have legally agreed to jeets using your voice as AISlop on youtube
You wind up narrating a video on Pride and Niggers that persists after you die.

>>108367260
>For a true monolithic kernel
I thought Tanenbaum forbade monolithic kernels?

>>108363292
It's a very cringeworthy thing to send as a formal email
>staff are too lazy
>torture
so I hope it's fake, but I wouldn't accept that job either unless I was utterly desperate. It's hard to think of a clearer warning sign.

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>>108363292
A job? Who the fuck has a job nowadays? I have never seen one with my own eyes.

>>108367138
>oh no please dont fire me, i quit

>>108367294
ngl based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PVkXShPhp0

>>108367279
Tanenbaum is a miserable autist who was ignoring the trends that hardware manufacturers had already been setting in 1989 (SCSI-2, TCQ) - as were so many spectators of the Tanenbaum/Torvalds debate, as none of them asked Torvalds why the hell he thought using the piecemeal UNIX API (that had begun development for a completely different machine with completely different hardware more than twenty years prior) was a good pick for a supposed monolith.

Which is even funnier/tragic because state-of-the-art game development in the 80s and 90s was very careful and peculiar about its mode switching. Protected mode provided memory, but real more provided hardware access, and so they properly batched their work.

>>108367338
>Tanenbaum is a miserable autist who
I know, I was just horsing around.
>as none of them asked Torvalds why the hell he thought using the piecemeal UNIX API (that had begun development for a completely different machine with completely different hardware more than twenty years prior) was a good pick for a supposed monolith.
He did so probably because he was in his early 20's (know nothing who thinks he knows everything). He'd probably do it different if he got to start over today.
>as were so many spectators of the Tanenbaum/Torvalds debate
Internet Autists, huh? I wasn't even born for close to another decade, I can only parrot what I hear.
>Protected mode provided memory, but real more provided hardware access, and so they properly batched their work.
That's some horseshit lmao.

I kind of want to create my own OS from scratch, learn from other people's mistakes and all. But it would probably become a masterclass in retardism.

>>108367382
>He'd probably do it different if he got to start over today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfv0V1SxbNA&t=1275
>The flip-side of that answer is: I would not do a thing differently, because it worked *so* well, and it's been such an enjoyable experience.

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>>108367399
Oh motherfffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Checking those dubs though.

>>108367416
Mind you, that was six years *after io_uring had been introduced to the kernel*.

Six years.

Filled with security and architectural problems (CVEs and blocked kernel threads and patch-fixes like the RESOLVE_CACHED flag for openat2, whose only purpose it is to let a user thread block rather than an io_uring kernel thread), because they *know* that it's never gonna get better with their current interfaces.

>>108367439
>because they *know* that it's never gonna get better with their current interfaces.
That seems ... retarded?
Why would they do that?

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>>108366369
>>108363372
>>108364166
>>108364179

>>108367450
Do what? Continue with the current interfaces?
>backwards compatibility
>over 25 years spent on optimizations that anyone who owned a 286 could've told you would lead to problems

Letting io_uring into the kernel?
>NVMes providing literally thousands of submission queues with literally thousands of entries that the current kernel APIs couldn't properly saturate

Using io_uring for other syscalls, too?
>just use strace on a random program and check out those mmap calls

Or you mean openat2(RESOLVE_CACHED)?
>turns out that io-wq threads are a limited, system-wide resource, and file system code blocks like a motherfucker
>so if your processes all use io_uring you can easily end up blocking said kernel thread *during submission*
>so they provide you with a mechanism to check if opening a file would block, and if it does, then you can do it in your own user thread instead

Oh, and RESOLVE_CACHED doesn't trigger any background I/O. Y'know, because why bother acknowledging the hint that a particular file might be wanted in the near future.

Eric Schwartz was famously offered a job at early Pixar, but declined as he insisted on working with his Amiga versus their SGI workstations

i'm pretty sure making people use win11 is banned by some sort of international convention

>>108364179
indian

>>108363292
>Would you quit your job if you were forced to use Windows?
I would quit based on what was in that message, yes, absolutely. Not even because of Windows specifically. But because their IT help desk are in charge of determining what developers can and cannot use.

>>108367524
what a gigachad

>>108363695
E3 is 36 a month in my shithole if you can't afford that how the fuck are you affording anyone that even knows how to open a terminal?

>>108368178
only person ITT that isn't a brain dead nigger

>>108363292
MS devs develop on macbooks

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>>108363292
>the salary premium is simply not worth the torture of using Windows on a daily basis.
kek i feel his pain, not enough to hop from my job but still

>>108363372
I am never fucking going back to working at public company. They'd have to double my pay to get me to even think about it.

Holy shit I'm getting PTSD just reading your post.

>>108363372
That's literally all that's going to happen. HR roasties literally do nothing but gossip about autistic troons like OP that sperg out and tell each other who to blacklist. It's why freetards are all unemployed losers.

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>>108366577
https://x.com/johncodes/status/1893388786140430551
jamboy

>>108368477
>If a race is achieved in an exploit
Why is he thinking past the sale?

If they forced me to use W11 again? Yes.
I had to use it for 6 months, on top of all their buillshit security layers and it was literally the worst OS I've used in my life and my first computer came with ME.
I had coworkers saying they needed stronger machines because aparently a top of the line Thinkpad with an i7 and 32GB of RAM wasn't enough to do fucking web development, even though I do it on a 12 years old desktop CPU.
Never again.

>>108368771
>can't explain why just vague bullshit like
>security layers
There's a lot of genuine reasons to hate Microsoft and the fact you can't mention a single one means you're a fucking retard.

>>108368872
corpos use misconfigured end point security products watching wageslaves. it baheaves exactly as he decribes. top of the line computer are hell to use.
>+2 extra antivirus because we need to be safe
>dlp1 & dlp2 both set by rajesh, you open file and then you wait..a lot
>has to be sent to external service for zero days because mossad is also interested.
>etc..
you end up with 75% of cpu power used to watch over you and being a victim to network latency.

>>108368450
This KEK
This thread is a living monument to freetard permavirgin jobless losers.

>>108366427
Why don't you? Is it hard? Never heard of it

>>108363292
>hey boss microsoft pushed a new update on my laptop that bricked it, too bad I can't do my job till they fix it
This literally happened at my old remote job, albeit with Azure in that case instead of Windows. We had a couple of days of doing nothing, the remotes were offline and masturbating, and the back-to-officed employees were playing foosball.

>>108368450
it's over
freetards on suicide watch

>>108363292
To be honest I don't really care if windows fucks up an update and doesn't work for half a day or if it takes forever to boot etc. because at the end of the day it's not my responsibility to have working hardware at my job.
Windows steals all your company's source code and uses it to train their AI because you used dropbox or github? Well, should've thought about that before.

>lincel permavirgin spends new year's alone in mom's basement seething at the existence of winchads
>lincel permavirgin spends valentine's alone in mom's basement seething at the existence of winchads
>lincel permavirgin spends lunar new year alone in mom's basement seething at the existence of winchads
>lincel permavirgin spends washington's birthday alone in mom's basement seething at the existence of winchads
>lincel permavirgin spends st patrick's alone in mom's basement seething at the existence of winchads
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< YOU ARE HERE <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>lincel permavirgin spends easter alone in mom's basement seething at the existence of winchads
>lincel permavirgin spends mother's day alone in mom's basement seething at the existence of winchads
>lincel permavirgin spends memorial day alone in mom's basement seething at the existence of winchads
>lincel permavirgin spends independence day alone in mom's basement seething at the existence of winchads
>lincel permavirgin spends labor day alone in mom's basement seething at the existence of winchads
>lincel permavirgin spends columbus day alone in mom's basement seething at the existence of winchads
>lincel permavirgin spends halloween alone in mom's basement seething at the existence of winchads
>lincel permavirgin spends veterans day alone in mom's basement seething at the existence of winchads
>lincel permavirgin spends thanksgiving alone in mom's basement seething at the existence of winchads
>lincel permavirgin spends christmas eve alone in mom's basement seething at the existence of winchads
>lincel permavirgin spends christmas alone in mom's basement seething at the existence of winchads
>lincel permavirgin spends new year's eve alone in mom's basement seething at the existence of winchads
>lincel permavirgin spends new year's alone in mom's basement seething at the existence of winchads

>>108365308
so its just an autobot? cool guess we dont need you anymore. yay Mac!

>>108367382
>That's some horseshit lmao.
It isn't for the DOS era. Game developers weren't about to write their own fucking drivers for the display adapter, hard disk and floppy because the DOS and VGA(later VESA) couldn't work under protected mode. So any important IO required dropping back to DOS mode, do what you needed to do and move back into protected mode. Also its one of the reasons the Windows 9x sucked balls since it was heavily reliant on the BIOS to do shit if it didn't have a proper 32-bit driver.

>>108368450
This kills the lincel.

>>108363292
Also, was it a baseddev job? or actual engineering? because most FPGA tools won't work on your toy OS as do other electrical engineering tools

>>108368953
Linuxisters... not like this...

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>daily 300+ bump limit thread of freetards exposing themselves and showing exactly why they're unemployable incels that have never held a job
KEK

I wouldn't quit my job over windows because I already use it in a daily basis (both 10 and 11)

>>108369114
This guy gets it.
It's also why there were loads of people trying to install Windows 7 from a USB 3.0 port, only to realize that, since the system didn't have 3.0 drivers, that it would be unable to see the device *they just loaded the kernel and the base system from* - up until that point the machine was still in real mode, being able to use the BIOS.

>>108363292
Why would I? I'm only responsible for my own performance, not the performance of the tools I am provided by my employer.
If I feel my tools don't allow me to realize my full potential, that's fine, as long as I'm still getting paid. I'm not there for the result, I'm there for the money.

>>108366561
>2fa appa
I started recording my daily humiliation ritual and posting it on the major support teams channels to show how fucking retarded auth is and also just outright calling them incompetent. It's unreal how bad it is and yet the applications I own just use Kerberos and single sign on just works instantly without 3 different oauth/SAML redirects, checking my phone or molesting some shitty USB dongle.

We truly live in the satanic timeline.

>>108368951
Truke. No amount of computing power will save you from this shit. My current work laptop is retard overbuilt and it is still slow because make/cmake/cargo parallelism is totally buckbroken by some edr garbage. Both debug and release builds taking exactly the same amount of time is clearly a sign that something is wrong.

>>108363292
The name of that operating system? Albert Einstein.

>>108363292
i specifically turned down offers to join a cybersecurity company many of my irl friends were being hired by because i would've had to work with full stack Windows. i'd rather kill myself. while i've settled with Linux since before then, i am not necessarily a proponent of any specific OS--i'm just vehemently anti-Windows.

>>108363292
Yes

>>108363787
>aren't smart enough to figure out a way to work with what you're given
This assumes that every OS and tool is equal in potential. They aren't.

>>108363292
Lmao, no. It's just a tool - if the company's internal process is set up for it, you can work on windows just as well as any other OS.

>>108363844
Nonsense. Programmers and sysadmins who prefer GNU/Linux are not asking IT for support, they fix the issue themselves. Locked down MDM managed Windows causes a lot more support requests than a technical employee's self managed Ubuntu install.

>>108363292
>issued company laptop
>install linux
>12 years later nobody noticed
whats the problem exactly?

someone sent me monday.com link to a tracker few months ago. i just emailed back saying i wouldn't use software funded by terrorism.
stop being afraid of getting fired. they don't want to fire you as long as you are personable about it.

I'm glad I finally have so many autists of this kind in one thread. I am one of the IT fuckers who forces Windows in companies. Let me explain it to you spergs, why this is done. First, most obvious argument is security and compliance. We have two choices whenever an audit comes in:
>"yes Mr. Auditfag, all our devices are deployed with a certain security baseline already in the OS image, secured by GPOs/Intune policies, centrally managed Defender, encrypted with Bitlocker, forensics can be done with Velociraptor/Wazuh/whatever, etc..."
or
>"Sorry Mr. Auditfag, we have multiple autistic sperglords in here who use riced Arch (btw). How do we secure and audit their devices to protect ours and our clients data? Well, we don't, we just trust them, haha!"
Company's interest in running a business is more important than your autistic faggotry, simple as.
And the other argument, often claimed by sperglords
>"muh workflow, and softwares, etc!"
Shut the fuck up, you can use the same IDE, Spotify, browser, PuTTy and keepass on all three major OS's. If your argument boils down to some shortcuts/hotkeys you are truly an autistic clown.
As for the "IT laziness" - AD/AAD ecosystem is perfect for managing business IT environment and has exactly ZERO alternatives in Loonix or Mac world. And no I am not setting up some clownish clusterfuck of scripts and abandonwares to partially mirror the functionality of AD, to meet the compliance requirements, just so a fat neckbeard can rice his Fedora in my IT env. Too bad, fag, either use the Winblows or get fucked.

>>108371982
not my problem, clean it up janny

>>108363571
I was going to mock at first but nothing he said is unreasonable
Guy probably dodged a bullet in reality. I worked for some insufferable and retarded companies and despite the pay your life becomes hell.
Fuck developing on windows too

>>108369899
if your company doesn't install security spyware like sentinel they might never know but most lock shit down

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>>108363292
I'm forced to use windows, even though my job is literally managing linux servers

>>108371982
Enjoy your competency crisis.

>>108371982
>absolute microchad dunking on freetard incels
>>108372097
>retarded zoomies that screech if they arent allowed to run their LGBTQKSUFJAL+++ riced autism distro at work
>competency
it's been proven incontrovertibly over the last 2 decades that the only competent computer people are 50-60 year old winchads
and the world is falling apart as they start to retire

>>108372209
Lots of cope on your side.
Not enough patience to deal with it on mine.

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>refuses to use windows
>would still use a mac
Not based.

Windows is better for networking anyway. What a retard

>>108371982
AI solves all of those Linux problems for you. You're a retarded dinosaur and do not know how to do your job.

>>108371982
>How do we secure and audit their devices to protect ours and our clients data? Well, we don't, we just trust them, haha!
I mean if you don't trust your employees to not leak clients data in the first place them using locked down winblows or gaybian x+ doesn't change anything. You're just a lazy fuck who wants to be able to check the marks on Mr. Shekelberg's arbitrary requirement list and never go off the beaten path. It's not even your responsability to worry about the employee's ability to access your AD with his loonix, tell them they're on their own if they don't use windows and done.

>>108371982
Why exactly are you getting your employee machines audited? I doubt anyone actually cares about those, only thing that's relevant for data breaches are servers where customer data is stored and you're already using Linux there.
And who's auditing you anyway? There's no law that requires it.

>>108363292
Yes actually.
I took a job, told them I was going to either use linux or a mac if they required something they installed all their shit on. They sent me a mac. Then a month later then said I needed to use a shitty HP. I immediately started looking for something else and left a month later.

Windows is so bad. power shell is shit, you cannot automate anything in a clean way.

They also wanted me to move dotnet apps into k8s. I asked why and they said "so it can become a microservice". Retards

>>108371982
>zero alternatives to AD
theres like a trillion IAM and SSO solutions.

>putty
lol, lmao even

Im not aware of any major tech company that supplies their engineers with windows, except microsoft itself, and they still offer linux and macos on request. The number of engineers at google, meta, netflix, etc that use windows is likely less than 10. IT and buisness/sales etc is a different story. But for real technical work, windows is a dead end.

>>108372778
Some industries are required to be audited for various things. The anon you're replying to probably does IT for a company that works with medical/patient data or financial information. While, often, specific software isn't mandated some platforms are way easier to demonstrate compliance for than others.

>>108363292
I would quit my job for way less

I can't even begin to communicate how much of a pain in the ass Macs are to secure at an enterprise level.
Forensics, logging, even application management/patching is an awful process. No institution that cares about security should ever use Macs, however retards like the OP image keep making themselves into pariahs who provide no real value and create massive headaches for the security teams of these institutions.
The vast majority Mac users are insufferable and should be fired from their places of work.

>>108372829
I work for a FedRAMP certified company with access to a NIPRnet environment and we manage compliance reporting for all 3 major operating systems. I use a mac. Our production env is RHEL. People in IT have windows. Youre not good at your job if you cant find a management platform for mac, in fact I assume you have just never looked. Jamf if youre lazy.

>>108372877
>Forensics, logging, even application management
Usecase?
Your users hate all of this.

>>108368450
>>108369057
>>108369109
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>>108371982

>>108372916
Compliance. But its actually really easy on macos. That user is just retarded

>>108363745
Microsoft pays OEMs to adopt their OS
Keeping their market share high is more important than money

>>108372916
My use case is I'm an analyst and I hate all my fucking users.
>>108372925
>But its actually really easy
How are you handling my above categories?

>>108368450
>>108369057
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>>108371982

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>>108372877
You stupid or something, buddy?
>firewall on
>gatekeeper on
>automatic updates on
>EDR installed
>platform sso with Secure Enclave
That's CIS level 1 right there
Apple even makes it easy for anything else: https://support.apple.com/guide/certifications/macos-security-compliance-project-apc322685bb2/web

>>108373148
Not as stupid as you thankfully.
>firewall on
Wow that has nothing to do with the three topics I mentioned
>gatekeeper on
See above comment, did you ask AI to write this for you? Most of the bad stuff that runs is stolen developer keys gatekeeper won't stop anyway.
>automatic updates on
>EDR installed
Ok, now we are getting to actual useful stuff, what EDR do you use? Have you validated the logs it generates? Does it have everything you need to perform an investi-
>CIS level 1
Ah sorry forgot I'm dealing with a retarded mac user, I don't give a fuck about industry compliance like some of the other posters ITT, I'm talking about actual security operations anon.
>platform sso with Secure Enclave
Now this is actually good shit, and something I wish more places adopted but for the same reason another anon replied to me >users hate all of this, you simply don't see the adaptation, and the effort involved for companies to do this (especially primarily windows shop companies) means it's a slow adoption process.
Anyway I'm not saying it's impossible but people who just link garbage like
>Apple even makes it easy
Clearly have no idea what's going on to get these things implemented
t. Works for one of the companies listed on that link

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>>108373284
>I don't give a fuck about industry compliance like some of the other posters ITT, I'm talking about actual security operations anon.
Then why don't you hire employees who don't download viruses and stop bloating their computers up with spyware?
>t. Works for one of the companies listed on that link
Oh, so you have a vested interest in security theater, not actual security.
Opinion rejected.

>>108373313
Because I don't get to chose which people get hired or fired?
>security theater
But according to that link, apple makes it so easy, is that link worthless theater or something people should follow?
Either way it's irrelevant, I'm not going to change anyone's mind, and nobody is going to get me to love Macs, all we can do is shit post online for the lulz

>>108373356
>is that link worthless theater or something people should follow?
worthless theater obviously, just like everything else in this stupid industry.
BTW, I'm not the person who posted that link.

>>108373374
>BTW, I'm not the person
Ah apologies, then I direct you to my comment of >Clearly have no idea what's going on to get these things implemented
Way to lazy to type more but if it was unclear I agree these sorts of compliance frameworks are worthless.

>>108364458
his situation sounds insufferable. you sound insufferable for not liking the thought of a macbook running linux

>>108363292
literally something similar happened to me a couple weeks ago, although thy are the ones who bailed out
>get an offer
>they will provide a laptop with windows
>ask if I can get/use my laptop as I either linux/macos I would use
>week later they pull the offer
lol, but my guess they have malware installed in these laptops to monitor the employees since it's remote, and that malware isn't available on linux/macos, they researched for a week and when they couldn't find a workaround they bailed

>>108372949
their built in endpoint security api sending data to splunk, functionally identical to auditd sending data to splunk on our linux hosts

>>108373832
>>108372949
and jamf for application management and patching, but theres dozens of solutions for that. jamf, intune, simplemdm

>>108368450
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>>108371982

>>108373926
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>>108372976
imagine getting this upset people are discussing things on a forum

Do winadmins really thing MDM is not a solved problem for mac and linux?
Google has 180,000 employees. Do you think those macs and linux machines are just completely unaudited and managed?
They have 2.5 million servers. Do you think they have no endpoint monitoring on those?
Your little 50 employee windows server 2019 AD setup is a toy. That GUI you love is actually a liability at scale.